Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[eylul]

One of the biggest advantages of moving to mate would be being able to
use (and possibly adapt) the software center. Also it could help us
dodge the issues with menus. (hopefully? maybe?) It also seems that we
have people here who are also active on that side of the project which
is good! :) I remember it not being very flexible, but it could be a
compromise for polish, and as it is a relatively new project hopefully
flexibility will come as the project matures.

As for KDE as someone who is using KDE packages on top of UbuntuStudio I
can give some opinions on it.

I would love to see KDE as a possible desktop for ubuntustudio. It is
aesthethically nice. Widgets are very useful. It has quite a few tools I
use as an artist including the gwenview, and its file manager that is
able to view raws and krita files etc, as well as giving a GUI interface
to symlinking. It comes with a mobile phone synching tool. That being
said. I have had more crashes on it than I had on XFCE. I am also
running into some odd cursor scaling issues with high-res screen, but
honestly HI-DPI can still have issues on many of the desktop
environments. In short, as someone who has used KDE on top of
UbuntuStudio for at least a year, I am a bit cautious about recommending
a switch to KDE as default DE. (on my backup laptop I have XFCE with
some KDE tools like gwenview installed, that seems to be a slightly more
stable solution to maintain at least some of the advantages) KDE has
come a long way through so I am very curious to see where the project goes.

As for XFCE4 the human readable configuration is nice from a power user
level. I personally like that (and to this date, it is the only desktop
environment I created theme elements for, for this reason :) ) but at
the same time is that accessible to our current userbase? Is this
accessible to the userbase we aim to reach out at for this to be a
consideration? Or is a more beginner friendly approach to this (with
less choice as compromise, the way some of the other desktop
environments go with) the better suited to our audience? What about the
audience we try to reach out to? How much does the ability of configure
using commandline and human readable files bring as benefit to the
people it is accessible to? I don't think the answer to these questions
are straightforward in our case.

I do agree with the issue of switching desktop environment as this will
break workflow for people, so this is definitely a very strong argument
on favor of staying with XFCE. I am not saying we shouldn't consider
doing it at all, but it isn't something we should not do lightly or
often. I would even put out a post about the intent to do that as with
requesting input before finalizing the decision if we decide to go that
route.

Also as a historical context, one of the discussions we had in past was
to make ubuntustudio packages desktop environment agnostic, and allowing
to chose on install. Ubuntustudio is the only ubuntu flavor that is not
structured around a desktop environment. This puts us into an
interesting position.  Installing a new desktop environment on top of
existing ubuntustudio not hard but cleaning the old one is nearly
impossible. Could we somehow make this process easier? On one hand it
would be really nice to have the ability to give the option to people
(with one default) but on other hand this can easily turn into a support
headache. Still something to think about. :)

Best

Eylul


On 04/03/2018 07:32 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 16:09:24 -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>> My proposal would be to move from Xfce to MATE
> Ubuntu Mate is pretty good these days. It's the distro and desktop
> environment I would recommend to users who want something working OOTB
> for mailing, browsing and office work and who don't want to go further
> into Linux. Actually I'm using Ubuntu Mate 17.10 from a DVD to
> backup my Ubuntu and Arch Linux installs and all my data. When making
> backups I test different live media from time to time and Ubuntu Mate is
> one of the better, if not the best OOTB working Linux.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, I'm using openbox only for my installs.
>
> I'm aware that for Xfce4 changed a lot within the last years. I once
> used it myself and for good reasons stopped using it. However, there is
> one good reason to stay with Xfce4, as long as it shouldn't become
> buggy, bloated or should suffer seriously from anything else.
>
> Users who decided to install Ubuntu Studio are used to Xfce4, migrating
> to another desktop environment does break their workflow and it would
> be tricky to run do-release-upgrade.
>
> Users who want Ubuntu Studio with another desktop environment or just a
> window manager such as openbox, could install another Ubuntu flavour,
> even use the server image and install the desired meta-packages, see
> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ubuntustudio=names=artful=all
>  .
>
> Secondarily one benefit of Xfce4 perhaps still is, that it 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Thomas Pfundt]

Hi everyone, 
 
regarding the get-together: I've had great experiences in past projects with 
regular, weekly meetings to discuss progress, issues, ask questions or even 
just talk a little off-topic, if IRC allows for this. 
 
