[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-18 Thread Vish
@charles : It is sad to see this bug is being hand-waived without actually 
giving us steps to debug the issue. and saying that the user needs to prove it 
is transmissions fault! 
why dont you try to give us some steps to debug this issue? and then tell us 
its not transmission's fault!

there are screenshots of users facing the problem that is the info *we* can 
provide.
If we knew about torrent protocols and if we knew how to debug, wouldnt we let 
you know already?

The problem here is not the over-head , but why isnt transmission trying to 
control the overhead even when we explicitly set the global limits?? [comment 
#15] 
Then what is the purpose of having a global limit if it cannot control global 
transfer? 
How are other clients able to control this global transfer[including over-head] 
too?
Vuze does this very well,  if we set a global limit then it *is* honored. 

If transmission devs dont want to fix the issue, it's up to you folk. 
But mentioning it as an invalid bug is wrong. This bug is *not* invalid.
We are facing the bug and we have provided the info we can. The bug is valid. 
Not fixing it is upto you.. :-)
No debug info was requested , so not incomplete. 
It's a wont fix rather. Its just lack of interest in debugging from the 
transmission devs. 
Setting as wontfix instead since the intent[comment #27] seems to just close 
this bug.

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-18 Thread charles

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Status: Won't Fix = Invalid

** Attachment added: Deluge, capped at 15 up and 15 down
   
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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-18 Thread charles

** Attachment added: KTorrent, capped at 15 up and 15 down
   
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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-18 Thread charles

** Attachment added: Monsoon, capped at 15 up and 15 down
   
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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-18 Thread charles

** Attachment added: Transmission, capped at 15 up and 15 down
   
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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-18 Thread charles

** Attachment added: Vuze, capped at 15 up and 15 down
   
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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-18 Thread charles
Daniel Lee gave an intelligent explanation about why the amount of piece
data being transferred isn't the same as the overall network footprint,
and you dismissed this as hand waving.

So I've spent the last 45 minutes doing snapshots of different
BitTorrent clients to demonstrate that this behavior in all BitTorrent
clients, not a simple Transmission bug.

HOW TO READ THESE SCREENSHOTS

Each screenshot shows a different BitTorrent client downloading the same
Ubuntu ISO torrent with speed capped at 15 KB/s both ways, next to a
gnome-system-monitor showing overall network use.  As a visual aid I've
added a horizontal green line showing the ideal of where a constant 15
KB/s would lie on each g-s-m network graph.

 How are other clients able to control this global transfer[including 
 over-head] too?
Vuze does this very well, if we set a global limit then it *is* honored.

No.  As the screenshots show, Vuze has the same behavior.  In fact, if
you look at the magnitude and frequency of its deviations from the 15
KB/s goal, you'll see that it actually does much worse than
Transmission.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-09-17 Thread charles
Daniel Lee's comment is right on the money.

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-04-16 Thread Daniel Lee
The amount your computer uploads and the amount transmission uploads are
not strictly related. Transmission doesn't take into overhead when
limiting upload speed. Your transfers will incur some overhead due to
the bittorrent protocol and potentially DHT. If you're doing something
else on the internet, say watching youtube, there will be further
overhead that is completely outside of transmission's control.

Unless somebody can show definitively that transmission is not honoring
its own speed limits then I think this should probably be marked
invalid.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-03-31 Thread Dvanzo
I can confirm this bug. Ubuntu 9.10, Transmission 1.75. See the attached
image... Transmission show to you uploading at 10 KB/s but it's
uploading at 30 KB/s...

Regards,

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-03-20 Thread las
I confirm bug is still there.clicking that turtle nor setting it by star
icon doesnt work

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-03-20 Thread Vish
Sadly due to this bug i had to switch back to vuze :(
Transmission is great with memory but when I set the limit to 15KB/s , it never 
controls speed.
Hope this bug is fixed soon.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-26 Thread Vish
I'm not sure , why/what Lonnie is confused  about the wording there. I
dont see any confusion there.

