Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Kieran Grant]

Thanks, I'll have a look at Arronax

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Florian Diesch  wrote:
> Am Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:10:23 +1000
> schrieb Kieran Grant :
>
>
>> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is
>> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning
>> stage for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for
>> something to be done about the lack of ability to right click on the
>> desktop (or any folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this
>> is only a usability problem.
>
>
> Have a look at Arronax 
>
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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Florian Diesch]

Am Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:10:23 +1000
schrieb Kieran Grant :


> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is
> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning
> stage for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for
> something to be done about the lack of ability to right click on the
> desktop (or any folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this
> is only a usability problem.


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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Kieran Grant]

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rodney Dawes  wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 08:32 +1000, Kieran Grant wrote:
>> Whether it is better to allow users to add icons to their Desktop (where
>> they'll probably not use it) or not, is something that Canonical and the
>> upstream GNOME guys can ponder.
>
> Something that has always worked in GNOME (though I don't know if it
> works in gnome-shell, as I haven't used it), and which does work in
> Unity, is to drag a launcher from the applications menu, and drop it
> on the background (or even in a folder in Nautilus). From Unity, since
> there isn't really a menu though, you can open the dash, go to the
> Applications view, find the app you want to add a launcher for, and
> drag it to where you want. Then you have a launcher for the application,
> with the correct icon, and if for some reason you really need to edit
> it, then you can easily do so.
>
> However, the launcher panel on the left side of the screen in Unity at
> least, is designed to be the place to place your favorites for
> launching, rather than on the workspace background. In the launcher
> panel, they will be always accessible, even when working in a full-
> screened application, while placing them in the background makes
> them inaccessible if any windows are covering them.

Thanks again Rodney,
I forgot that you could drag an Icon from the applications menu to the
Desktop. (Probably because sometimes I let go too quick and it doesn't
add to the Desktop... :/ I need to slow down sometimes)

True, the unity menu is always accessible. (Except some oddities on my
low end netbook when some GUI bug causes it to be behind all windows,
I think this is fixed now though)

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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Rodney Dawes]

On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 08:32 +1000, Kieran Grant wrote:
> Whether it is better to allow users to add icons to their Desktop (where
> they'll probably not use it) or not, is something that Canonical and the
> upstream GNOME guys can ponder.

Something that has always worked in GNOME (though I don't know if it
works in gnome-shell, as I haven't used it), and which does work in
Unity, is to drag a launcher from the applications menu, and drop it
on the background (or even in a folder in Nautilus). From Unity, since
there isn't really a menu though, you can open the dash, go to the
Applications view, find the app you want to add a launcher for, and
drag it to where you want. Then you have a launcher for the application,
with the correct icon, and if for some reason you really need to edit
it, then you can easily do so.

However, the launcher panel on the left side of the screen in Unity at
least, is designed to be the place to place your favorites for
launching, rather than on the workspace background. In the launcher
panel, they will be always accessible, even when working in a full-
screened application, while placing them in the background makes
them inaccessible if any windows are covering them.





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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Kieran Grant]

Thanks, I've heard of MATE before, never tried it though, I'll have a look.

Thank you everyone that has been patient enough to respond to my
various emails to different threads on this mailing list.
Hopefully in the future, the next time I send a suggestion, it will be
a bit more useful to the whole Ubuntu community.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Ma Xiaojun  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Kieran Grant
>  wrote:
>> I guess I'll just switch to another Desktop Environment for what I need,
>> (besides, on my netbook Unity 3D uses too many resources, only have 2GB
>> RAM and Some Intel SU2700 1.3Ghz processor, 'tis a cheap netbook from a
>> couple of years ago, I might go back to GNOME classic, or something
>> else, who knows)
>
> I encourage you to try MATE, a GNOME 2 fork.
> Not everything in GNOME 2 is right.
> But I guess learning odds from a stable environment is better
> constantly re-learning "the right way to do things" from an unstable
> environment.

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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Ma Xiaojun]

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Kieran Grant
 wrote:
> I guess I'll just switch to another Desktop Environment for what I need,
> (besides, on my netbook Unity 3D uses too many resources, only have 2GB
> RAM and Some Intel SU2700 1.3Ghz processor, 'tis a cheap netbook from a
> couple of years ago, I might go back to GNOME classic, or something
> else, who knows)

I encourage you to try MATE, a GNOME 2 fork.
Not everything in GNOME 2 is right.
But I guess learning odds from a stable environment is better
constantly re-learning "the right way to do things" from an unstable
environment.

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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Kieran Grant]

On 06/12/12 08:15, Rodney Dawes wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 07:10 +1000, Kieran Grant wrote:
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is
>> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage
>> for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to
>> be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any
>> folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability
>> problem.
> You say this is a usability problem, but what evidence of that is there?
> It used to exist, sure, but it doesn't mean that it needs to be there,
> or that people need to be able to create launchers in random locations
> on their file system. Why would anyone need to do this? Complaints about
> usability or such really need to be backed up by objective data that can
> show how having something will be better for a majority of users, and
> how the feature would have an impact on all users.
Good point, I know there have been many tutorials about how to do
something like this, with one method mentioned is to have a script for
the Desktop right-click context menu, I cannot backup in numbers how
many people have raised this, but I know there are various tutorials and
discussions, but by now most people are probably used to living without
this.

