[Ugnet] Re: [Mwananchi] Lion case highlights farm tensions

2005-04-29 Thread Okuto del Coli 
 AND, would you believe, an Afic helped the mad Muzungu!!!???!?!--- On Thu 04/28, Edward Mulindwa  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
From: Edward Mulindwa [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netDate: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:03:14 -0400Subject: [Ugnet] Re: [Mwananchi] Lion case highlights farm tensions



May God help us, who live with this race. EmToronto  The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
- Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:25 PMSubject: [Mwananchi] Lion case highlights farm tensions





Lion case highlights farm tensions 






 
Aside from the lion factor, the trial shows an ugly side to South AfricaThe conviction of two South Africans for throwing a black man into a lion enclosure is a reminder of the deep-rooted racial antagonisms that remain in South Africa's rural areas, BBC News's Justin Pearce reports from Johannesburg. 
South Africa has just celebrated the 11th anniversary of democratic rule under a human rights-based constitution. 
Yet on Thursday, a white man and his black employee were convicted for feeding a former black employee to lions. 
Outsiders could be forgiven for wondering what happened to the "rainbow people" vision expressed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu at the end of the apartheid era. 
In fact, what limited racial integration has happened in South Africa has been confined to the cities. 
If anything, racial tensions in the countryside have increased since the end of white minority rule. 
Slow change 
Under apartheid, black people dispossessed of their land had little option but to work for white landowners who could hire and fire employees at will. 





 
South Africans have been gripped by the trialPolice were at the service of the white farmers, helped by the "commandos", civil defence units manned by the farmers themselves. 
The landowners also controlled access to housing, in a system that bore many of the characteristics of feudalism. 
On the one hand, this system has been slow to change; on the other hand, those changes that have taken place have been regarded with deep suspicion by whites who are keenly aware of the large-scale expropriation of land from white farmers in Zimbabwe. 
South African land reform legislation, allowing black people to reclaim land from which they or their ancestors were dispossessed, has added to white fears; at the same time, the slow implementation of these laws has deepened black frustration. 
Violence 
At the same time, attacks against white landowners have become more frequent. 
Eighteen months ago, South Africa's Human Rights Commission concluded a two-year investigation into rural violence. 





 
The victim was dumped at a white lion breeding projectThe commission condemned a continuing culture of violence against black workers, and documented the murder of 1,500 white farmers in the previous 10 years. 
The report blamed the problems on the slow pace of land reform, and gaping inequalities between blacks and whites in rural areas. 
One of the sharpest analyses of contemporary South African society comes in a book called Midlands, by journalist Jonny Steinberg who investigated farm violence in the KwaZulu-Natal Midlands region. 
The author describes a world where black labour tenants still hold bitter memories of dispossession, while white farmers see themselves as the victims in something close to war. 
Collaborators 
Some observers of the "lion case" have asked how the two black co-accused could have collaborated in the killing of their former colleague. 
Again, the answer has to do with racial power relations in the countryside. 
According to one Johannesburger who grew up in a rural village: "In the bundu (bush) the white man is still baas (boss)." 
A large part of the argument turned on whether Mr Chisale was alive or dead when thrown to the lions. 
Did the big cats eat him alive, or did they consume his dead body? 
Such gruesome details ensured the case got more than its fair share of attention in the national media, in a country where many murders warrant no more than a line or two in the local paper. 
But quite aside from the gore factor, the lion trial is one of those cases that have held up a mirror to South Africa - and reflected an ugly face that most South Africans would rather not confront. 

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[Ugnet] Re: [Mwananchi] Ex-colonial officer faults amalgamation of Nigeria

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 
Goergi:

Let us put it this way, some of us have great difficulty dealing with an African "professor" who is nothing but the spokeman of a white Neo-Conservative think tank known as CATO or is it HERITAGE foundation. . In otherwords, I do not trust you and your so called solutions to Africa's problem period. ...call me whatever you want... that will just be water down my back. One thing is for certain dear Georgi, as African American Ebonic speakers would say "I AINT NO SELL OUT!!
Matek"George B.N. Ayittey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MK,A comment such as this shows how intellectually under-developed you areand how inexorably stuck you are in the colonial swamp.GET OVER COLONIALISM! It is over with! You cannot undo it, so get overit. However abominable it was, you can't say ALL the legacies ofcolonialism were/are bad. A rational and intelligent person would SHEDthe negative aspects of colonialism, keep the good aspects and MOVE ON.You are hopelessly incapable of doing so. You are stuck forever in thatcolonial mode.True, the colonialists did not leave much by way of infrastructure. Butyou couldn't keep even the little you got, much less BUILD UPON or ADDTO. Matter of fact, you DESTROYED IT!!Look at the roads in Africa. Kampala is known as the "pothole capital ofthe world." Look at the universities. True, the colonialists did notbuild
  many
 universities but Makerere University used to be called the"Harvard of Africa" in the 1950s. What happened to it now?Don't ask about Nigeria's universities. The University of Ghana, Legon,is only a shell of its former glory.I could go on and on, talking about hospitals, postal systems,telephones, etc. etc. You have systematically DESTROYED all these. Whenpeople point these out to you, you say they are imperialist andneo-colonial apologist. Stupid.George Ayittey,Washington, DC ...So much for an Imperialist and Neo-Colonialist Apologist!!!Mk"George B.N. Ayittey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any fool recognizes that despite the horrendous brutalities andterrible iniquities inflicted on Africa, colonialism brought some benefitstoo: railways, other forms of infrastructure, modern medicine, etc.
 Atthe minimum, the language at this forum -- ENGLISH -- was brought bythe colonialists. Even the Europeans have now realized that the Africans theyenslaved and colonized were not after all "barbarians." They concede that theyhave learned much from African culture, music, art, and even traditional African systems of justice. They even elect black Africans to their parliaments in Britain, Sweden, and Holland. Any contact or relationship -- even a bad one -- is a TWO-WAY. Onlya fool looks at it ONE WAY. George Ayittey, Washington, DC African Oracle wrote: 
   Please read and form your opinio! n. This is what many of us aresaying but  some Whiteman a** lickers among Africans tasting Westerncivilization for  the first time after being rescued from their cave will glorify colonization  and go to church every Sunday to thank God that their great grand father was  carted into slavery. This is because the suffering, lynching offellow  Africans that shed their blood for equal right and human dignity enables  them to continue their slavery at the backyard of a white man.I am sure if those that 
 shed
 their bloods for the freedom JamesOlolo is  enjoying today are to rise from their grave to read hisinsinuation  glorifying lynching, slavery and colonization they will shedtears.What you are about to read is just one acceptance of the flaws,the  document of the atrocities perpetrated against Africans, the destruction of  her nourishing culture and heritage, the! stealing of herartifacts are  there, some classified, some destroyed.Just wondering when Africa can get their acts together to demandfor part  payment of what is raked in by Museum o
 f
 Humanity and otherMuseums around  the world where African Artifacts have been in exhibitions fromtime  immemorial.DeleEx-colonial officer faults amalgamation of Nigeria  By Idowu Ajanaku, just back from LondonFROM one of Britain's key players in the designing of the entitycalled  Nigeria has come a damning verdict: It was a mistake on the partof the  colonial power to have forced the different ethnic groups into asingle  political entity.In a position paper titled: "Nigeri
 an
 Lesson," made available toThe  Guardian in London, Peter Smithers, who was then ParliamentaryPrivate  Secretary to the Minister of State and the Secretary of State !in the  Colonial Office (1952-1959), said, the then Secretary of Statehad intended  to have a powerful state with ample material resources to play a leading  role in Africa and the world."But in retrospect, it is clear that this was a grave mistakewhich has cost  many lives and will probably continue to do so. It should havebeen better  to establish several smaller states in a free trade area"
 ,
 hesaid.Unfortunately at the time, Smithers said the colonial power didnot have the  lessons of

[Ugnet] Mao, RWODI SCAPE-GOATS!?

2005-04-29 Thread Okuto del Coli 
 
 ( unfortunately, I have lost Mao's article. Would some good soul  forward this to him)
 
 
God bless, I did not play Hide N Seek with our brother Hon. Mao. I would have been chanceless. I would have raised my hands higher than high to surrender, if it were propitious to my conviction (and that of those who hold similar vantage point), that is. I can also be stubborn at times! But I must confess Hide N Seek is not my favorite.
 
I will for obvious reasons dodge conspirator theories and party-political strategies and tactics: I neither have the competence nor tenable platform in Ugandan politics. Also that, for the obvious reason that I do not live in Uganda.
 
Firstly, one thing we have to get on the clear is that I both applaud and recognize involved Ugandan leader’s (of various categories) industrious and relentless endeavors to accomplish peace in the conflict-hardened parts of Northern Uganda. There is no doubt about that concurrence.
 
I have no knowledge of what the actors in the conflict have in their binoculars. No sooner has the conflict come on agenda than some one hollered, “this conflict is very complex!!” 
 
But isn’t it just there (from the complexity) they should proceed?!
 
My own desire is furtherance of more MERCHANTABLE APPROACH than de facto baking problems for future generation Ugandan to battle with. Perhaps the absence of that, coupled with the obscure Acolinization of the conflict that closes on understanding, are the deficits that worry many Ugandan!?!? 
 
Could be what Hon. Mao is misinterpreting as “scape-goating” the Rwodi?! 
 
In those days, there were the ABILA. Then, the ABILA CONSTITUTION provided for mato OFUT home made conflict resolution ritual. Those were the days when neither Acoli, Uganda, the United Nations nor the rule of justice through democracy and LAW existed (at least not in our sphere). Relatively, today’s macro political inter och intra coordination and integration, is more desirable because it opens for broader participation. It is my understanding that Hon Mao realizes that de facto “Home-made conflict resolution” approach does not foster understanding both within the international community and internally among us Ugandan. Neither does it foundation tenable future institution for the resolution of similar crisis for future Ugandan generations in whom democracy and the rule of Law and JUSTICE shall be obvious.
 
