[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
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[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
** Changed in: kdebase Importance: Unknown => Medium -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to kdebase in ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 Title: kdesu will not start apps -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-b...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
er, s/hardy/feisty/ -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Marking as wontfix - hardy has been EOL'd. ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu Feisty) Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Unable to open kate, konqueror using kdesu. I'm using Mint 4.0 miniKDE CE. KDE v3.5.8. After rebooting, I was able to use kate and konqueror with kdesu. -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
** Changed in: kdebase Status: New => Confirmed -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for kdebase in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
** Changed in: kdebase Status: Fix Released => New -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Assigning to backports. ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu Feisty) Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Backporters (ubuntu-backporters) ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu Feisty) Importance: Undecided => High -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for kdebase in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
I absolutely agree with dAniel. -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for kdebase in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
This seems to be an important bug, which should get fixed in Feisty, too - if possible. ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu Feisty) Status: Unconfirmed => Confirmed -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for kdebase in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Bug seems to fixed in Gutsy, marking as fixed released. Please re-open if you come across this bug. ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Fix Released -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for kdebase in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Yes, I'm seeing this problem also. :) I'll keep an eye on this bug report, though I presume it'll be closed shortly. :) -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for kdebase in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
** Changed in: kdebase (upstream) Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Team, which is a bug contact for kdebase in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
** Bug watch added: KDE Bug Tracking System #115898 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115898 ** Also affects: kdebase (upstream) via http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115898 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- kdesu will not start apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50971 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
"A workaround is to run 'sudo rm /var/run/sudo/yourusername/*'." ...except that you can't do this, because the shell fails to replace the "*" with the correct filenames (it doesn't have read permissions to the directory). You would have to do a 'sudo ls' on the directory and remove each timestamp ticket separately, manually entering the correct filename. The following works better: 'sudo su' 'rm /var/run/sudo/yourusername/*' 'exit' About other workarounds (from bug #72545): - Opening a couple new instances of Konsole occupying some new pts's should normally help. - Also, you can set the option "timestamp_timeout=0" in '/etc/sudoers', which will force 'sudo' to always ask for the password. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
On Monday 26 February 2007 21:24:15 ^rooker wrote: > Neither running "sudo -k" nor "kdesu -s" makes kdesu functional again. That's because "sudo -k" only removes the timestamp corresponding to the current pseudo terminal, and kdesu starts sudo on a different pseudo terminal. A workaround is to run "sudo rm /var/run/sudo/yourusername/*". This removes the timestamp files for all pseudo terminals. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Forgot to mention, that this causes incredible confusion when trying to open "administrator mode" in KDE's system settings - the frame turns red and nothing happens. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Just wanted to add that I can reproduce this bug with Feisty (everything up-to-date, so I guess I'm running Herd 4?). Here's how I can reproduce it: - Open Konsole - #kdesu kate - Enter password - Immediately after Kate opened, close it (click on close-icon in upper-right corner) - #kdesu kate #ps aux shows some stuck processes related to this: myuser 7984 1.7 3.0 124812 15584 pts/2S+ 21:20 0:00 kdesu kate root 7987 0.0 0.0 5692 376 pts/4Ss+ 21:20 0:00 /usr/bin/kdesu_stub - root 7990 0.0 0.2 26324 1084 pts/5Ss+ 21:20 0:00 /usr/bin/sudo -u root /usr/bin/kdesu_stub - Neither running "sudo -k" nor "kdesu -s" makes kdesu functional again. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Also, I wonder if anyone can reproduce upstream. Thoughts. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Hobbsee, this error seems to just be the application that has sudo privalages does not release these permissions (fast enough). Anyone want to try to tackle this one? -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Marking 72545 a dupe of this, and setting this to high importance. Now that we know where the problem actually is, we're more likely to be able to fix this. (as opposed to it being random) ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => High -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
