[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
We are closing this bug report because it lacks the information we need to investigate the problem, as described in the previous comments. Because no one with a running 8.10 would spend 10 min to make a check, I have spent almost 10 hours of my unavailable time on this and here's the result ... 1) another more powerful laptop was passing by, with a chance to install Wine while running liveCD, and I hired it for a while 2) I downloaded and burned 8.10 desktop iso (on 8.04.1+) Brasero told me that there was a burn error but the CD seemed perfect 3) I booted this CD and, not a given thing, WiFi was running I ran Synaptic and, despite all sources turned on and updated, there was no wine to find !!! 4) I asked the owner of this laptop if I could make a partition and he agreed if I explained him how to make a backup and I made one 5) I fetched and burned 8.10 desktop (on 8.04.1+ again) Brasero told me that there was a burn error but the CD was perfect I looked into that, Brasero reports a 'device busy' error and it seems obvious that it's because the disk has an autorun using the drive at the same time Brasero wants to check the CD. This seems to be Bug #296146 and I wonder why that bug is incomplete. 6) I wanted to test upgrading 8.04 to 8.10 and, after doing so, WiFi was not working. This is another bug that took me much time to work around. Also, there was no shutdown applet but someone who would argue it's just aesthetics. 7) Having upgraded, I finally found wine in Synaptics and I finally was able to make the test. Is that what you required? That laptop will be away in two weeks. Please don't wait until then to ask more questions about 8.10. Almost one year after reporting this bug, the same problem remains exactly as described, in 8.04.1+ and 8.10+. Is making these sorts of difficult to do tests the good method to solve the problem? Or shouldn't the problem rather be analyzed, which I can help effectively with 8.04 tests when I'm at it without having to install systems that only other people run? Friends I advised running Windows applications on 8.04.1 are asking if a patch will be available for their system and when. What should I reply to help them not return to Windows? -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
We are closing this bug report because it lacks the information we need to investigate the problem, as described in the previous comments. Please reopen it if you can give us the missing information, and don't hesitate to submit bug reports in the future. To reopen the bug report you can click on the current status, under the Status column, and change the Status back to New. Thanks again!. ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Invalid -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
1) I have terrible problems elsewhere preventing me to help Ubuntu for the time being 2) I consider offensive to mark this bug as Invalid after the work time I have spent on it and after having seen no followups except mine 3) I consider offensive to suggest to return it to New after I have provided all asked details. It's fully confirmed. 4) I wonder why my having no time can govern the outcome of a bug anyone can experiment; BTW, I have Confirmed it on a plain up to dated Ubuntu 8.04.1 on another hardware 5) I'm using 8.04 and I obviously cannot install Wine using a Live CD. Does no one using 8.10 really have a few minutes to make that test instead of asking me to find hardware to install 8.10? 6) I wonder what's the importance of Wine if nobody else complains of a real problem. I consider Wine as the Portal to Linux. If other people were packaging Windows programs to DEBs with a frontend script like I do, it would shut the mouth of those saying that Linux lacks this or that program (principally games) and Ubuntu would be much different with Wine programs distributed and installed the same way as Linux programs. 7) Again, I question the methods used by Ubuntu to solve a bug. What's the use of reporting if no developer comes to the reporter (when anyone cannot experiment it) to ask for details? What's the use to watch every next release in mere hope of a fix? 8) This bug exists in 8.04 and, according to what LTS means, a user should know what updates to apply to a no-Internet-access installation to solve it, not know that the problem is fixed in another release. 9) I wonder if I must continue to help, use and promote Ubuntu if the result is frustration Wine is such a important piece it deserves more attention. -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = Confirmed -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
Is this symptom still reproducible in 8.10 or 9.04? ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
