[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
lucid has seen the end of its life and is no longer receiving any updates. Marking the lucid task for this ticket as Won't Fix. ** Changed in: kino (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 Title: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kino/+bug/6290/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Kino isn't the only important one that is broken by a lack of a thoughtful fix. VLC is also affected for people like myself that NEED to be able to stream LIVE video from a professional DV camera over a wireless network, and finally export it several miles away at a television transmitter site for our viewers to watch. This morning I was supposed to broadcast a parade from 5 miles away... I started on this problem at 4AM and missed the 9AM parade start. Just because a person CAN kill others with an automobile does not mean we should all have our cars taken away for everyone else's safety and along the same lines raw1394 access that WAS working perfect before, should be allowed back. Instead give users a security panel where they can check a box to disable raw1394 if they have no use for it, and they can leave it unchecked if they NEED full access. I am writing this post because there is little else I can do, but I had to do SOMETHING My job at a television station depends on my being able to live stream an 8Mb/s stream from a DV camera any time there is a parade, breaking news story, or other reason to require high quality live video to be transmitted from all points across town... Our station does not have the $300,000 for a microwave truck and astronomical yearly fees for the satellite link... I am forced to use 2 watt radios on empty 802.11 channels, employing 4 degree beam width mesh antennas, to avoid disrupting other people's wireless connections. There's no way our viewers would stand for USB web cam video without laughing us off the air. I can technically do it in Windows... but Windows is not stable enough to trust for parade, rodeo, job fairs, auto racing, and other long duration live broadcasts. Please don't break my ability to stream high quality video with VLC running on a laptop in a backpack for a 20Lb solution that includes the camera and everything in a portable package Or I should say, it's already broken... please return the functionality removed If the VLC team needs to help work out a suitable driver, please do work with them... I am pretty sure they are open to assistance making this work as well. Thank you for your time, Eric -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 Title: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kino/+bug/6290/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Re comment 87: Eric, thanks for describing your use case. I was vaguely aware that VLC has IEEE 1394 video capture modules, but it is interesting to learn that somebody used (is using) it as a means to deliver DV over network. There are two IEEE 1394 modules in VLC: DC1394, implemented by modules/access/dc1394.c, for cameras which send uncompressed video over 1394 according to the IIDC a.k.a. DCAM standard (industrial cameras, some old webcams), and DV1394 alias dv alias raw1394, implemented by modules/access/dv.c, for camcorders, perhaps tape decks etc. which send DV over 1394. From VLC v1.0 to VLC v1.1, these VLC access modules have been converted to libdc1394 v2 and to libraw1394 v2, respectively. These updates to current low-level library API versions should mean that VLC should work with current kernels and current udev, which should provide the following interface: a) The single global /dev/raw1394 no longer exists. b) Instead, the kernel provides /dev/fw0, fw1, fw2, ..., one file for each IEEE 1394 node (including the local node, i.e. the controller card). These device files are binary incompatible with /dev/raw1394 but are functionally 90% compatible with /dev/raw1394. c) Udev should set group ownership or/and access control lists for the video group or/and the current console owner or some other suitable owner for each /dev/fw* device file which corresponds to a video device, e.g. DV camcorder. d) libdc1394 v2 and libraw1394 v2 are able to automatically select the proper /dev/fw* device file for device control and capture. e) libdc1394 v2 based or libraw1394 v2 based application programs don't notice any of that, since they let the libraries deal with the kernel's device files. Currently I don't have Ubuntu myself (I have got Gentoo Linux but am subscribed to this bug because I am involved in FireWire kernel drivers maintenance and libraw1394 maintenance), and I never tried VLC's IEEE 1394 video capture modules. I will configure my VLC installation to include these modules, try if they work here (they should work in principle), and report back. PS, kino should work out-of-the box on recent Ubuntu versions, using libraw1394 v2. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 Title: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kino/+bug/6290/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Tested: - VLC 2.0.3, libraw1394 2.1.0, libdc1394 2.2.0, kernel 3.6-rc7, udev 171, Gentoo Linux - miniDV camcorder JVC GR-D725E - IIDC (DCAM) webcam Apple iSight - VIA VT6306 based CardBus FireWire controller - Texas Instruments XIO2213A/B based PCIe FireWire controller vlc dv:// and vlc dc1394:// automatically pick up the camcorder or webcam respectively and display live video. Sound of the DV stream is played as well. I did not try network streaming. (Never tried it before and did not figure out how to set up stream output.) The VT6306 controller does not work very reliably: For example, if VLC is stopped and restarted with kill -STOP $pid and kill -CONT $pid, the DV stream is frozen. This is a known issue between VT6306 and current kernels which is also seen with some other capture programs; the VT6306 does not properly restart its DMA after a period of inactivity of the capture process. The Texas Instruments controller does not exhibit such a problem, as expected. Somewhat older software revisions should work as well. libdc1394 and the VLC dc1394 are irrelevant for DV. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 Title: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kino/+bug/6290/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
** Changed in: kino (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 Title: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kino/+bug/6290/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
DV Grabbing doesn't work in Maverick for me. I tried a lot to use dvgrab or kino on my Camcorder (sony VX1000E) without much success Blacklisting didn't work reliable. However, I googled an old thread on However, googled an old thread: http://osdir.com/ml/kernel.firewire.user/2005-07/msg1.html Disabling irm does the trick for me. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 Title: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Steffen, please open a new bug for this (this is different) and leave a short note with the new bug number here so that I can have a look. Or mail the bug description to one of linux1394-u...@lists.sf.net or linux1394-de...@lists.sf.net. These mailinglists are open for posting without prior subscription. Thanks. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 Title: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: kino (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
This is at least in part a Kernel related issue. There are two firewire stacks in the kernel, the old one (which this bug was originally opened against) which has serious security configurability issues, and a new one which has them resolved. For many of the recent releases both the firewire stacks have been available, but the older one selected by default. From Maverick this choice has been reversed such that the new stack is the default. This should resolve the security handling of the interfaces and resolve this issue for kino on maverick and later. Please let us know if you are testing on Maverick and this is not the case. For Lucid the switch to the new stack by default was deemed to risky before release as it is an LTS. Therefore we went with the old stack on Lucid, but the new can be selected by switching the blacklisting in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-firewire.conf. Now that Lucid is released we cannot just change the default over to the new stack for everyone, the regression potential is too great for an LTS. However there are several work-arounds available, switching to the new stack, changing the group on the bluetooth devices, or running the applications with more priviledge via sudo. Based on this I am going to close the Maverick task for the kernel Fix Released, and close the Lucid task for the kernel Won't Fix. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Andy Whitcroft (apw) ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: New = Fix Released ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Status: New = Won't Fix ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu Lucid) Assignee: (unassigned) = Andy Whitcroft (apw) -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Thank you, Andy, for your sensible and lucid explanation. ;-) -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Samsung VP-D371W PAL Affected by it as well - now working. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Panasonic NV GS120 Affected by it as well - now working. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
** Also affects: baltix Importance: Undecided Status: New -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
same bug with my panasonic NV-GS17.. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Hi all, you can count me as one user affected by the bug: I own a Panasonic NV- GS22 (a cheap, quite diffused camcorder) and I had to follow the comment/uncomment + update-initrams path, with some success in Ubuntu Lucid. However, I still cannot control my camcorder from the PC --- I start playback manually --- and sometimes the stream is not captured at all. Which was working perfectly in a previous Ubuntu release. I'll be happy to be more precise, if this is of interest in this forum, but I can survive in the current situation. Thank you Augusto -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