But the problems still remains that transmission does not control the
speed according to set limits.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-25 Thread charles
Under Preferences  Speed, you can set the global speed limits.

Under Torrent  Preferences, you get a dialog with the torrent's name in
the titlebar, and an Options tab that gives you a checkbox [x] Honor
global limits.

What is the source of confusion?  This seems straightforward.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-24 Thread David Nielsen
It seems to honor the global limit but not the time constrained limits.
Perhaps it is getting wrong time data or ignoring it?

** Bug watch added: Transmission Trac #2907
   http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2907

** Also affects: transmission via
   http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2907
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-24 Thread David Nielsen
Could be:
http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2907

which is fixed in the 1.9.1 release

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-24 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: transmission
   Status: Unknown = Fix Released

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-24 Thread charles
Upstream ticket 2907 is not the same issue as this ticket.

** Changed in: transmission
   Importance: Unknown = Undecided

** Changed in: transmission
   Status: Fix Released = New

** Changed in: transmission
 Remote watch: Transmission Trac #2907 = None

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-24 Thread Lonnie
Charles, yes, by limiting granularly, I'm talking about limiting speed
for a particular torrent instead of the limiting speed for all torrents
globally. Transmission's interface isn't intuitive regarding this
distinction. One thinks they are limiting globally, when they are
actually limiting particular torrent's bandwidth only. Then, when they
monitor their bandwidth globally, they think Transmission isn't honoring
their settings. See vuze, for an interface that makes a clearer
distinction for this.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-24 Thread David Nielsen
I set te limit at 47 kb/s upload, however currently it is happily going
at 100-150 kb/s with 20 torrents. The same thing happened with 3
torrents. It has only started happening in Lucid since the 1.90 upgrade.
The version released to fix the ratio bug was fine.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-23 Thread Krzysztof Klimonda
** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Low

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-23 Thread Vish
I'm using Transmission 1.90 (10221) in Lucid.

I find this bug very difficult to use transmission :( 
If transmission is running, browsing the web becomes very difficult.I have to 
shutdown the torrent or transmission completely.

How I'v configured transmission is:
- Global Upload and download speeds : 15kb/s : 5kb/s
- I download only on torrent at a time and i find the problem more with 
torrents with good number of seeds. 
- limited speed are at 5kb/s : 5kb/s 

Why I'm having to set these so low is ,since the speed limits are never
honored for the good torrents...

The partial workaround for now is to go in the torrent properties and
set the speed limit for each torrent but that works only a few times ,
and that too isnt very effective always.

Note however , that transmission window in the list shows the limits are
being used but the speed reading from the conky/system monitor and the
inability to web browsing indicate the speeds are being maxed out.

Attaching screenshots.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-16 Thread Everthon Valadão
I'm afraid it's not an UI problem, but a *resource management* problem:

It's very simple to verify: set your max global upload speed to X KB/s,
then seed something and when Transmission status bar show X KB/s upload
speed, check at the Ubuntu System Monitor or conky or /proc/whatever
and you will realize that transmission isn't uploading at X KB/s but at
something close to 2X KB/s!

So, transmission doesn't honor the (global) speed limits.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-16 Thread Everthon Valadão
BTW, I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 with Transmission 1.75 (9117) and previous
versions also had this issue.

$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 9.10

$ uname -a
Linux valadao-desktop 2.6.31-20-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 8 09:02:26 UTC 
2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux

$ apt-cache policy transmission-gtk
transmission-gtk:
  Installed: 1.75-0ubuntu2.2
  Candidate: 1.75-0ubuntu2.2

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Confirmed

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-16 Thread charles
We'd like to figure out what's causing this bug for you, but we haven't
heard back from you in a while. Could you please provide the requested
information? Thanks!

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-16 Thread Lonnie
Perhaps the confusion arises from the UI. Intuitively, it doesn't make a
clear separation between when you are rate limiting globally and when
you are rate limiting granularly.

