[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2016-06-07 Thread Chris Bainbridge
> Physical Address Extensions (PAE) 32-bit is available.

If the pae flag is not present in /proc/cpuinfo then PAE is not enabled
on your particular CPU, even if it is available for other CPUs in the
same family. The CPU indicates PAE support (or not) in the result of the
CPUID instruction, which is hardcoded in the processor microcode.

> Are there any adverse effects known about the boot parameter
"forcepae"?

I have not seen any reports of adverse effects, but given the small
number of users and non-extensive testing it is possible.

> If that is so, then the PAE flag can be set / forced without problems.

afaik those errata would not be a problem as Linux does not use PAT on
Pentium M, and the TLB is cleared on init. But there may be other issues
or internal errata that Intel hasn't published. Nobody knows why Intel
disabled PAE for these processors. As the docs say:

forcepae [X86-32]
Forcefully enable Physical Address Extension (PAE).
Many Pentium M systems disable PAE but may have a
functionally usable PAE implementation.
Warning: use of this parameter will taint the kernel
and may cause unknown problems.

The CPU is run out-of-spec so there are no guarantees. If this is not
acceptable then the next easiest workaround is to compile your own
kernel with PAE disabled (CONFIG_X86_PAE=n).

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2016-06-06 Thread martinr
I also ran into this problem with Xubuntu 16.04 LTS.
I'm running an Intel Pentium M 735, Dothan, (2MB L2 Cache, 1.70 GHz, 400 MHz 
FSB) (CPUID: 6.D.6 (hex) or 06D6h or 6.13.6 (dec)).

When I lookup the specification on the Intel site, then it says:
Physical Address Extensions (PAE) 32-bit is available.
(source: 
http://ark.intel.com/products/27588/Intel-Pentium-M-Processor-735-2M-Cache-1_70A-GHz-400-MHz-FSB#@specifications
 )

Are there any adverse effects known about the boot parameter "forcepae"?

What I need to know is if the compiled stock kernel / compiler implemented 
work-arounds for the W25 and W40 errata* to the Dothan (stepping B1) family of 
processors.
If that is so, then the PAE flag can be set / forced without problems.

* Intel Celeron M Specification Update errata
W25: Upper Four PAT Entries Not Usable with Mode B or Mode C Paging

W40: INIT Does Not Clear Global Entries in the TLB
Problem: INIT may not flush a TLB entry when:
1. The processor is in protected mode with paging enabled and the page global
enable flag is set (PGEbit of CR4 register)
2. G bit for the page table entry is set
3. TLB entry is present in TLB when INIT occurs
Implication: Software may encounter unexpected page fault or incorrect address
translation due to a TLB entry erroneously left in TLB after INIT.
Workaround: Write to CR3, CR4 (settingbits PSE, PGE or PAE) or CR0 (setting 
bits PG or PE)
registers before writing to memory early in BIOS code to clear all the global 
entries
from TLB.
(source: 
http://download.intel.com/support/processors/mobile/celeron/sb/30030336.pdf )

See also:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2326769=13499191#post13499191

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2015-11-27 Thread Daniel Risacher
FWIW - the rebooting part of comment #8 is essential.

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Re: [Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-10-06 Thread Chris Bainbridge
Amjjawad, Your screenshot shows you used --forcepae. It should be --
forcepae (note the space).

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-10-05 Thread amjjawad
Hi,

Following with: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-
quality/2014-October/005515.html

I have tried to follow the advice in comment #8 but this is what I get.

I am trying to boot from Lubuntu 14.04 LiveUSB

Note that: before reading this bug report and come across comment #8 ..
I was using:

quiet splash forcepae

without --

and everything was fine but my problem started after upgrading 14.04 to
14.04.1

Now, with --, I am stuck with the attached message :(

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-05-17 Thread Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca
Ubuntu, just add forcepae for if used in install

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-18 Thread sudodus
Yes, it would be nice for the user to not have to bother with forcepae
to run computers with Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs.

But I think this is a great improvement. Forcepae (used according to
Colin Watson's advice in post #8) makes it much easier to use Ubuntu
flavours in version 14.04 LTS compared to the previous releases. This
advice is made clear in the following link

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-17 Thread Jii
Comment to #11 : Actually the system works with or without the forcepae at boot 
arguments. When option is removed from /etc/grup/default (and grub updated), 
everything still works, but /proc/cpuinfo just does not show the pae over there.