Ok, then you're using metacity. I can't reproduce this with KWin 4.1, so I'm assigning the bug to metacity I have added xubuntu.desktop and kubuntu.desktop to this system. Kubuntu : no problem indeed with KWin. Xubuntu : same problem with Xfwm4. Hence, by the same reasoning, you should assign the bug to Xfwm4 too. As I understand it, there is a misunderstanding between Wine and both Metacity and Xfwm but not KWin. When I turn off Allow the wm to control the window I, in fact, allow Wine to do it instead of the host's wm. Hence, Wine knows no better than to minimize windows on the desktop. Moreover, it does it in a rough way (overlays panel, random way and place, ugly look, no control at all, etc...). This point could be improved in Wine. As in all protocol misunderstanding cases, it's uncertain to me which side is responsible. I have attached the xprop output in all cases : SS_wm_ws.txt where ws is the state of the aforementioned Wine Configuration|Graphics|Allow... settings 11 is post-installation standard state (host does both) 10 is my half-workaround (wm does not control the window) Hoping this will help. André. PS : hoping I can do it in one go this time, else please excuse disorder :-) ** Attachment added: SS_Metacity_11.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15855636/SS_Metacity_11.txt ** Attachment added: SS_Metacity_10.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15855637/SS_Metacity_10.txt ** Attachment added: SS_XFWM4_11.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15855638/SS_XFWM4_11.txt ** Attachment added: SS_XFWM4_10.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15855639/SS_XFWM4_10.txt ** Attachment added: SS_KWin_11.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15855640/SS_KWin_11.txt ** Attachment added: SS_Kwin_10.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15855641/SS_Kwin_10.txt -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
On 2008-07-02 23:28, Jonathan Thomas wrote : Gnome is a desktop environment, not a window manager. Gnome's default window manager is metacity, but if you have desktop effects enabled it uses Compiz Fusion. This isn't a problem in KDE, which uses KWin for its window manager. So the question is this: Are you using desktop effects? (Like the desktop cube and wobbly windows and other stuff like that Thanks for helping me naming the details of Ubuntu. It's standard Wine 0.92..1.1.0 in standard Ubuntu 8.04 with up to latest updates. So, if you speak of System|Preferences|Appearance|Visual Effects, the answer is None. Generally speaking, I hate turning a system appearance into a multimedia show. And as the systems I'm configuring right now have partially supported Year 2000 limited video acceleration, I have every reason to avoid screen overload. I welcome any method to limit screen overload. In Xubuntu, there's a tweaking configuration where I had limited a window to a frame when moved, etc... -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
Ok, then you're using metacity. I can't reproduce this with KWin 4.1, so I'm assigning the bug to metacity. ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: wine = metacity Status: Incomplete = New -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
André: Hi. Could you run xprop, and click on the window which doesn't have a minimise button, and then paste the output here? -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
(Attaching it would probably be better; it can get lengthy.) -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
** Summary changed: - Gnome wine runs Simple Sudoku without window's minimize button + Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
Yeah, not letting your window manager control your windows isn't really supposed to be pretty. It's mainly there to deal with compatibility problems. So, what window manager are you using? Because this bug probably lies with the window manager. Are you using compiz? -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
On 2008-07-02 16:43, Jonathan Thomas wrote : Yeah, not letting your window manager control your windows isn't really supposed to be pretty. It's mainly there to deal with compatibility problems. So, what window manager are you using? Because this bug probably lies with the window manager. Are you using compiz? Thanks. I'm not sure of the question you ask. The bug title mentions Gnome wine ... It's standard Wine 1.1.0 in standard Ubuntu 8.04 with latest updates. Isn't Gnome the windows manager? Shouldn't every Ubuntu user see the problem? I plan to add Xfce (Xubuntu) to Ubuntu. Would that help? But there's an important bug anyway. -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 202456] Re: Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button
Gnome is a desktop environment, not a window manager. Gnome's default window manager is metacity, but if you have desktop effects enabled it uses Compiz Fusion. This isn't a problem in KDE, which uses KWin for its window manager. So the question is this: Are you using desktop effects? (Like the desktop cube and wobbly windows and other stuff like that) -- Gnome wine runs all programs without window's minimize button https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202456 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