I learned that you must update the initrd images after changing the blacklist file: sudo update-initramfs -k all -u -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Stefan Richter [2010-05-20 22:23 -]: - The udev rules for firewire-core's files are fine; I referred to the missing rule for raw1394. It's not missing in the oops, forgot sense. It just doesn't make sense to give all users complete control for all firewire devices, that's not how device management is supposed to work in the kernel. There is apparently a lot of missing kernel support here, but unsafe hacks around that won't be accepted upstream. You are of course welcome to add one locally if you are in a trusted or single-user environment. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
There is apparently a lot of missing kernel support here There is nothing missing in the new stack. And what is missing in the old stack could have been added to it if development manpower would have been available, or better yet, development and deployment of the new stack could have been sped up with developer and tester manpower. unsafe hacks around that won't be accepted upstream Do you mean upstream udev? They also accepted Ubuntu's video1394 and dv1394 rules that had typos in them such that they never matched. (Or they added the typos themselves when they merged Ubuntu's rules, I don't know. Commit 41e7f557.) The fact that they removed the raw1394 rule (commit a8cf7cf) with a mere pointer to this distro bug here but without an own analysis of costs vs. rewards or without checking back with raw1394/ libraw1394 developers also shows that upstream is not in a position to judge what is safe and unsafe. You Ubuntu developers OTOH (a) kept confusing device security with host security and raw1394 flaws with ohci1394/sbp2 flaws, (b) never analyzed the actual risks, (c) never analyzed the costs of the rule removal, (d) never researched potential alternatives. Upstream udev simply trusted your judgment, which was a mistake. (And I didn't push for a revert when I noticed this because I thought that the new firewire drivers would show up in distributions any day now or distributors would at least begin to ask for them, which was a mistaken belief on my side.) One more word on hacks: Ubuntu's raw1394 rule removal was initially motivated by host security implications but did not in fact solve them, because that's the wrong point to go at. It's ohci1394 and a feature of it on which sbp2 relied. You are of course welcome to add one locally if you are in a trusted or single-user environment. That's 1990's Linux mindset. This is an unacceptable hack too. You OTOH were of course welcome to discuss your concerns and requirements with upstream kernel/ library/ application developers when you removed the rule in Ubuntu, or at least later when this change went upstream. I'm not even talking about contribution of tests or code. Hmm, maybe I should have taken initiative two years ago (that's when transparent dual stack capability was implemented in libraw1394 by Dan) and should have pushed for the new stack to be provided by default in Ubuntu. The then half-working new stack might have been preferable to the mostly non-working old stack as configured in Ubuntu. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
I finally got a chance to setup 10.04 on a machine with FireWire, and the changing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-firewire.conf has no effect! It still loads ohci1394 and not firewire-ohci. Why? -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Did you blacklist dv1394 and video1394 as well? Does an /etc/modprobe.conf exist on Ubuntu? If yes, regenerate it by update-modules or delete the file. modprobe ignores /etc/modprobe.d/* if /etc/modprobe.conf exists. Does the initrd contain ohci1394? Hard to tell how to check that, as I never create and use initrd myself. Maybe dmesg gives away whether ohci1394 was loaded early. OTOH, that should lead to _both_ modules being loaded, not only ohci1394. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
There is no /etc/modprobe.conf. Yes, there is an initrd and 'mkinitramfs -v -o /dev/null | egrep '1394|firewire' shows both subsystems included. Not sure the best to resolve this. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
I agree with Dan's comment #68 except for the FFADO status. As the status message that Dan quotes correctly states, new kernel drivers + libraw1394 + FFADO are working together since end of 12/2009. The only issue is that a small fix in FFADO _may_ (or may not) be required that came after the FFADO release v2.0.0. (I believe that fix was not required in my own testing.) Everybody is still holding their breath for a 2.0.1 maintenance release or the much anticipated 2.1 feature release of FFADO --- except Debian who simply package current FFADO trunk which works fine. Hence Ubuntu or Ubuntu Studio et al should already have a fine FFADO package too. I guess we as upstream need to communicate more clearly that the new drivers should be used by default now, and the old ones blacklisted or disabled entirely. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
