Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
John Moser wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson > wrote: >> First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty >> much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). > > I laughed. > > Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any global > scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well > I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the > next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) I beg to differ. I despise maven, but have been unable to avoid using it. It _is_ pretty much required for any significant J2EE development. And no, they're not all moving to .net. -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
You're *seriously* trying to make the argument that a build tool--especially the one that is due to replace Ant--isn't essential to Java developers? [Alvin files John Moser's name in the list of people NEVER to hire as a developer...] On 10/15/2009 01:29 PM, John Moser wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Dustin Kirkland wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Moser wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson >>> wrote: First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). >>> >>> I laughed. >>> >>> Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any global >>> scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well >>> I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the >>> next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) >> >> Hi John- >> >> I'm not a Java developer, but I certainly know of Maven. It is as >> essential to Java programmers as Make is to C programmers. >> > > I think he's overstating the popularity and necessity of a particular > package, to a large degree. There are plenty of Java programs in > Ubuntu; with Maven being dropped, they should all cease to build, and > also be dropped (imagine dropping gmake). Unless, of course, Maven > isn't really essential to anything. > > I could state that a LiveCD build of Nexuiz is essential to a > successful Linux build, because everyone wants to play FPS games and > we can't have a real operating system if you can't just reboot your > computer onto a cleanroom disc with Nexuiz in it. While Nexuiz does > exist, and is fun, it's hardly essential for anything (even flexing > Ubuntu as a gaming platform), and a LiveCD boot to run a single > application is obviously just a pet project of mine. > > I will continue to laugh at people who present anything with *a* user > base as something *essential* to an *entire* class of users, unless it > obviously is and thus dropping it would horribly break Ubuntu's > functionality or drastically alter the user experience for the entire > install base (i.e. libc-dev for C programmers, OpenOffice.org-Writer > or Firefox getting dropped, etc). Something only used by a subset of > a subset of the userbase isn't "required" for that whole subset to > function, just the further subset thereof. > > Again, case in point, if Ubuntu drops Maven and suddenly every Java > application fails to build on the BS, then Maven is "required" for > Java programming. > >> I can't weigh in on the discussion about removing Maven, but I don't >> think it's appropriate to attack Alvin for stating his support of >> Maven in Ubuntu. >> >> :-Dustin >> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Dustin Kirkland wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Moser wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson >> wrote: >>> First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty >>> much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). >> >> I laughed. >> >> Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any global >> scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well >> I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the >> next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) > > Hi John- > > I'm not a Java developer, but I certainly know of Maven. It is as > essential to Java programmers as Make is to C programmers. > I think he's overstating the popularity and necessity of a particular package, to a large degree. There are plenty of Java programs in Ubuntu; with Maven being dropped, they should all cease to build, and also be dropped (imagine dropping gmake). Unless, of course, Maven isn't really essential to anything. I could state that a LiveCD build of Nexuiz is essential to a successful Linux build, because everyone wants to play FPS games and we can't have a real operating system if you can't just reboot your computer onto a cleanroom disc with Nexuiz in it. While Nexuiz does exist, and is fun, it's hardly essential for anything (even flexing Ubuntu as a gaming platform), and a LiveCD boot to run a single application is obviously just a pet project of mine. I will continue to laugh at people who present anything with *a* user base as something *essential* to an *entire* class of users, unless it obviously is and thus dropping it would horribly break Ubuntu's functionality or drastically alter the user experience for the entire install base (i.e. libc-dev for C programmers, OpenOffice.org-Writer or Firefox getting dropped, etc). Something only used by a subset of a subset of the userbase isn't "required" for that whole subset to function, just the further subset thereof. Again, case in point, if Ubuntu drops Maven and suddenly every Java application fails to build on the BS, then Maven is "required" for Java programming. > I can't weigh in on the discussion about removing Maven, but I don't > think it's appropriate to attack Alvin for stating his support of > Maven in Ubuntu. > > :-Dustin > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
