Re: Language chooser at login
Progress has been made, and this is a short update. Ubuntu 11.10 was shipped with a language chooser in lightdm-gtk-greeter. Thanks, Robert! Unfortunately - due to time restraints - the chooser is currently broken as regards Ubuntu; see https://launchpad.net/bugs/868346 A proposed fix is available in my PPA at https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/misc I hope it will be uploaded as an update of Ubuntu 11.10. You can help increase the chances for that by installing the PPA package and let us know via a comment on bug 868346 whether it works to your satisfaction. Update on other things that were mentioned in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-July/003165.html: * Shared scripts The shared scripts I talked about are now provided by the accountsservice package. * Storing of language settings In 12.04 we will probably drop ~/.profile as the storing place. PAM has been mentioned as an appropriate tool for actually setting the locale/language environment, and the data will probably be stored in a PAM config file or accountsservice or both. -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Sound settings changes for Precise
(Sorry if you get this message twice; it was suggested to bring this to the ubuntu-desktop mailinglist) Hi! The jack detection stuff I've been working with [1] during the Oneiric cycle is currently somewhat half-baked. What's missing is some UI changes to make this more user friendly. For me it's important to get this done during the Precise cycle, and preferably as early as possible to get some feedback. For me personally I consider this to be the second highest thing on my priority list (the highest one will always be taking care of HWE bugs when they come up) I'm happy to spend my cycles on it as necessary. I know a lot about PulseAudio and how that part is supposed to work, but I'm not a trained designer. As it stands, PulseAudio now provides sufficient information [2] for us to have the possibility to revamp the Sound Settings UI to make it more user friendly. This change was first discussed with Matthew Paul Thomas in June (IIRC), then Harry von Haaren - a summer worker - took on first making some mockups and later, started on an implementation. The implementation was never finished, and I'm not sure how much of it can be reused for the real thing. Also, there is no reason as I see it to not trying to upstream it into GNOME. I don't know exactly how to do that or who to contact about it. We should definitely have a UDS session about this, but I'm not sure whether HWE or DX (or someone else) is the better driver here. So this is mostly an outreach to - hopefully! - relevant people to help me out to finish off jack detection and make it a success in Precise! -- David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd. http://launchpad.net/~diwic [1] http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2011/09/06/pulseaudio-with-jack-detection/ [2] TBH, there are some PulseAudio patches as well, but that's the easy part. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Sound settings changes for Precise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Henningsson wrote on 18/10/11 15:29: ... The jack detection stuff I've been working with [1] during the Oneiric cycle is currently somewhat half-baked. What's missing is some UI changes to make this more user friendly. ... As it stands, PulseAudio now provides sufficient information [2] for us to have the possibility to revamp the Sound Settings UI to make it more user friendly. This change was first discussed with Matthew Paul Thomas in June (IIRC), then Harry von Haaren - a summer worker - took on first making some mockups and later, started on an implementation. The implementation was never finished, and I'm not sure how much of it can be reused for the real thing. ... Can we see these mockups? Thanks - -- mpt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6dmg0ACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecpIiACgnotcBnSCi1j6m8yMXKsvaxNF lIoAoNNosCuWldDtuY66nAQi23U5KyZy =B3zt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Sound settings changes for Precise
Le mardi 18 octobre 2011 à 16:29 +0200, David Henningsson a écrit : Also, there is no reason as I see it to not trying to upstream it into GNOME. Of course, that would probably be welcome! I don't know exactly how to do that or who to contact about it. The relevant mailing lists are gnome-control-center[2] (the module where Sound preferences live) and gnome-usability[1] (for design). You can also start by contacting people on #gnome-design on irc.gnome.org. Regards 1: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability 2: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnomecc-list -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Sound settings changes for Precise
