[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Is this the french canadians translation team? So why don't ask to english team to fix this bug? It affect English speaking people from Canada... So why ask to french translation team to fix a english speaking problem? It is'nt a bug right now... It's a lack of english speaking user's involvment... Merci, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 Title: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Also... I vote for a choice at the installation. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 Title: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Is this still a problem with current releases? I've installed a bunch of servers lately, and have selected Canada each time, but it always defaulted to a US Keyboard, as it should. Can someone give detailed steps on how to reproduce this bug with a current release of Ubuntu? Thanks. ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 Title: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Not a bug...Agreed. Jeff Nelson 613-447-5484 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Alexandre Jodoin 548...@bugs.launchpad.netwrote: So I guess that we all agree that this is not a bug... -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu French Canadian Translators, which is a bug assignee. Status in Ubuntu Translations (internationalization and localization): Triaged Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: The Default Keyboard layout for Canada is French in ubuntu server 9.10. Most Canadians don't speak French, Most Canadians who do speak French can also speak English or at least use an English keyboard. The default keyboard layout for Canada when no language is specified should be English. This is a serious problem for anybody trying to install ubuntu server in Canada. -Mike Brunt- -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
I'm not sure I understand what this bug is about. Using the desktop installer, selecting a canadian timezone will always default to a US keyboard. If a Canadian multilingual keyboard is needed, it must be manually selected at the keyboard layout screen. This makes sense to me, as most Canadians want a US keyboard layout. @captainMike: I suspect when you say you pick all the Canadian defaults, you are also selecting inadvertently the Canadian keyboard, which isn't what you want. Simply leave the default choice on the keyboard layout screen, which is US, and you'll get what you want. -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
So I guess that we all agree that this is not a bug... -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Most Commands are in English. We're talking about a Server OS. English keyboard layout should be the default (not that it would make a big difference, anyway, most useful keys are at the same place). And before raising the whole political crap, I'm French (from France) living in Montreal, so I'm all for bilingualism and all that...but even in France, on a server OS, it is definitely faster and more practical to use an English keyboard layout, so it would make sense having it default. Desktop is a whole another story, of course... So bug, sure, but not priority IMHO... -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Assigning the bug to French Canadian translators to provide more input on that. ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu French Canadian Translators (ubuntu-l10n-fr-ca) -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
WHERE IS THE BUG? The Default Keyboard layout for Canada is French in ubuntu server 9.10. Most Canadians don't speak French, Most Canadians who do speak French can also speak English or at least use an English keyboard. The default keyboard layout for Canada when no language is specified should be English. This is a serious problem for anybody trying to install ubuntu server in Canada. I don't see a bug with that, I think you're just talking about POLITICS, nothing to do with COMPUTING... If you don't like french it's not the problem of the french canadians or quebecers. I see your comment as INAPROPRIATE Can you expose the real BUG? Your're just insulting all the french people in thins contry... I can tell the same, MOST CANADIAN WHO DO SPEAK ENGLISH SHOULD ALSO speak FRENCH... or at least use a FRENCH CANADIAN keyboard. The default keyboard layout for CANADA when no language is specified should be FRENCH CANADIAN. Here we have a problem the REAL PROBLEM should be the lack in the configuration about asking which KEYBOARD LAYOUT you wanna use. Don't mix politics with that! Le bogue est une question POLITIQUE, rien à voir avec l'informatique, ne faites pas la gaffe de soulever un débat politique. J'ai déjà à suivre vos écrits en anglais même si c'est pas ma langue et je trouve désolant que par dépit ça doit toujours se passer en anglais car vous êtes des anglophones... le choix du type de clavier doit être obligatoire afin de ne pas avoir ce genre de commentaire ridicule. For the english people who don't know french, just LEARN IT! as we did with english. have a nice day... passez une belle journée! -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