I'll just suggest now that we schedule a meeting every Sunday at 19:00 UTC. 
(21:00 CEST in Stockholm, Berlin, Paris, Madrid; 20:00 BST in London; 13:00 EDT 
in New York, Toronto; 10:00 PDT in Los Angeles, Vancouver.) 
 
Is there someone here for whom this wouldn't work under any circumstances 
because of work, family business or for any other reason? Of course, there will 
be occasions on which each of us won't be able to attend at all or join in via 
mobile, but would this be feasible, in general? Or does someone have a better 
suggestion? 
 
If everyone's fine with this, I'd like to meet up starting this sunday (8th 
April). I'll try to compose a list of topics and keep track of what's going on 
to get the ball rolling. 
 
 
On April 3, 2018 6:32 AM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote: 
> Ubuntu Mate is pretty good these days. [...] However, there is 
> one good reason to stay with Xfce4, as long as it shouldn't become 
> buggy, bloated or should suffer seriously from anything else. 
>  
> [...] Users who decided to install Ubuntu Studio are used to Xfce4, 
> migrating to another desktop environment does break their workflow 
> and it would be tricky to run do-release-upgrade. 
 
I've used Unity, KDE, Xfce, LXDE and the "new" GNOME in their respective Ubuntu 
environments in the past and while I got to know Ubuntu Studio with Xfce and I 
personally enjoy it the most, aesthetically, I have to say that it does suffer 
from certain issues. 
 
More than once have people opened threads on the mailing lists asking for help, 
because their whisker-menu categories and entries disappeared (happened to me 
multiple times as well) and Thunar is also not entirely stable when 
renaming/moving files. 
 
Then, there's the issue of screen tearing by default. Of course, this can be 
easily fixed by installing a compositor with Vsync, but for someone new, that 
can be quite a stretch, especially if they aren't even able to identify the 
cause of the problem. 
 
I've never used MATE or GNOME 2, but I've just had a look at the Ubuntu MATE 
desktop and it seems quite customisable and relatively similar to Xfce in many 
ways, so if that would solve some issues, maybe it's worth a thought. To 
circumvent a couple of problems, I've installed Nautilus/dconf-tools, the Gnome 
Terminal, gedit and Compiz anyway at this point, so I kind of run a bastardised 
stock Xfce/Gnome environment as is, but that doesn't have to work out for 
everyone, of course. 

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 16:09:24 -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>My proposal would be to move from Xfce to MATE

Ubuntu Mate is pretty good these days. It's the distro and desktop
environment I would recommend to users who want something working OOTB
for mailing, browsing and office work and who don't want to go further
into Linux. Actually I'm using Ubuntu Mate 17.10 from a DVD to
backup my Ubuntu and Arch Linux installs and all my data. When making
backups I test different live media from time to time and Ubuntu Mate is
one of the better, if not the best OOTB working Linux.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm using openbox only for my installs.

I'm aware that for Xfce4 changed a lot within the last years. I once
used it myself and for good reasons stopped using it. However, there is
one good reason to stay with Xfce4, as long as it shouldn't become
buggy, bloated or should suffer seriously from anything else.

Users who decided to install Ubuntu Studio are used to Xfce4, migrating
to another desktop environment does break their workflow and it would
be tricky to run do-release-upgrade.

Users who want Ubuntu Studio with another desktop environment or just a
window manager such as openbox, could install another Ubuntu flavour,
even use the server image and install the desired meta-packages, see
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ubuntustudio=names=artful=all
 .

Secondarily one benefit of Xfce4 perhaps still is, that it hopefully
still could be configured from command line by human readable
configurations, by just using an editor, set or echo. From command line
Mate requires usage of gsettings or dconf, so for those users who want
to learn more about Linux, Xfce4 seems to be the better starting point.
IMO people who want to stay with Linux as their operating system,
should learn how the infrastructure works. There's no need to become a
coder, but soon or later it's wise to become a power user through fun,
not by a hard learning curve.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[lukefromdc]

Moving to MATE would be a great idea., would in my judgement go a long way
to restore the UbuntuStudio of old. Rather close in fact to what ended up doing 
with Debian, with my video and audio programs running over MATE (which I am
a developer at these days) and my updated forks of the old GTK and icon themes.