That, according to my spontaneous understanding is the gravity of the dismay with the RWODI. IT IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION OF SCAPE-GRACING THE ACOLI RWODI. They are certainly doing their bests. The question seems on the contrary, whether or not their proceeding vantage point is propitious enough for the ultimate goal.
 
We are all aware of the ambivalences in all such initiatives but just those are vital in working out sustainable renaissance.
 
One other thing I miss in Hon. Mao’s repartee is DISTRIBUTION OF RESPONSIBILITIES. As a jurist and MP (legislator), Mao seems to be eluding his own share of the curse. Mao articulates very well and precisely President Musseveni’s “sinister intention” and ill-fated connivance. Question is, is it not his mandate as a legislator checkmate violations and mal practices?
 
My conclusion is that what Hon. Mao experiences as “scape-goating” of the RWODI may on the contrary be an impression for absence of merchantable platform. If we act on the globalize scheme and seek understanding there after, we should also accept and adapt as ours standard rules of the game.  
 
One merchantable is the plight of the victims. Us Omego amongst, what compensation are the victims receiving?
 
Omego Mao, the RWODI are themselves creating the labyrinth. You can’t sweep dirt (hide dirt) under the carpets and be contended that you have thoroughly swept the room!! What they are doing is baking problems for future generation Acoli to hurdle: they are making it difficult for Acoli to play in the same league as the rest of Uganda. Acoli is not an independent state, yet. Not even semi autonomous. So, we should resolve our conflicts according to prevalent common culture of JUSTICE THROUGH THE RULE OF DEMOCRACY AND LAW. Or I am I sailing?
 
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Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!

2005-04-29 Thread jonah kasangwawo 
And rightly so ! You have failed to produce any evidence and the only 
alternative you had was to give up.

From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net
To: ugandanet@kym.net
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:12:03 -0400
That does it I give up.
Em
Toronto
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie
  - Original Message -
  From: Simon Nume
  To: ugandanet@kym.net
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT 
KNOW!

  Absolute nonsense. Obote sold Muteesa House in London and ate the money.
  And people like Obote cannot waste money on educating their kids. Look 
at his sons !

  Try another one
  Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simon Nume
No what I want you to state here and now, is very simple. When Muteesa 
fled Uganda did Obote as a current president instruct bank of Uganda to 
maintain Muteesa by sending him money to London, are these Obote's 
instructions still on Uganda books?

Em
Toronto
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie
  - Original Message -
  From: Simon Nume
  To: ugandanet@kym.net
  Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did 
NOT KNOW!

  Mulindwa
  You should at least learn to spell correctly the swear words you 
use.

  Interestingly I KNOW ( and probably Kasangwawo) where he got the 
money from to go to private school and Cambridge after both his parents 
were dead.

  Just because YOU dont know is not my problem.
  Nume
  Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simon Nume
Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead 
of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing 
here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever 
send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the 
money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That is 
where the failure of Buganda is.

And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be 
bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up.

Em
Toronto
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie
  - Original Message -
  From: Simon Nume
  To: ugandanet@kym.net
  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I 
did NOT KNOW!

  Jonah
  Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK ?
  Someone should tell him that ANYONE who can afford to go to a 
private school and on to Cambridge has to have enough money and connections 
NOT to be a pipe fitter.

  Nume
  jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see that you intentionally fail to mention that Kabaka 
Mutebi studied law
at Cambridge and that he wrote for reknowned publications such 
as 'The
economist' !

You don't sound like you've seen the inside of a lecture room, 
so you might
not know this. But students do all sorts of jobs during their 
holidays. For
example Prince William of England has worked on construction 
in S. America
and so has his brother Harry in S. Africa. I don't see you 
calling them
builders.

Ssabasajja did not go to UK to become a pipe fitter. I'm 
challenging you to
produce the evidence that he did. So many times you have 
failed to provide
proof after making such wild allegations.

Kasangwawo
From: Edward Mulindwa
Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net
To:
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I 
did NOT KNOW!
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:47:27 -0400

MO

Ssabasajja is a well qualified pipe fitter, he did the course 
in UK.

Buganda's politics is so silly that it runs under the blanket 
of secrecy
that many of these facts are not mentioned any where, and the 
Kasangwawo's
only preach Obote is bad, and who ever does not agree with 
Buganda stand as
a Rwandese, but facts always remain facts. Mutebi is a pipe 
fitter and I
challenge any one to tell other

Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 
Jonah:
I can see you are on Em's neck. The fact of the matter is that there is a small biographical article about Ssebasajja Magulu Nyondo the king of Buganda in one of those British News Magazines. The Writer of the siad article , points out that  Magulu Nyondo was once a pipe fitter.

