Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Il 13/02/2012 04:16, scott ha scritto: On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in making it. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least. Those who REALLY like it (yours truly included) don't feel the urge to start 12567 threads about how much they like it over vanilla Gnome or Window Maker (I absolutely LOVE bot Unity and WM - again, different tools for different purpouses) :) -- Tobia Tesan tobia.te...@gmail.com Marvelous! The super-user's going to boot me! What a finely tuned response to the situation! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Debian,Gentoo,Slackware,Ubuntu I use all four, for different purpouses, of course. You use all four?? GNOME,Unity,KDE,Xfce ohdifferent tools for different purposes ohmy god. Maybe that's why linux desktop market share never greater than 10%. All decisions so far regarding Ubuntu's design and Unity have been made by large groups of people, and every decision has been influenced a lot by user testing and feedback Maybe,because linux desktop developers only have been listening to those users who already are using linux and like it. Maybe... 2012/2/13 Tobia Tesan tobia.te...@gmail.com Il 13/02/2012 04:16, scott ha scritto: On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in making it. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least. Those who REALLY like it (yours truly included) don't feel the urge to start 12567 threads about how much they like it over vanilla Gnome or Window Maker (I absolutely LOVE bot Unity and WM - again, different tools for different purpouses) :) -- Tobia Tesan tobia.te...@gmail.com Marvelous! The super-user's going to boot me! What a finely tuned response to the situation! -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.**com ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-**desktophttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Sorry,It means : users who agree with me,who like me,tasted ubuntu's new version but disappoint it. ...Hn..Obviously you known. After trying Kubuntu I was a bit annoyed. So, maybe full of complaint. (I know that Canonical will no longer provide financial support to the development of Kubuntu after the April release of Kubuntu 12.04.) However,thank you for your work. Maybe, because I'm tired. 2012/2/13 John Rowland Lenton john.len...@canonical.com On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:49 +0800, Ji Cheng lifemo...@gmail.com wrote: *Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! * my apologies, I seem to have missed the vote that made you my spokesperson. Where and when was it? -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Don't mistake the loudest opinions for the majority opinion. There are plenty of people who, like me, really enjoy using Unity everyday. We just don't hijack every blog of Google+ comment thread to say so. ... and more probably than not, there are unfortunately just as much people - like me, who do NOT enjoy their daily unity but do use it devoid of grumbling, because they´re committed to the rest of ubuntu (for months, it seems to me, as if there has merely been a copy of unity on some ISOs or CDs ?)- also without blogging it everywhere (sorry, first time happens here) :-( -- Peace, Thomas sent from Ubuntu -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Life Monad lifemo...@gmail.com wrote: But when I see Unity,I am confused. Did I need test my program on Unity? These desktop env have different API UX. Programs can't do a good seamless integration with desktop env(also file managers such as Nautilus . Konqueror). Every desktop environment has some differences. Many share common APIs. What actually is your point. You should not expect a KDE application to run as smoothly in Unity/GNOME as it runs in KDE. Some integration might be missing. Hn...Ha... Why not GNOME X.X? Great Unification. I like GNOME shell, but again it is personal choice. Use whatever you want Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! I never voted you to be the voice of users. Please speak for yourself. Office suit has changed only once and there is a genuine reason. Window buttons has changed only once. You want a dumb theme? Why drop Unity? Just because you don't like it? Many users like Unity. They just use it with satisfaction without spamming the Internet on how much they like Unity (unlike Unity haters) Now,I choose Xubuntu, never Unity I am happy you found your choice of desktop in the Ubuntu family. I found mine. There is an extremely loud vocal minority which hates Unity, due to which many people fall in a delusion that everyone hates Unity. You want to know what is the problem with any Ubuntu discussion these days? People can't just talk about anything these days without facing the Unity hater crowd. Look at this. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sl8EjF5vsf4/Tzis4sfU5tI/EP0/Pb0Eafp1WmE/s924/unitycommonsense.png I know you are tired. You need rest while the Ubuntu developers are listening to their users and striking a fine balance between satisfying everyone's personal pet wish and developing the desktop which can be used by the majority. The best solution is not just blindly listening to users and doing what they ask for. Sometimes you need to say a firm NO and do what actually is good for everyone rather than listen to someone and fulfill his pet wish. You must have heard this quote from Henry Ford: -- If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse. -- Manish -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
_Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! _ Dear The Voice [1], I've read your posts and I tried really hard to make out what are you trying to tell us. I really did. It seems to me that you are generally displeased with Ubuntu. Other than that, you generated a lot of noise and made much ado about nothing. I don't like peanut butter and you don't see me writing emails to peanut butter companies telling them that their products taste awful and that they should really make something like Nutella. If you have something meaningful to add, to criticize or to tell Ubuntu developers, please do, by all means. Make a list of specific things that are bothering you and present them in a civilized way to the relevant people. You indeed have this option and there are numerous ways on how you can do this, but please, be brief and be specific. When you say: I don't like Ubuntu. Nobody, without a crystal ball or a pack of fortune tellers cards, can't really tell what is bothering you. I do apologize for the rant, but this thread isn't upsetting just my mailbox, it reached my bowels. :/ Regards, David [1] - addressed to the original poster, but for everyone who _knows_ that Unity sucks and they _know_ everybody is running away from Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Why,I did not choose Unity? I am a developer too. Desktop software design principle (Maybe you know) , for end users, they hope every software has similar appearance, .aka. UX. Similar menu layout,keyshortcuts,status bar,notification area.especially,settings panel. Why not improve GNOME if you think it sucks? (OK..,why not improve Unity if I think it sucks...because I won't waste time on it,I think Unity have no significant for end users.They want bug fixes and new useful features softwares adding eagerly , not another desktop env.) BTW:You can image, while user works,he open a new window,...desktop disappears. In spare time ,I want to develop some useful tiny programs which *other platform provided but ubuntu lack of*.(Wine? never be a solution.You must know it.Forget Wine.Develop your own linux desktop software.) But when I see Unity,I am confused. Did I need test my program on Unity? These desktop env have different API UX. Programs can't do a good seamless integration with desktop env(also file managers such as Nautilus . Konqueror). Hn...Ha... Why not GNOME X.X? Great Unification. I am tired. 2012/2/13 Bilal Akhtar bilalakh...@ubuntu.com All decisions so far regarding Ubuntu's design and Unity have been made by large groups of people, and every decision has been influenced a lot by user testing and feedback. And yes, we've been listening to our users. Every. Feedback. Counts. As Michael said, we ourselves are users too. We'd also be considering your opinions if they were constructive. Just saying OMG UNITY SUX IM MOVING TO Insert a DE or distro here. PLEASE FIX UNITY isn't going to help either side. We tend to ignore such threads because of their vagueness. Bilal Akhtar. On 02/12/2012 10:16 PM, scott wrote: On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in making it. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least. Scott -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy silly themes, desktop-effects!
Unity's unique features are either optional or automatic. If you develop your app using Gtk or Qt, you will automatically get the global menu in Unity. Having an XDG .desktop file will automatically allow your app to be placed on the Unity launcher and, you can optionally extend that with Unity Quicklists. The Indicator API exists in both Unity and KDE. If you have more questions about integrating your application with Unity, please take a look at http://unity.ubuntu.com/about/ Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com On 02/12/2012 11:39 PM, Life Monad wrote: Why,I did not choose Unity? I am a developer too. Desktop software design principle (Maybe you know) , for end users, they hope every software has similar appearance, .aka. UX. Similar menu layout,keyshortcuts,status bar,notification area.especially,settings panel. Why not improve GNOME if you think it sucks? (OK..,why not improve Unity if I think it sucks...because I won't waste time on it,I think Unity have no significant for end users.They want bug fixes and new useful features softwares adding eagerly , not another desktop env.) BTW:You can image, while user works,he open a new window,...desktop disappears. In spare time ,I want to develop some useful tiny programs which /other platform provided but ubuntu lack of/.(Wine? never be a solution.You must know it.Forget Wine.Develop your own linux desktop software.) But when I see Unity,I am confused. Did I need test my program on Unity? These desktop env have different API UX. Programs can't do a good seamless integration with desktop env(also file managers such as Nautilus . K onqueror ). Hn...Ha... Why not GNOME X.X? Great Unification. I am tired. 2012/2/13 Bilal Akhtar bilalakh...@ubuntu.com mailto:bilalakh...@ubuntu.com All decisions so far regarding Ubuntu's design and Unity have been made by large groups of people, and every decision has been influenced a lot by user testing and feedback. And yes, we've been listening to our users. Every. Feedback. Counts. As Michael said, we ourselves are users too. We'd also be considering your opinions if they were constructive. Just saying OMG UNITY SUX IM MOVING TO Insert a DE or distro here. PLEASE FIX UNITY isn't going to help either side. We tend to ignore such threads because of their vagueness. Bilal Akhtar. On 02/12/2012 10:16 PM, scott wrote: On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote: Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in making it. Michael Hall mhall...@ubuntu.com mailto:mhall...@ubuntu.com You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least. Scott -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