On 4/2/2018 at 7:09 PM, "Erich Eickmeyer"  wrote:
>
>Hi Len,
>
>> On Apr 2, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Len Ovens  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
>> 
>>> On April 2, 2018 1:15 PM, Set Hallstrom  
>wrote:
 if you feel you want to set-up a meeting you should feel free 
>to go ahead and do so by inviting everyone to attend on a given 
>date in a given chat room. :)
>>> I have no problem with setting up a meeting, but I don't really 
>feel qualified enough to curate it. I suppose it would be 
>beneficial to have someone with a clear vision on where to pick 
>things up, in a sense.
>> 
>> Just think like you are starting over. Don't be afraid of 
>stepping on people's toes.
>
>There are some that are already taking that attitude, 
>unfortunately. Set is helping me with quite a bit with the 
>handoff, but it seems as though I’m meeting resistance from some.
>
>> While I also don't like Cadence that much (last time I tried it 
>was a long time ago), I am picky and don't use qjackctl for 
>anything other the connections window. I have my own script that 
>does what I happen to want. I had started to mangle ubuntustudio-
>controls in a way that I thought would work best for beginners. It 
>allowed using a USB mic (one of the most common causes of problems 
>these days) by just plugging it in. It handles hot plugged USB 
>audio devices as well as using the internal MB audio along with 
>PCI(e) interfaces. It also allows using the pulse-jack bridge even 
>when jack is set to freerunning. However, I have been too busy to 
>finish it.
>
>This would be amazing. I’m not much of a coder, but if you can 
>find someone to hand that off to, or if you could find the time to 
>finish it (at lest to an alpha stage) that would be great.
>
>> In short, the things that (so far as I know) keep cadence from 
>being better are:
>> 
>> - it does not unload module-udev-detect and module-alsa-card 
>from pulse
>>  (required for reliable pulse-jack bridging)
>> - does not deal with hotpluged USB audio
>> - it does not deal with two or more audio devices
>> 
>
>I totally get that. My goal is to lower the barrier-to-entry. I 
>can’t tell you how long it took me to figure out Jack. In all 
>honesty, Cadence made it easy, especially with the Catia patchbay 
>(much like patchage, but actually maintained).
>
>> Another project that would be great to see added to US is 
>https://github.com/jhernberg/udev-rtirq to replace the standard 
>rtirq.
>> The standard rtirq only works at startup and only with devices 
>that are ready before it runs. udev-rtirq gives hot plugged audio 
>interfaces raised priority as well.
>
>Good to know.
>
>> To add to all that there is something new that will be facing us 
>called pipewire. How well that will work remains to be seen, but 
>the auther at least seems to be talking to the right people and it 
>seems it will not be another pulseaudio replacement that doesn't 
>meet pro-audio needs. (one hopes)
>
>I’ve personally spoken to the developer of Pipewire, and it seems 
>to be a decent replacement and/or augmentation to Jack or to 
>replace Pulseaudio. It’s something that my friend Noah Chelliah 
>(Noah of the Ask Noah Show and formerly of the Linux Action Show) 
>has been watching closely. With my new role here with Ubuntu 
>Studio, I plan on watching Pipewire closely. It has potential to 
>be really good.
>
>> Some people have asked about DE. We have since Gnome2 was 
>depricated, used xfce as being the best replacement so far as 
>usablility, stability, light on CPU. Unity has come and gone \o/ 
>and Gnome session has settled down and will likely become the next 
>ubuntu de (? anyone know?) Also, the average used computer has 
>changed in this time as well (the P$ is not common any more) and 
>ubuntu is even thinking of dropping 32bit CPU support. The purpose 
>for sticking to xfce is perhaps no longer there (though it is stil 
>my personal favourite) and moving to something more standard my be 
>something to look at for the next lts (in two more years). Please 
>remember US is a working flavour, not a casual desktop that needs 
>to work the same as a phone. It has many more applications than an 
>email client and a browser and needs easy ways of discovering them 
>all. I personally have not yet found anything as good the old 
>win95 style dropdown menu (which was designed for the work 
>environment).
>
>> However, also remember that with only a few people helping out, 
>being able to use somebody else to do most of the DE stuff and 
>only add the applications and tweaks on top (in the same way we 
>have been 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Len Ovens]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:

I had started to mangle ubuntustudio-controls in a way that I thought 
would work best for beginners. It allowed using a USB mic (one of the 
most common causes of problems these days) by just plugging it in. It 
handles hot plugged USB audio devices as well as using the internal MB 
audio along with PCI(e) interfaces. It also allows using the pulse-jack 
bridge even when jack is set to freerunning. However, I have been too 
busy to finish it.


