[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
mplayerplug-in (3.50-1ubuntu2) hardy; urgency=low * Added support for Firefox 3 xulrunner plugin architecture by linking plugins to /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins. (LP: #193812) - updated debian/mozilla-mplayer.links -- Jared Greenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:49:19 -0400 ** Changed in: mplayerplug-in (Ubuntu) Assignee: Nicolas Valcárcel (nxvl) (nvalcarcel) = (unassigned) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
May I add that you guys don't forget konqueror-kde4 in the depends? -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Swiftweasel comes in several flavors (e.g. swiftweasel-prescott), but I think we could persuade the author to supply a provides. And don't forget swiftfox - which comes in several flavours and provides www-browser. Package: swiftfox-prescott Version: 3.0pre-2 Section: web Priority: optional Architecture: all Depends: libc6, libcairo2, libglib2.0-0 (= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.1), libpango1.0-0 (= 1.10.0), libpng12-0 (= 1.2.8rel), libx11-6, libxft2 ( 2.1.1), libxinerama1, libxp6, libxt6, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) Replaces: swiftfox Provides: www-browser Installed-size: 23757 Maintainer: Jason Halme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla Swiftfox is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, similar to Galeon, K-Meleon and Camino, but written using the XUL user interface language and designed to be lightweight and cross-platform. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jojo4u wrote: | Swiftweasel comes in several flavors (e.g. swiftweasel-prescott), but I think we could persuade the author to supply a provides. | And don't forget swiftfox - which comes in several flavours and provides www-browser. | | Package: swiftfox-prescott | Version: 3.0pre-2 | Section: web | Priority: optional | Architecture: all | Depends: libc6, libcairo2, libglib2.0-0 (= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.1), libpango1.0-0 (= 1.10.0), libpng12-0 (= 1.2.8rel), libx11-6, libxft2 ( 2.1.1), libxinerama1, libxp6, libxt6, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.1) | Replaces: swiftfox | Provides: www-browser | Installed-size: 23757 | Maintainer: Jason Halme [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Description: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla | Swiftfox is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, similar to | Galeon, K-Meleon and Camino, but written using the XUL user interface | language and designed to be lightweight and cross-platform. | Im more concerned about deps that we already maintain. I dont see XULrunner as a dep on that list. What version of XUl will swiftfox handle? Why would we add konq to deps? konq isnt a gecko browser so it wont run on it anyway. - -- Sincerely Yours, ~John Vivirito https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito Linux User# 414246 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFILbLNqig4QTwcPCoRAiJKAJ9ZW3LGIkBYIE8SN1P8a1Ag2eCoVwCeIAEl OZi1gnZf/HPkIbmCxzus8ao= =PdAj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Saša Bodiroža wrote: | On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:12 PM, John Vivirito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I dont see any reason why mplayer(standalone app) should depend on | xulrunner nor browsers since it doesnt need them i think we should | downgrade all browser deps and xulrunner depsto recommends | | mplayer doesn't depend on any browser, or browser-related library. | | As for the mozilla-mplayer, we could either move browser-related | Depends to Recommends, or include all browser in one OR Depends. The | latter might be a bit wrong in one extreme case: | - new browser package, named browser-package, gets into Ubuntu archives | - user wants to use only browser-package, which is compatible with | mozilla-mplayer | - unfortunately, browser-package still isn't added to that OR browser | Depends, so user is forced to install some other browser, too | | It is a very rare situation, but it can happen :). | The more i think about this the more i am against adding browsers to the deps, only because if they are using non-gecko browser they will have to install one.(yes i know thats the point as mozilla-mplyer wont work on konq, ect...) since most people using Ubuntu or Xubuntu has a gecko browser installed already this sould not be a dep. Please move them to recommends as this will cause too much cruft to be installed if they are using a minimal system without Ubuntu-desktop but with Gnome-* package. When you say brower-package you mean a empty package that depends on a browser? (empty == meta package) just sued to get deps. - -- Sincerely Yours, ~John Vivirito https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito Linux User# 414246 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFILKDcqig4QTwcPCoRAgqWAJoDnD2S2gUH3QMF6K95sud1LHnwaQCdEzKQ JaT2o9K5tmGWiMg0e62EVF8= =nZLq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM, John Vivirito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more i think about this the more i am against adding browsers to the deps, only because if they are using non-gecko browser they will have to install one.(yes i know thats the point as mozilla-mplyer wont work on konq, ect...) since most people using Ubuntu or Xubuntu has a gecko browser installed already this sould not be a dep. Please move them to recommends as this will cause too much cruft to be installed if they are using a minimal system without Ubuntu-desktop but with Gnome-* package. I think it's reasonable to add all supported browsers as mozilla-mplayer dependency. If the user doesn't have supported browser installed, what's the point of mozilla-mplayer on his system? When you say brower-package you mean a empty package that depends on a browser? (empty == meta package) just sued to get deps. I'm thinking on any browser that can make use of mozilla-mplayer. But, as I said before, that situation is very rare. There are not that many browsers out there, which would be added, so the previous example is not that important. -- Best regards, Saša Bodiroža -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Hi Saša, On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 09:14:58PM -, Saša Bodiroža wrote: I'm thinking on any browser that can make use of mozilla-mplayer. But, as I said before, that situation is very