This confusion leads to the user, thinking they have limited the global
rate, when they've actually limited the rate of a particular download.
See Vuze. They have a global rate limiter in the bottom-right corner. To
limit on a file basis, it requires clicking on that file. That's more
intuitive and should be emulated in my opinion. I'm still using vuze,
but I may switch soon.

Mainly, it need to be abundantly clear whether you are limiting
globally or limiting granularly, while your are doing it. Until this
is more clear, I suspect you'll have additional bug reports due to this
confusion. This is usability bug.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-02-16 Thread charles
I don't understand what you mean when you quote the phrase limiting
granularly.  Transmission doesn't use that terminology anywhere.  Are
you referring to the per-torrent speed limits?

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2010-01-15 Thread charles
Sorry for taking so long to respond to this.

In the time that's passed, the Lucid pre-releases now ship with a beta
version of Transmission 1.80.  Does this problem still persist in
Transmission 1.80?

** Changed in: transmission (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-12-11 Thread Strecker
The upload limit is set to 5 KB/s currently, but Transmission still
sends with 105 KB/s. All torrents are set to honor the global settings
and the temporary limits are off. It really doesn't matter what settings
I use. It always uses my full upload capacity. This way I'm never able
to seed for long.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-12-06 Thread Everthon Valadão
@charles, try this:

- open Transmission and set the max download and upload speeds to half your 
network capabilities;
- then add some torrents (e.g. ubuntu-9.10 i386, amd64 and remix releases);
-  watch the network usage with the System Monitor and the alleged speed at 
Transmission status bar

You will notice that the consumption will far exceed the limits you
configured, specially for the upload.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-12-04 Thread charles
I can't reproduce this behavior and am not sure how to proceed on this
ticket.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-10-30 Thread Everthon Valadão
Same here: usually the global max upload speed isn't respected at all. I
have to set they to about half the desired value to get something
slightly close to what I want.

R1) The alternative speeds are turned off, but, anyway, they are configured 
exactly the same as the global speeds;
R2) All my torrents are configured to honor the global limits, so no per 
torrent speeds (and I have something about 3-5 simultaneous downloads)
R3) Transmission usually fluctuates *high above* the global max speeds, with an 
average of 1.5-2.0 times the global max speeds, specially for upload speeds.

I tried to perform some traffic shaping via trickle but I had no success (i.e. 
`trickle -d 50 -u 10 transmission`).
BTW, rtorrent religiously respect the global max speeds and this is why I 
prefer it over transmission nowadays.

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-10-26 Thread charles
Thank you for taking the time to report this and helping to make Ubuntu
better.

I've known Transmission to fluctuate above the speed limit for a brief
period, and don't consider that to be a serious bug.  But if you're
getting =sustained= 75 KB/s or more when the speed limit is set to 10
KB/s then that would be a problem.

Things to check:

* Are alternative speeds turned on?  (Is the turtle icon lit?)  If so, what 
are there settings?
* Do you have any per-torrent speeds set?  Are any of them set to ignore the 
global limits?  (See the Properties - Options dialog for each torrent)
* When Transmission goes up to 75 KB/s, is it for a moment or two, for 10 
seconds or more, or is it a constant, sustained speed?

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-10-26 Thread Lonnie
It is indeed sustained; it never reaches anything close to the
limitations I've set. This was a very large collection, could that be
relevant? Sometimes extremes aren't anticipated while coding.

Call me if you need me to test something:
http://www.lonniebest.com/Phone/

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-10-26 Thread charles
Okay that answers the third question.. and the first two?

Also, how many torrents are you running at once?  If multiple torrents,
Is the speed all coming from one or two of them, or is it spread out
across all of them?

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[Bug 460733] Re: Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences

2009-10-25 Thread Lonnie

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34373370/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: ProcMaps.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34373371/ProcMaps.txt

** Attachment added: ProcStatus.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34373372/ProcStatus.txt

** Attachment added: XsessionErrors.txt
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34373373/XsessionErrors.txt

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Transmission bit-torrent doesn't honor speed limitation preferences
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