[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
** Description changed: The term Ubuntero, which is presumably of Spanish derivation, is only applicable for male contributors. A female contributor should be called an Ubuntera, which is impossible currently as a contributor is not asked his or her sex. I suggest introducing a question about a participant's sex in the profile, or substituting Ubuntista which is applicable for a man or a woman. + + Update: the Community Council decided to replace the term Ubuntero with + User XYZ has signed the Code of Conduct, so that is the fix that is + needed in launchpad, wikis, etc. as described around #54 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 Title: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/272826/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
I like Ubuntista. În data de Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:21:45 +0300, Neal McBurnett n...@bcn.boulder.co.us a scris: ** Description changed: The term Ubuntero, which is presumably of Spanish derivation, is only applicable for male contributors. A female contributor should be called an Ubuntera, which is impossible currently as a contributor is not asked his or her sex. I suggest introducing a question about a participant's sex in the profile, or substituting Ubuntista which is applicable for a man or a woman. + + Update: the Community Council decided to replace the term Ubuntero with + User XYZ has signed the Code of Conduct, so that is the fix that is + needed in launchpad, wikis, etc. as described around #54 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 Title: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/272826/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Matt, thanks for looking after the implementation of this. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Matt Nuzum notified me by mail that http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember no longer refers to the Ubuntero term, and I've confirmed that the change is live on the website now. If you come across stray references to this term in the wiki, please go ahead and fix them. That should be all for this bug. I'm sorry we took so long to get this change implemented, but it's done now. ** Changed in: ubuntu-website Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Fixed released in Launchpad sinzui. ** Changed in: launchpad-registry Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:30:55PM -, Barry Warsaw wrote: signer it is! Why does it need to be a noun phrase? Why not Has signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct? Yes/No or similar? -- - mdz -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Matt Nuzum agreed to make this change for us on the website. Daniel Holbach indicated it would be appropriate to just remove this paragraph from the page, because it already explains the Code of Conduct generally. Thanks, Matt! ** Changed in: ubuntu-website Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: ubuntu-website Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: ubuntu-website Assignee: (unassigned) = Matthew Nuzum (newz) -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On the web UI we use Signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct: Yes/No but internally (in the code base) we use a noun phrase to refer to the person who has signed the CoC, so signer vs signee turns out to be more of an implementation detail. The branch to fix this will be in review today and I'll take a look at updating the help wiki. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
I think I've updated all the references in the help wiki. ** Changed in: launchpad-registry Status: In Progress = Fix Committed -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 01:42:07AM -, Curtis Hovey wrote: I think I can promise the initial change will be visible on edge within 2 weeks. Thanks a lot, Curtis, I appreciate it. -- - mdz -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Also note that the dev wiki has a few occurrences of the term ubuntero: https://help.launchpad.net/HelpOnActions?action=fullsearchcontext=180value=ubuntero -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
** Changed in: launchpad-registry Status: Triaged = In Progress ** Changed in: launchpad-registry Milestone: 2.2.9 = 2.2.7 ** Changed in: launchpad-registry Assignee: (unassigned) = Barry Warsaw (barry) -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:42:27PM -, Barry Warsaw wrote: Also note that the dev wiki has a few occurrences of the term ubuntero: https://help.launchpad.net/HelpOnActions?action=fullsearchcontext=180value=ubuntero Who could help to clean that up? I assume that wiki is not open access. -- - mdz -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Correct. Matt Revell is probably the right person, but I'll take a look after the Launchpad part of the task is complete. I've subscribed Matt to this bug. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:22:16PM -, Barry Warsaw wrote: Correct. Matt Revell is probably the right person, but I'll take a look after the Launchpad part of the task is complete. I've subscribed Matt to this bug. Thanks a lot, Barry. -- - mdz -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
So, one thing that's nice about the term Ubuntero is that it's much shorter than Ubuntu Code-of-Conduct signee :). That's the best phrase I've come up with to replace Ubuntero. If you have any alternative suggestions, please let me know, otherwise I'm going with that. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 08:24:38PM -, Barry Warsaw wrote: So, one thing that's nice about the term Ubuntero is that it's much shorter than Ubuntu Code-of-Conduct signee :). I'd prefer signer or possibly even signatory, not signee - otherwise that sounds somebody who's been signed by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. (Sorry, nitpicking; I don't have any better suggestions right now ...) -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
signer it is! -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
