[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2008-04-16 Thread carlivar
This bug is now a year old but I was just bit by this.

Had a DHCP problem on my new Ubuntu install so like a good GUI-boy I
went to the Network config and made sure dhcp was configured for eth0.

Big mistake. That modified /etc/network/interfaces. I then spent an hour
figuring out how NetworkManager worked and why it wasn't doing the DHCP
client stuff for me. Finally commented out eth0 stuff in
/etc/network/interfaces.

Frankly, this is unacceptable. Ubuntu is supposed to be easy to use and
configure, yet my easy GUI config broke everything? Serious flaw.
Logging has got to be improved at the very least (i.e. suggestions
above).

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Re: [Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi,

Brian Murray [2007-04-16 22:31 -]:
 I believe you are missing 'auto ath0' and 'auto eth1' from your
 '/etc/network/interfaces' file.

Confirmed. n-m will ignore non-auto interfaces on purpose, since not
doing so would act against your manual configuration.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread Niran Babalola
All my interfaces are auto. I've attached my interfaces file.

** Attachment added: my interfaces file
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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread NabLa
Same here. I'll paste mine instead:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ cat interfaces
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.1
netmask 255.255.0.0

auto eth1
iface eth1 inet dhcp
wireless-essid MyWirelessAP

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Niran, you have a static configuration for eth0. Is this your primary
network interface? It should be ignored by network-manager, the other
interfaces should be managed by it.

NabLa, you *only* have statically configured interfaces, so it is
correct that network-manager ignores them all.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread Niran Babalola
The intention was that I'd be able to have a static IP address for my
wired connection, but be able to switch between my wired and my wireless
connections using NetworkManager. This worked perfectly until I updated
earlier today.

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Re: [Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread NabLa
OK, so all I need to do is to take out the essid line and NM will show the
interface.

Something that puzzles me is why shouldn't NM allow re-configuring an
interface configured statically, as it used to do. I sometimes log in for a
quick task using BlacBox instead of KDE, so the reason I had my essid in
place is to avoid configuring it by hand. Now I cannot do that, unless I
load any of the applets that access NM - loading all gnome or kde libraries
with it.

On 17/04/07, Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Niran, you have a static configuration for eth0. Is this your primary
 network interface? It should be ignored by network-manager, the other
 interfaces should be managed by it.

 NabLa, you *only* have statically configured interfaces, so it is
 correct that network-manager ignores them all.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Closing this one, since the last comments all indicate wanted behaviour
of n-m. Thank you!

** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu)
   Status: Needs Info = Rejected

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Re: [Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread Martin Pitt
NabLa [2007-04-17  9:17 -]:
 Something that puzzles me is why shouldn't NM allow re-configuring an
 interface configured statically, as it used to do. 

It did that only for a very short period of time, and clobbering
static configurations with dynamic changes caused a *lot* of grief.
You can easily switch back to roaming mode by just using a few clicks
in the GUI.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread NabLa
OK then! Thanks guys!

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-17 Thread n1ywb
Very well, this is a feature, not a bug.

I very strongly suggest that NetworkManager should be patched to produce
some useful output in this case, something to syslog to the effect of I
see some interfaced but I am ignoring them because auto isn't set would
have been extraordinarily useful.

I also strongly suggest that this behavior should be documented
somewhere, I would suggest the NetworkManager(1) and interfaces(5) man
pages as appropriate places.

I also submit that the KDE Network Settings control panel the checkbox
that controls the auto flag in the interfaces file is misleading. It's
currently labeled Activate when the computer starts. Clearly this
button does more than that. It should perhaps be re-labeled and It's
function should be documented.

Thank you for your time, everybody. Sorry to be such a squeaky wheel, I just 
want to see Ubuntu (and linux) succeed.
-Jeff

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-16 Thread n1ywb
After some recent updates, if /etc/network/interfaces even exists,
network-manager borks. Even if there are only two lines inside:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces.foo
iface ath0 inet dhcp
iface eth1 inet dhcp

If this file exists, nm-tool reports no interfaces and network-manager
doesn't work.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-16 Thread Brian Murray
I believe you are missing 'auto ath0' and 'auto eth1' from your
'/etc/network/interfaces' file.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-16 Thread Niran Babalola
I had a static wired interface and a dynamic wireless interface
configured and working fine until the latest update. The wireless
networks still work for me, but the static wired interface doesn't show
up in nm-tool or the nm-applet menu as Wired Network like it used to.
This makes me sad.

