Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-17 Thread Jai Harrison
Hey

I do use Compiz but the screensaver reference makes more sense. I
recently started using the Ubuntu Satanic Edition screensaver and
startup/shutdown bar thing (I haven't a clue what that's called).

Assuming this is the cause I'm unsure of exactly how to remove it or
replace it with the original Ubuntu files. It's a shame though as this
stuff looks fantastic.

On 2/17/08, Matthew Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 If it is not a power saving problem, it sounds like X (the graphical
 display manager) is crashing.

 On Feb 16, 2008 11:29 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey,
 
  I use an Acer TravelMate 4151LMi (Notebook) and I have recently been
  having some issues with Gutsy - namely being automagically logged out
  and presented with the GDM sometimes when the notebook lid is closed.

 Do you use desktop effects/compiz, or similar? They are enabled by
 default in Gutsy, it could be worth disabling them just to test.
 You'll find the options under System-Preferences-Appearance.

  The other is a bizarre black screen state in which the monitor simply
  turns off and won't turn back on again (resulting in a requirement to
  reboot).
 

 Do you have a screensaver enabled? Set it to blank for testing purposes, if 
 so.

 When in this state, does Ctrl+Alt+F1 do anything? Ctrl+Alt+F7?
 Ctrl+Alt+Backspace?

 When rebooting from this state, you may be doing this with a hardware
 reset button or similar. See if the laptop responds to the key
 sequence in section 4 of this post:
 http://matthewstechnologyblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/how-to-recover-ubuntulinux-pc.html

 Hope this helps, if not fix, then diagnose the problem :)

 Matthew.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-17 Thread Gavin Ford
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 01:14:50PM +, Sean Miller wrote:
 Ubuntu Satanic Edition?
 
 Sean



http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/about


It's a set of themes to make Ubuntu look more like Windows Vista.

  -Gav

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Calibrate the flux circuit


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-17 Thread Jai Harrison
  Ubuntu Satanic Edition?
 
  Sean



 http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/about


 It's a set of themes to make Ubuntu look more like Windows Vista.

   -Gav

No, it's a set of themes to convert Ubuntu and Ubuntu Christian
Edition into a Linux installation for the damned ;)

Regardless there's nothing Vista-like about it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Bottom Screen Bar

2008-02-17 Thread John Taylor
Wulfy wrote:
 John Taylor wrote:
   
 Thanks for info...have tried your suggestion but it doesn't do what I 
 want (at least on my machine).. a simple example is the MPPLAYER 
 (Gnome) I activate it, produce music, minimize at which moment it 
 disappears like a ferret down a drainpipe but the only way I can switch 
 off the station is to reboot!

 John
 
 I use Kubuntu, not Ubuntu so this may not work for you.  I got rid of 
 the taskbar ages ago, as it just took up real estate on my kicker 
 panel.  Now, when I have something minimised (or behind a maximised 
 window) I just do an AltTab and get a window list on the current 
 desktop.  That will bring back the lost window...

   
Thanks chaps all ideas and variations on the theme work, sorry for delay 
in acknowledgement

John

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-17 Thread Alan Pope

On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 20:00 +, Jai Harrison wrote:
 Well it happened again and I just lost loads of stuff .
 
 I'm probably going to backup my home folder and reinstall Ubuntu.
 After doing so I'll make sure NOT to copy over everything from my home
 folder but only essentials (in case something in there is the cause of
 this).
 
 Unless anyone has an easier solution?

Create a new user under your current install, and start from scratch. If
the system still fails then it isn't something in your ~

Cheers,
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[ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-17 Thread John Levin
Just found this article:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article3374812.ece

the British company Elonex is launching the country’s first sub £100 
computer later this month and hopes to be making 200,000 of them by the 
summer.

So how can Elonex make a computer for so little? 
The secret is simple: open-source software. The One runs on Linux, which 
is a rival to Windows but completely free to use.

Elonex will be launching the computer at the Education Show at the NEC 
in Birmingham at the end of this month, and is targeting schools as 
potential buyers.

The elonex website seems to be down at the moment:
http://www.elonex.co.uk

So, anyone going to the Education Show? Anyone have any idea what distro 
it will be running?

John



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Fwd: Re: [OT] - MS XP Pro OEM CD - How?]

2008-02-17 Thread alan c
Chris Oattes wrote:
 Sean Miller said the following on 17/02/08 10:02:
 On 2/16/08, Eddie Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well what started out as a simple request has turned into a lot of
 unpleasantness:
 I don't know how to make it any more obvious I was seeking a *legal*
 solution and hoped somebody here might have one. I've all ready agreed
 that what you say may be correct in essence not necessarily the detail
 but I really can't be bothered arguing it any more.
 
 
 
 I really don't think Micro$oft is going to go to all the effort of suing
 somebody for re-installing an OEM machine using somebody else's CD (be that
 their physical CD or a burned image of it), I really don't... it would be
 incredibly pedantic to classify such a thing a piracy as the software is
 protected by licence keys and is useless without them... I would call
 copying the CD a technical infringement of the licence terms, no more than
 that.  Piracy would have to involve also sharing the key or distributing a
 hacked copy that doesn't require a key, something that has not happened here
 at all... whether a copy has been burned from one's own CD  (legal, I
 believe, for backup purposes) or from somebody else's what is arrived at in
 the end is the same... an installation of Windows XP using a valid OEM
 licence on the machine for which that licence was supplied...
 
 Sean
 
 
 
 I don't think the issue is that you will get fined loads of money for 
 copying a Windows CD. The point is that it is, at best, against the 
 terms of the license, and at worse could be considered piracy. Therefore 
 the act of making a copy of the CD for someone else is wrong whichever 
 way you look at it, and is not something that should be promoted on this 
 list.

