[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1072019 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072019 Even if bug 1072019 is newer, I marked this bug as a duplicate of it, to show that the issues discussed above are being worked on. ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1072019 date translated in an English system with Italian localization -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/771994/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
** No longer affects: unity ** Package changed: unity (Ubuntu) = ubuntu -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/771994/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
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[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
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[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
ahm , comment was eaten somehow: While I echo Gunnar's comment (date format and date language are two different things), I have found a simliar peculiarity. When clicking on the date in the panel, the panel date language and the popup date language are different. see screenshot. My language situation is similar to Achims's, locale gives LANG=de_AT.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_GB:en LC_CTYPE=de_AT.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_TIME=de_DE.UTF-8 ... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
@Christoph Well, _that_ is easy to reproduce. Somebody couldn't make up their mind. :) IMNSHO, displaying the weekday and month using the current language (i.e. not regional formats) is the preferable behavior. Somehow it seems to be difficult to get the display of dates right; it's confusing on the login screen as well (see bug #777264). Changing the status of this report to a confirmed Unity bug. ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Confirmed ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Assignee: Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
On 2011-04-28 07:11, Achim wrote: as you see, this sentence changed - log in again and so on - it is the whole day there. Doesn't matter whether you change something or not - it's still there. Yes, it's a static text string. Obviously there is room for a more fancy solution, but awaiting that somebody will create such a feature, the static string is better than no info at all, right? Second, changing this setting in 10.10, the clock was set to the regional format. Correct. It's true also in 11.04 Classic Desktop. Why doesn't my languange (for menus apps) change to english (US) if i choose the languages in this order: EN (US), DE, EN. Why do i see german then?! It does change to English. Of course, you need to log out when the languages are listed in that order and log in again. If you claim otherwise, please give us a reproducable use case. (Waiting for your next comment on bug #772928, btw.) Why have i to through out german (in other words: Set it below EN) to have english back? German is the second choice - not the first one. You do not have to do that. OTOH, since English is always available, there is no point with non-English options below English (US). Back to the subject - regional formats: Why does evolution show me the date in my messages header in english? Again: I selected german location. Affected is not only the clock panel, but'it's the first thing i see. Only if i choose the german language for menus and apps, then i get the regional format in german everywhere (clock panel, evolution and so on). Thought I covered that in my last comment. You seem to mix up the _translation_ of weekday and month names with regional _formats_. Now a real-should-be question is: What sense makes this regional format register in language support panel, when everybody does whatever he wants - no matter what you choose there? I think this should be either fixed - or simply remove that register from the language support. Then it's not a bug - it is a removed feature. I see your point there. Please note that the remark in my last comment, about the change being an improvement, referred to the display language of weekday and month names only. The global regional formats setting in Language Support vs. per app settings is worth discussing IMO. Think I'll bring up the topic in e.g. the ubuntu-devel mailing list. Quite a few i18n changes were made in Language Support and GDM during the Natty development phase. Therefore I do appreciate that you challenge the result - it may help us identify things that have been foreseen. But when doing so, it's important to be attentive to details. If you click the Help button in Language Support, you are taken to a new document that explains how it's intended to work. I would recommend that you read that document carefully. My belief is that Language Support and GDM now work as documented with respect to language and locale handling. Possible cases when that is not true are bugs - either in the code or in the docs - that should be fixed soon. Requests for new features is another story. :) Thanks! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
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[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
Thanks for your help to make Ubuntu better by reporting this observation! On 2011-04-27 21:38, Achim wrote: My selected Regional format is DE - but the date in the panel is EN. See screenshot. On the screenshot I read: Changes take effect next time you log in. Did you log out after having set the regional formats option Deutch (Deutchland) and then logged in again? ** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
Please disregard the question I asked in my previous comment, Achim. Just noticed the running-unity tag, and the bug is easily reproducable in Unity. ** Package changed: language-selector (Ubuntu) = unity (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
Hmm.. This is somewhat embarrassing, but I made a couple of further tests, and I'd like to sum up my view on this matter at this time: * The Regional Formats setting in Language Support affects the LANG environment variable, which typically determines the region specific formats settings for most applications. * The display formats of time and date in Unity's top bar are not controlled by the LANG variable, but are instead explicitly set in the Time Date tool that e.g. can be launched from the Control Center. * As regards the weekday and month names, they are displayed in the language that is set on the Language tab in Language Support. Please see the attachment weekday-month-lang-unity.png. I would say that Achim's observation regarding the display language of weekday and month names is not a bug, but it's an improvement compared to how it works in the Classic Desktop (or, if you like, a feature). Before closing this bug, I for one would appreciate confirmations from both Achim and somebody from the Unity team that my latest 'theory' is correct, and that I didn't overlook anything important again. :-/ Awaiting those comments I change the bug status to Incomplete. ** Attachment added: weekday-month-lang-unity.png https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/771994/+attachment/2092373/+files/weekday-month-lang-unity.png ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Incomplete ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 771994] Re: Wrong regional format
Hi Gunnar, as you see, this sentence changed - log in again and so on - it is the whole day there. Doesn't matter whether you change something or not - it's still there. Second, changing this setting in 10.10, the clock was set to the regional format. Now i could startup with further things: Why doesn't my languange (for menus apps) change to english (US) if i choose the languages in this order: EN (US), DE, EN. Why do i see german then?! Why have i to through out german (in other words: Set it below EN) to have english back? German is the second choice - not the first one. Back to the subject - regional formats: Why does evolution show me the date in my messages header in english? Again: I selected german location. Affected is not only the clock panel, but'it's the first thing i see. Only if i choose the german language for menus and apps, then i get the regional format in german everywhere (clock panel, evolution and so on). Now a real-should-be question is: What sense makes this regional format register in language support panel, when everybody does whatever he wants - no matter what you choose there? I think this should be either fixed - or simply remove that register from the language support. Then it's not a bug - it is a removed feature. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/771994 Title: Wrong regional format -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