Nowthere is nothing wrong with being pipe fitter. In fact, to a certain extent , show the Humility which Ssebasaga had to go through..and probably helps him relate to his subjects.

Anyhow, swing to the US Library of Congress..and dig the infor for your self.
Peace!

Matek
jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And rightly so ! You have failed to produce any evidence and the only alternative you had was to give up.From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.netTo: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:12:03 -0400That does it I give up.EmToronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT
 KNOW! Absolute nonsense. Obote sold Muteesa House in London and ate the money. And people like Obote cannot waste money on educating their kids. Look at his sons ! Try another one Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Simon Nume No what I want you to state here and now, is very simple. When Muteesa fled Uganda did Obote as a current president instruct bank of Uganda to maintain Muteesa by sending him money to London, are these Obote's instructions still on Uganda books? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27
 , 2005
 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Mulindwa You should at least learn to spell correctly the swear words you use. Interestingly I KNOW ( and probably Kasangwawo) where he got the money from to go to private school and Cambridge after both his parents were dead. Just because YOU dont know is not my problem. Nume Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Simon Nume Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That is where th
 e
 failure of Buganda is. And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Jonah Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK ? Someone should tell him that ANYONE who can afford to go to a private school and on to Cambridge has to have enough money and connections NOT to be a pipe fitter. Nume jonah ka
 sangwawo
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I see that you intentionally fail to mention that Kabaka Mutebi studied law at Cambridge and that he wrote for reknowned publications such as 'The economist' ! You don't sound like you've seen the inside of a lecture room, so you might not know this. But students do all sorts of jobs during their holidays. For example Prince William of England has worked on construction in S. America and so has his brother Harry in S. Africa. I don't see you calling them builders. Ssabasajja did not go to UK to become a pipe fitter. I'm challenging you to produce the evidence that he did. So many times you have failed to provide proof after making such wild allegations. Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To:
 
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:47:27 -0400  MO  Ssabasajja is a well qualified pipe fitter, he did the course in UK.  Buganda's politics is so silly that it runs under the blanket of secrecy that many of these facts are not mentioned any where, and the Kasangwawo's only preach Obote is bad, and who ever does not agree with Buganda stand as a Rwandese, but facts always remain facts. Mutebi is a pipe fitter and I challenge any one to tell other wise, and I will post where he qualified.  If I post it I know it is true and

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2005-04-29 Thread Peter-Rhaina Gwokto 





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[Ugnet] WTO is for Enriching the West, Says Kituyi

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 

WTO is for Enriching the West, Says Kituyi














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The World Trade Organisation was imperialistic and meant to enrich developed nations, a minister said in Parliament.
The trade body would do nothing to reduce poverty in the country, Trade and Industry minister Mukhisa Kituyi said, putting WTO in the same league as the International Monetary Fund (IMF).












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"The WTO is not a development vehicle to deal with poverty. It is a tool of imperialism, which has overtaken IMF," he said.
Dr Kituyi was giving a statement of the status of the Doha Round of Negotiations requested by Kitutu Chache MP Jimmy Angwenyi (Ford-P).
Developing countries should slow the effects of globalisation of trade, which impacts negatively on fragile economies, he said.
He challenged MPs to seek ways of blocking the effects of world trade, which fights to open up third world markets and restrict entry into western markets.
"The only way is to form powerful lobbies to ameliorate effects of trade globalisation," he said.
Responding to concerns by MPs Angwenyi, Abdul Bahari (Isiolo South, Kanu) and Peter Munya (Tigania East, Safina) on WTO's non-reciprocity towards less developed nations, Dr Kituyi said he had put in place a G90 group, which was fighting to slow the components of trade globalisation.
The G90 group, he said, had warded off moves by rich nations to have developing nations reduce tariffs on their goods and also reduce restrictions on exports from the Third World.











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Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!

2005-04-29 Thread jonah kasangwawo 
Matek,
I acknowledge your repeated effort to support Mulindwa by referring me to 
one of those British News  Magazines, but this is off the point. Mulindwa 
claimed that Ssabasajja went to school in the UK to become a pipe fitter. He 
challenged anyone to tell other wise and threatened that he will post 
where he qualified. Now, I have been challenging him to produce the 
evidence for over a week and nothing is forthcoming. I can only deduce that 
nothing exists.

I'm sure it will not have escaped your watchful eyes that at every 
opportunity he gets, he brings up anything anti-Kabaka or anti-Buganda, even 
when there's no evidence to substantiate his allegations. So it was in this 
case. I even took the trouble to point out to him that Ssabasajja had 
studied law at Cambridge (after attending a private school in Sussex) and 
had written for renowned publications - but Mulindwa didn't want to know. I 
also tried to enlighten him about student life by giving him examples of 
Prince William and Harry, but he wanted to remain ignorant. This only proves 
that he did it in bad faith.

