Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Josh Blacker wrote: Shame the BBC can't get *its* staff to use apostrophes correctly. Perhaps basic punctuation isn't cost-effective either? I've noticed this recently on the BBC News site. The quality of the written English has deteriorated noticeably in the past 6 months or so... improper use of apostrophes seems to be a particular issue within the BBC Newsroom... Sean ps. since when was offering audio in Windows Media format something to brag about to somebody complaining about disenfranchising those not on Windows? I don't think Mr Carey had even bothered to think before writing... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Chris Rowson wrote: On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may all be interested in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm BBC to hear open source concerns Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to threaten the BBC with litigation before they'll listen though! Optimism! I hope also that although they will have a meeting that they will actually 'listen'. Listening is also fairly low cost. Action requires a little more commitment -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Chris Rowson wrote: On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may all be interested in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm BBC to hear open source concerns Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to threaten the BBC with litigation before they'll listen though! Optimism! I hope also that although they will have a meeting that they will actually 'listen'. Listening is also fairly low cost. Action requires a little more commitment -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391I got this reply from them, but as you can see it's the usual...Probably automated..Dear Mr Dalley Thank you for your e-mail. The BBC has a responsibility to distribute it's content to as many license fee payers as possible, but we must seek a cost effective way to do this - especially whilst there is no single audio-visual standard. At present the cost of providing multiple formats is prohibitively high. We currently feel Real Player is the most appropriate solution, since it is freely available on the internet and can be installed on most operating systems. We also have a large archive of real format material and a resilient technical infrastructure necessary to support it. However, the BBC is actively assessing new ways to distribute audio-visual material across the internet. We have initiated a number of trials and we are planning a new technical infrastructure which in the future will increase flexibility of our output. For instance, you can now listen live to all of our major national networks in Windows Media Audio format Thank you once again for contacting us. Regards Richard CareyBBC Information__Watch Saving Planet Earth from 24th JuneTogether we can help save the world's endangered wildlifeYou can donate to the new BBC Wildlife Fund at www.bbc.co.uk/savingplanetearth, or by calling 08705-100-700 _ Try Live.com - your fast, personalised homepage with all the things you care about in one place. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
snippety snip The BBC has a responsibility to distribute it's content to as many license fee payers as possible, but we must seek a cost effective way to do this - especially whilst there is no single audio-visual standard. At present the cost of providing multiple formats is prohibitively high. Shame the BBC can't get *its* staff to use apostrophes correctly. Perhaps basic punctuation isn't cost-effective either? -- Josh Blacker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
I thought I'd also put in a complaint... -- To whom it may concern, I'm writing to you to outline a couple of areas where I do not believe that the BBC is meeting the essential criteria outlined in the BBC charter. The BBC utilises Microsoft technologies without offering an alternative Linux, free or open source alternative in these cases: * The BBC Integrated Media Player (IMP) which requires Windows and Media Player 10 * The BBC 3D photo project found here www.bbc.co.uk/britain I have outlined why I believe this strategy doesn't meet the charter and identified the parts of the charter I believe you are not meeting. * If you deliver content that can only be used by licence payers with Microsoft software you reinforce Microsoft's market monopoly. When you reinforce the monopoly you damage Microsoft's competitors. ...have regard to the competitive impact of the BBC's activities on the wider market; and ensure that the BBC observes high standards of openness and transparency. * By demonstrating a closed attitude towards technology and content where an open solution exists or can be built in partnership with the open source community you loose your independence. ...be independent in all matters concerning the content of its output, the times and manner in which this is supplied... * Relying upon only one company or organisation to provide an important part of service delivery ties you into one vendor. ...secure the independence of the BBC I'd appreciate it if you could reply to this complaint. Regards Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
James Dalley wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may all be interested in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm BBC to hear open source concerns Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to threaten the BBC with litigation before they'll listen though! Optimism! I hope also that although they will have a meeting that they will actually 'listen'. Listening is also fairly low cost. Action requires a little more commitment -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 I got this reply from them, but as you can see it's the usual... Probably automated.. Dear Mr Dalley Thank you for your e-mail. The BBC has a responsibility to distribute it's content to as many license fee payers as possible, but we must seek a cost effective way to do this - especially whilst there is no single audio-visual standard. At present the cost of providing multiple formats is prohibitively high. We currently feel Real Player is the most appropriate solution, since it is freely available on the internet and can be installed on most operating systems. We also have a large archive of real format material and a resilient technical infrastructure necessary to support it. However, the BBC is actively assessing new ways to distribute audio-visual material across the internet. We have initiated a number of trials and we are planning a new technical infrastructure which in the future will increase flexibility of our output. For instance, you can now listen live to all of our major national networks in Windows Media Audio format Thank you once again for contacting us. Regards No mention of OGG format then. It's a shame that the community can't redistribute the streams in OGG format on behalf of these media companies. Doesn't take much to do it, I manage to distribute streaming internet radio around my network by downloading the stream in mplayer and piping it to Ices which streams it out in OGG format so I can listen on any computer on my network without using double the internet bandwidth. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