This term still seems to be in use in Launchpad, e.g. at http://launchpad.net/~mdz as well as on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember Would it help if I submitted a patch for the Launchpad side? It seems a trivial bug to fix, and the decision to change it was taken quite some time ago. And what about the website? Is anything standing in the way of getting this fixed? -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
It is not just UI. This will be fixed with the redesign of the profile page which will be released in 2.2.9 at the latest. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:44:09PM -, Curtis Hovey wrote: It is not just UI. This will be fixed with the redesign of the profile page which will be released in 2.2.9 at the latest. Thanks for the update. I can understand if you want the UI to be consistent with any other uses of the term. If it looks like it will be delayed any longer than that, can we consider updating only the UI as an interim fix? -- - mdz ** Changed in: launchpad-registry Milestone: None = 2.2.9 -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
I think I can promise the initial change will be visible on edge within 2 weeks. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
I thought the CC decided to stop using the term Ubuntero. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Yes, but it's not completely fixed in all places yet. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember needs to replace Ubuntero with something else too. ** Also affects: ubuntu-website Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Hello, I'm Spanish and my native tonge is Spanish. In spanish language, the -ero ending can be also found in words as granero , sonajero. that have a grammatical gender but, has a thing a true gender? Has a place a true gender ? .. And there is also a rule that stays that when you have males and females members, there all can be refer as a group by the male word . If this bother most of the community members, I suggest the term ubunt -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Juste a side note, although the issue has been fixed... It has been considered that Ubuntero sounded Spanish. That's fine, but to me it also sounds like Esperanto, which is more of a neutral language and pretty wide-spread in open-source communities (you just have to see the translations made in this language... it's hard to get Windows or MacOS in Esperanto imo). In Esperanto (and Ido by the way), Ubuntero would be a _neutral_ name, as all names, while Ubunterulo would be the specific word for males and Ubunterino the term for women. My 2 cents ;) -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
In as much as this bug required a policy decision from the Ubuntu project, that part of it is now resolved. I'll close the Ubuntu task and leave the Launchpad task open. ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: New = Fix Released -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
The Community Council decided to drop the term from Launchpad and replace it with User XYZ has signed the Code of Conduct. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Hi all, Found this bug a little too late I guess, Ubuntero somehow was internally synonymous to me to 'Zorro' . You know taking from rich and giving to the poor which ubuntu is doing in its own small way. My 2 paise stuff -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
I'm not particularly bothered by either form of the word itself, but I am strongly opposed to the idea of making (or even asking) people to declare their gender for two reasons. 1) That's not going to help the complicated issue of the overall relationship of women in FOSS groups that's already strained. 2) Unless you're willing to implement it properly with the full variety of answers, it's discriminatory towards some segments of the LGBT community. All etymological concerns aside, I do think ubuntista sounds kind of cool, so that works for me. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Update from the Community Council (via the announcement on the weekly newsletter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue119#Community%20Council): At approximately 11:14UTC on November 18, 2008 it was decided the term Ubuntero would be removed from Launchpad. IRC logs are available at: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/11/18 /%23ubuntu-meeting.html -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
I asked one of my Zulu colleagues (Sizwe Mabanga) and he said the word you are looking for is: onobuntu Which means a person who has ubuntu. (it is not gender specific) -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
If that is true, I like the way onobuntu sounds. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Me too - what a lovely word! But I think it would be better for us to be less mysterious, and just say what this actually means, which is that the person has signed the code of conduct. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
+1, I will add this suggest to the next community council meeting, and hopefully we can get this settled. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Moving to -registry as it's the project and team responsible for the fix, once the name is decided by the CC. ** Changed in: launchpad-registry Product: Launchpad itself = Launchpad Registry Importance: Undecided = Low Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
I think this have no trivial solution. Althought it's not the intention, ubuntero is spanish word for male (ero declination). ubuntera should be the name of female (era declination) (like jardinero or jardinera, or profesor and profesora). ubuntista could be and option for designing both genders (like dentista), but I have to remember that the Real Academy of Spanish Language (Real Academia de la Lengua) does not have (yet) any pronuntiation about how must we feminize the profession words. I vote for two words for two genders: ubuntero and ubuntera. For the collective name (the set of all ubunteros and ubunteras) you could use ubunterado (like profesorado that denotes the set of profesores and profesoras; or alumnado). Regards, Xan. PS: Don't think it too much. The spanish minister of Culture want to invent another word miembra (femenine of member 8-|) -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