rare. There are not that many browsers out there, which would be added, so the previous example is not that important. You keep saying this, but it's already happened *twice*. Once with xulrunner, and again now. Why can't we just make it Recommends so we don't have to revisit it again? Thanks, Forest -- Forest Bond http://www.alittletooquiet.net http://www.pytagsfs.org -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Forest Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You keep saying this, but it's already happened *twice*. Once with xulrunner, and again now. Why can't we just make it Recommends so we don't have to revisit it again? That brings another problem. If the user decides to remove all browsers that support mozilla-mplayer from his system, the mozilla-mplayer package will stay installed, while it should be removed. -- Best regards, Saša Bodiroža -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I use swiftweasel and in order to keep firefox from my disk, I have to modify the dependencies. Please do not depend on any browser if this is possible. Or depend on some virtual packet. Package: swiftweasel-prescott Essential: no Priority: optional Section: web Maintainer: stickk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 2.0.0.14 Replaces: swiftweasel-athlontbird, swiftweasel, swiftweasel-athlon64, swiftweasel-athlonxp, swiftweasel-k6, swiftweasel-k8, swiftweasel-nocona, swiftweasel-pentium2, swiftweasel-pentium3, swiftweasel-pentium3m, swiftweasel-pentium4, swiftweasel-pentium4m, swiftweasel-pentiumm, swiftweasel-athlon64-pango, swiftweasel-athlonxp-pango, swiftweasel-k6-pango, swiftweasel-k8-pango, swiftweasel-nocona-pango, swiftweasel-pentium2-pango, swiftweasel-pentium3-pango, swiftweasel-pentium3m-pango, swiftweasel-pentium4-pango, swiftweasel-pentium4m-pango, swiftweasel-pentiumm-pango, swiftweasel-prescott-pango Depends: ttf-dejavu Filename: pool/i386gutsy/swiftweasel-2.0.0.14_prescott_ubuntu-i386.deb Size: 10007434 MD5sum: 899d727034a0e2373dfbd19492bf7b0c SHA1: 215ba988a7d28b89ef6f087606efa28df95bfa6d SHA256: bec53e033e26188475366ffa86d4fb7bdae902588335955884279d61fc029b37 Description: Swiftweasel is a optimized build of the Mozilla Firefox code for Linux. It is built for different microprocessor architectures and incorporates additional instruction sets. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I dont see any reason why mplayer(standalone app) should depend on xulrunner nor browsers since it doesnt need them i think we should downgrade all browser deps and xulrunner depsto recommends -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
i think we might consider to move the browser depends to recommends instead. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:12 PM, John Vivirito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont see any reason why mplayer(standalone app) should depend on xulrunner nor browsers since it doesnt need them i think we should downgrade all browser deps and xulrunner depsto recommends mplayer doesn't depend on any browser, or browser-related library. As for the mozilla-mplayer, we could either move browser-related Depends to Recommends, or include all browser in one OR Depends. The latter might be a bit wrong in one extreme case: - new browser package, named browser-package, gets into Ubuntu archives - user wants to use only browser-package, which is compatible with mozilla-mplayer - unfortunately, browser-package still isn't added to that OR browser Depends, so user is forced to install some other browser, too It is a very rare situation, but it can happen :). -- Best regards, Saša Bodiroža -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Does this bug can be been resolved by Bug #193812? -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
** Changed in: mplayerplug-in (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Nicolas Valcárcel (nxvl) Status: Incomplete = In Progress -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I don't think they have xulrunner-1.9 in debian, so lets wait for this and see what we get. Just in case, asac told me that they are planning to use /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ for xulrunner(-1.9) plugins. Its not yet fixed, so we may have to wait for that as well. Merge is uploaded (with rearranged changelog, please next time sort changes by affected files; I also had to change distribution from gutsy to hardy). Thanks for your contribution! -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Thanks, i will consider that for the changelog next time :D -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Forest, can you provide us with a xulrunner app where we can test it? -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
He also say it work fine without copying to any links for xulrunner or xulrunner-1.9, so i will test it with some help of Forest -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I have talk to Ari Pollak, the Debian Maintainer, and he told me he will add those features in the next upstream release, which will be any day from now on, do we wait for it or make that patch anyway? -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Ok, so as Ari Pollak said he will patch this bug on the next release, which will be released any day from now on, i decided to wait, and only do the merge. ** Attachment added: mplayerplug-in_3.45-1ubuntu1.debdiff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10263716/mplayerplug-in_3.45-1ubuntu1.debdiff ** Changed in: mplayerplug-in (Ubuntu) Assignee: Nicolas Valcárcel (nxvl) = (unassigned) -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I have talk to asac and fujitsu and both have answer they have no fixings for this new version, so this is the only one to do with the merge. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Then prepare a new merge with the agreed changes. Take into consideration that you should add appropriate links for the plugin dirs of xulrunner and xulrunner-1.9. Please subscribe u-u-s when ready for upload. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Nicolas, can you coordinate this with asac and/or fujitsu? There could be also additional bugs they may want to fix with this update. Thanks. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