El dc 04 de 08 de 2010 a les 11:14 +, en/na Steve Nadeau va escriure: WHERE IS THE BUG? The Default Keyboard layout for Canada is French in ubuntu server 9.10. Most Canadians don't speak French, Most Canadians who do speak French can also speak English or at least use an English keyboard. The default keyboard layout for Canada when no language is specified should be English. This is a serious problem for anybody trying to install ubuntu server in Canada. I don't see a bug with that, I think you're just talking about POLITICS, nothing to do with COMPUTING... If you don't like french it's not the problem of the french canadians or quebecers. I see your comment as INAPROPRIATE Can you expose the real BUG? Your're just insulting all the french people in thins contry... I can tell the same, MOST CANADIAN WHO DO SPEAK ENGLISH SHOULD ALSO speak FRENCH... or at least use a FRENCH CANADIAN keyboard. The default keyboard layout for CANADA when no language is specified should be FRENCH CANADIAN. Here we have a problem the REAL PROBLEM should be the lack in the configuration about asking which KEYBOARD LAYOUT you wanna use. Don't mix politics with that! Le bogue est une question POLITIQUE, rien à voir avec l'informatique, ne faites pas la gaffe de soulever un débat politique. J'ai déjà à suivre vos écrits en anglais même si c'est pas ma langue et je trouve désolant que par dépit ça doit toujours se passer en anglais car vous êtes des anglophones... le choix du type de clavier doit être obligatoire afin de ne pas avoir ce genre de commentaire ridicule. For the english people who don't know french, just LEARN IT! as we did with english. have a nice day... passez une belle journée! Steve, I'd like to ask you to keep the tone down, as it had been before your comment. We're just trying to determine which is the best default keyboard option for Canada, nothing else. If you think the default should stay as French, that's absolutely fine, but it be more useful to provide some real data as feedback, and keep the discussion for forums or more appropriate mediums than a bug tracker. Thanks. Regards, David. -- David Planella Ubuntu Translations Coordinator www.ubuntu.com / www.davidplanella.wordpress.com www.identi.ca/dplanella / www.twitter.com/dplanella -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Steve, 1. The original reporter didn't mean to harm with the statement you are commenting, he is just stating a fact: According to the 2006 census, English and French are the preferred language (...) of 67.1% and 21.5% of Canadians, respectively, says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoken_languages_of_Canada . Nothing to do with liking french or not, he means the default should be focused at the 67%, especially given the 21% also speak English 2. All caps screaming is useless, disrespectful, and opposed to the Code of Conduct. 3. No need to translate this to French, the official language here in LP is English and there is no doubt about that Good day everybody. -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
David... I've suggested to force the choice of the keyboard layout at the installation point, then for that there is no bug, just something to change in the installation process... have a nice day! -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Ronan... Your talking about a cencus in an ENGLISH site, do the same in a FREN site you will have 80% in favor of the other, just cause not all french people go to the english site, the same for the english people, they don't go to french site... then, my suggestion is to force the choice of the keyboard layout at the installation. the caps was just to emphase on it no more... just to adjust the subject of the bug... Good day! -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
I would also vote for a choice of keyboard if Canada is the selected country. Imposing a layout (one way or another) will only lead to politics... Not what we want here... Steve; Je travailles dans un milieu anglophone... Et ça m'épate à chaque fois de voir que les francophone utilise le layout anglais... J'ai beau leurs expliquer qu'ils peuvent écrire en anglais avec un clavier français (juste à pas mettre d'accents...), leur argument est que pour la programmation, c'est plus simple avec le layout anglais... Mais je suis pro-choix. Et je pense que d'offrir le choix (au lieu d'en imposer un) est la meilleur solution... -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Being a French-speaking Québécois, I understand that language choice in Canada can be a touchy subject, but I have to agree that the default language for Canada should be English, simply because English is the majority language in the country. When Ronan speaks of a census, he doesn't talk about a survey on an English site, he's talking about the Canadian census that is done every 5 years by Statistics Canada, and which comprises the answers of all participating citizens, from coast to coast. Now, to circumvent these frustrations, and to give this issue a positive outcome, I would suggest that Québec be recognized as a nation within the keyboard layout settings. Québec has already been recognized as a nation within a nation by the federal government (on November 22, 2006), and as such could be entitled to its own keyboard layout. I don't believe in no-win scenarios. I think the solution I am proposing is elegant, relatively easy to implement, and satisfactory to all parties involved. -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Thanks for the clarification, Daniel! Yes these statistics seem to be official, so it could be a good starting point to (like David pertinently reminded) gather some data and act accordingly. Default choice aside, there could be other ways to investigate (don't