[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
So are we getting any closer to deciding an action to solve this problem?... What daniel wrote on 2009-06-22 seems like a very good compromise. But, it's more of a workaround than a solution. If theme writers don't employ the thick bottom border, then users still have to muck with it themselves. An accessibility option sounds like a very good idea. Where if the user moves the mouse cursor +/- 0.15% of the border, the cursor would either snap to border or be virtual border allowing the user to click and then snap to border. 0.15% Because: * 1024x768 -- +/- 2 1 pixels * 1280x1024 -- +/- 2 2 pixels * 1680x1050 -- +/- 3 2 pixels Right now I have my borders sized to 5 pixel thickness on a 1680x1050 resolution. This is a good size IMO to easily grab the border when you need to, and it doesn't look too thick. This allows a decent (but small enough to not be intrusive) desktop real estate area to be used for border catching. As resolution sizes increase, the number of pixels will also increase, scaling properly with the ever increasing resolution sizes. Of course, this option in accessibility options should be enabled by default, but anyone who finds it annoying can disable it if they like. The reason it should be enabled by default is for the obvious reason that normal users won't know to go there to enable it. This is a helpful default behaviour to make window management easier. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
NOTE: We must ensure the calculation of 0.15% is of the xrandr output, NOT the Virtual desktop size! -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I'm YEARS late this time. Windows has the ability, but I never had to use it. I recommend window border adjustment feature, pls. I liked this one by bTroy James Sobotka/b on 2007-11-14: iIt is relatively painless to change the dimensions of the surrounding border for themes... To change border widths, bsimply/b open up the theme's Metacity XML file. For example, Human's theme is located in /usr/share/themes/Human/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml The stanza in question should be apparent: distance name=left_width value=5/ distance name=right_width value=5/ distance name=bottom_height value=5/ Try mucking with the values until you get something you are happy with. Unfortuanately, resolution dependency still plagues much of Gnome./i Mucking. Plagued. Gnome. Nice. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I've got to admit I do find the resizing of windows using the default theme a tad annoying, even more so when multiple windows are over lapped and when using the window autofocus setting. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I agree this is a problem, especially with a laptop mousepad, I'm going to try to find as a theme with thicker left, right and bottom edges in the meantime :-( -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Milestone: None = round-4 -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
By the way, one decent workaround is to select a theme which has a thick lower border, like the dust ones. That way you can use the lower corner to resize the sides as well. Attached is a screenshot of the Appearance Preferences window with a modified dust theme I use. ** Attachment added: thicker lower border http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28211838/Screenshot-Appearance%20Preferences.png -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
PLease check the following bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388160 It's quite possible that most of the troubles with resizing are in fact a manifestation of this bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Maybe it contributes to some percieved issues, but the main issue for me is that I have high resolution monitor combined with a high DPI mouse, while trying to grab a 1 pixel wide border. My setup is for gaming (in Windows), but I like linux too. -Original Message- Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009 5:50:54 pm To: jason.alden.ben...@gmail.com From: daniel bocard...@gmail.com Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) PLease check the following bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/388160 It's quite possible that most of the troubles with resizing are in fact a manifestation of this bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Would it be possible to have a different border size depending on the display's DPI? That would help in this issue without using too much space on smaller screens. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
The ideal solution would indeed need to do this. I get this bug in Compiz, but I feel it can affect anybody. Maybe the cursor can stick/jump to the border after x seconds? Possibly with added special accessability benefit? -Original Message- Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:00:34 pm To: jason.alden.ben...@gmail.com From: daniel bocard...@gmail.com Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) Would it be possible to have a different border size depending on the display's DPI? That would help in this issue without using too much space on smaller screens. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
That is an excellent idea, I think I have seen something just like that once (can't remember where though). To enhance the usability of the resizing border it would just need to stick to the border for a couple pixels worth of movement, say 3~5. That would allow one to stop at the border easily without becoming too bothersome during normal use. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Either 3 pixels farther out, or 5 across, whichever style lends to better habits. This should be tested in my opinion to minimize possible side effects. I would be happy to test if needed. -Original Message- Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:45:26 pm To: jason.alden.ben...@gmail.com From: daniel bocard...@gmail.com Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) That is an excellent idea, I think I have seen something just like that once (can't remember where though). To enhance the usability of the resizing border it would just need to stick to the border for a couple pixels worth of movement, say 3~5. That would allow one to stop at the border easily without becoming too bothersome during normal use. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