What would you like me to do to prove that mozilla-mplayer works with xulrunner? I'm sorry, but I don't have time to test gnome-mplayer or gecko- mediaplayer. -Forest -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I have talk to upstream developer, and he answer to me and norsetto, we are now sure it work, thanks anyway. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Personally, I don't think that www browsers should be made recommendations and not dependencies. Let me quote the debian policy: The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality. While: The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Now, I hope you agree that to provide a significant amount of functionality for this plugin a www browser is needed? Whether it makes sense or not to add xulrunner to the list of dependancies (or-ed!) its a matter of testing it. For instance, I have not added it to gecko-mediaplayer yet (from the same upstream author) simply because I don't have any evidence that it will work. Just the fact that it makes sense that it works is not enough (for instance gecko-mediaplayer should work with Opera and Konqueror, but it doesn't). Can you perhaps test it and confirm if the mozilla-mplayer works with xul based applications (via xulrunner)? ** Changed in: mplayerplug-in (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Nicolas Valcárcel (nxvl) Status: Confirmed = Incomplete -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Hi, On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 11:47:24AM -, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: Personally, I don't think that www browsers should be made recommendations and not dependencies. Let me quote the debian policy: The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality. While: The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Now, I hope you agree that to provide a significant amount of functionality for this plugin a www browser is needed? Whether it makes sense or not to add xulrunner to the list of dependancies (or-ed!) its a matter of testing it. For instance, I have not added it to gecko-mediaplayer yet (from the same upstream author) simply because I don't have any evidence that it will work. Just the fact that it makes sense that it works is not enough (for instance gecko-mediaplayer should work with Opera and Konqueror, but it doesn't). Can you perhaps test it and confirm if the mozilla-mplayer works with xul based applications (via xulrunner)? I've tested it. It works. Why should plugin-browser combinations have to be tested by package maintainers? That just doesn't seem very fair to users that want to use a less popular browser. They'll end up waiting a release or two before the dependencies will be in their favor. I guess it'd be nice if it could Depend: gecko-browser ... -Forest -- Forest Bond http://www.alittletooquiet.net -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
So it can be added as Dependency with another |, so it's or a gecko browser or xulrunner On 10/29/07, Forest Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 11:47:24AM -, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: Personally, I don't think that www browsers should be made recommendations and not dependencies. Let me quote the debian policy: The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a significant amount of functionality. While: The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Now, I hope you agree that to provide a significant amount of functionality for this plugin a www browser is needed? Whether it makes sense or not to add xulrunner to the list of dependancies (or-ed!) its a matter of testing it. For instance, I have not added it to gecko-mediaplayer yet (from the same upstream author) simply because I don't have any evidence that it will work. Just the fact that it makes sense that it works is not enough (for instance gecko-mediaplayer should work with Opera and Konqueror, but it doesn't). Can you perhaps test it and confirm if the mozilla-mplayer works with xul based applications (via xulrunner)? I've tested it. It works. Why should plugin-browser combinations have to be tested by package maintainers? That just doesn't seem very fair to users that want to use a less popular browser. They'll end up waiting a release or two before the dependencies will be in their favor. I guess it'd be nice if it could Depend: gecko-browser ... -Forest -- Forest Bond http://www.alittletooquiet.net -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- aka nxvl Yo uso Software Libre, y tu? -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I still would like to see some evidence. If you can't do it yourself, you can also ask upstream, he is usually very responsive. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Hi, On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 03:33:12PM -, Cesare Tirabassi wrote: I still would like to see some evidence. If you can't do it yourself, you can also ask upstream, he is usually very responsive. Evidence of xulrunner/mozilla-mplayer compatibility? As I said, I have a working application that does utilize the mplayer plugin. Were you looking for further support of this claim? -Forest -- Forest Bond http://www.alittletooquiet.net -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Yes, that would be good. It would also be cool if you could check with gnome-mplayer and gecko-mediaplayer, but the latter is not yet available in gutsy (actually, its not yet available in hardy too, but its just a matter of days). I would really appreciate it. -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
I think it should be downgraded to recommendation, because installing both it's an absurd, working on it. ** Changed in: mplayerplug-in (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Nicolas Valcárcel (nxvl) -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
Merged from debian (version 3.45-1), downgraded to recommend and added xulrunner to recommend. ** Attachment added: mplayerplug-in_3.45-1ubuntu1.debdiff http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10202518/mplayerplug-in_3.45-1ubuntu1.debdiff ** Changed in: mplayerplug-in (Ubuntu) Assignee: Nicolas Valcárcel (nxvl) = (unassigned) -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
** Changed in: mplayerplug-in (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low Status: New = Confirmed -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137993] Re: mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers
** Tags added: packaging -- mozilla-mplayer unnecessarily depends on gecko browsers https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137993 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