This would be amazing. I’m not much of a coder, but if you can find 
someone to hand that off to, or if you could find the time to finish it 
(at lest to an alpha stage) that would be great.


Looking at the what has been uploaded so far will give some idea, there is 
a build at: 
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild


But I notice no one has updated it to put out 18.04 builds as well. The 
GUI is pretty close to where I was going, but I have done a lot locally 
since then. I should probably do a workaround for where I was stuck at for 
now so it runs :) right now the daemon runs, but the GUI can't talk to it 
on my local version. (my knowlage of dbus in python is just not there)


My proposal would be to move from Xfce to MATE, or even to KDE Plasma 
now that Plasma 5 has reduced resources compared to the way it was 
historically. Ideally, we’d present the user with the option at install, 
but I’m not sure how technically feasible that would be. Either way, 
it’s worthy of discussion, and perhaps even a survey.


gnome3 or mate do not at bother me at this point. KDE however, is 
broken (won't be fixed) for multi-window applications such as Gimp or 
Ardour. KDE does not follow standards in the area of window stacking with 
the result that a window that should be on top may be hidden behind 
something else. As Studio is a working platform with applications that 
tend to more windows rather than fewer, such things are important.


If someone really wishes to use KDE they can install Studio's metas... at 
least that way if complaints are made, it is not officially supported and 
such a user can be refered back to the KDE devs. Maybe if they get enough 
complaints about not supporting standards they will change.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Len,

> On Apr 2, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Len Ovens  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
> 
>> On April 2, 2018 1:15 PM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:
>>> if you feel you want to set-up a meeting you should feel free to go ahead 
>>> and do so by inviting everyone to attend on a given date in a given chat 
>>> room. :)
>> I have no problem with setting up a meeting, but I don't really feel 
>> qualified enough to curate it. I suppose it would be beneficial to have 
>> someone with a clear vision on where to pick things up, in a sense.
> 
> Just think like you are starting over. Don't be afraid of stepping on 
> people's toes.

There are some that are already taking that attitude, unfortunately. Set is 
helping me with quite a bit with the handoff, but it seems as though I’m 
meeting resistance from some.

> While I also don't like Cadence that much (last time I tried it was a long 
> time ago), I am picky and don't use qjackctl for anything other the 
> connections window. I have my own script that does what I happen to want. I 
> had started to mangle ubuntustudio-controls in a way that I thought would 
> work best for beginners. It allowed using a USB mic (one of the most common 
> causes of problems these days) by just plugging it in. It handles hot plugged 
> USB audio devices as well as using the internal MB audio along with PCI(e) 
> interfaces. It also allows using the pulse-jack bridge even when jack is set 
> to freerunning. However, I have been too busy to finish it.

This would be amazing. I’m not much of a coder, but if you can find someone to 
hand that off to, or if you could find the time to finish it (at lest to an 
alpha stage) that would be great.

> In short, the things that (so far as I know) keep cadence from being better 
> are:
> 
> - it does not unload module-udev-detect and module-alsa-card from pulse
>   (required for reliable pulse-jack bridging)
> - does not deal with hotpluged USB audio
> - it does not deal with two or more audio devices
> 

I totally get that. My goal is to lower the barrier-to-entry. I can’t tell you 
how long it took me to figure out Jack. In all honesty, Cadence made it easy, 
especially with the Catia patchbay (much like patchage, but actually 
maintained).

> Another project that would be great to see added to US is 
> https://github.com/jhernberg/udev-rtirq to replace the standard rtirq.
> The standard rtirq only works at startup and only with devices that are ready 
> before it runs. udev-rtirq gives hot plugged audio interfaces raised priority 
> as well.

Good to know.

> To add to all that there is something new that will be facing us called 
> pipewire. How well that will work remains to be seen, but the auther at least 
> seems to be talking to the right people and it seems it will not be another 
> pulseaudio replacement that doesn't meet pro-audio needs. (one hopes)

I’ve personally spoken to the developer of Pipewire, and it seems to be a 
decent replacement and/or augmentation to Jack or to replace Pulseaudio. It’s 
something that my friend Noah Chelliah (Noah of the Ask Noah Show and formerly 
of the Linux Action Show) has been watching closely. With my new role here with 
Ubuntu Studio, I plan on watching Pipewire closely. It has potential to be 
really good.