Now you join the fray by making it seem as if I started it all, instead of 
telling your friend to shut it if he can't produce the evidence he promised 
! No sir, I'm not going to swing to the US Library of Congress to do the 
research for him.

Kasangwawo
From: Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net
To: ugandanet@kym.net
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:17:45 -0700 (PDT)
Jonah:
I can see you are on Em's neck. The fact of the matter is that there is a 
small biographical article about  Ssebasajja Magulu Nyondo the king of 
Buganda in one of those British News  Magazines.  The Writer  of the siad 
article , points out that   Magulu Nyondo was once a pipe fitter.

Now there is nothing wrong with being pipe fitter. In fact, to a certain 
extent ,  show the Humility which Ssebasaga had to go through..and probably 
helps him relate to his subjects.

Anyhow,  swing to the US Library of Congress..and dig the infor for your 
self.
Peace!

Matek
jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And rightly so ! You have failed to produce any evidence and the only
alternative you had was to give up.
From: Edward Mulindwa
Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net
To:
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT 
KNOW!
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:12:03 -0400

That does it I give up.

Em
Toronto
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy
 Groupe de communication Mulindwas
avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie

 - Original Message -
 From: Simon Nume
 To: ugandanet@kym.net
 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT
KNOW!


 Absolute nonsense. Obote sold Muteesa House in London and ate the money.
 And people like Obote cannot waste money on educating their kids. Look
at his sons !

 Try another one


 Edward Mulindwa wrote:
 Simon Nume

 No what I want you to state here and now, is very simple. When Muteesa
fled Uganda did Obote as a current president instruct bank of Uganda to
maintain Muteesa by sending him money to London, are these Obote's
instructions still on Uganda books?

 Em
 Toronto

 The Mulindwas Communication Group
 With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy
 Groupe de communication Mulindwas
 avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie

 - Original Message -
 From: Simon Nume
 To: ugandanet@kym.net
 Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did
NOT KNOW!


 Mulindwa

 You should at least learn to spell correctly the swear words you
use.

 Interestingly I KNOW ( and probably Kasangwawo) where he got the
money from to go to private school and Cambridge after both his parents
were dead.

 Just because YOU dont know is not my problem.

 Nume

 Edward Mulindwa wrote:
 Simon Nume

 Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead
of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing
here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever
send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the
money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That 
is
where the failure of Buganda is.


 And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be
bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up.

 Em
 Toronto
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
 With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy
 Groupe de communication Mulindwas
 avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie

 - Original Message -
 From: Simon Nume
 To: ugandanet@kym.net
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I
did NOT KNOW!


 Jonah

 Has Mulindwa ever met anyone privately educated in the UK ?

Re: [Ugnet] Buganda's treachery in Uganda...

2005-04-29 Thread musamize 
Mr Wambuga:

Where and when was this published?B Wambuga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






Return of a Patriarch and Baganda’s history of treachery


By Elias Biryabarema


If we were all to be as ravenously vindictive as the Baganda are in their crusade against the return of the patriarch, Dr Milton Obote from Zambia, then what a nasty nation Uganda would be.In fact, if people were to be humble and forgiving, then Baganda would know better: for they can’t have forgotten that they colluded in the first theft of Ugandans’ sovereignty; the British having tapped into their legendary gullibility, opportunism and propensity for treachery to launch their vicious aggression against the Ugandan people.It was they that shook the hands of Captain Lugard and his imperial ilk and proceeded to swiftly turn themselves into proxies and compatriots of the enemy. The Baganda treasonously ganged up with the British to desecrate and destroy Bunyoro, subsequently annexing all other regions through a crafty mix of deception and intimidati
  on to
 put them under the queen’s rule. What was the motivation for this crime? Greed, avarice and mindless naivety. Through the six decades or so of the stifling British colonialism, Ugandans never forgot the “enemy within” that was in fact the real force of white repression, for it was he (Buganda) that had traded off our power in their evil schemes—and childlike excitement—with Europeans.It is thus logical to ask why the Banyoro, who had their royal heritage ravaged, their land stolen and the rest of our people conquered and humiliated, have never so much as asked the Baganda to apologise, let alone atone for that criminal conduct. For a people with such historical record of criminality therefore, (it’s not entirely unfair for the sons to bear the sins of their forefathers, but Europeans still carry the guilty over their savagery of Jews and are continuing to pay huge amounts for crimes of seven decades ago); how stupefying that they are the first to cast the fir
  st
 stone. That they are cheerleaders of efforts to strip Obote of his truest image as the father of the nation, the loudest in stoking hatred against him, ever more ready to undercut efforts to return this man. How vexing!We must rise collectively to douse this unworthy anti-Obote fire and let our Mzee return in peace and enjoy his evenings with the reverence, grace and honour he deserves. The issue of culpability in the Luweero massacres is a muddy and complex one. And I would say it’s useless to let unexorcised ghosts of the past entangle current efforts to steady Uganda on its onward march: a situation that inevitably requires national harmony, goodwill and a culture of respect for retired leaders, more so for an independence figure that Obote is. Obote’s account of what went on in the jungles of Luweero and the counterpoint by Museveni excerpted from his Mustard Seed book, have just shown us the futility of trying to fix blame for crimes in a hig
  hly
 fluid and volatile period that the early 1980s were. After reading both stories, you end up persuaded by neither: suffice to note here though, that clues have continued to pop up incriminating NRA insurgents, said to have used the cruel guerilla tactic of brutalising civilians while disguised as their enemy forces to discredit and rob it of grassroots support. What we are certain of is that soldiers murdered civilians: as to whether they were UNLA and under Obote’s explicit directive or NRA on Museveni’s orders will perhaps remain infinitely mysterious. Museveni himself, who accuses Obote, was reported to have wondered while in northern Uganda recently whether Obote was aware of the killings or savage soldiers simply committed those atrocities on their own. That wondering suggested his awareness of the difficulty of attempting to pin Obote without compelling proof. The Luweero war has little authentic documentation that offers us evidence abundant
  and
 plausible enough to determine the guilty with pinpoint accuracy. Let us nurture a culture not of retribution, but reconciliation. John Nagenda through his acidic Saturday writings, alongside Luweero boss, Hajji Abdul Nadduli, have been leaders in denigrating Obote, scorning him as an unrepentant and unremorseful master minder of massacres. What is good for the gander is also good for the goose: If we demand that Obote apologises, then I would rather Nagenda and Nadduli show the way by first apologising or better still atoning for the criminal treachery of their forbears that inflicted such harm to the peoples of this nation. The Banyoro have never forgotten. 
Years of blistering attacks and defacing will not diminish Obote’s noble role in the evolution of Uganda as a modern state and Africa as a continent: notably his patriotic personality, his chivalrous stewardship of the independence struggles, two episodes of presidential incumbency, development of some of the best infrastructure Uganda has ever known and contribution to