N.B.: If this misbehaviour of kdesu is deemed to be caused by the same causes as that from bug #72545, which IMO seems quite likely, (and not due to some different cause,) there is some relevant information also in that report. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Okay, things appear to be slightly more complicated. Here's an excerpt of the processes running when the bug appears. ?S 0:00 \_ kdesu -u root -c adept_manager 5558 pts/1Ss+0:00 | \_ /usr/bin/kdesu_stub - 5561 pts/2Ts+0:00 | \_ /usr/bin/sudo -u root /usr/bin/kdesu_stub - Since sudo performs an exec() and thus gets out of the way once it has succeeded, this means that kdesu has run sudo twice. The first time appears to be due to the call of checkNeedPassword() at kdebase/kdesu/kdesu/kdesu.cpp:338. This is the instance on pseudo terminal pts/1, which probably caused kdesu to think that it needed no password (see my explanation in the previous post). This explains why kdesu does not show the password prompt. The second time is the real sudo attempt. However, because - for some reason - the kdesu_stub from the first attempt is still hanging around, the second sudo is started on the second pseudo terminal. Therefore, this second sudo attempt does require a password and therefore hangs during sudo. Now the code in ConverseSU() in kdelibs/kdesu/su.cpp looks like it should take care of that problem, but apparently it doesn't. The effect is that according to backtraces, the kdesu process is already in ConverseStub(), while the sudo child process is still waiting for a password. So it looks like there are two problems in the code, which together cause this bug: 1) Kdesu uses checkNeedPassword(), but this function is fundamently unable to predict whether the next sudo attempt will prompt for a password or not. The code as it currently stands is inherently racy and makes assumptions that are fundamentally ***wrong***. 2) Some problem in ConverseSU() or the surrounding code causes us to miss the fact that sudo is still waiting for a password. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Okay, I take that back. I'm almost certain that bug #72545 is a duplicate. The following steps reproduce the bug reliably for me: 1. Open Konsole 2. Do a sudo -k to get a clean slate 3. Run e.g. sudo ls (just some arbitrary, not too-complex command; sudo dmesg works as well) 4. exit (this should close Konsole) 5. Immediately launch Adept No password dialog will appear, kdesu will hang. Here's an explanation attempt (with my very limited knowledge about sudo): Whenever you make a successful sudo attempt, sudo records that somewhere in order to save you from having to retype your password. Now sudo must somehow remember the context in which you made that successful attempt, so it stores the terminal that in ran on. In step 3, this happens to be some pseudo terminal. In step 4, you close that pseudo terminal, but obviously sudo won't know that, so the record of the successful sudo attempt is still there. In step 5, kdesu launches sudo, using a pseudo terminal for communication. It will just use the first available pseudo terminal, which happens to be the one that we just closed. Sudo will see the applicable record and thus not prompt for a password. Kdesu gets confused by that and hangs forever. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Definitely sounds like bug #72545 is could be a duplicate, but I couldn't say for certain. Whenever I suffered this bug, I was definitely working with Konsole as well, though I'm not certain whether I had invoked sudo manually. I tried reproducing both this bug and bug #72545 per the given instruction right now, but no such "luck", i.e. I couldn't reproduce either of them. Unfortunately, this bug has always appeared to be quite non-deterministic. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Could this be related to bug #72545 in some way? -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
I got this bug again using an installation of Kubuntu Feisty Herd-2 with recent updates. Again I attached to the kdesu process, and the backtrace looks as in my comment just before this one. This time, I also remembered to attach to the corresponding kdesu_stub and create a stacktrace: (gdb) bt #0 0xb7fcd410 in ?? () #1 0xbfa3ee94 in ?? () #2 0x0400 in ?? () #3 0xb7fca000 in ?? () #4 0xb7f3ce93 in __read_nocancel () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #5 0xb7ede4d8 in _IO_file_read_internal () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #6 0xb7edf8a0 in _IO_new_file_underflow () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #7 0xb7edff9b in _IO_default_uflow_internal () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #8 0xb7ee12fd in __uflow () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #9 0xb7ed5096 in _IO_getline_info_internal () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #10 0xb7ed4fe1 in _IO_getline_internal () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #11 0xb7ed3f8a in fgets () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #12 0x08048ebf in main () at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.5a.dfsg.1/./kdesu/kdesu_stub.c:203 #13 0xb7e92ebc in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #14 0x08048bd1 in _start () Some shallow further "analysis": (gdb) up #12 0x08048ebf in main () at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.5a.dfsg.1/./kdesu/kdesu_stub.c:203 203 in /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.5a.dfsg.1/./kdesu/kdesu_stub.c (gdb) print i $4 = 0 It seems that not much at all happened during the communication. If somebody can give any hints as to how I could help track down this bug, please do tell me. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