** Also affects: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
It depends on what the fix is. If the fix is to change the themes that would apply. A global setting for theme thickness or an invisible border would require changes in compiz to match. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I concur with Jared. Also running Jaunty and I've tried various themes for Gnome including Human, New Wave, Dust, etc. All of these themes have different border sizes, and for aesthetics, many themes have a very thin border (1 pix). When the border is so thin, it's extremely difficult to naturally move your mouse cursor over that 1 pixel thickness. As per some discussion in the New Wave Gnome theme (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371833), you can customize the border width as follows: I've edited my metacity-theme-1.xml (found in /usr/share/themes/New Wave/metacity-1) as follows: distance name=left_width value=5/ distance name=right_width value=5/ Again though, forcing users to have a thicker border to make resizing windows natural isn't the correct solution. Having an invisible thicker resize area would work, or perhaps a snap to border edge when you're within 5 or 10 pixels of the border. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
NOTE: This bug also applies to compiz, would a fix to metacity transfer to compiz? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I'm here to add my concern for this bug. I'm currently using a jaunty netbook with a 1024x600 resolution and resizing windows naturally (using my cursor on a window edge) is almost always an absolute chore if not impossible. On my 1920x1200 desktop computer it's not quite as difficult with my trackball but it's more difficult than it should be. Now, I don't know if a patch that allows for border resizing is the right step. Making the borders larger takes away from screen real estate. Would it be possible to keep the borders at 1px while extending the [invisible] resize threshold out 5 or 10 pixels on each side of the border? I haven't used KDE since they released version 4 [ick] but I don't remember having any issues resizing windows with version 3.X - maybe the gnome project can borrow their window resize code? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
This resize problem is the first thing that disturbs me whenever I install a gnome based linux. I'm looking forward seeing a reasonable solution to this. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Hi all, Can somebody tell me where is this config editor and is this patch included in the jaunty release so it could be tested here as well during the alpha phase? There is a pool of people who could help with testing if needed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6535929postcount=157 -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
It seems to me that this is an upstream problem for gnome/metacity and not ubuntu specific. Increasing the default size is not an option because it makes everyone else's setup ugly and wastes space. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Kenneth: The patch I have attached upstream allows a minimum width to be set for the border size. Setting this to 0 causes no difference from the status quo. Setting it to, say, 20 causes 20px borders throughout. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Thomas: this would need ot be accepted upstream and the UI would need to be changed to allow for this additional functionality. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Kenneth: I'm the upstream maintainer :) I can't speak for the control-center UI, though. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Thomas: Nice demo. If I can't drag THAT, I fail :) All joking around aside, that patch looks useful. Even if it's only in the config editor (which is not necessarily easy to find for some newbies, I know) it's still there and much more easily tweakable than theme XML. Thanks. Kenneth: Absolutely. There's no need to alter the default wholesale. I don't think anyone would disagree with you on those points - this should be an opt-in thing and it has huge potential to make things hideous, especially themes based on bitmapped images rather than vector art. Some of us don't care so much if it looks bad as long as we can use it. Looks like Thomas has done it! Is there any probability that it will be included in an update in the near future? Can I download a package and have it? Now, about buying you a beer or two.. I'm serious, email me about it -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
** Changed in: metacity Status: Invalid = In Progress -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I have this problem at work, where we use Ubuntu. That's a win for the project, for sure! I've used two different mice: one optical, one laser with adjustable DPI; I've used several display resolutions from 1024x768 through 1600x1200; in no case was I satisfied with the size of the resize handles in the themes I got by default. I do need to resize windows a lot to keep a large amount of information on the screen. I'll typically have 7 or 8 virtual desktops populated with multiple windows each, and I do a ton of coding and testing. I have 7 right now. So you can't chalk it up to people with disabilities or the elderly or the computer illiterate - I am one of you, or should I say us or we power-users, who CAN tweak things to my liking without asking on forums! However, being at my job, this means I can't spend all day tweaking things to make my life easier. I have to account for my time, and management doesn't want to find out that I spent an hour downloading themes, finding and tweaking XML to make my GUI better. Neither do I want to have to do this at home and bring it to work. That helps nobody. I am stuck with an OS that I can't alter in a fundamental way. I quite literally would lose a large amount of productivity if I was forced to use Windows or MacOS, and installing some other distribution isn't a possibility because Ubuntu+GNOME is our standard desktop OS. Being condescending, insulting the intelligence and ability of your fellow users and Linux advocates, and calling a report like this trivial and useless is not in the spirit of GNOME, nor is it the spirit of Ubuntu that I have known. I know it's stressful to moderate threadlike bug reports where people don't understand each other, I'm right there with you, and I personally will give my thanks when this is done. All the other commenters and I want is a simple control in the appearance control panel. One that should be there, but isn't. I do not have the time to write a control panel extension for GNOME, nor do I have the patience to