[Ugnet] Sayansi N'omuntu wa Bulijjo: Zebra x Donkey = Zonkey (Deebra?)

2005-04-29 Thread musamize 



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Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!

2005-04-29 Thread musamize 
Mr. Kasangwawo:

Don't confuse (hateful) people with facts ...jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matek,I acknowledge your repeated effort to support Mulindwa by referring me to "one of those British News Magazines", but this is off the point. Mulindwa claimed that Ssabasajja went to school in the UK to become a pipe fitter. He challenged anyone "to tell other wise" and threatened that "he will post where he qualified." Now, I have been challenging him to produce the evidence for over a week and nothing is forthcoming. I can only deduce that nothing exists.I'm sure it will not have escaped your watchful eyes that at every opportunity he gets, he brings up anything anti-Kabaka or anti-Buganda, even when there's no evidence to substantiate his allegations. So it was in this case. I even took the trouble to point out to him that Ssabasajja had studied law at Cambridge (after attending a private school in Sussex) and 
 had
 written for renowned publications - but Mulindwa didn't want to know. I also tried to enlighten him about student life by giving him examples of Prince William and Harry, but he wanted to remain ignorant. This only proves that he did it in bad faith.Now you join the fray by making it seem as if I started it all, instead of telling your friend to shut it if he can't produce the evidence he promised ! No sir, I'm not going to "swing to the US Library of Congress" to do the research for him.KasangwawoFrom: Matek Opoko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.netTo: ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:17:45 -0700 (PDT)Jonah:I can see you are on Em's neck. The fact of the matter is that there is a small biographical article about Ssebasajja Magulu Nyondo the king of Bugan
 da in
 one of those British News Magazines. The Writer of the siad article , points out that Magulu Nyondo was once a pipe fitter.Now there is nothing wrong with being pipe fitter. In fact, to a certain extent , show the Humility which Ssebasaga had to go through..and probably helps him relate to his subjects.Anyhow, swing to the US Library of Congress..and dig the infor for your self.Peace!Matekjonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:And rightly so ! You have failed to produce any evidence and the onlyalternative you had was to give up. From: "Edward Mulindwa" Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW! Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:12:03 -0400  That does it I
  give
 up.  Em Toronto  The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"  Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"   - Original Message -  From: Simon Nume  To: ugandanet@kym.net  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:23 AM  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!Absolute nonsense. Obote sold Muteesa House in London and ate the money.  And people like Obote cannot waste money on educating their kids. Look at his sons !   Try another oneEdward Mulindwa wrote:  Simon Nume   No what I want you to state here and now, is very simple. When Muteesa<
 BR>
 fled Uganda did Obote as a current president instruct bank of Uganda to maintain Muteesa by sending him money to London, are these Obote's instructions still on Uganda books?   Em  Toronto   The Mulindwas Communication Group  "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"  Groupe de communication Mulindwas  "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"   - Original Message -  From: Simon Nume  To: ugandanet@kym.net  Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:07 AM  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now that I did NOT KNOW!Mulindwa   You should at least learn to spell correctly the swear words you use.   Interestingly I KNOW ( and probably Kasangwawo) 
 where he
 got the money from to go to private school and Cambridge after both his parents were dead.   Just because YOU dont know is not my problem.   Nume   Edward Mulindwa wrote:  Simon Nume   Where did Mutebi get that money from. Address the issues instead of sending firkin snipes. Yes he had the money but what we are discussing here is where was it coming from? Did you Simon Nume or Kasangwawo ever send money to Mutebi for his studies? How dare you claim how he had the money to study in Cambridge but you can not acknowledge the source? That is where the failure of Buganda is.And I swear we will live to death but every single leader will be bad to Buganda for we as a tribe are just too fucked up.   Em &
 gt;
 Toronto  The Mulindwas Communication Group  "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"  Groupe de communication Mulindwas  "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"   - Original Message -  From: Simon Nume  To: ugandanet@kym.net  Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:50 AM  Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Kabaka Mutebi a Pipe fitter!..Now