System bootet without forcepae option:
foo@t42:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 13
model name  : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz
stepping: 6
microcode   : 0x18
cpu MHz : 1700.000
cache size  : 2048 KB
physical id : 0
siblings: 1
core id : 0
cpu cores   : 1
apicid  : 0
initial apicid  : 0
fdiv_bug: no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov 
clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe bts est tm2
bogomips: 3397.00
clflush size: 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:
 
foo@t42:~$ uname -a
Linux t42 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:08:14 UTC 2014 
i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-17 Thread Daniel Letzeisen
I'm not sure if a software fix is appropriate here. Should the ubiquity
installer do a special check to see if it's been s tarted with forcepae
and copy that option to the install regardless of what side of the '--'
the user put it on?

If not, then this really isn't a bug per se, as better documentation by
those suggesting the forcepae option would be the appropriate fix.

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-17 Thread Chris Bainbridge
Jii wrote:
 No, I was not booting with forcepae option. After installer, the system was 
 fully operational so I didn't know there was need to add it.

How did you boot the installer? Normally syslinux will boot the kernel
in 16-bit mode and you would get the forcepae error message.

Andy Whitcroft wrote:
 If the kernel is booted, then forcepae must have been supplied

This is not always true. A PAE kernel will boot on a PAE capable Pentium
M without forcepae if the boot loader skips the 16-bit entry code of the
Linux kernel. This is the case with a default install of grub on Ubuntu
- which is why many Pentium M users who had installed Ubuntu before the
switch to PAE-only didn't have any problems when they got upgraded (but
later ran into problems when the check for pae in /proc/cpuinfo was
added to the linux-image preinst). You can force grub to boot the kernel
in 16-bit mode by using the linux16 and initrd16 commands instead of
plain linux and initrd; using the 16-bit boot path seems to be
preferred by upstream since then the kernel CPU checks get run, but it
is probably too late for Ubuntu to switch.

Daniel Letzeisen wrote:
 Should the ubiquity installer do a special check to see if it's been s tarted 
 with forcepae

Could do, the check is not hard (running pae kernel and (forcepae or no
pae in cpuinfo flags).

It would be nice for the user to not have to bother with forcepae; I
would have preferred to enable it automatically rather than having the
kernel parameter, but the x86 maintainers thought that a user should
have to consent to operating their CPU out of spec. If Ubuntu were happy
with assuming consent, then you could just add it to the default pae-
kernel boot parameters and make the whole thing invisible to the user.

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-16 Thread sudodus
This is new and positive information :-)

I did not know the function of -- and I think many people need to be
informed about it.

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-16 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
so, the post-inst on the kernel checks to see that cpu does not have PAE and 
then bails the upgrade.
However, it could check that even though cpu has no PAE support yet the 
currently running kernel does have PAE config option enabled and continue with 
the upgrade.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Andy Whitcroft (apw)

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-16 Thread Andy Whitcroft
If the kernel is booted, then forcepae must have been supplied, and if
it is supplied then PAE should be flagged in cpuinfo.  It looks like
this is only about copying forcepae across.  See comment #8 for that.

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-16 Thread sudodus
I can confirm that Colin Watson's advice in post #8 works.

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-16 Thread Colin Watson
Just put the forcepae option after the -- entry on the installer
command line and it will be copied to the target system.  The -- entry
defines the boundary between options which are specific to the installer
and ones that are copied to the target system.

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-15 Thread sudodus
I was testing the Lubuntu Trusty desktop i386 final iso file and had the
message 'This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU' when I tried to
install the low latency kernel.

Please make the installer (or some other program part) add forcepae

into /etc/default/grub and from there into /boot/grub/grub.cfg

so that it will be possible to install and upgrade kernels.

The *big* problem will arrive, when new kernel versions arrive, and the
system wants to upgrade to them. And we can expect quite a lot of new
users who come to Lubuntu and Xubuntu after the end of life of Windows
XP. Let us save trouble for these new users by adding forcepae
automatically to the installed system :-)

-o-

Just to confirm my suggested solution, I added forcepae to

/etc/default/grub

and ran

sudo update-grub

After reboot it was possible to install the new kernel (in this somewhat
synthetic case the low-latency kernel), and the computer can run with it
(both kernels work).

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-15 Thread Ubuntu QA Website
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker.