On 10/18/2011 05:23 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Henningsson wrote on 18/10/11 15:29: ... The jack detection stuff I've been working with [1] during the Oneiric cycle is currently somewhat half-baked. What's missing is some UI changes to make this more user friendly. ... As it stands, PulseAudio now provides sufficient information [2] for us to have the possibility to revamp the Sound Settings UI to make it more user friendly. This change was first discussed with Matthew Paul Thomas in June (IIRC), then Harry von Haaren - a summer worker - took on first making some mockups and later, started on an implementation. The implementation was never finished, and I'm not sure how much of it can be reused for the real thing. ... Can we see these mockups? Ok, I have now uploaded the best one here: http://people.canonical.com/~diwic/sound-settings/gvc_ui_final.jpg The two bottom checkboxes will be removed, at least initially. The main point of the redesign is to remove the hardware tab, and have input and output tabs only. There should be one row for every combination of Port/Connector and Card. This is made possible by the new PulseAudio jack detection patches, that enable us to hide non-existing ports (e g hiding headphones that are not plugged in, and phantom HDMI devices [1]), as well as showing ports for inactive profiles. -- David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd. http://launchpad.net/~diwic [1] See this link for more information http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2011/09/06/pulseaudio-with-jack-detection/ -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Sound settings changes for Precise
On mar, 2011-10-18 at 16:29 +0200, David Henningsson wrote: (Sorry if you get this message twice; it was suggested to bring this to the ubuntu-desktop mailinglist) Hi! The jack detection stuff I've been working with [1] during the Oneiric cycle is currently somewhat half-baked. What's missing is some UI changes to make this more user friendly. For me it's important to get this done during the Precise cycle, and preferably as early as possible to get some feedback. For me personally I consider this to be the second highest thing on my priority list (the highest one will always be taking care of HWE bugs when they come up) I'm happy to spend my cycles on it as necessary. I know a lot about PulseAudio and how that part is supposed to work, but I'm not a trained designer. As it stands, PulseAudio now provides sufficient information [2] for us to have the possibility to revamp the Sound Settings UI to make it more user friendly. This change was first discussed with Matthew Paul Thomas in June (IIRC), then Harry von Haaren - a summer worker - took on first making some mockups and later, started on an implementation. The implementation was never finished, and I'm not sure how much of it can be reused for the real thing. Also, there is no reason as I see it to not trying to upstream it into GNOME. I don't know exactly how to do that or who to contact about it. indeed, the sound panel in g-c-c is waiting for a design that hasn't been done yet. So that's why it's just the old PA settings panel ported to GTK and with a couple of improvements (switches instead of check boxes in the 3.3 version), but nothing really big. So yes, it's perfectly upstreamable, but the design needs to go via the GNOME Design team (not waiting for their approval, but using their infrastructure), so the best starting point is: https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Sound cheers -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Deeper Zeitgeist integration. Installation of datasources for default applications etc
Hello, Right now Ubuntu and esp Unity depends on zeitgeist for searches, recommendations etc. Right now only those events are logged by zeitgeist-datahub. It cannot log each and every user event. To increase the logging, there exists datasources which are plugins/addins for applications. For default applications datasources exists for tomboy, gedit, banshee, totem, firefox, empathy (telepathy) and eog. These datasources should also be shipped with Ubuntu. Datasources for thunderbird is in development. Datasources for transmission and shotwell don't exist. It needs to be done. My proposal does not start and end with datasources. We should also include activity-log-manager in the default install. This application is a privacy and history manager. You can blacklist applications, set zeitgeist in incognito mode, erase history etc. If possible, Internet lens can be included by default provided firefox and thunderbird datasources are installed by default. This will help users search for their browsing history and mails too. I will put up an even more detailed plan on the wiki provided this proposal is accepted. In case you don't know who am I. I work mostly on datasources for zeitgeist. Any more clarifications are invited -- Manish -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Sound settings changes for Precise