> Some people have asked about DE. We have since Gnome2 was depricated, used 
> xfce as being the best replacement so far as usablility, stability, light on 
> CPU. Unity has come and gone \o/ and Gnome session has settled down and will 
> likely become the next ubuntu de (? anyone know?) Also, the average used 
> computer has changed in this time as well (the P$ is not common any more) and 
> ubuntu is even thinking of dropping 32bit CPU support. The purpose for 
> sticking to xfce is perhaps no longer there (though it is stil my personal 
> favourite) and moving to something more standard my be something to look at 
> for the next lts (in two more years). Please remember US is a working 
> flavour, not a casual desktop that needs to work the same as a phone. It has 
> many more applications than an email client and a browser and needs easy ways 
> of discovering them all. I personally have not yet found anything as good the 
> old win95 style dropdown menu (which was designed for the work environment).

> However, also remember that with only a few people helping out, being able to 
> use somebody else to do most of the DE stuff and only add the applications 
> and tweaks on top (in the same way we have been building on xubuntu) is an 
> easy way to go. The DE stuff gets tested by someone else so US can 
> concentrate on the audio/video/graphic parts.
> 

At one point in time, there was a project to give the UbuStu installer a choice 
of DEs. However, I believe nothing ever came of that. With that said, a change 
in DE is one thing I have been considering proposing. Ubuntu (proper) has 
transitioned to the GNOME desktop environment 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>I am picky and don't use qjackctl for anything other the connections
>window. I have my own script that does what I happen to want.

For usage with scripts a good tool is
https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/aj-snapshot , however at some point
the only way to restore connections, is to manually do them again and
again, since MIDI interfaces sharing the same name, can't be renamed and
cannot be restored by any alsa/jack connection helper. To get jackd
right, I'm using either a DAW such as Ardour or command line/scripts,
I neither recommend to use QjacjCtl nor Cadencefor this purpose.

>Another project that would be great to see added to US is 
>https://github.com/jhernberg/udev-rtirq to replace the standard rtirq.

This might be interasting for Erich, Joakim Hernberg is another Arch
Linux user, also not an Ubuntu Studio user.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Len Ovens]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Thomas Pfundt wrote:

On April 2, 2018 1:15 PM, Set Hallstrom  wrote: 
if you feel you want to set-up a meeting you should feel 
free to go ahead and do so by inviting everyone to attend on a given 
date in a given chat room. :) 


I have no problem with setting up a meeting, but I don't really feel 
qualified enough to curate it. I suppose it would be beneficial to have 
someone with a clear vision on where to pick things up, in a sense.


Just think like you are starting over. Don't be afraid of stepping on 
people's toes.


While I also don't like Cadence that much (last time I tried it was a long 
time ago), I am picky and don't use qjackctl for anything other the 
connections window. I have my own script that does what I happen to want. 
I had started to mangle ubuntustudio-controls in a way that I thought 
would work best for beginners. It allowed using a USB mic (one of the most 
common causes of problems these days) by just plugging it in. It handles 
hot plugged USB audio devices as well as using the internal MB audio along 
with PCI(e) interfaces. It also allows using the pulse-jack bridge even 
when jack is set to freerunning. However, I have been too busy to finish 
it.


In short, the things that (so far as I know) keep cadence from being 
better are:


 - it does not unload module-udev-detect and module-alsa-card from pulse
(required for reliable pulse-jack bridging)
 - does not deal with hotpluged USB audio
 - it does not deal with two or more audio devices

Another project that would be great to see added to US is 
https://github.com/jhernberg/udev-rtirq to replace the standard rtirq.
The standard rtirq only works at startup and only with devices that are 
ready before it runs. udev-rtirq gives hot plugged audio interfaces raised 
priority as well.


