[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: vim (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/666565/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: eglibc (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/666565/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
From the latest comments, I'm unsure about the status. Is there anything else needed to fix this bug? ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Triaged = Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/666565/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Importance: High = Low -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/666565/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
This was fixed in language-selector, which is what I originally reported it against. I'm not sure why it's marked as affecting ubuntu- translations. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/666565/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
We track all i18n and l10n bugs under the ubuntu-translations project to have a better oversight on them. Thanks a lot for the feedback, marked it as Fix Released there. ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: Incomplete = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/666565/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Not going to apply a large Ubuntu specific patch for this in langpack- locales. This should get fixed in upstream glibc or not at all IMHO. ** Changed in: langpack-locales (Ubuntu) Status: New = Won't Fix -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/666565/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/ubuntu/lucid/gdm/lucid-backports_sec- update ** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/ubuntu/maverick/gdm/maverick- backports_sec-update -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/lucid-backports/language-selector ** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/maverick-backports/language-selector -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/lucid-backports/gdm ** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/maverick-backports/gdm -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Fixes of this bug for Lucid and Maverick are now available in official backports packages. To make Synaptic check for backports updates you can do: o System - Administration - Update Manager - Settings... o Select the Updates tab and check the Unsupported updates option. More about Ubuntu backports: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Branch unlinked: lp:~gunnarhj/language-selector/language-menu2 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/ubuntu/lucid/language-selector/lucid- backports ** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/ubuntu/maverick/language-selector /maverick-proposed ** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/ubuntu/lucid/gdm/lucid- backports_langfixes ** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/ubuntu/maverick/gdm/maverick- proposed_langfixes -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
This bug was fixed in the package gdm - 2.32.0-0ubuntu8 --- gdm (2.32.0-0ubuntu8) natty; urgency=low [ Gunnar Hjalmarsson ] * debian/patches/36_language_environment_settings.patch: - Use locale names with '.UTF-8' instead of '.utf8' when setting the LC_MESSAGES environment variable (LP: #666565). * debian/patches/40_one_lang_option_per_translation.patch: - Modification of /usr/share/gdm/language-options so an absent translation directory won't cause it to exit. -- Evan Dandrea e...@ubuntu.com Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:53:38 + ** Changed in: gdm (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
This bug was fixed in the package language-selector - 0.13 --- language-selector (0.13) natty; urgency=low [ Gunnar Hjalmarsson ] * LanguageSelector/gtk/GtkLanguageSelector.py: - Ensure that main or origin country is included when country specific options for a language are shown (LP: #710148). - Do not let an absent translation directory make the program crash (LP: #714093). * data/LanguageSelector.ui: - Shorter label to describe the second tab (LP: #709855). * LanguageSelector/macros.py: - Use locale names with '.UTF-8' instead of '.utf8' when setting LC_* or LANG environment variables (LP: #666565, #700619). Thanks to Lauri Tirkkonen for the patch! -- Evan Dandrea e...@ubuntu.com Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:13:04 + ** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/gdm ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
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[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
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[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
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[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
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[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Branch linked: lp:~gunnarhj/gdm/language-menu2 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
I prefer the canonical names myself (i.e. en_IN rather than en_IN.UTF-8), but either should be OK. Parsing /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED is *easier* than parsing the output of 'locale -a', and I think it's safer than trying to draw inferences from details of the latter's output. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Copied from #ubuntu-devel, for the record: Gunnar Hjalmarsson: Thanks! Then, how about just replacing .utf8 with .UTF-8 to start with, and introduce parsing of .../SUPPORTED later on, if the simplistic solution proves to not suffice? Colin Watson: it would likely be an improvement, at least Gunnar Hjalmarsson: Ok, then I include .utf8 = .UTF-8 in a couple of MPs, so we get it confirmed that it's an improvement, to start with. ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: gdm (Ubuntu) Status: New = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
As from version 2.32.0-0ubuntu2, gdm (ubuntu) may assign locale name to LC_MESSAGES. ** Also affects: gdm (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: gdm (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