On 10/18/2011 04:29 PM, David Henningsson wrote: (Sorry if you get this message twice; it was suggested to bring this to the ubuntu-desktop mailinglist) Hi! The jack detection stuff I've been working with [1] during the Oneiric cycle is currently somewhat half-baked. What's missing is some UI changes to make this more user friendly. For me it's important to get this done during the Precise cycle, and preferably as early as possible to get some feedback. For me personally I consider this to be the second highest thing on my priority list (the highest one will always be taking care of HWE bugs when they come up) I'm happy to spend my cycles on it as necessary. I know a lot about PulseAudio and how that part is supposed to work, but I'm not a trained designer. As it stands, PulseAudio now provides sufficient information [2] for us to have the possibility to revamp the Sound Settings UI to make it more user friendly. This change was first discussed with Matthew Paul Thomas in June (IIRC), then Harry von Haaren - a summer worker - took on first making some mockups and later, started on an implementation. The implementation was never finished, and I'm not sure how much of it can be reused for the real thing. Also, there is no reason as I see it to not trying to upstream it into GNOME. I don't know exactly how to do that or who to contact about it. We should definitely have a UDS session about this, but I'm not sure whether HWE or DX (or someone else) is the better driver here. So this is mostly an outreach to - hopefully! - relevant people to help me out to finish off jack detection and make it a success in Precise! FYI, I have now filed: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hwe-p-sound-settings-improvements This might be a cross-team effort so I was quite unsure whether to start with hwe- or desktop- or dx-. Hopefully it doesn't matter too much. -- David Henningsson, Canonical Ltd. http://launchpad.net/~diwic -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop 12.04-Topic] Mozilla upgrade experience
Hi, Note, I've already registered a placeholder blueprint for this [1]. We currently have a couple of problems with the Firefox and Thunderbird upgrade experience, which users of Mozilla's update service don't experience (ie, everybody on Windows, Mac, or anyone using mozilla.org binaries on Linux). 1) A long standing issue we have is that upgrades totally break all currently running instances of Firefox or Thunderbird until they are restarted. This is made worse because we move the install location around between updates, but pulling the rug from underneath any running instance is probably never going to work reliably, even if the install location doesn't change. Note, this isn't just an issue with Mozilla applications - we just notice it more because we update them a lot more frequently than anything else in the archive. As another example, there was a Glade - GtkBuilder transition a few cycles ago, where upgrades between distro-versions broke things such as the currently running instance of gnome-panel [2] due to the glade files being replaced with gtkbuilder ui files. I just wanted to point this out before people start blaming Firefox that this is really a problem with how our package manager works... Upstream are currently planning work around silent updates, and they have a wiki page documenting how their update process will probably work [3]. We might be able to learn some things from this. 2) We have no way of warning people if any of their addons might stop working when we offer them an upgrade. People using upstream builds are notified before an upgrade if any of their addons aren't compatible with the update, and if there are no addon updates available to fix this. Do we want to provide such functionality, bearing in mind: - We haven't had that many bug reports yet from users complaining of addons being incompatible after an upgrade, although there have been 1 or 2. - As of the time of writing, 92% of addons on AMO are compatible with the current Firefox beta (due to be released on November 8th). However, approximately 75% of addons in use are not hosted on AMO [4]. - From Firefox 10 (Jan 31st, 2012), addons are going to default to being compatible, with some exceptions (addons with binary components) [4]. Anyway, some things to think about. Regards Chris [1] - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-mozilla-upgrade-experience [2] - https://launchpad.net/bugs/422568 [3] - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Background_Updates [4] - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Add-ons/Add-ons_Default_to_Compatible -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] gnome-control-center printing capplet vs system-config-printer
Hi, I have seen the earlier posting in this list of the time before I subscribed. I have now created a Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-system-config-printer-vs-gnome-3-control-center Till -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Desktop12.04-Topic] Common Print Dialog
Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-common-printing-dialog Printing out of desktop applications is done/managed by very many different dialogs, mostly depending on which GUI toolkit is used for an application. Some applications like OpenOffice.org have even their own dialogs. This is confusing the users a lot, having them to do the printing operation in many different ways. In addition, many dialogs are missing important features. Finally we got the project of implementing the Common Print Dialog funded and so it will be turned reality in Ubuntu Precise. See also: https://launchpad.net/common-print-dialog-gtk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonPrintingDialog http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/commonprintingdialog Till -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