To add to all that there is something new that will be facing us called 
pipewire. How well that will work remains to be seen, but the auther at 
least seems to be talking to the right people and it seems it will not be 
another pulseaudio replacement that doesn't meet pro-audio needs. (one 
hopes)


Some people have asked about DE. We have since Gnome2 was depricated, used 
xfce as being the best replacement so far as usablility, stability, light 
on CPU. Unity has come and gone \o/ and Gnome session has settled down and 
will likely become the next ubuntu de (? anyone know?) Also, the average 
used computer has changed in this time as well (the P$ is not common any 
more) and ubuntu is even thinking of dropping 32bit CPU support. The 
purpose for sticking to xfce is perhaps no longer there (though it is stil 
my personal favourite) and moving to something more standard my be 
something to look at for the next lts (in two more years). Please remember 
US is a working flavour, not a casual desktop that needs to work the same 
as a phone. It has many more applications than an email client and a 
browser and needs easy ways of discovering them all. I personally have not 
yet found anything as good the old win95 style dropdown menu (which was 
designed for the work environment).


However, also remember that with only a few people helping out, being able 
to use somebody else to do most of the DE stuff and only add the 
applications and tweaks on top (in the same way we have been building on 
xubuntu) is an easy way to go. The DE stuff gets tested by someone else so 
US can concentrate on the audio/video/graphic parts.


Anyway, lots of ideas, not sure which are good or bad...

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Thomas Pfundt]

On April 2, 2018 1:15 PM, Set Hallstrom  wrote: 
> if you feel you want to set-up a meeting you should feel 
> free to go ahead and do so by inviting everyone to attend on a given 
> date in a given chat room. :) 
 
I have no problem with setting up a meeting, but I don't really feel qualified 
enough to curate it. I suppose it would be beneficial to have someone with a 
clear vision on where to pick things up, in a sense. 
 
Thanks for the heads-up regarding the IRC channel. I'll see to be active there 
from now on as well. I'm missing the Libreboot IRC, anyway. 

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Erich Eickmeyer]

> On Apr 2, 2018, at 4:15 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi Thomas! Good to read you :)
> 
> On 2018-04-01 15:02, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
>> Hi Set and all others,
>> 
>> on the general topic: Back in February when Ross Gammon asked for
>> help with the 16.04.4 ISO-testing, he also mentioned the possible
>> formation of a new project council. Two other members of the mailing
>> list and I have already offered our assistance in our own respective
>> areas of proficiency. (I don't know if I should tentatively mention
>> their contacts, but they're probably reading reading this list and
>> can join in at their own sentiment.)
>> I've basically been waiting for a word on some kind of get-together
>> to discuss roles or division for what's on the road map, but I might
>> have misunderstood something.
> 
> The call to get together should have been made by the project lead, that
> was me, but as it turned out, i simply couldn't.
> 
> 
> I do however think that projects that are driven by volunteers needs
> someone/someones to take action from the discussions. I know not
> everyone have the time, will, or initiative to do so. What I'm trying to
> say is that, if you feel you want to set-up a meeting you should feel
> free to go ahead and do so by inviting everyone to attend on a given
> date in a given chat room. :)
> 
> For the record, for that purpose we use IRC because it is transparent,
> and discussions are logged here:
> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
> 
> 
>> I'll look into signing the code of conduct myself right now and try
>> to get a better overview of the current state of everything.
> 
>> Anyway, I'll be available throughout this year and help with what I
>> can, so "count me in".
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards, Thomas
>> 
> 
> Thank you very much Thomas!! <3
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Now that a very busy season at work has passed, I should be good for a meeting. 
I understand not everybody lives on the U.S. West Coast like myself, so I’m 
open to hearing whatever times work best.

It would be nice to know what agenda items we have, unfinished business, etc., 
and if anybody has the logs of the last meeting to review beforehand that would 
be great.


Erich


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Set Hallstrom]

Hi Thomas! Good to read you :)

On 2018-04-01 15:02, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
> Hi Set and all others,
> 
> on the general topic: Back in February when Ross Gammon asked for
> help with the 16.04.4 ISO-testing, he also mentioned the possible
> formation of a new project council. Two other members of the mailing
> list and I have already offered our assistance in our own respective
> areas of proficiency. (I don't know if I should tentatively mention
> their contacts, but they're probably reading reading this list and
> can join in at their own sentiment.)
> I've basically been waiting for a word on some kind of get-together
> to discuss roles or division for what's on the road map, but I might
> have misunderstood something.

The call to get together should have been made by the project lead, that
was me, but as it turned out, i simply couldn't.


