[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
This bug report was marked as Incomplete and has not had any updated comments for quite some time. As a result this bug is being closed. Please reopen if this is still an issue in the current Ubuntu release http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download . Also, please be sure to provide any requested information that may have been missing. To reopen the bug, click on the current status under the Status column and change the status back to New. Thanks. [This is an automated message. Apologies if it has reached you inappropriately; please just reply to this message indicating so.] ** Tags added: kj-expired ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Expired -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Hi Marc, This bug was reported a while ago and there hasn't been any activity in it recently. We were wondering if this is still an issue? Can you try with the latest development release of Ubuntu? ISO CD images are available from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid. If it remains an issue, could you run the following command from a Terminal (Applications-Accessories-Terminal). It will automatically gather and attach updated debug information to this report. apport-collect -p linux 375986 Also, if you could test the latest upstream kernel available that would be great. It will allow additional upstream developers to examine the issue. Refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds . Once you've tested the upstream kernel, please remove the 'needs-upstream- testing' tag. This can be done by clicking on the yellow pencil icon next to the tag located at the bottom of the bug description and deleting the 'needs-upstream-testing' text. Please let us know your results. Thanks in advance. [This is an automated message. Apologies if it has reached you inappropriately; please just reply to this message indicating so.] ** Tags added: needs-kernel-logs ** Tags added: needs-upstream-testing ** Tags added: kj-triage ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Tags added: jaunty -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
I started to happen to me too, sometimes I saw an error related to microcode SW error, but not always. How could I help debugging this? Jaunty amd64, kernel 2.6.28-17 -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Hi all, I have the same problem here, Sony Vaio SR49VN, intel centrino 2 2,66 GHz, 4 gb ram, intel wifi 5100. Kubuntu jaunty 64 bit randomly freeze with kernel 2.6.28-11 and 2.6.28-13 when using wifi. It randomly takes from 5 mins to 5 hours to freeze, but turning wifi off stop the freezes. after inspecting the kernel log this is the recurring pattern before the freeze: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 15000 nsec hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 35000 nsec and so on -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Upgrade to 2.6.30 kernel using http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel- ppa/mainline/ appears to have fixed the freezing issue. -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
I have this problem on an ASUS G71. I'm convinced that it is a wireless issue, because if I disable the wireless using the switch on the side of the laptop, everything is rock solid. Enable the wireless and the laptop freezes within 5 minutes to 2 hours. $ uname -a Linux g71-ubuntu 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub (rev 07) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Graphics Port (rev 07) 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03) 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03) 00:1a.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 03) 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 03) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 03) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 03) 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M-E LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 064a (rev a1) 02:00.0 Memory controller: Intel Corporation Turbo Memory Controller (rev 11) 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) 09:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 05) 09:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22) 09:01.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 12) 09:01.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 12) 09:01.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff) -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Does anyone know if upgrading to the latest kernel would help? I'm having the same problem on a Vaio Z750. It's a 64 bit, dual core with a fresh install of Jaunty (several fresh installs over the last few days). It locks up and and the leds flash. I can't do anything, even with REISUB or the off switch. The only way to get out is to unplug the laptop and remove the battery. When I try to boot up again, this is the last and first things in the kernel log: May 25 15:48:08 l-laptop kernel: [ 324.288093] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 15000 nsec May 25 16:52:51 l-laptop kernel: [ 4207.164049] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 22500 nsec May 25 21:46:28 l-laptop kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.28-11-generic May 25 21:46:28 l-laptop kernel: Cannot find map file. Earlier (right after boot up), there's a: May 25 15:42:59 l-laptop kernel: [5.183767] Marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle and a: May 25 15:42:59 l-laptop kernel: [6.501104] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -145986009 ns) Whether I can fix the partition with fsck or have to boot to the installation disk, my user directory is gone. Whether I go to a later or an earlier kernel, do I have to reinstall Ubunty, then change the kernel? A appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks, jack -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Marc, sorry for answering late. To compile the Kernel for Jaunty follow the advice on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158 (Master Kernel Thread) and replace all occurence of string 2.6.29 by 2.6.27. I'm now 10 days without any freeze (even under absolute heavy load)! Good luck Gerhard -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