Re: [Ugnet] WTO is for Enriching the West, Says Kituyi

2005-04-29 Thread musamize 











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WTO is for Enriching the West, Says Kituyi














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April 28, 2005 Posted to the web April 28, 2005 
Bernard NamunaneNairobi 
The World Trade Organisation was imperialistic and meant to enrich developed nations, a minister said in Parliament.
The trade body would do nothing to reduce poverty in the country, Trade and Industry minister Mukhisa Kituyi said, putting WTO in the same league as the International Monetary Fund (IMF).












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"The WTO is not a development vehicle to deal with poverty. It is a tool of imperialism, which has overtaken IMF," he said.
Dr Kituyi was giving a statement of the status of the Doha Round of Negotiations requested by Kitutu Chache MP Jimmy Angwenyi (Ford-P).
Developing countries should slow the effects of globalisation of trade, which impacts negatively on fragile economies, he said.
He challenged MPs to seek ways of blocking the effects of world trade, which fights to open up third world markets and restrict entry into western markets.
"The only way is to form powerful lobbies to ameliorate effects of trade globalisation," he said.
Responding to concerns by MPs Angwenyi, Abdul Bahari (Isiolo South, Kanu) and Peter Munya (Tigania East, Safina) on WTO's non-reciprocity towards less developed nations, Dr Kituyi said he had put in place a G90 group, which was fighting to slow the components of trade globalisation.
The G90 group, he said, had warded off moves by rich nations to have developing nations reduce tariffs on their goods and also reduce restrictions on exports from the Third World.











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[Ugnet] Over 190 Civilians in Makindye Barracks

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 

Over 190 Civilians in Makindye Barracks














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April 30, 2005 Posted to the web April 29, 2005 
Frank NyakairuKampala 
Scores of civilians are languishing in Makindye Military Police Prison without trial. At least 195 civilians have been the prison for the last two years. But the head of Military Police, Lt Col Dick Bugingo, contested the figures of the civilian detainees and reports that there was any hunger strike a fortnight ago.
"I have given people access to this place to look for the civilian detainees but they could not see them and even if they are there they are not 195," Bugingo said on telephone.








" I do not know that the prisoners here have been on hunger strike, that's not true," he said.
The prisoners, most of whom were arrested by Operation Wembley personnel in the 2002 anti-armed robbery campaign, have been kept incommunicado and have not been produced before the General Military Court Martial (GCM) - chaired by Lt. Gen. Elly Tumwine.
Sources inside the prison said even the prisoners' three-day hunger strike a fortnight ago did not sway the army authorities. The prisoners were protesting against their prolonged detention.
"We have been kept here for two years now without trial. What these people have resorted to is to keep us here and we have no hope of ever getting out," one of the prisoners told The Monitor in an interview inside the prison.
The Military Police prison facility houses about 500 detainees, split in two groups.
About 86 prisoners, 76 of whom are civilians are kept in a go-down," a source said.
"They do not come out, they do not receive visitors, they do not get bail or trial," he said. The other 119 civilians are in the general remand section and have appeared before the GCM but the cases have stalled.
Tumwine is on a military course in Kimaka, Jinja. He has only weekends to attend to the court.
Over 100 detainees in the remand section staged a hunger strike two weeks ago demanding justice. Sources said six ringleaders have since been removed from the general cell and detained separately.
The Military Police leadership is said to have convened several meetings over the strike.
"If we do not get justice, we will resume the strike until we die," a civilian prisoner said.
In 2002, at the height of armed robberies in Kampala city, President Museveni gave Col. Elly Kayanja the mandate to hunt and rid the city of robbers.
Several robbers were killed and several hundreds were detained. The presidential orders also stipulated that whoever was found with a firearm should be tried before the General Court Martial. Operation Wembley led by Col Elly Kayanja came under fire for using brutal interrogation methods.