I do however think that projects that are driven by volunteers needs
someone/someones to take action from the discussions. I know not
everyone have the time, will, or initiative to do so. What I'm trying to
say is that, if you feel you want to set-up a meeting you should feel
free to go ahead and do so by inviting everyone to attend on a given
date in a given chat room. :)

For the record, for that purpose we use IRC because it is transparent,
and discussions are logged here:
https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/


> I'll look into signing the code of conduct myself right now and try
> to get a better overview of the current state of everything.

> Anyway, I'll be available throughout this year and help with what I
> can, so "count me in".
> 
> 
> Kind regards, Thomas
> 

Thank you very much Thomas!! <3

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Thomas Pfundt]

Hi Set and all others, 
 
on the general topic: Back in February when Ross Gammon asked for help with the 
16.04.4 ISO-testing, he also mentioned the possible formation of a new project 
council. Two other members of the mailing list and I have already offered our 
assistance in our own respective areas of proficiency. (I don't know if I 
should tentatively mention their contacts, but they're probably reading reading 
this list and can join in at their own sentiment.) 
 
I've basically been waiting for a word on some kind of get-together to discuss 
roles or division for what's on the road map, but I might have misunderstood 
something. 
 
I'll look into signing the code of conduct myself right now and try to get a 
better overview of the current state of everything. 
 
Anyway, I'll be available throughout this year and help with what I can, so 
"count me in". 
 
 
Kind regards, 
Thomas

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

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> On Mar 29, 2018, at 6:15 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:
> 
> On 2018-03-29 15:11, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>> Hi,
> 
> PS.
> Sorry for top-posting, i've lost my hand in the good habits of the
> mailing-list game. I'll work on it.
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Hi Set,

Here’s my Launchpad link: https://launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer 
, you will find that I signed the COC back 
in 2014.  I’m also on Tweetdeck, twitter handle is @eickmeyer.

Let me know if there is anything else you need. I lost internet access for 
about a 24-hour period, so I’m just getting my dev environment up and running. 
Also, busy week at work, so I’ll try to answer as I find time. Things should 
settle down a little beginning Monday.

I’m excited to get rolling on this.

Thanks,
Erich



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

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On 2018-03-29 15:11, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> Hi,

PS.
Sorry for top-posting, i've lost my hand in the good habits of the
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Set Hallstrom]

Hi,

Yes, the social media could need more love. cfhowlet used to do a good
job with it. But his time is also limited. Managing the socialmedia is
very time consuming and requires fairly quick response. And then there
is creating content to have something to post..

However, i can't even begin to describe how much hope i'm feeling from
reading you, Erich and pcmao: if you are willing to donate the necessary
time and energy, you are most welcome! :) For facebook there is no need
for password, i can make you a moderator, or whatever they call it. For
twitter, i need i can make you a team member with twitters
"tweetdeck.twitter.com" Than there is the youtube channel. And i think
the same applies there. So no need for passwords anymore...

I need you both to sign the code of conduct before though.

@Erich: I'm glad to see you are using the GPG key. I wasn't able to
locate your launchpad profile, will you send it to me?

@pcmao: can you also provide me with your launchpad profile link?

In case you are struggling with it, here is a howto:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/100275/how-do-i-sign-the-ubuntu-code-of-conduct

Looking forward to have you on board!

*Set

On 2018-03-28 22:05, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> I have a lot of ideas to help revitalize Ubuntu Studio, but I’m,
> unfortunately, not the one with the keys to the social media sites.
> Alan Pope of Canonical is now aware that I’m on the project, and
> maybe we’ll see where things go from there. As for the social media
> accounts, I don’t even know who would have the keys to those in order
> to get some publicity out there, but maybe Set might know. Either
> way, it’s good to see some attention being drawn.
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2018, at 11:49 AM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> What is probably going on is that linux users are installing the
>> base system, then using online search tools to find what programs
>> they need for their workflow and installing those programs..
>> 
>> On 3/28/2018 at 12:22 PM, pc...@laposte.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> "That is something I hope to rectify. Since I have deep contacts
>>>  with some of the most listened-to linux podcasts, I hope to get
>>> the word out that we’re still a thing."
>>> 
>>> Of course you/we are ! :) Ubuntu studio is one of the (last and 
>>> best) audio/vidéo/photo distro for linux. stopped projects:
>>> Agnula, fervent softwate studio to go, 64studio, outdated:
>>> Kxstudio strange: Avlinux Librazik:  cannot install librazik on
>>> my computers maybe it's me but seems install is broken Planet
>>> CCRMA I don't know if it's still on alive, tango studio, stopped
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> 16.0.4.4 LTS is really great, 18.04 preview is good too. Noticed
>>>  only few bugs with 18.04 lts. I'm no dev but I can help with bug
>>> report if needed I took a lot of photos of my country several
>>> years ago, I needed I can give them for screensavers or themes.
>>> (Must find them lol they are on an old DVD)
>>> 
>>> Linux world  need almost ONE distro for creation. But when I take
>>> a look to twitter/google+ US accounts, the  ... last messages
>>> sent by Ubuntu Studio are very old ( summer 2016) So you/we
>>> cannot expect new users.
>>> 
>>> regards
>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[Erich Eickmeyer]