You *do* understand that Maven is Apache's replacement for Ant, don't you? -Alvin On 10/15/2009 12:53 PM, John Moser wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson > wrote: >> First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty >> much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). > > I laughed. > > Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any global > scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well > I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the > next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Moser wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson > wrote: >> First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty >> much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). > > I laughed. > > Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any global > scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well > I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the > next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) Hi John- I'm not a Java developer, but I certainly know of Maven. It is as essential to Java programmers as Make is to C programmers. I can't weigh in on the discussion about removing Maven, but I don't think it's appropriate to attack Alvin for stating his support of Maven in Ubuntu. :-Dustin -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson wrote: > First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty > much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). I laughed. Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any global scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: desktopcouch contacts from other programs
I don't see the use of Evolution. Last time I left it open, I went from using 2.5G of memory and around 70M of swap (with Evo closed) to filling all 4G of RAM and 2G of swap; I peeked in Top and saw Evo with a huge resident (almost all my RAM) and an even bigger VMA, but didn't manage to kill it because the machine suddenly froze due to OOM and the OOM killer not working somehow. That was last week. It takes me literally 22 minutes to open Evolution, just to get far enough to go into Calendars and add appointments. Then I have to exit (and wait 10 minutes for that to finish) to avoid catastrophic system failure. Seeing as how that works, I don't see how CouchDB is revelant (aside from the reaming it's gotten in the news... best quote: "Wow. Someone just didn't think this through."). On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Matt Price wrote: > hi, > > i;ve moved my evolution contacts to couchdb, and am really hoping to be > able to access them from alternate mailers, preferably either mutt or > any emacs mailer. my laptop is a somewhat underpowered thinkpad, > running a minimal openbox setup and mostly just emacs and a couple of > terminals. if i could get my evolution contacts without having to open > evo up, that'd be really great. > > So i just wondered if the desktopcouch team had any ideas on how i might > access the db from outside evo. > > thanks! > matt > > > -- > Matt Price > matt.pr...@utoronto.ca > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
murrine themes and rgba patches in ubuntu
to be able to apply RGBA transparency (Real transparency) sometimes we need murrine themes, so it is a good idea to convert current themes to murrine, and apply by default rgba patches as emesene has by default to be able to apply real transparency, I do not know how much possible it will be with the new gnomw shell that is about to land but as we are going about to drop compiz, maybe how do not know how much, we have to begin thinking about it.. I just has brought this into conversation, so let's talk about it -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?
Currently, the Apache Maven package doesn't work due to the libplexus packages (a Maven dependency) being synced from Debian but not Maven itself. According to the bug reports [1][2], this isn't going to be fixed for Karmic and the Maven package will most likely just be dropped. First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). Second, There are a great many people who are currently using Maven in Ubuntu. If it is necessary to drop the packages you really need to warn people during the upgrade process so they won't spend too much time wondering why their projects aren't building anymore (or so they can stick to 9.04 for the time being). It should also be mentioned in the release notes that Ubuntu no longer supports Maven because that would certainly come as a surprise to developers and would factor into their decision on which version to install. I've created a bug report for that [3] but it doesn't appear to have been looked at yet. True, it's only been a few days, but since the release date is quite close now I figured I'd shoot off this email so hopefully this will be resolved one way or the other before the release. 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/427539 2. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/417164 3. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/450554 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio being disabled
(MTA constraints) What do you mean by "disabled"? On Oct 15, 2009 8:27 AM, "John Vivirito" wrote: I have seen in last few releases that PA gets disabled when i reboot. This is not due to updates or reboot i dont think since it happens all the time after updates than reboot. -- Sincerely Yours, John Vivirito https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito Linux User# 414246 "How can i get lost, if i have no where to go" -- Metallica from Unforgiven III -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Pulse audio being disabled
I have seen in last few releases that PA gets disabled when i reboot. This is not due to updates or reboot i dont think since it happens all the time after updates than reboot. -- Sincerely Yours, John Vivirito https://launchpad.net/~gnomefreak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito Linux User# 414246 "How can i get lost, if i have no where to go" -- Metallica from Unforgiven III signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