A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1307105

** Tags added: iso-testing

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-14 Thread Jii
No, I was not booting with forcepae option. After installer, the system
was fully operational so I didn't know there was need to add it. Notes
in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE didn't either suggest
such, maybe instructions should be added there to help other people.

Now after adding the forcepae to /etc/default/grub, further kernel
upgrades were properly installed.

Thank you very much !

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-14 Thread Daniel Letzeisen
** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Low

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Triaged

** Description changed:

- On Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M processor linux image upgrade fails with
- message This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU.. System was
- installed from  ubuntu-14.04-beta2-desktop-i386.iso with forcepae
- kernel option. After install, system works, but cannot be upgraded to
- laters kernel.
+ [TRIAGE NOTE]
+ When a user boots Ubuntu Live/Install media with 'forcepae' option, the 
option should automatically be added to /etc/default/grub, or kernel upgrades 
will refuse to install when they do not see pae capability in cpuinfo/
  
+ [ORIGINAL REPORT]
+ On Thinkpad T42 with Pentium M processor linux image upgrade fails with 
message This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU.. System was installed 
from  ubuntu-14.04-beta2-desktop-i386.iso with forcepae kernel option. After 
install, system works, but cannot be upgraded to laters kernel.
  
- root@t42:/boot# apt-get upgrade
- Reading package lists... Done
- Building dependency tree  
- Reading state information... Done
- You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
- The following packages have unmet dependencies:
-  linux-image-extra-3.13.0-24-generic : Depends: 
linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic but it is not installed
-  linux-image-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic but it is 
not installed
- E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
-  
- root@t42:/boot# apt-get install -f
- Reading package lists... Done
- Building dependency tree  
- Reading state information... Done
- Correcting dependencies... Done
- The following extra packages will be installed:
-   linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic
- Suggested packages:
-   fdutils linux-doc-3.13.0 linux-source-3.13.0 linux-tools
- The following NEW packages will be installed:
-   linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic
- 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
- 3 not fully installed or removed.
- Need to get 0 B/14.6 MB of archives.
- After this operation, 32.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
- Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
- (Reading database ... 196089 files and directories currently installed.)
- Preparing to unpack 
.../linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.46_i386.deb ...
- This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU.
- dpkg: error processing archive 
/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.46_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
-  subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
- Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
- run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 
3.13.0-24-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-24-generic
- run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 
3.13.0-24-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-24-generic
- Errors were encountered while processing:
-  
/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.46_i386.deb
- E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
+ root@t42:/boot# apt-get upgrade
+ Reading package lists... Done
+ Building dependency tree
+ Reading state information... Done
+ You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
+ The following packages have unmet dependencies:
+  linux-image-extra-3.13.0-24-generic : Depends: 
linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic but it is not installed
+  linux-image-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic but it is 
not installed
+ E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
+ 
+ root@t42:/boot# apt-get install -f
+ Reading package lists... Done
+ Building dependency tree
+ Reading state information... Done
+ Correcting dependencies... Done
+ The following extra packages will be installed:
+   linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic
+ Suggested packages:
+   fdutils linux-doc-3.13.0 linux-source-3.13.0 linux-tools
+ The following NEW packages will be installed:
+   linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic
+ 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+ 3 not fully installed or removed.
+ Need to get 0 B/14.6 MB of archives.
+ After this operation, 32.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
+ Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
+ (Reading database ... 196089 files and directories currently installed.)
+ Preparing to unpack 
.../linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.46_i386.deb ...
+ This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU.
+ dpkg: error processing archive 
/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic_3.13.0-24.46_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
+  subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
+ Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
+ run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 
3.13.0-24-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-24-generic
+ run-parts: executing 

[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-13 Thread Jii
Fixed target package.

** Package changed: xserver-xorg-video-savage (Ubuntu) = linux-meta
(Ubuntu)

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-13 Thread Brad Figg
** Package changed: linux-meta (Ubuntu) = linux (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-13 Thread Jii
The apport-collect is not installed and apt-get refuses to install it
until the unmet depedencies problem is first resolved (linux-image-
generic).

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Confirmed

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[Bug 1307105] Re: Kernel install fails due PAE checks

2014-04-13 Thread Daniel Letzeisen
Are you still booting with the forcepae option? If not, you'll need to
add it.

gksu gedit /etc/default/grub

Make GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line look like:
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet splash forcepae

Save. Quit. Run:
sudo update-grub

Reboot and try the update again.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Incomplete

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