support one, nor the desire to produce on my own limited time a buggy crapplet that gets rejected and postpones the development a real solution longer. Yes, I know it's annoying to have users demand something, and I do ticket work for clients all the time so I understand that very well, but don't you think it's about time to add that one control to the panel? This enhancement request has been open for a year and a month now. Is somebody working on this and that's just not being mentioned? Because I'd love to thank them for it, believe me. I'd donate a beer or two for sure if I knew it would get this done. See, I'm even willing to pay a small amount for the development... BTW, Trivia: Other commenters were correct when they said Windows has had this, and I do remember having the setting in Windows 3.1. There was actually a Granularity setting as well that allowed you to set the granularity of window resizing - so it would snap to multiples of X pixels where X was normally 1 but you could say you wanted 4px, 8px, etc. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Dan: Okay, you convinced me. I've attached a patch upstream. Here's a screenshot. ** Attachment added: Screenshot http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20529371/100.png -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I found a very useful resize tool for the mean time. I installed the CompizConfig Settings Manager and found that ALT + BUTTON 2 initiates the resize with the mouse. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I have managed to manually hack the theme files to allow for a larger border. Obviously, not really a solution and use at your own risk, but as long you make a back of the file involved (an xml file), you should have an easy time following this. After some searching, it turns out that the pre-distributed themes such as clearlooks are located in /usr/share/themes. I'll assume you're using clearlooks, but if you'd like to edit a custom theme that you've downloaded, you'll find the same file structure, but in ~/.themes. So inside /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/metacity-1, there's a file called metacity-theme-1.xml. You'll need to be sudo to edit this file (gksudo gedit or similar) and you should back up this file before you start. The very first entry in the GEOMETRY section has three values that relate to the left, right and bottom borders (no idea why there's no top-border entry, but I couldn't find one). Anyway, in most themes, the default appears to be 4, which on my monitor/mouse set up translates to 2px. Of course, I'm sure the value 4 is meant to be 4px, but what I mean is that my mouse only physically moves twice before it's off the drag-area, which is why it's so damn hard to hit. I've changed all three entries to 10. This equates to about 6 movements of my mouse over the drag-area and makes massive difference. !-- ::: GEOMETRY ::: -- frame_geometry name=normal rounded_top_left=true rounded_top_right=true rounded_bottom_left=false rounded_bottom_right=false distance name=left_width value=10/ distance name=right_width value=10/ distance name=bottom_height value=10/ distance name=left_titlebar_edge value=4/ distance name=right_titlebar_edge value=4/ aspect_ratio name=button value=1.0/ distance name=title_vertical_pad value=0/ border name=title_border left=2 right=2 top=4 bottom=3/ border name=button_border left=1 right=1 top=2 bottom=2/ /frame_geometry Of course, if you ever change your theme, you'll have to find the corresponding theme directory and make these changes all over again. Also, in order to activate any changes after saving the file you'll have to either log out/in, or quicker still - open system/preferences/appearance and choose a different theme briefly, then switch back to the one you just edited. I should stress, I don't see that this workaround could, in any way be construed as a fix for this bug - the appearances window should simply provide a slider, or perhaps an accessibility option is required. I think I'll try opening another bug against gnome for this too. The more I think about this, the original gnome bug was closed because gnome feels that this is a theme related issue, and while that's probably true in the purest sense, it's crazy to suggest that I need to download new themes over and over until I find one that has thicker borders. And it's crazy to think that we need to manually edit xml files to make things better. However, I hope this helps someone else. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
report bugs that more apps should use corner resize grippies.: see bug 19232 for that -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I absolutely hate this bug. Am I weirdo too? Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. How many of those millions you think will go throught the process of registering here at launchpad and complain here? Not many, lots of them just dump OS as flawed or grind teeth. 30 fix requests is a huge number by my scales. I am sure that feature which requires user to digg through forums to find a fix for such a basic feature as resizing window is a bug and requires immediate correction. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 01:26, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Josef Sábl -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I disagree, there should be a default setting that works for everyone. That is point of default settings, right? On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 02:30, Adam Del Vecchio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *gtk not gtkrc -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- Josef Sábl -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