This bug happened to me twice so far, but I cannot reproduce it reliably either. My system: Kubuntu 6.10, recently updated. It happened in the System Settings, trying to get into Admin Mode. I installed kdelibs-dbg and kdebase-dbg and attached gdb to the kdesu process that seemed to hang. The kdesu command line was: /usr/bin/kdesu --nonewdcop --n kcmshell System/userconfig --embed 41945746 --lang de The backtrace was: (gdb) bt #0 0xe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1 0xb7a3fb43 in read () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #2 0xb7bd160a in PtyProcess::readLine (this=0xbfd58ff4, block=true) at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.5/./kdesu/process.cpp:218 #3 0xb7bd61cd in StubProcess::ConverseStub (this=0xbfd58ff4, check=0) at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.5/./kdesu/stub.cpp:85 #4 0xb7bd9194 in SuProcess::exec (this=0xbfd58ff4, password=0x0, check=0) at /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.5/./kdesu/su.cpp:198 #5 0x08050053 in main (argc=-1208796089, argv=0xbfd58b80) at /build/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdesu/kdesu/kdesu.cpp:422 #6 0xb79978cc in __libc_start_main () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 #7 0x0804e001 in _start () I hope that helps. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu) Assignee: Paolo Sammicheli => (unassigned) Status: Needs Info => Confirmed -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Clean kubuntu 6.10 install (+ devtools): fails often. Workaround: kill kdesud Tried to reproduce it, but it is not deterministic. If you start a few apps (or the same app a few times) in a row, it fails. Sometimes it just fails on first start, once in a while it works flawlessly. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 16:29 +, Paolo Sammicheli wrote: > Hi SteveG, hi everybody > > Thanks for taking the time to report this bug. > > May you confirm us if that bug can be reproduced on edgy with all > update? I can't reproduce it > > Thanks in advance > > > ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu) > Assignee: (unassigned) => Paolo Sammicheli >Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info > Greetings, I just tested kdesu on edgy, and it seems to work. Cheers, Steve G -- Steve Glasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Well my previous comment was from 10 days ago, on an up to date Edgy, so unless something changed since then... btw I don't remember it being deterministically reproducible - I haven't noticed any specific series of steps that would recreate this every time (though maybe I just didn't notice the steps involved). But it happened often enough to be noticeable (and annoying) ever since I first installed Dapper, and still happened as recent as two weeks ago. As I mentioned, this mostly happened when I was tinkering around with the System Settings - opening and closing them, browsing and modifying various settings in various sections of the configuration, checking out different setting values, rebooting, etc. - basically exploring the whole system (being an experienced Windows user taking his first steps in Linux :-) ) -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
Hi SteveG, hi everybody Thanks for taking the time to report this bug. May you confirm us if that bug can be reproduced on edgy with all update? I can't reproduce it Thanks in advance ** Changed in: kdebase (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) => Paolo Sammicheli Status: Unconfirmed => Needs Info -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
I'm on Edgy, with the same problem, and not only in Konqueror. Also "kdesu Kate" and "K-Menu -> System Settings -> Administrator Mode" fail. I *think* this happens after using 'Administrator Mode' button in system settings - it works the first time, but sometimes after that it does not work a second time and neither do the other apps. A restart solves the problem. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
This happens to me on Kubuntu Dapper with all the updates. "kdesu konqueror" fails sometimes to open Konqueror in root mode. I also noticed this failure in some other applications, for example Adept fails to start sometimes. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
further trial and error shows that konqueror is the only app that will not open with kdesu. Other apps do open, eg kate, kcontrol, etc. -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 50971] Re: kdesu will not start apps
using kubuntu lts 6.06 with all updates; -- kdesu will not start apps https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