No Portuguese ppl here? strange... Well Portuguese language shares most of its roots as Spanish, so lets not make this Country centric. Unlike some here, I use the term Ubuntero a lot, when referring to Ubuntu users (no mater what sex) I like ubuntero way more than ubuntista -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
This bug is valid, because even though it's an Ubuntu-specific issue, it is hard-coded into Launchpad. So when the Community Council decides what to change the term to, it will need changing in Launchpad. Meanwhile, Mark's proposal for allowing team-specific codes or agreements is the same as bug 48551. Implementing that would be sufficient, but not necessary, for fixing this bug. ** Changed in: launchpad Status: Invalid = Confirmed ** Also affects: ubuntu Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubuntu Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Community Council (communitycouncil) -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
QDVDAuthor wrote: How about calling it Ubunterra This would encompass the whole world gender free. Terra means earth. Perhaps it's appropriate for an organisation, but not for a person (of either sex). With regard to the status of Ubuntista, although words ending in -a in the Latin languages are normally feminine, there are exceptions and -ista is one of them, which is why you will find political parties in Spanish-speaking countries with names like Partido socialista. Matt Smith -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
This sounds like trying to change the word manager to something else because someone says having man in there makes it sexistguess we better start changing our man pages to something else, like doc pages...but then doctors would get offended and we'd have to change it again. :) All joking aside, from what I've learned, the word was coined as an English term, meaning it should have an English context (which in this case would mean gender-neutral). Since we are using English as the primary language in the Ubuntu community, it seems silly to start changing terms because they don't end in the right letter in some other language. If we change this word for the Spanish-speaking people, then we'd have to change it to something else for the Russian-speaking people, and around and around we go. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This bug is valid, because even though it's an Ubuntu-specific issue, it is hard-coded into Launchpad. So when the Community Council decides what to change the term to, it will need changing in Launchpad. Well, I would have said that Launchpad is fine until such time as the Ubuntu project does actually decide to change the term, but it doesn't really matter! Either way, we'll sort it out. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Well i'm spanish and i'm afraid i'm going to contradict what Lierni and Miriam Ruiz have said in this threath. In spanish we use the same termination for male and neutral gender. Ubunteros is perfectly fine to refer to a group of people that uses Ubuntu and Ubuntero to a person (of any gender) that uses Ubuntu. I do not see all the male taxi drivers (taxista in spanish note the final a) of Spain complaining about the name given to them. The radical interpretation and mapping of -a female and -o male is simply wrong for the spanish language and everybody can check this fact if interested. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
Leigh Honeywell wrote: Ubuntero is neutral to an anglophone, but to an hispanophone it sounds very male, so let's consider Ubuntista. then the -ista ending is neutral in English: the person who makes fancy coffee is a barista, regardless of gender. No-one says baristo So -o is gender neutral in English... but is not ? and when it is, we drag Spanish in the mix ? Well if we are not going to stick to English, then take French: -ista generally sound feminine, just as much as -ero sound generally masculine... in French there is no such thing as a 'neutral' gender, so everything fall on one side of the other. this cannot be avoided. (desk: m, table:f, tv:f, monitor:m, car:f, boat:m, computer:m, linux distribution:f, keyboard:m, mouse:f,printer:f, scanner:m... and even though these words are not in the language, unbutero:m, unbutista:f) My point is: make an argument using strictly English if you feel it is that important, but don't arbitrarily bring other language in the mix to import a sexual connotation that was not there to start with, because once you open that pandora box, there are enough language and diversity in the world to find every example and it's opposite. PS: Allow me to add that I too, do not favor at all requesting people to declare a sex. Sex is as irrelevant to a technical discussion as height, weight, or cleft chin. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
** Changed in: ubuntu Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272826] Re: Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors
[...] With regard to the status of Ubuntista, although words ending in -a in the Latin languages are normally feminine, [...] Matt Smith It seems very hard to come up with a word that isn't gender specific in _any_ language. To change the term from Ubuntero to Ubuntista makes the term sound very much feminine in Swedish (Inga, Ulla) , the other Scandinavian languages, German (Hanna, Lena), Russian (Alexandra, Jana), etc. It seems that in some languages the ending -a indicates feminine, but as mentioned above in Japanese -o is feminine. I think that whatever random name that is chosen it will be gender specific in some language and perhaps the fact that it's been successfully used for four years indicates that the current name is rather good. -- Ubuntero inappropriate for female contributors https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272826 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