I have a lot of ideas to help revitalize Ubuntu Studio, but I’m, unfortunately, 
not the one with the keys to the social media sites. Alan Pope of Canonical is 
now aware that I’m on the project, and maybe we’ll see where things go from 
there. As for the social media accounts, I don’t even know who would have the 
keys to those in order to get some publicity out there, but maybe Set might 
know. Either way, it’s good to see some attention being drawn.

> On Mar 28, 2018, at 11:49 AM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> 
> What is probably going on is that linux users are installing the base
> system, then using online search tools to find what programs they
> need for their workflow and installing those programs..
> 
> On 3/28/2018 at 12:22 PM, pc...@laposte.net wrote:
>> 
>> "That is something I hope to rectify. Since I have deep contacts 
>> with
>> some of the most listened-to linux podcasts, I hope to get the 
>> word out
>> that we’re still a thing."
>> 
>> Of course you/we are ! :) Ubuntu studio is one of the (last and 
>> best)
>> audio/vidéo/photo distro for linux.
>> stopped projects: Agnula, fervent softwate studio to go, 64studio, 
>> outdated: Kxstudio 
>> strange: Avlinux
>> Librazik:  cannot install librazik on my computers maybe it's me 
>> but
>> seems install is broken 
>> Planet CCRMA I don't know if it's still on alive, 
>> tango studio, stopped etc.
>>   
>> 16.0.4.4 LTS is really great, 18.04 preview is good too. Noticed 
>> only
>> few bugs with 18.04 lts.  
>> I'm no dev but I can help with bug report if needed
>> I took a lot of photos of my country several years ago, 
>> I needed I can give them for screensavers or themes.  (Must find 
>> them
>> lol they are on an old DVD)
>> 
>> Linux world  need almost ONE distro for creation.
>> But when I take a look to twitter/google+ US accounts, the  ... 
>> last
>> messages sent by Ubuntu Studio are very old ( summer 2016)
>> So you/we cannot expect new users.
>> 
>> regards 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

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What is probably going on is that linux users are installing the base
system, then using online search tools to find what programs they
need for their workflow and installing those programs..

On 3/28/2018 at 12:22 PM, pc...@laposte.net wrote:
>
>"That is something I hope to rectify. Since I have deep contacts 
>with
>some of the most listened-to linux podcasts, I hope to get the 
>word out
>that we’re still a thing."
>
>Of course you/we are ! :) Ubuntu studio is one of the (last and 
>best)
>audio/vidéo/photo distro for linux.
>stopped projects: Agnula, fervent softwate studio to go, 64studio, 
>outdated: Kxstudio 
>strange: Avlinux
>Librazik:  cannot install librazik on my computers maybe it's me 
>but
>seems install is broken 
>Planet CCRMA I don't know if it's still on alive, 
>tango studio, stopped etc.
>  
>16.0.4.4 LTS is really great, 18.04 preview is good too. Noticed 
>only
>few bugs with 18.04 lts.  
>I'm no dev but I can help with bug report if needed
>I took a lot of photos of my country several years ago, 
>I needed I can give them for screensavers or themes.  (Must find 
>them
>lol they are on an old DVD)
>
>Linux world  need almost ONE distro for creation.
>But when I take a look to twitter/google+ US accounts, the  ... 
>last
>messages sent by Ubuntu Studio are very old ( summer 2016)
>So you/we cannot expect new users.
>
>regards 


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