** Tags added: accessibility usability -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Ubuntu aims to be usable by ordinary human beings and accessible to the disabled. This issue is hurting those goals as follows: (1) Usability: Windows (95 onwards), Mac OS and KDE all have the ability to change border thickness *because clicking on a thin border is a problem for some people*. Microsoft, Apple and the KDE team all added this feature for a reason, and don't require you to change theme to change the border thickness. Border thickness is not a problem for many people I'm sure, but Ubuntu is missing out on part of its target market. (2) Accessibility: some people have motor control disabilities, e.g. tremor in the hand - it's important for them that it's *really easy* to set a larger window border, even on a smaller monitor. Ubuntu has relatively good support for visually impaired users - why not for users with motor control problems? Note that elderly people often have problem controlling the mouse (if they are new to computer), which is another accessibility issue - if you are struggling to accurately position the mouse pointer, a small window border makes it harder still. (3) Look and Feel: People should be able to choose a nice theme that they like (or is accessible to them), and independently tweak the border thickness - what if you hate blue but the only theme with a thicker border is blue? More importantly, what if you are visually impaired *and* have motor control problems, so you need a high-contrast theme, yet the only themes with a wide border are low contrast. The fact that only 30 people have commented here is misleading - only a tiny percentage of those experiencing this problem will bother to find the right bug and register on Launchpad. It's very likely it's affecting tens to hundreds of thousands of people, assuming Ubuntu's user base of 6 million is correct. Finally, Ubuntu should be *better* than Mac OS, Windows, etc - this is one area where its GNOME flavour is behind the competition. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
We will look into a fix. -Original Message- From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 31, 2008 3:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) Ubuntu aims to be usable by ordinary human beings and accessible to the disabled. This issue is hurting those goals as follows: (1) Usability: Windows (95 onwards), Mac OS and KDE all have the ability to change border thickness *because clicking on a thin border is a problem for some people*. Microsoft, Apple and the KDE team all added this feature for a reason, and don't require you to change theme to change the border thickness. Border thickness is not a problem for many people I'm sure, but Ubuntu is missing out on part of its target market. (2) Accessibility: some people have motor control disabilities, e.g. tremor in the hand - it's important for them that it's *really easy* to set a larger window border, even on a smaller monitor. Ubuntu has relatively good support for visually impaired users - why not for users with motor control problems? Note that elderly people often have problem controlling the mouse (if they are new to computer), which is another accessibility issue - if you are struggling to accurately position the mouse pointer, a small window border makes it harder still. (3) Look and Feel: People should be able to choose a nice theme that they like (or is accessible to them), and independently tweak the border thickness - what if you hate blue but the only theme with a thicker border is blue? More importantly, what if you are visually impaired *and* have motor control problems, so you need a high-contrast theme, yet the only themes with a wide border are low contrast. The fact that only 30 people have commented here is misleading - only a tiny percentage of those experiencing this problem will bother to find the right bug and register on Launchpad. It's very likely it's affecting tens to hundreds of thousands of people, assuming Ubuntu's user base of 6 million is correct. Finally, Ubuntu should be *better* than Mac OS, Windows, etc - this is one area where its GNOME flavour is behind the competition. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border [The entire original message is not included] -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
God speed and God bless you -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
It is not true that Mac OS lets you change window border thickness: since 2001 its windows have had no resize border at all. Instead, resizable windows always have a resize grippy in the lower right corner. Apple does provide an example, however, of another of the solutions proposed in previous comments: an invisible drag area. In iTunes 7.0 the border between the source list and the rest of the window was a 1-pixel- wide draggable splitter. In iTunes 7.3 an invisible 6-pixel-wide draggable area was added around the 1-pixel border. http://thinkmac.co.uk/blog/2007/07/itunes-73-ushers-in-welcome-ui- changes.html But apparently that still wasn't enough, and in 7.4 a grippy at the bottom was added as well. http://inessential.com/?comments=1postid=3100 I have no insight on whether an invisible draggable area would be both sufficient and error-free enough to work well for resizing windows. User-test it and see. :-) Meanwhile, report bugs that GTK should provide a corner resize grippy that doesn't require a status bar, and that more apps should use corner resize grippies. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Richard - I corrected your accessibility tag. The official tag for accessibility related bugs is 'a11y' ** Tags added: a11y ** Tags removed: accessibility -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I've commented before, but I'll say it again - resizing is unbelievably difficult at 1920x1280 resolution. Near impossible in fact. I routinely use ALT-Space R now. Trying to hit a one pixel (it feels like it) border on my screen is hopeless. I worry about the accessibility issues implied by this bug. @Thomas Thurman, you hinted that certain metacity themes have wider drag borders - if you have one in mind, can you share its name on this list, please? You also mention that you were hoping for a blog entry on the metacity blog. If this ever happened, can you share the URL. I'd like to raise the profile if this issue any way I can (digg the blog post for example). I notice that Gnome closed their bug claiming that drag border sizes were theme controlled. I'm not sure this is actually the case. So far, I've tried built-in themes (Clearlooks, Cruz, Glider, etc) and some gnome-look themes (Dust, DarkRoom, Brushed, Blended, and Shiki). Themes do not appear to have any effect on the drag border. Perhaps someone with theme experience can shed some light on this. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Apps have a resize area at the bottom right...using this might make things easier. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Some gnome apps have a resize corner, like Nautilus, but most GTK+ generic apps don't - Avidemux, Thunderbird, Firefox, DeVeDe and so on. In fact, many gnome apps themselves don't bother with the resize corner - look at the terminal for example. Besides, that doesn't help you much when you want to resize down from the top - you'd have to resize up, then drag down. So much for ease of use in that scenario. Just crazy that the entire experience of using Gnome can be tarnished by what should be easily fixed, and yet has been outstanding for nearly a year (probably much longer), spanning three O/S's (Gutsy, Hardy and now Intrepid). Since posting, I've been messing about with themes and I've found one setting that makes a small difference. Go to System/Preferences/Appearance, then choose Customise, then the tab Window Border. They all seem to be 2px or 3px in size, APART from one called Bright. It seems to have a 4px or 5px border. Sadly, it also changes all your window styles (looks awful) and min/max/close widgets (also looks awful). And it's a kinda bad looking brown colour, which doesn't fit the rest of my current theme. Not really much of a fix then. But, I'm going to see if I can find the file that refers to Bright in gnome themes (where ever they might be - the system themes certainly aren't in ~/themes) and see what makes it's borders bigger. If I can find that I might be able to hack my Dust theme to have bigger borders. What a pile of shxx. This, just so I can resize windows without having to have the coordination of an olympic athlete. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I have a 24 screen and have no problem resizing the windows. Making the window deco bigger is simply not an option when working on a smaller sized screen...the borders are huge and waste space. It has nothing to do with being an olympic athlete, if you do not like the default, change it, you are certainly free to do that with linux. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
In any case, the bug would be against the metacity theme and not the gtk theme ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) Status: Invalid = New ** Changed in: human-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Actually, after taking a screenshot, there are 5 pixels available for resizing the window on any side. I don't see the point in this bug anymore...maybe running some *really* big screen makes this hard but under normal circumstances it should not be hard to hit 5 pixels. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
What resolution are you running at? Are you seriously suggestion that because YOU don't have a problem resizing, then everyone else who's filed against this bug must be wrong? You say that if I don't like the default, change it. How? How do you make grab borders bigger in Ubuntu? And what theme are you running that has 5px of border? Mine doesn't. 2px at the most here, using ClearLooks, although I've since changed it to Dust. Did you actually read ANY of the preceeding comments from the many, many people experiencing this problem? There are about 30 interested parties here I think. I'd really like to hear how to fix this - I've been waiting (and struggling) for over a year now. I'm also really confused about your last comment - you don't see the point of this bug anymore. What does that mean? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Does this affect COMPIZ as well? -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) In any case, the bug would be against the metacity theme and not the gtk theme ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Kenneth Wimer (kwwii) Status: Invalid = New ** Changed in: human-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Kenneth, I agree, although there should be an app somewhere, possibly built into gtkrc that allows change to little details like this. -Original Message- From: Neil Broadley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 7:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) What resolution are you running at? Are you seriously suggestion that because YOU don't have a problem resizing, then everyone else who's filed against this bug must be wrong? You say that if I don't like the default, change it. How? How do you make grab borders bigger in Ubuntu? And what theme are you running that has 5px of border? Mine doesn't. 2px at the most here, using ClearLooks, although I've since changed it to Dust. Did you actually read ANY of the preceeding comments from the many, many people experiencing this problem? There are about 30 interested parties here I think. I'd really like to hear how to fix this - I've been waiting (and struggling) for over a year now. I'm also really confused about your last comment - you don't see the point of this bug anymore. What does that mean? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
*gtk not gtkrc -Original Message- From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 30, 2008 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) I am runnig at 1920x1200 with the normal murrine based human theme.. ake a screenshot and look at it yourself, if that is not true, feel free to ping me personally. If you want larger borders you select another theme or find one which suits your needs. Even 30 (and I really doubt that many are interested) doesn't mean much against millions of users. I am not saying that this my reason for refusal but it is certainly a reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
It's a PITA to change the window sizes. I use a Razer mouse which has little to no linux support and it's very sensitive and I can tell you that I have a one in 1680 chance of catching that window edge to resize it. Do what ever you have to, make it happen it's annoying and really a pain on my wrists to have to spend time just trying to resize a window and it's embarrassing when trying to show the operating system to others. Make Ubuntu the best it can be, you got my support. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I would like two options really: 1. Set pixel width of the border, ideally in the GNOME Appearance tool where you select a theme - have an option to Customize Theme (this is what Windows does). Should be a variable value, either by typing a number or using up/down buttons to change a displayed mockup of the border. 2. Have this feature also present in the Accessibility setup tool, perhaps with a fixed value. However, people's disabilities vary a lot so I don't think a fixed value is the best option, better to let it be changed as (1) If you don't want a GUI option for (1), at least provide a documented gconf option for this if possible. GNOME really is astonishingly good these days, and I've chosen it over KDE for this elderly relative based on usability, but this would improve it further. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Sorry for the spam, but I just wanted to add my name to the list of people who have ALWAYS thought this was a problem ( going back to Ubuntu 6.06). -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Yes I agree. This is a major usability problem. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Bill Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the spam, but I just wanted to add my name to the list of people who have ALWAYS thought this was a problem ( going back to Ubuntu 6.06). -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