I just want to add that I couldn't keep playing with this. I gots to gets my work done sometime ;) I've installed Linux Mint 6 x64 (Ubuntu 8.10) with the 2.6.27-14-generic kernel and I'm running great. Good luck, and thanks for your troubles(hooting), Marc and others. -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
I stress-tested my system with the external WiFi adapter for nearly 24 hours now, transferred some 6 GiB via WiFi. Listened to Shoutcast radio via Songbird. Downloaded and provided Ubuntu images via Transmission. Copied disk images from local systems. Jaunty is rock-solid. So I think I can pinpoint *my* problems to the iwlagn driver. System configuration with external WiFi adapter: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 13b1:0020 Linksys WUSB54GC 802.11g Adapter [ralink rt73] Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0c45:63ee Microdia Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Stroage Device Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 005: ID 413c:8160 Dell Computer Corp. Bus 003 Device 004: ID 413c:8162 Dell Computer Corp. Bus 003 Device 003: ID 413c:8161 Dell Computer Corp. Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp. Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
System froze again, but took some serious beating before it died. Sure enough it froze when I left tty1, so I do not have a picture of the kernel panic. Attached you will find the last words of the kernel. The kernel talked about problems with iwlagn and the microcode. ** Attachment added: kernel-output.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26770176/kernel-output.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Gerhard, I would like to test a 2.6.27 kernel to add information to the bug. Being relatively new to Ubuntu, could you please point me to a documentation about downgrading the kernel? Will I have to compile a vanilla kernel to do so? Thank you, Marc -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: syslog.0 http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670895/syslog.0 ** Attachment added: BootDmesg.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670896/BootDmesg.txt ** Attachment added: CurrentDmesg.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670897/CurrentDmesg.txt ** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670898/Dependencies.txt ** Attachment added: HalComputerInfo.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670899/HalComputerInfo.txt ** Attachment added: Lspci.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670900/Lspci.txt ** Attachment added: Lsusb.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670901/Lsusb.txt ** Attachment added: ProcCpuinfo.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670902/ProcCpuinfo.txt ** Attachment added: ProcInterrupts.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670903/ProcInterrupts.txt ** Attachment added: ProcModules.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670904/ProcModules.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: syslog http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670976/syslog -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: Xorg.0.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26670996/Xorg.0.log -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Memory test results attached (sorry for the bad picture - not easy to take one with a glossy display and a G1 mobile... ;) ** Attachment added: 2009-05-13 16.31.21.jpg http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26675047/2009-05-13%2016.31.21.jpg -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
This is my experience as well. Ubuntu Studio x64 Jaunty -- Fresh install -- Was able to, luckily, get all updates so far -- No other issues. I'll add that my network is wired. Disabling networking stabilizes the system, while re-enabling networking brings freezes on again. Any degree of network activity may cause a complete freeze. REISUB also has no effect. I'll add my logs below (hopefully without a hard reset and booting into Windows). -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: Lspci_vvnn.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26675353/Lspci_vvnn.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: Dmesg.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26675373/Dmesg.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: Syslog.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26675436/Syslog.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: DaemonLog.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26675450/DaemonLog.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: Lsusb_v.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26675467/Lsusb_v.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
** Attachment added: XOrg.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26675399/XOrg.txt -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
I've also added my daemon log as it seemed that there may be something of interest in there. Also please realize that I was disabling and re- enabling my networking so as not to experience freezes while gathering logs and such. I also waited to see if there would be a freeze after the latest updates, and there was. Additionally, it seems that I experience freezing more often than does Marc, the original bug reporter. I'm surprised that I haven't had a freeze while uploading my logs, in fact. -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 375986] Re: Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss
Same freeze with following hard- and software here: GA-K8VT800 (Pro) motherboard with VIA K8T800 Chipset CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ Graphic: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] Network: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029 (no wireless) Fresh Ubuntu Jaunty, Kubuntu and furthermore Ubuntu Studio installed. Freezes with both kernels. In contrary to the original poster REISUB is working. Changing network driver of ATI card and Kernel to version 2.6.30rc doesn't help. I have downgraded to kernel 2.6.27 and there isn't any freeze since 5 days now! -- Recurring system freezes upon network activity, possible data loss https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375986 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