PS: Nice work, Ubuntu maintainers. Instead of helping upstream to get the raw1394 security issue resolved, your only contribution was to create a huge support workload for the various affected upstream projects. Not to mention the damaging user experience that you provided to your users, and later to users of several other distributions too when you pushed your ill-advised udev rules upstream. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Blempis (comment 66), I think your first attempt to fix this (comment out blacklisted firewire modules) did not work because you either did not uncomment the ieee1394-based modules (ohci1394 - video1394) or because you did not reboot. If you did not uncomment the legacy modules, then they might have started first and acquired the hardware. Stefan, is there something wrong in the udev rules now? What is it that you are referring to? -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Re comment 71: - If both stacks are installed but none blacklisted, then the kernel's driver core should first attempt to bind firewire-ohci before ohci1394. This is tied to the build order in the kernel's build system. However, it may go wrong for one or another reason; e.g. ohci1394 present in initrd or whatever. - The udev rules for firewire-core's files are fine; I referred to the missing rule for raw1394. (BTW, I hope that we as upstream stay in control of firewire udev rules now, but I'm afraid I cannot monitor udev development as closely as desirable.) -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Ubuntu 10.04 didn't solve the problem. Not even this trick wasn't effective any more: you have to add # to blacklist firewire-ohci to prevent blacklist was blacklist firewire-ohci Now # blacklist firewire-ohci I tried this too: In Ubuntu 10.04 Paste this in your terminal: echo 'KERNEL==raw1394, GROUP=video, MODE=0664' | sudo tee /etc/udev/rules.d/50-raw1394.rules sudo restart udev If the tips in this guide do not work please file a bug in launchpad against Kino. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewire So, here we are. This was uneffective as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9285205 By the way, this bug pops up every now and then while it is actually several years old! Ubuntu / Kino should detect the Camera and ask (for security reasons) whether this found device should be connected. For some reason the Ubuntu team is not so eager to solve this issue. They really should while there is no simple and proposed solution for capturing video from a camcorder. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
The new firewire subsystem and udev rules to enable permissions for camera devices for members of group 'video' is in the kernel package in 10.04! Unfortunately so is the legacy ieee1394 stack, and guess which one starts up by default on my box? You guessed it: ieee1394 - sigh. Can anyone locate a ticket or document that explains why ieee1394 is still preferred over firewire? Go ahead and read /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-firewire.conf. Then, edit it to uncomment the non-firewire lines and comment out the firewire lines. Can anyone really blame me for no longer working on Kino? Thank god new cameras are all file-based. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
According to /usr/share/doc/module-init-tools/changelog.Debian.gz, you all can go blame Andy Whitcroft and Tim Gardner for what appears to be an arbitrary decision: supposedly backwards compatibility. Uh, nearly all applications use libraw1394, and I build backwards compatibility into that! For more information, the changelog entry references bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/276463 But those comments are from 2008! Here is the current status: http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/1316 So, basically, the multitude of camcorder owners are being sacrificed for the handful of pro-audio firewire interface users. I do not have anything against FFADO, and its maintainer is a great guy. And even though I maintain libraw1394 (as little as possible admittedly), I do not have an audio interface to work on this firsthand nor the motivation to do so. At some point, we need to decide to move on and sacrifice the few stragglers. FFADO users should have been the ones forced to change their blacklist file. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Does anyone know if this new firewire stack is going to make it into Lucid Lynx / 10.04 to solve this problem once and for all? -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Good to hear from you and thanks for the explaination As for me it stopped working for a day and it stated working beautifully again... well all is settled and now i can edit my videos... Thank you and cheers! On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Stefan Richter stefan-r-...@s5r6.in-berlin.de wrote: Re comment 61: Now i do not know what are the implications of unblocking the firewire-ohci, but that was the solution that made my kino/kdenlive worked beautifully The implication is that you switched from ohci1394 + ieee1394 + raw1394 ( /dev/raw1394 ) --- libraw1394 + libiec61883 + kino to firewire-ohci + firewire-core ( /dev/fw* ) --- libraw1394 + libiec61883 + kino i.e. to different newer FireWire kernel drivers and a different character device file interface. This is basically what the blueprint Enable new Firewire stack in default kernel config is about. (See box at the right side of this page.) The new kernel drivers are simpler, better performing, more compliant to specifications, and more secure than the older drivers. In contrast to Ubuntu's raw1394 access policy, firewire-core's device files are created with more liberal access permissions for devices which need to be (and are safe to be) accessed by userspace programs such as kino. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in “kino” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Duncan Lithgow reopened this bug. In Ubuntu 8.10 importing dv over firewire does not just work with Kino 1.3.0 I'm back at the familiar message: WARNING: raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394 My first guess is that this is because someone forgot to set the flag needed during the build to enable support for /dev/dv1394/0 (in the video group) which is not enabled by default... by default there is only access to /dev/raw1394 (in the disc group) which we've agreed is not the best solution for most users. Running Kino as root does not (strangely) get around this problem. I get the same error messages plus one about no camera being detected. It just switches between them. To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kino/+bug/6290/+subscribe -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Re comment 61: Now i do not know what are the implications of unblocking the firewire-ohci, but that was the solution that made my kino/kdenlive worked beautifully The implication is that you switched from ohci1394 + ieee1394 + raw1394 ( /dev/raw1394 ) --- libraw1394 + libiec61883 + kino to firewire-ohci + firewire-core ( /dev/fw* ) --- libraw1394 + libiec61883 + kino i.e. to different newer FireWire kernel drivers and a different character device file interface. This is basically what the blueprint Enable new Firewire stack in default kernel config is about. (See box at the right side of this page.) The new kernel drivers are simpler, better performing, more compliant to specifications, and more secure than the older drivers. In contrast to Ubuntu's raw1394 access policy, firewire-core's device files are created with more liberal access permissions for devices which need to be (and are safe to be) accessed by userspace programs such as kino. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
I had similiar problemdid all i found on the net..eg give permission rights to raw fileload the module manually...nothing worked...UNTIL. I looked into blacklist-firewire.conf, thats when i realised that onchi was blacklisted So what i did? 1)edit /ect/modprobe.d/blacklist-firewire.conf remove the # from blacklist firewire-ohci eg was # blacklist firewire-ohci Now # blacklist firewire-ohci Save and reboot system. Start Kino with admin rights and it all worked well for me... Now i do not know what are the implications of unblocking the firewire-ohci, but that was the solution that made my kino/kdenlive worked beautifully cheers! -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
oops sorry... Read This you have to add # to blacklist firewire-ohci to prevent blacklist was blacklist firewire-ohci Now # blacklist firewire-ohci cheers -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
This is terrible... I am not an expert what so ever, but I have choosen to run linux, as a alternative to Windows. I am looking for a SIMPLE download fix, so that I can capture movies through firewire. If linux continues to be so complicated, it will NEVER, be a alternative for the normale user. I can see that it is a safety issue, but for me we are talking about a SONY Videocamera and a cable to plug in to the computer. ( I would be better to advice me during installation, that LINUX do NOT support firewire port. I am running Ubunto 9.10, and Kino 1.3.3 (Kino is an IEEE 1394 DV non-linear video editor. http://www.kinodv.org/) using a Sony DCR-HC42E PAL My error code is raw1394 kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394 I must use the command sudo chmod a+rw /dev/raw1394 everytime, but the biggest problem is actually that I have to plugin the camera to use the program. So when i have copied all the scenes to the computer, you can work and edit the scenes without having the camera installed. But when you want to export it to example mpeg or what ever, you cant the following error Error setting the IEEE 1394 port (host adaptor) So the fact that I went from windows to Linux was the free software, but as I can see here, this problem has been there for around 4 years now!! Best regards Robert, Denmark -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Robert Petersen wrote: I am running Ubunto 9.10, and Kino 1.3.3 [...] the biggest problem is actually that I have to plugin the camera to use the program. So when i have copied all the scenes to the computer, you can work and edit the scenes without having the camera installed. But when you want to export it to example mpeg or what ever, you cant the following error Error setting the IEEE 1394 port (host adaptor) This is a different bug. You could report it separately in a new bug entry. But before that, please test the current version of Kino first (version 1.3.4), which appears to be available as a package now. (I saw that Debian packaged it, hence I guess it is also available on Ubuntu. I don't have Debian or Ubuntu myself.) So