This is a real pain on larger displays (e.g. mine is 1680x1050). It's also an accessibility issue - those with motor control problems may find it very hard to position the mouse to drag a window even on smaller displays such as 1280x1024 17 monitors. Having switched from KDE, where this is a simple configuration option and the first thing I set up, I'm really surprised that GNOME doesn't allow this. Windows has of course allowed this for a very long time, certainly Windows 95 if not Windows 3.1. Installing Emerald is reasonable workaround I suppose but that's hardly new user friendly - it would be much better if this was configurable. Having to search for a theme with wider borders is a pain, you might well end up with a theme you don't like for aesthetic reasons. As someone said, it's the small things that put you off when you are trying out Ubuntu for the first time. (I've used Ubuntu for a few years and Linux for ages but am setting up Ubuntu for an elderly relative who has some trouble with precise mouse movements.) -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Hello, I am having a little difficulty understanding your problem, but what I get to know from your email is that you are having problems setting up a new monitor and some other little resizing problems. You should check your graphic card and you might have to get a good graphic card to a higher resolution like the one you are using. Try ATI 4850 and also check that someone has not messed up the display settings that are on your monitor buttons, that might help you getting the borders you want. Sorry I wasn't able to help much, Vikram - Original Message From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:14:22 AM Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) This is a real pain on larger displays (e.g. mine is 1680x1050). It's also an accessibility issue - those with motor control problems may find it very hard to position the mouse to drag a window even on smaller displays such as 1280x1024 17 monitors. Having switched from KDE, where this is a simple configuration option and the first thing I set up, I'm really surprised that GNOME doesn't allow this. Windows has of course allowed this for a very long time, certainly Windows 95 if not Windows 3.1. Installing Emerald is reasonable workaround I suppose but that's hardly new user friendly - it would be much better if this was configurable. Having to search for a theme with wider borders is a pain, you might well end up with a theme you don't like for aesthetic reasons. As someone said, it's the small things that put you off when you are trying out Ubuntu for the first time. (I've used Ubuntu for a few years and Linux for ages but am setting up Ubuntu for an elderly relative who has some trouble with precise mouse movements.) -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Vikram: I don't think he has a problem with the resolution. I think he wants that resolution, but with thicker borders on all themes for the sake of accessibility, which is a perfectly reasonable request. I am bouncing ideas around in my head about how to fix this one. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
How about a couple pixels worth of thickness that are transparent. This way the metacity themes won't have to be bulky. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:41:33 + Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) Vikram: I don't think he has a problem with the resolution. I think he wants that resolution, but with thicker borders on all themes for the sake of accessibility, which is a perfectly reasonable request. I am bouncing ideas around in my head about how to fix this one. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is subscribed to human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
We could do that, although it would mean you'd need the shape extension; does anyone not have that these days? Alternatively, we could have an accessibility option that meant Make all frame borders at least five pixels wide or something. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I foresee a post about this on the Metacity blog. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I absolutely hate this bug. I would also note that the most problematic are the top cornersas area above window icon and control box with maximize, minimize and close button cannot be used for resizing. And I would also note that the window control menu (the one you get when you press Alt+Space) is broken for move and resize options. Problem with Move - this menu is great to be used as a keyboard option for moving windows, right? When coding, I use mouse very little and use this to move windows instead. But, when I am finished moving the window, the mouse cursor is left right in the middle of the window, so I have to grab the mouse anyway and move the pointer away so it does not get in my way. Problem with Resize - sometimes it works, but mostly it does pretty funky stuff. I noticed that it has biggest problems when the window is partially behind the corner. I mean on another desktop. I should maybe note that I use Compiz with cube enabled. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Josef: If you use compiz, you should raise another bug against compiz. This is a metacity bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