Moving the interfaces file out of the way makes NetworkManager see both
interfaces and gets an IP for the wired one, but I had DNS issues when I
tried to use it. Not sure if that's related. Putting the interfaces file
back and using the wireless network works fine.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread n1ywb
It's also worth mentioning that, after deleting /etc/network/interfaces,
the moment I statically configure an interface using knetworkmanager,
NetworkManager gets totally stupid. Even if it switches to a non-
statically configured interface, it leaves the static interface default
route in place which is very annoying. It doesn't seem to handle
interface switching very well at all when one interface is static.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff McClure
I'm seeing this problem as well. I have a single Ethernet interface that
is configured with a static IP address, and network-manager reports that
I have no network interfaces. I'm running Feisty (newly upgraded from
Egdy, which was in turn newly upgraded from Dapper).

Brian Murray said:
NetworkManager will not manage any interfaces that are configured in 
'/etc/network/interfaces' as yours is. If you leave only the 'auto' and 'iface' 
line you should be able to use knetworkmanager to statically configure your 
interface.

This confuses me. I assume configured...as yours is means that it has
a static IP set up in /etc/network/interfaces. That statement seems to
imply that the user has configured the file in a nonstandard way. Mine
is that way, but I didn't create that file. To make sure, I actually
moved /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted. I then used the
System-Administration-Network menu item to set up the interface again.
Guess what it did? It recreated /etc/network/interfaces with a static IP
address, and now network-manager once again can't find the interface. By
the way, I'm running Gnome, not KDE, so I don't have knetworkmanager.

It's pretty clear I'm using the Ubuntu-intended applet for configuring
the interface, but according to Brian Murray's info, that applet
configures the interface in such a way that makes network-manager
unhappy.

It doesn't really bother me too much that network-manager can't find the
interface. Best I can tell, my setup doesn't even need network-manager
(everything is static in my setup). However, a less savvy user is going
to be disturbed by an icon on the desktop that says No network
connection.

This bug is marked info needed. Is there something more that I can
provide?

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread NabLa
By the way, I'm running Gnome, not KDE, so I don't have knetworkmanager.
I'd say this is a network-manager rather than an applet problem since nm-tool 
cannot report any working interfaces.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread NabLa
This route thing is quite surprising, does that mean you lose
connectivity if the static interface connection is no longer available?

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread Brian Murray
It doesn't make network-manager unhappy rather it makes network-
manager ignore the interface and not configure it.  There is a new patch
for network-manager that makes it now say Manual connection instead of
No network connection.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff McClure
I'd say this is a network-manager rather than an applet problem since
nm-tool cannot report any working interfaces.

Well, I guess it depends. The earlier comment seems to imply that the
problem is not with network-manager, but with the contents of
/etc/network/interfaces. It says that removing that file then using
knetworkmanager to set up the interface again will fix the problem
(presumably by putting something different in /etc/network/interfaces
and handling the static config some other way).

I don't have knetworkmanager. My point is that for me it's the Gnome
applet, not me, that's setting up /etc/network/interfaces. I don't know
how the Ubuntu designers intended this all to work. It could go either
way. If the root of the error is indeed what we've been discussing (that
network-manager can't handle a static entry in /etc/network/interfaces),
then either network-manager needs to be fixed so that it _can_ handle
that, or the Ubuntu-standard configuration tools need to set up the
system in a way that network-manager can handle.

*shrug* I don't know which it is. I just wanted to chime in, because it
was beginning to look like the bug was going to get set aside with the
assumption that it only happens when somebody hand-edits
/etc/network/interfaces. That's not the case.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread Jeff McClure
Thanks, Brian. I didn't see your entry before I posted the last one.
Sounds like my issue is taken care of.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread NabLa
I've revised the config of several other K/Ubuntu machines of people
around and they all have /etc/network/interfaces populated with relevant
stuff, and they are all default installations of Dapper or Edgy.

As n1ywb, this is going to bite quite a lot of people.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread Brian Murray
Could you elaborate as to what in particular is going to bite a lot of
people?