That was simply the way I understood things too, it is more a matter 
of principle than anything. But principles are important. It would be 
pretty bad politics to have a MS comment that the Ubuntu UK list was 
colluding in something - anything - that was against a licence 
agreement. Licence agreements are all that stand between us and the 
world of proprietary software and all that it leads to.GPL and 
variants that is.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Notebook Problems

2008-02-17 Thread Jai Harrison
Well it happened again and I just lost loads of stuff .

I'm probably going to backup my home folder and reinstall Ubuntu.
After doing so I'll make sure NOT to copy over everything from my home
folder but only essentials (in case something in there is the cause of
this).

Unless anyone has an easier solution?

On 2/17/08, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Ubuntu Satanic Edition?
  
   Sean
 
 
 
  http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/about
 
 
  It's a set of themes to make Ubuntu look more like Windows Vista.
 
-Gav

 No, it's a set of themes to convert Ubuntu and Ubuntu Christian
 Edition into a Linux installation for the damned ;)

 Regardless there's nothing Vista-like about it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-17 Thread Mac
John Levin wrote:
 Just found this article:
 the British company Elonex is launching the country’s first sub £100 
 computer later this month and hopes to be making 200,000 of them by the 
 summer.
snip
 So, anyone going to the Education Show? Anyone have any idea what distro 
 it will be running?


More info at

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/17/elonex-one-englands-100-quid-laptop/

http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2008/01/another-simple-linux-umpc-fontastic.html

Looks like most mentions originated with the TimesOnline article;  but 
distro doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere.

Mac



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-17 Thread James Grabham
WOW

I REALLY WANT ONE!!!

The reason I never got an eee was the ridiculous price - £220!!??

I will start saving ASAP

(Being 15, money is always scarce)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-17 Thread Daniel Lamb
Did anyone see the comment?


I was pleased with this development until I read Linux

Mike, Runcorn, United Kingdom

I say we beat him until he changes his ways.

No but seriously how can anyone have anything again linux? I really
struggle with that.

Regards,
Daniel



On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 00:02 +, James Grabham wrote:

 WOW
 
 I REALLY WANT ONE!!!
 
 The reason I never got an eee was the ridiculous price - £220!!??
 
 I will start saving ASAP
 
 (Being 15, money is always scarce)
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-17 Thread Tom Bamford
I encounter such attitudes all the time, especially among old school 
businessmen. It usually changes once I boot up an Ubuntu live CD for 
them, but I often have to expend much dialogue in coercing them to even 
take a look.


Tom


Daniel Lamb wrote:

Did anyone see the comment?

I was pleased with this development until I read Linux
Mike, Runcorn, United Kingdom

I say we beat him until he changes his ways.

No but seriously how can anyone have anything again linux? I really 
struggle with that.


Regards,
Daniel



On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 00:02 +, James Grabham wrote:

WOW

I REALLY WANT ONE!!!

The reason I never got an eee was the ridiculous price - £220!!??

I will start saving ASAP

(Being 15, money is always scarce)



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-17 Thread James Mansion
Daniel Lamb wrote:
 No but seriously how can anyone have anything again linux? I really 
 struggle with that.

Hmm.  I've been using Linux since Yggdrassil was the new kid on the 
block and I could
get an SLS subscription on 3.5 floppies.  And I definitely have things 
against Linux.  Take
off the rose tinted specs.

The biggest problem with schools IT is training - not just for the 
teachers but also for
the external support staff that have to help out.  We gave serious 
consideration to trying to
help improve our children's lower school facilities by reusing old 
systems, but in all
honesty it woulf have become an albatross for the school as soon as the 
kids moved
on and our interest in voluntary work to support that school died.

James


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 'The One': new low-priced laptop with linux inside

2008-02-17 Thread Sean Miller
On 2/18/08, James Mansion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The biggest problem with schools IT is training - not just for the
teachers but also for
the external support staff that have to help out.  We gave serious
consideration to trying to

Well, as I see it there are three major operating systems on the desktop at
present...

- Windows
- OS-X
- Linux

...of the three, one is completely different, and obviously hard to learn
for those used to the other two... long established key combinations
(Ctrl-C, Ctrl-R, Shift-Tab) simply do not work... the top menu changes
contextually, so how to get back to what you were just doing isn't
apparent...

...of course, what we're talking here is OS-X, an OS that is completely
different... and, imho, very hard to use compared to the other two.

...Micro$oft borrowed things like Ctrl-C from Unix... Linux desktops have
(KDE/Gnom at least) retained key combinations common to Windows users for
ease of portability...

Could it be that we're talking ourselves out of the school market, because I
don't actually see where this problem that James refers to is...  if
location on the screen is a problem then both KDE and Gnome can be
configured to look just like Windows... OpenOffice will provide all the
things that MSOffice can, and don't be fooled by the let's give them the
same software as they'll use in the workplace because software changes... a
school that 5 years ago taught pupils Office 2000, is that any more relevant
today than had they taught the concepts using Openoffice?!?!  Of course
not... because Office 2000 is probably no less different to Microsoft's
latest beast than Openoffice... it's the concepts you're teaching, not a
brand...

They say that once you've been conditioned into a way of thinking it is hard
to break out of it... this is nowhere more present than in the fear of
anything not Micro$oft.   When people do actually break out they are
generally impressed by what they find... let's not put our product down...
if people really want proprietary software there is always wine/Crossover...
let's tackle the fear head on...

Sean
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