As someone fairly new to Linux, yet understand things far better than the average newbie, I want to add my 2 cents. On a scale of 1-4 1 - Emergency 2- High 3- Medium 4 Low I have to say this issue is a medium priority. It is a usability issue, and will turn people away. It's the little things that get you. They add up. I understand that it will take resources, but I think getting this issue resolved being resolution dependent will alleviate others as well. The sad truth is this will probably get fixed because of something else being resolution dependent. IMHO the theme shouldn't matter, and or even better a simple GUI setting. At the least, we need this to be more generous in default themes. Were it not for Compiz ALT-Middleclick I would have gone nuts already. Glad the theme change helps, but is a work around. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I just started using Ubuntu as a Desktop instead of server (even just today). So coming from using Windows and OS X for so long, I find this a big deal also. A resize control that is part of theme and displayed in the bottom corner would make thing much easier. I've tried all other included themes and none seem any better. I've tried adjusing my mouse sensitivity but it would be too slow to make just window resizing easy. I would switch to something besides Metacity just because of this reason. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Hi, Use Alt+Middle Clic to resize from anywhere in the window. In Unix, windows manager does not draw inside the window, only outside (border, title, etc.). So only window with status bar have the resize handle at bottom. Regards, Étienne. -- E Ultreïa ! -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
To further ad, I noticed apps like Gedit have a resize handle and it's much easier than with programs like Firefox and Terminal. I'm not sure if there are guidelines or anything that can be recommended to all developers. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 17:17 +, zarathustra wrote: I just started using Ubuntu as a Desktop instead of server (even just today). So coming from using Windows and OS X for so long, I find this a big deal also. A resize control that is part of theme and displayed in the bottom corner would make thing much easier. I've tried all other included themes and none seem any better. I've tried adjusing my mouse sensitivity but it would be too slow to make just window resizing easy. I would switch to something besides Metacity just because of this reason. Hi, If you don't like or you don't feel OK with the included themes, you may check this: http://gnome-look.org It contains a lot of ways to change the lookfeel of your desktop. For your problem, it may be better for you to use a theme which has a bigger window border. Take a look at gnome-look. You'll find metacity themes on the left side of the page. (click the link Metacity). To install the theme do the following: 1 - download the Metacity theme you like somewhere on your computer (lets say on Desktop) 2 - Open the theme manager: go to Main Menu-System-Preferences-Appearance (or Theme) 3 - Drag and drop the file you downloaded to the window (or click the install button and select the theme ) Don't be afraid to ask for further help when you need :) -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
@Mihai This isn't about changing the look and feel, this is about the underlying architecture. 1) The window's grab area should be separated from its aesthetic border trim area ( as per Jonathan Kerls suggestion at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/19 ) 2) Device display independence will help to alleviate this issue as well. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
As a theme designer it would be nice to be able to specify regions that could act as resize areas. A theme with 1 pixel or no side borders, but a thick 5px bar on bottom would work fine if you could declare that the 10 pixels of the bottom bar at the left and right side were to act as a corner resize, giving the user a 50 pixel area on either corner for resizing. As is, if you have no border or a thin border, it's virtually impossible to actually resize a window without using shortcuts. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I have a 1280x800 LCD display, and trying to resize windows by dragging corners or edges has always been frustrating to me -- just as described by others above, it usually takes several tries before the edge/corner is correctly grabbed. (I am presently using the Mist theme under Gutsy) -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I find resizing windows on Gutsy very frustrating. The draggable window borders are narrower than the accuracy with which I can position the mouse. Obviously this is one of those things where some people cannot imagine how anyone could be bothered by it, others (like me) don't have to imagine it, they experience it. 1440x900 dot screen. I may investigate this Emerald windowmanager, I just wonder what it may break if I install it? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Paul: You also have the option of changing the theme size, of course. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
(Sorry, that of course wasn't supposed to be patronising; I apologise if it sounded that way.) You can install a theme with wider borders, or modify the borders of the existing one as explained elsewhere on this page. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
** Changed in: metacity Status: Unknown = Invalid -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Sounds like this is, indeed, resolution dependant. I'm running a 24 Dell flat panel and its resolution is 1920x1200. This may be why only a small number of people have hooked onto this issue. To be honest, I've fixed this now, simply by installing the Emerald manager straight from the Gutsy repos. Now, in System/prefs/Emerald Themes, I can just click on Frames/Borders and use the sliders there to alter the size for each side. Just installing Emerald helps though, since its default appears to be 4px. I've upped my right and bottom frames to 7px. It does create lopsided frames, but at this res, it's not obvious, but makes resizing from the lower right corner much, much easier. I like the transparent idea however, providing it's not overdone. I reckon a 4-5px frame with another 3-4px transparent frame would be awesome. I'll be interested to see if anything along those lines is implemented in either Emerald or Metacity. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Hello I've been trying to get off this mailing list but the the web site thing that makes me off the list doesn't work so please TAKE ME OFF THE LIST -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I'll second this - I can't find any way to make the windows resize border bigger than (I think) 1px. Resizing windows is cumbersome, frustrating and far too easy to get wrong. I'm running compiz-fusion enabled from a stock Gutsy build, with almost no additions (ccsm is the only change I've made so far) and the resize handles are all but invisible. I've tried all the stock themes in systems/prefs/appearance, but none of those appear to change the resize handles. In Emerald, when using my older Beryl/Emerald combo (on Feisty), this was a simple change to make the handles bulkier and easier to grab. And yep - of course I can also use the menu and choose the resize option, but obviously this is NOT a solution to the handles being to small. It's a workaround, which is even more cumbersome (but admittedly less frustrating) than hunting for the resize handles in the first place. I can also use ALT-BothMouseButtons to initiate a resize. But that's not useful if my keyboard isn't available/handy (which it often isn't when I'm using the PC in the living room). -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I thought I'd also add to this bug just to say that this is definately a problem. I've had this issue since as long as I can remember. You have to be very accurate with the positioning of the mouse to get the resize handle, especially for resizing from the corner of a window. It's very hit-and-miss. My girlfriend and I both struggle with window resizes and I'm fairly certain it's theme independent as well. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Note that with the default Human theme, I need to get the pointer to within an area of 4 pixels at the edge of a window to be able to resize it (I know I'm sad, I counted!) On a 1600x1200 monitor, this is a difficult task, and requires great precision. I can't believe this is marked as 'Wishlist'. It's definately a usability bug. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I forwarded the problem to metacity's developers. Thanks for your feedback! ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #496536 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 ** Also affects: metacity via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Closing metacity bug, it *is* theme dependant. Add the human theme as affected package. ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: human-gtk-theme (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Siegfried: I understand now that this is theme dependant and I agree that the Human theme should be fixed, but this seems to be a problem with all Metacity themes I've used, including other Metacity themes that ship with Ubuntu. For example, the 'Metabox' theme (on my default install) seems to be *much* worse than Human - it seems to only give you a single pixel width in which to position the mouse, which is nearly impossible at 1600x1200 resolution. So, is this an indication of a wider problem with the implementation of Metacity themes? Is this something that the Metacity developers still need to consider, in order to improve consistency across themes/improve usability? -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
As the person who mostly looks after theme support in Metacity, I'd love to hear discussions on and suggestions for what's needed in version three of the format. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
See my opinion on this below, but note that I can't speak in name of the theme designers (in fact, I've no experience in this field): I don't really think this is a bug nor that it's very several (I hadn't heard anything like this until this report was created), but if some users have problems with the currently provided themes a variant of the human theme (or whatever it will now be called on Hardy) with thicker borders (and perhaps other usability changes) would be adequate to be also included in the default installation. Of course adding an option to change the border thickness on the properties dialog would be better, but as the GNOME guys said this isn't that trivial, there's really more important stuff where time should be spend than on patching this. Unless someone could come up with an easy fix for it, of course. Well, as I said this is just my opinion, and I'm not really sure about what I'm speaking, so I think I'll just stop following this now and leave it for someone else that knows more about this subjects. If you have any other idea on how to fix this, let us hear it :). -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
I am running 1600x1200 resolution and I have to say, that Robert is right. It's not very comfortable to resize a window. Is there an easy way to change this? Thanks. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
It is relatively painless to change the dimensions of the surrounding border for themes. That said, you may end up with a gaudy looking heavy window, but I assume that you don't care about that. To change border widths, simply open up the theme's Metacity XML file. For example, Human's theme is located in /usr/share/themes/Human/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml The stanza in question should be apparent: distance name=left_width value=5/ distance name=right_width value=5/ distance name=bottom_height value=5/ Try mucking with the values until you get something you are happy with. Unfortuanately, resolution dependency still plagues much of Gnome. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
The original bug suggested an extra transparent area added to the width which is a good idea to keep things functional and clean. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:04:56 + Subject: [Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) It is relatively painless to change the dimensions of the surrounding border for themes. That said, you may end up with a gaudy looking heavy window, but I assume that you don't care about that. To change border widths, simply open up the theme's Metacity XML file. For example, Human's theme is located in /usr/share/themes/Human/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml The stanza in question should be apparent: distance name=left_width value=5/ distance name=right_width value=5/ distance name=bottom_height value=5/ Try mucking with the values until you get something you are happy with. Unfortuanately, resolution dependency still plagues much of Gnome. -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Artwork Team, which is a bug contact for human-gtk-theme in ubuntu. _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 160311] Re: Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness)
Thanks for taking the time to report us your comments. However, I don't think that that most users have any problem with that, perhaps it's the theme you are using? Also notice that if you right click the title of a window you will find a Resize option there (and also the same if you right click the title of window on the bottom panel). ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- Window Resize Difficult (Window Border Thickness) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/160311 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