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread n1ywb
The affected group is the intersection of users who use NetworkManager,
and those who want to configure a static interface. Everybody with a
laptop uses NetworkManager. The number of people who set up a static
interface is admittedly smaller, but not insignificant IMO.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-13 Thread n1ywb
I'm not sure about Jeff's situation, but in my case the nm-tool output I
posted indicates that network-manager isn't just ignoring the static
interface but it is also ignoring the non-static interface. I suspect
that it's not ignoring anything but rather that it's barfing. I haven't
stepped the code in gdb but

print_devices(): didn't get a reply from NetworkManager.

doesn't look good to me.

None of this changes the fact that on my machine NetworkManager silently
stopped working for no clear reason. Applications should not silently
fail. Some debugging messages in the syslog would be EXTREMELY helpful.

Brian Murray said 3 hours ago: (permalink)

It doesn't make network-manager unhappy rather it makes network-
manager ignore the interface and not configure it. There is a new patch
for network-manager that makes it now say Manual connection instead of
No network connection.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-12 Thread NabLa
I have renamed /etc/network/interfaces and restarted networkmanager and
dispatcher and now nm-tool reports correctly my network devices.

Even when this seems to be fixed it is very strange that I always had my
interfaces configured statically and NM stopped to see them suddenly on
monday after an update. Why doesn't NM tolerate the interfaces
configuration anymore?

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-12 Thread n1ywb
NabLa: Ditto that, when I remove /etc/network/interfaces and restart
NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher, it suddenly works and nm-
tool correctly reports my interfaces. This isn't good behavior. There
was nothing weird in my /etc/network/interfaces file beforehand and this
bug is probably going to bite a lot of people.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-11 Thread NabLa
Hum, I reported just now the same on another bug... I will copy and
paste, since this bug seems newer than that one.

Having the same problem as Brian. Pretty much the same config as Brian
as well - except that I already had all my network cards in
/etc/interfaces. But it worked just fine until yesterday.

This is a copy  paste from bug #77557:
Yesterday's update (2007-04-11) borked the whole thing again. KNetworkManager 
says that it couldn't find any network devices (even when they are present and 
working - I am just connected through wireless). Please see screenshot (in 
spanish, sorry).

I don't know whether it is related or not, but when I start KNetworkManager 
from the command line, I get the following message:
** Message: another gnome-keyring-daemon is running

If I check processes, I get this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps aux|grep -i gnome-keyring
luis 8753 0.0 0.0 2752 988 ? S 09:00 0:00 gnome-keyring-daemon
luis 24549 0.0 0.0 2756 1016 pts/1 S 13:12 0:00 gnome-keyring-daemon

If I kill one of the processes, it doesn't complain anymore, but it
still won't show any network devices. It will create a new gnome-keyring
process so we have two processes again. If I kill both processes and
start KNetworkManager, it won't complain either, create a new gnome-
keyring process and again no network devices.

** Attachment added: NoNetworkDevices.png
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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-11 Thread NabLa
Sorry, when I said Brian I meant n1ywb

nm-tool output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ nm-tool

NetworkManager Tool

State: connected

print_devices(): didn't get a reply from NetworkManager.
There are no available network devices.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-06 Thread Brian Murray
NetworkManager will not manage any interfaces that are configured in
'/etc/network/interfaces' as yours is.  If you leave only the 'auto' and
'iface' line you should be able to use knetworkmanager to statically
configure your interface.

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[Bug 103532] Re: NetworkManager can't find any interfaces

2007-04-06 Thread n1ywb
Which interface are you referring to? NetworkManager cannot see either
eth1 or ath0 as per the nm-tool output. I statically configured eth1
AFTER knetworkmanager stopped seeing it, not before, so that cannot be
the cause of the issue. ath0 is not statically configured at all and
already only has an iface line. So which lines specifically are you
saying I should delete? I removed the static config lines and that did
not help.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ cat interfaces
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

# The primary network interface
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

iface ath0 inet dhcp

iface eth1 inet dhcp

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager 
restart
 * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager 
  [ OK ]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ sudo 
/etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher restart
 * Restarting network events dispatcher NetworkManagerDispatcher
  [ OK ]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network$ nm-tool

NetworkManager Tool

State: disconnected

print_devices(): didn't get a reply from NetworkManager.
There are no available network devices.

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