Maybe instead of all over their file system (which I agree, is a bit
pointless now that I think about it), just on the Desktop, but without
being able to get some numbers, I agree, in hindsight, that one cannot
objectively determine how many users have wanted this.

As for the affect on all users, maybe it's better that users can't
easily create launchers on their desktop (Just look at common Windows 7
Desktops, full of icons barely used, at least from the ones I have seen).

Whether it is better to allow users to add icons to their Desktop (where
they'll probably not use it) or not, is something that Canonical and the
upstream GNOME guys can ponder.
>
>> I know about gnome-desktop-item-edit /home//Desktop --create-new,
>> but that isn't user friendly, I know I use to be able to do this in
>> older versions of Ubuntu (back when GNOME was in use, at least I thought
>> I could...), but for some reason this has been removed.
>
> This was removed from upstream Nautilus, as they started to pare down
> the feature set there.
I guess I'll just switch to another Desktop Environment for what I need,
(besides, on my netbook Unity 3D uses too many resources, only have 2GB
RAM and Some Intel SU2700 1.3Ghz processor, 'tis a cheap netbook from a
couple of years ago, I might go back to GNOME classic, or something
else, who knows)

Thanks Rodney for you response. :)

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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Rodney Dawes]

On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 07:10 +1000, Kieran Grant wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is
> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage
> for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to
> be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any
> folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability
> problem.

You say this is a usability problem, but what evidence of that is there?
It used to exist, sure, but it doesn't mean that it needs to be there,
or that people need to be able to create launchers in random locations
on their file system. Why would anyone need to do this? Complaints about
usability or such really need to be backed up by objective data that can
show how having something will be better for a majority of users, and
how the feature would have an impact on all users.


> I know about gnome-desktop-item-edit /home//Desktop --create-new,
> but that isn't user friendly, I know I use to be able to do this in
> older versions of Ubuntu (back when GNOME was in use, at least I thought
> I could...), but for some reason this has been removed.


This was removed from upstream Nautilus, as they started to pare down
the feature set there.




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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Kieran Grant]

On 06/12/12 07:52, Colin Law wrote:
> On 5 December 2012 21:10, Kieran Grant  
> wrote:
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is
>> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage
>> for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to
>> be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any
>> folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability
>> problem.
> http://www.smdavis.us/projects/menulibre/ is pretty good.
>
> Colin
>
Thanks Colin, I've had a play with it, it looks good as a menu editor,
easy to use interface. Lot's of nice controls. (I like being able to
edit the Quick lists)

But I was more asking about general right-clicking in a folder (or
Desktop) and having something like "Create a new Launcher" (Or
'Shortcut', as that is what Windows Users will be familiar with), that
then creates a new Launcher (say with gnome-desktop-item-edit) that can
be edited later.

I think this is something that would have to been included into Nautilus
though.

Still, I'm going to remember menulibre, it's a cool little program, that
will definitely make my life easier in the future

Kieran

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Re: Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Colin Law]

On 5 December 2012 21:10, Kieran Grant  wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is
> something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage
> for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to
> be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any
> folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability
> problem.

http://www.smdavis.us/projects/menulibre/ is pretty good.

Colin

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Possibility to add "Create Launcher" to right click context-menu in Nautilus

[Kieran Grant]

Hey All,

I am currently using Ubuntu 12.04.1, so I don't know if this is
something that was worked on in Ubuntu 12.10 or is in the planning stage
for Ubuntu 13.04, but I am wondering if it's possible for something to
be done about the lack of ability to right click on the desktop (or any
folder in nautilus) and create a new launcher, this is only a usability
problem.

I know about gnome-desktop-item-edit /home//Desktop --create-new,
but that isn't user friendly, I know I use to be able to do this in
older versions of Ubuntu (back when GNOME was in use, at least I thought
I could...), but for some reason this has been removed.

There is a possible solution at:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-add-the-create-launcher-command-to-the-right-click-menu-in-ubuntu-11-10.html

This works for the desktop, but I don't think it is good enough overall
as it doesn't work for any other folder.
I think a proper context menu item (possibly under the "Create New
Document") which fork's and exec's gnome-desktop-item-edit (or include
it's functionality) with the appropriate parameters would be better.

And I know about the SRU rules, and I know it doesn't apply to anything
on the SRU wiki, but to not have this feature in the LTS version would
be a real annoyance, especially for two years if you are in an
environment where you need to use stable versions.

I am suggesting to use "Launchers", as when most Windows users think of
shortcuts, they think of something where they can put a description, an
Icon, etc (Because Symlinks aren't that fancy :P)

I can live without this as I spend most of my time in a Terminal window
anyway, but I think this feature will be useful to those from
Windows-land who don't want to learn about using the terminal, and who
like little Icons on their desktop to launch stuff.

Does anyone have a better solution? (Is this in the works, or could this
be feasible in a future version of Ubuntu?)

Kieran Grant

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