On 13/07/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may all be interested in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6897050.stm BBC to hear open source concerns Oooh very good - 'tis a pity that someone has to threaten the BBC with litigation before they'll listen though! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Jason Liquorish wrote: After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as bbc.co.uk http://bbc.co.uk working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs mailing list: Hi all, The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at least the first 2 years of the service. The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the EU on the issue. To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this petition: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/ and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC: http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/ Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists that may be interested in our campaign. Thanks! -- Jason Liquorish - Bassetts OpenPGP Key - http://www.dropshock.com/jason.gpg http://blog.dropshock.com I've signed it and forwarded it on to my local LUG. I was reading the recent story on The Register about this. Seems like the comments are 50/50 against and for Linux support. I'd agree with the comments about releasing the instructions on how to implement an Open Source player. Heck, even if it does have DRM at least it will be supported by more than just Windows. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Jason Liquorish wrote: After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as bbc.co.uk http://bbc.co.uk working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs mailing list: Hi all, The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at least the first 2 years of the service. The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the EU on the issue. To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this petition: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/ and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC: http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/ Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists that may be interested in our campaign. Thanks! -- Jason Liquorish - Bassetts OpenPGP Key - http://www.dropshock.com/jason.gpg http://blog.dropshock.com Have you read the press release on this[1]? It seems that the BBC are not developing the iPlayer for just Windows. From the press release: We are committed to making it as easy as possible to use BBC iPlayer. Developing a version for Apple Macs and Microsoft Vista is absolutely on our critical path. Although they still seem to be totally ignoring the whole Open Source community and opinionprobably have no plans to release a *NIX version./opinion Without even asking the BBC I can already tell their what response would be: Blah blah blah... We are committed to opening our services to the widest range of people... Blah blah... We have to respect the rights of the publishers of their media... Blah blah... Currently there is no way of accessing DRM protected media on Linux... Blah... We are currently working on this.. Blah... Thanks for your comments BLAH (end rant) [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/06_june/27/iplayer.shtml Terence -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
signed On 10/07/07, Terence Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Liquorish wrote: After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as bbc.co.uk http://bbc.co.uk working I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs mailing list: Hi all, The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at least the first 2 years of the service. The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the EU on the issue. To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this petition: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/ and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC: http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/ Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists that may be interested in our campaign. Thanks! -- Jason Liquorish - Bassetts OpenPGP Key - http://www.dropshock.com/jason.gpg http://blog.dropshock.com Have you read the press release on this[1]? It seems that the BBC are not developing the iPlayer for just Windows. From the press release: We are committed to making it as easy as possible to use BBC iPlayer. Developing a version for Apple Macs and Microsoft Vista is absolutely on our critical path. Although they still seem to be totally ignoring the whole Open Source community and opinionprobably have no plans to release a *NIX version./opinion Without even asking the BBC I can already tell their what response would be: Blah blah blah... We are committed to opening our services to the widest range of people... Blah blah... We have to respect the rights of the publishers of their media... Blah blah... Currently there is no way of accessing DRM protected media on Linux... Blah... We are currently working on this.. Blah... Thanks for your comments BLAH (end rant) [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/06_june/27/iplayer.shtml Terence -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Matthew Larsen wrote: signed I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Hi Alan, Matthew Larsen wrote: signed I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? I signed the petition a few minutes ago - the receipt email came in within seconds. My name was on the bottom of the petition too so it all went smoothly for me. Regards, Dave ubuntu/uk-2007-07-10.txubuntu-uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ | Dave Restall, Computer Nerd, Cyclist, Radio Amateur G4FCU, Bodger | | Mob +44 (0) 7973 831245 Skype: dave.restall Radio: G4FCU | | email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : Not Ready Yet :-( | ++ | Of course a platonic relationship is possible -- but only between | | husband and wife. | ++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
Matthew Larsen wrote: yeah instantly :oS On 10/07/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Larsen wrote: signed I am trying to sign it but do not seem to have received the contact email. Did yours arrive in timely fashion? Ah, I see my name halfway up the long list so I must have signed it a while ago - so maybe duplicates are ignored :-) thanks -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 01:47:13PM +0100, alan c wrote: Ah, I see my name halfway up the long list so I must have signed it a while ago - so maybe duplicates are ignored :-) It does make me chuckle when I scroll down these petitions to see the same names pop up :) I know him! and him! *HE* signed it!? etc cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
I wonder of those who sign it have also signed up and subscribed support to the open rights group as well ? Also , wouldnt it be great to have a openID with openrights that we could use to sign the petitions with ? http://www.openrightsgroup.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Petition against BBC iplayer
After seeing a lot of posts about getting media from sites such as bbc.co.ukworking I saw this on the Nottingham LUGs mailing list: Hi all, The BBC iPlayer - which provides access to BBC programming for up to 30 days after it's aired - will be released as a Windows only application, including DRM facilities to restrict users rights, for at least the first 2 years of the service. The Open Source Consortium is running a campaign against the release of the Windows only iPlayer product - including a formal complaint to the EU on the issue. To show your support for this issue, please take a moment to sign this petition: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/ and show your support to the OSC by posting us a message (via the Contact Us area of the website), or joining the OSC: http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/ Please feel free to forward this message to any groups or mailing lists that may be interested in our campaign. Thanks! -- Jason Liquorish - Bassetts OpenPGP Key - http://www.dropshock.com/jason.gpg http://blog.dropshock.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