There seems to be a consensus of opinion that the encoding part of locale names, that are assigned to the LANG or LC_* environment variables, should be .UTF-8 rather than .utf8. I'm currently working on language-selector and GDM with other language/locale related matters, so I can include the necessary changes in a couple of merge proposals in pipeline. Before I do so, and since I don't have an own idea on to which extent the changes would create new issues, I'd like that someone triages the bug with respect to language-selector and gdm (ubuntu). I'd also need help to draw a conclusion from the reasoning below. On 2011-01-25 12:54, Colin Watson wrote: ... software that parses locale strings in ways that only handle particular spellings of them tend to be buggy in other ways. For example, such buggy software can easily fail to handle LANG=en_IN as a UTF-8 locale, even though it's defined as such in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED (the .UTF-8 suffix is mainly for dealing with locales that previously had a non-UTF-8 version, and some newer locales just went UTF-8 from the start). Doesn't that point towards simply appending .UTF-8 to e.g. en_IN, irrespective of the name according to /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED? I did this test: [gunnar@gunnar-laptop ~/sandbox]$ sh $ cat mytest.po msgid hello msgstr hello from India $ dir=/usr/share/locale/en_IN/LC_MESSAGES $ sudo mkdir -p $dir $ sudo msgfmt mytest.po -o $dir/mytest.mo $ LANGUAGE='' $ LC_MESSAGES=en_IN $ echo $( gettext -d mytest hello ) hello from India $ LC_MESSAGES=en_IN.utf8 $ echo $( gettext -d mytest hello ) hello from India $ LC_MESSAGES=en_IN.UTF-8 $ echo $( gettext -d mytest hello ) hello from India $ exit [gunnar@gunnar-laptop ~/sandbox]$ No complaints, and gettext found the Indian 'translation' in all three cases, so en_IN.UTF-8 seems to work. Or would that name cause other apps to fail? Getting back to the original patch, the general idea seems OK to me, but I think it would be helpful for it to take a slightly different approach to implementation. Rather than just appending .UTF-8, I suggest searching /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED for a suitable match for the language, country, and variant which has UTF-8 as the second column. That way, language-selector will always select the canonical user-visible name for the locale, even if it's one of the interesting cases such as en_IN where the canonical name doesn't have an encoding suffix. Even if we would go for the canonical names, I don't think it's necessary to parse /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED. [gunnar@gunnar-laptop ~]$ locale -a | grep -F en_IN en_IN en_IN.utf8 [gunnar@gunnar-laptop ~]$ As you can see, the special case en_IN is represented by two items in the 'locale -a' output. We ought to be able to make use of that info. This example shows how the English locale names might be grabbed: [gunnar@gunnar-laptop ~]$ sh $ tmp=$( locale -a | grep -xvE C\|POSIX ) $ no_enc=$( echo $tmp | grep -vF .utf8 ) $ for locale in $( echo $tmp | grep -F .utf8 | sed 's/\.utf8//' ) do if ! expr $locale : en /dev/null ; then continue elif expr $no_enc : .*$locale /dev/null ; then echo $locale else echo $( echo $locale | sed -r 's/([^@]+)/\1.UTF-8/' ) fi done en_AG en_AU.UTF-8 en_BW.UTF-8 en_CA.UTF-8 en_DK.UTF-8 en_GB.UTF-8 en_HK.UTF-8 en_IE.UTF-8 en_IN en_NG en_NZ.UTF-8 en_PH.UTF-8 en_SG.UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8 en_ZA.UTF-8 en_ZW.UTF-8 $ exit [gunnar@gunnar-laptop ~]$ As you can see, English locale names for Antigua/Barbuda and Nigeria are the same kind of special cases as en_IN. ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Then that's a vim bug - I've opened a task for it. ** Also affects: vim (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
No, it wouldn't be. I think any application that doesn't work with .UTF-8 should be a bug, but not for it doesn't work with .utf8. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Referring to gettext document, which might be not really a standard but shows their attitude about locale, they give .UTF-8 as example, but not mentioning .utf8 at all. http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/gettext/Locale-Names.html#Locale-Names I didn't do detailed research, but in some other major distribution they use .UTF-8 in their official documentations, e.g. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:13:56PM -, Aron Xu wrote: No, it wouldn't be. I think any application that doesn't work with .UTF-8 should be a bug, but not for it doesn't work with .utf8. I entirely disagree. .utf8 is a valid spelling of the locale and it's a bug for applications to fail to work with it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
if we shift to use utf8, what about other distro still use UTF-8? are
we going to ignore the interoperability. In addition, how can we
convince all other user space applications adopt utf8?
I found that UTF-8 is till being used in eglibc, so whats the
advantage to use utf8?
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Colin Watson cjwat...@canonical.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:13:56PM -, Aron Xu wrote:
No, it wouldn't be. I think any application that doesn't work with
.UTF-8 should be a bug, but not for it doesn't work with .utf8.
I entirely disagree. .utf8 is a valid spelling of the locale and it's a
bug for applications to fail to work with it.
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Title:
utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Status in Ubuntu Translations:
Triaged
Status in “eglibc” package in Ubuntu:
New
Status in “langpack-locales” package in Ubuntu:
New
Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu:
New
Status in “vim” package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug description:
Binary package hint: language-selector
LanguageSelector/macros.py explicitly sets the charmap part of locale
strings to utf8 - it should be set to UTF-8 instead. This is
relevant because not all systems alias locale names with the former to
the latter, and compatibility with those systems is broken.