know if ubiquity allows this) 1. there could be English *and* French at the top of the keyboard layout dropdown when Canada is selected 2. or maybe the layout could be determined according to the position/city clicked on the map? (clicking near Vancouver would preselect English, clicking on Montréal would preselect French) -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Mike, there is no such thing as an English Canadian keyboard layout. There is two variants of Canadian keyboards: multilingual, and French- Canadian. The multilingual variant as the é left of the right Shift, and the question mark is Shift-6 (just like the French-Canadian variant, BTW). If you are indisposed by the presence of accent on your keyboard, defaulting to the Canadian multilingual layout is not what you want. It is my understanding that most computers sold in Canada are equipped with a US keyboard (ie, no accent anywhere). Defaulting to Canada multilingual or French for these computer is, indeed, wrong as the keys would not match. Mike, if you want to advocate that the default keyboard layout in Canada should be US, be my guest. Otherwise, users of US keyboards will have to explicitly chose the US layout. -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
I just checked in Windows, and it seems like it default to the US keyboard layout when you chose English (Canada) as your default input language. The system I checked on was installed as English (US), so I am not entirely sure whether it is the default behavior at install time. Can someone with a Windows or Mac computer configured for the English (Canada) locale check which keyboard layout is configured by default? -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Hi, Using country name instead of language name is a bad habit, in my point of view. Canada multilingue work well for me + USA keyboard layout for programming jav On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Etienne Goyer etienne.go...@canonical.comwrote: I just checked in Windows, and it seems like it default to the US keyboard layout when you chose English (Canada) as your default input language. The system I checked on was installed as English (US), so I am not entirely sure whether it is the default behavior at install time. Can someone with a Windows or Mac computer configured for the English (Canada) locale check which keyboard layout is configured by default? -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu French Canadian Translators, which is a bug assignee. Status in Ubuntu Translations (internationalization and localization): Triaged Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: The Default Keyboard layout for Canada is French in ubuntu server 9.10. Most Canadians don't speak French, Most Canadians who do speak French can also speak English or at least use an English keyboard. The default keyboard layout for Canada when no language is specified should be English. This is a serious problem for anybody trying to install ubuntu server in Canada. -Mike Brunt- -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
I am a francophone Québécois too. I found the initial messages here a bit hilarious. To give a little bit of perspective, I am a Dvorak typist, so I use the Canadian French Dvorak keyboard layout (which is available in GNOME, but not in server versions, as far as I know). You don't see me shouting from the rooftops. It's not as easy as it seems. Don't think there are only two keyboard layouts out there. Besides, what about the vast amount of foreign-born Canadians? A canadian using a russian keyboard layout is not impossible, for example. The only way to not displease and not get into politics is to offer the choice. Just add the damn option to set the keyboard layout and be done with it :) -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
Hello I suspected this may be a touchy subject. Sorry if i have offended anybody. My only point was that Ubuntu is supposed to be about being easy to use and this is the second time I have done an install of Ubuntu picking all the Canadian defaults only to find many of the keys on my keyboard are not behaving as they normally do. I am not a language keyboard expert but I know it was more then a few keys in different places. This is the keybord that came up by default It is quite different. I have linked an image below. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/KB_Canadian_Multilingual_Standard.svg /800px-KB_Canadian_Multilingual_Standard.svg.png Most computers in Canada have us keyboards. Although I admit multilingual keyboards are becoming easier to get. here in Nova Scotia I have seen a few laptops in retail stores labeled with us and multilingual keys. Anyway I think the official Canadian stats show a good cause for either a us keyboard default with a clear way to select a multilingual option, or a forced keyboard selection with no default. I should also mention that I have only had this happen with the command line installer. I recently did some checking and us keyboards are the default in the gui installer. Windows and Mac both default to US keyboards for Canada. -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 548787] Re: French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10
** Also affects: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- French Default Canadian Keyboard 9.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/548787 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