the fact that I went from windows to Linux was the free software, but as I can see here, this problem has been there for around 4 years now!! Free software means, among else, that distributors and/or users can fix problems themselves if they have the necessary knowledge or experience. And indeed, the /dev/raw1394 permissions problem - does not exist on several other distributions than Ubuntu, - can be fixed by Ubuntu users by adding a local udev rule (there is guidance somewhere on the Ubuntu wiki (help.ubuntu.com) as well as on the upstream wiki, see comment 55), - is going to be fixed in Ubuntu as well in a future release, when Ubuntu fully switches to newer kernel drivers which implement a superior device access concept and thus address the security concerns that were brought up by Ubuntu package maintainers and many others. On the other hand, free software does _not_ mean that everything works immediately or is being fixed for you, at no cost, in a matter of hours. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
I am aware about the free software, is done many hard working idealist, and I am grateful for that. But sometimes it just get's to much. So what you are are saying Stefan Richter is that I can swift to another distrubution? which one is simular to Ubunto? I am thinking Suse Linux? to be the the must user friendly? You are also saying to upgrade Kino, and there we have the problem for me.. This is not like windows.. So i can download I file.. wauw.. noting happends...?? So reading on the that net.. I have to compile the package I think i stop here.. becaurse this is appantly something the a LINUX user must learn first. By the way, it is not another bug, when typing sudo chmod a+rw /dev/raw1394 in terminal (which also is something I have been forved to learn) that issue is also away.. But don't get me wrong, I love the idea of open source and free distributions, just hoped for a little bit more userfriendly software. Best Regards Robert. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
2010/1/9 Robert Petersen rob...@konweb.dk: You are also saying to upgrade Kino, and there we have the problem for me.. This is not like windows.. So i can download I file.. wauw.. noting happends...?? So reading on the that net.. I have to compile the package I think i stop here.. becaurse this is appantly something the a LINUX user must learn first. You can try downloading a package from Debian Sid (aka unstable), but I can't guarantee that it will install correctly. http://packages.debian.org/sid/kino Choose either i386 or amd64, depending on your type of installation (32-bit or 64-bit). -- ## Przemysław Kulczycki = Azrael Nightwalker ## # Jabber/XMPP/Gtalk/Tlen ID: azrael[na]jabster.pl # # (Co to jest? Zobacz na: http://jabberfaq.info ) # ## www: http://reksio.ftj.agh.edu.pl/~azrael/ # -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
Re comment 56...59: So when i have copied all the scenes to the computer, you can work and edit the scenes without having the camera installed. But when you want to export it to example mpeg or what ever, you cant the following error Error setting the IEEE 1394 port (host adaptor) I tested this with Kino 1.3.3 on Gentoo Linux right now. While it is true that there is a message about failure to set the 1394 port when the Export mode is entered (which starts with the IEEE 1394 export tab up front), this failure does not prevent one from switching to any of the file export tabs and export to a file there. (I tried DV file export.) If file export does not work for you, then it is _not_ related to IEEE 1394 nor to Ubuntu's permission policy.(If it were, then I would have been able to reproduce it on Gentoo Linux.) The recommendation to try Kino 1.3.4 still stands though in case of any remaining export troubles. If an update still does not help --- or if it helps but Ubuntu package repositories (Universe or whatever) do not provide Kino 1.3.4 yet --- then please open a new bug. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 6290] Re: DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394)
I suspect they will fix it in a future Ubuntu release by replacing the kernel drivers ohci1394 + ieee1394 + raw1394 by the kernel drivers firewire-ohci + firewire-core. Presently, those newer drivers are already shipped in Ubuntu's kernel packages in parallel with the older drivers. The older ones are the default and the newer ones can be enabled by editing a respective system configuration file (kernel module blacklist, http://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration #How_to_suppress_auto-loading) as administrator. Well, the other possible workaround on current Ubuntu also requires editing or creating a system configuration file (udev rule file for raw1394, http://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#How_to_get_access_to_raw1394_as_unprivileged_user.3F). I doubt that the Ubuntu udev maintainer will suddenly reconsider his preference and re-introduce such a raw1394 rule, therefore expect to have to wait for a next release (Lucid perhaps?) to get this bug fixed by a switch to firewire-core as default kernel driver. -- DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/6290 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