Rationale for this change is that the 'locales' package uses the uppercase
hyphenated format everywhere, even going as far as replacing '.utf8' with it
in one case:
% dpkg -L locales | xargs grep '\.utf8'
/usr/sbin/locale-gen: elif [ $IS_LANG = no ] L=`grep
^${1/%.utf8/.UTF-8} /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED`; then
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Re: [Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
I am not saying that we should shift to use .utf8. I am saying that when the locale ends up as .utf8 for one reason or another, applications must not break. This does not have to be an either/or thing! The primary name for the locales are still generally .UTF-8 and should remain that way. But locale aliases exist and it's only a small number of buggy applications that fail to cope with them. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
If we fix it for users and applications, say, the only visible one for them is .UTF-8, then we can avoid many issues to deal with. It also improves the compatibility when people connect to other distros (like via ssh). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
I agree that it makes sense to present UTF-8 as the primary spelling. Note that I already said above that I agreed that language-selector should be fixed. But it is clearly wrong to deny the existence of locale aliases. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
When I was using GVIM in China , it can not properly display Chinese characters. It can only recognizes UTF-8, not utf8. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
The problem of utf8 and UTF-8 has been there for some time, and there were arguments about it. Let's see: $ locale -a C POSIX zh_CN.utf8 zh_SG.utf8 # locale-gen Generating locales... zh_CN.UTF-8... up-to-date zh_SG.UTF-8... up-to-date Generation complete. The problem is that we have mixed up the use of utf8 and UTF-8, and I think language-selector isn't the root of such problem - it should be a lower level one. Many Ubuntu developers tend to use utf8 instead of UTF-8 because it is defined in eglibc and UTF-8 is now an alias. But we may consider it a bug in the eglibc package in Ubuntu. It has broke many things, many people are confused, work become more complicated. While, I don't mean changing it to UTF-8 can solve all problems, but it might be the right thing. ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: ubuntu-translations Status: New = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
But utf8 has been the canonical form in eglibc for as long as I can remember (at least ten years or so I believe). This isn't something specific to Ubuntu. Changing it seems risky. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Yes, changing is risky. An alternative option is fix this in langpack- locale, and try to make everywhere in the system to use utf8 if any problems occur. A temporary solution to use both utf8 and UTF-8 is of course needed, and it should be just a work around. Such problem tends to cost more and more time to fix issues when users need to change locale settings, and the complexity of dealing related problems are now much higher than ever before. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
I still believe that the best option is to use UTF-8 as the primary user-visible name in environment variables and such (since it's what's in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED), even though it's an alias, but to fix the small handful of things that have trouble when you use one of the other valid spellings. It's not that hard - I've implemented software that does it. The vast majority of locale-aware software doesn't need to care, because it will just do setlocale(LC_ALL, ) and get on with things regardless of whether an alias is in use. It's only a tiny minority of software that does more sophisticated things with locale strings that needs to care. The reason to take this approach is that software that parses locale strings in ways that only handle particular spellings of them tend to be buggy in other ways. For example, such buggy software can easily fail to handle LANG=en_IN as a UTF-8 locale, even though it's defined as such in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED (the .UTF-8 suffix is mainly for dealing with locales that previously had a non-UTF-8 version, and some newer locales just went UTF-8 from the start). This sort of thing is easily fixed by (for example) using nl_langinfo(CODESET) rather than trying to parse locale strings. Fundamentally, locale strings are supposed to be opaque, and anything that parses them had better (a) have a good excuse and (b) read the documentation very carefully to understand what it can and can't do. Getting back to the original patch, the general idea seems OK to me, but I think it would be helpful for it to take a slightly different approach to implementation. Rather than just appending .UTF-8, I suggest searching /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED for a suitable match for the language, country, and variant which has UTF-8 as the second column. That way, language-selector will always select the canonical user-visible name for the locale, even if it's one of the interesting cases such as en_IN where the canonical name doesn't have an encoding suffix. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
Colin's right, of course -- my main issue with this isn't software running locally, but remote systems. That's not trivial though: ssh into some legacy machine, and they might not have compiled your locale at all, or perhaps it's different (such as the case with en_IN). Of course, that's not an Ubuntu bug, but rather a problem with POSIX not separating charmaps from locales. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Tags added: patch -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Also affects: ubuntu-translations Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Also affects: langpack-locales (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Also affects: eglibc (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 Title: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 666565] Re: utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong
** Patch added: Replace '.utf8' with 'UTF-8' in generated locale strings. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565/+attachment/1711201/+files/language-selector-localename.patch -- utf8 charmap in locale name is wrong https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/666565 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