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[Ugnet] Re: [Mwananchi] Ex-colonial officer faults amalgamation of Nigeria

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 
Georgi Boy!
Like I said, based on your numerous utterences, You simply do not come across as geniune. Like they say, Wanna know alot about a man or woman, observe the company hekeeps or associates with. Simply put I do NOT TRUST YOU, and by implication your so called African solution to Africa's problems... and like any Human Being who occupies this planet earth, I would like to think that I am entitle to my opinion!! case closed! Good luck selling your book!

Matek"George B.N. Ayittey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MK,YEAH!! You people have taken this anti-white diatribes to new heights ofLUNACY.By the definition of you and your LUNACY BRIGADE,led by GENERAL Ojo, anyblack African who comes into contact with a white person, associateswith a white organization, works in a white corporation, or even teacheswhite students is a SELL-OUT. You talk as if you have NEVER had any dealings or contact with a whiteperson. Clear out of my face. You don't even know what "conservative"means.George Ayittey,Washington, DCGoergi:Let us put it this way, some of us have great difficulty dealing withan African "professor" who is nothingbut the spokeman of a white Neo-Conservative think tank known as CATO or is it HERITAGE foundation. . In otherwords, I do not trust you and 
 your so
 calledsolutions to Africa's problem period. ...callme whatever you want... that will just be water down my back. One thingis for certain dear Georgi, asAfrican American Ebonic speakers would say "I AINT NO SELL OUT!!Matek"George B.N. Ayittey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK, A comment such as this shows how intellectually under-developed youare and how inexorably stuck you are in the colonial swamp. GET OVER COLONIALISM! It is over with! You cannot undo it, so getover it. However abominable it was, you can't say ALL the legacies of colonialism were/are bad. A rational and intelligent person wouldSHED the negative aspects of colonialism, keep the good aspects and MOVEON. You are hopelessly in
 capable
 of doing so. You are stuck forever inthat colonial mode. True, the colonialists did not leave much by way of infrastructure.But you couldn't keep even the little you got, much less BUILD UPON orADD TO. Matter of fact, you DESTROYED IT!! Look at the roads in Africa. Kampala is known as the "potholecapital of the world." Look at the universities. True, the colonialists didnot buil! d many universities but Makerere University used to be calledthe "Harvard of Africa" in the 1950s. What happened to it now? Don't ask about Nigeria's universities. The University of Ghana,Legon, is only a shell of its former glory. I could go on and on, talk
 ing
 about hospitals, postal systems, telephones, etc. etc. You have systematically DESTROYED all these.When people point these out to you, you say they are imperialist and neo-colonial apologist. Stupid. George Ayittey, Washington, DC  ...So much for an Imperialist and Neo-Colonialist Apologist!!! Mk "George B.N. Ayittey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any fool recognizes that despite the horrendous brutalitiesand terrible iniquities inflicted on Africa, colonialism brought somebenefits
 too: railways, other forms of infrastructure, modern medicine, etc.At the minimum, the language at this forum -- ENGLISH -- was broughtby the colonialists. Even the Europeans have now realized that the Africans they enslaved and colonized were not after all "barbarians." They concede thatthey have learned much from African culture, music, art, and eventraditional African systems of justice. They even elect black Africans
 totheir parliaments in Britain, Sweden, and Holland. Any contact or relationship -- even a bad one -- is a TWO-WAY.Only a fool looks at it ONE WAY. George Ayittey, Washington, DC African Oracle wrote:Please read and form your opinio! n. This is what many of usare saying but  some Whiteman a** lickers among Afric
 ans
 tasting Western civilization for  the first time after being rescued from their cave willglorify colonization  and go to church every Sunday to thank God that their greatgrand father was  carted into slavery. This is because the suffering,lynching of fellow  Africans that shed their blood for equal right and humandignity enables  them to continue their slavery at the
 backyard of a whiteman.I am sure if those that! shed their bloods for the freedomJames Ololo is  enjoying today are to rise from their grave to read his insinuation  glorifying lynching, slavery and colonization they will shed tears.What you are about to read is just one acceptance of theflaws, the  document of the atrocities perpetrated against Africans,
 the destruction of  her nourishing culture and heritage, the! stealing of her artifacts are  there, some classified, some destroyed.Just wondering when Africa can get their acts together todemand for part  payment of what is raked in by Museum ! of Humanity andother Museums around  the world where African Artifacts have been in
 exhibitionsfrom time  immemorial.DeleEx-colonial

[Ugnet] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: Fwd: Profile of Salim Ahmed Salim: Chifu, Can you read and comment for me

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 
The fact the matter is that 4,000,000 Congolese citizens died in DRC Congo. The Brits were very much part of the Conspiracy (with Museveni) which lead to war in DRC Congo; a war which lead to the death of manyCongolese!!

Now you can make nonesensical noise all you want, but many Africans who have first hand information on the ground in Uganda and DRC know that what I am stating is the truth nothing else but the truth !

Matek"George B.N. Ayittey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, they are blaming bad leadership on British imperialists. What next?Rape, corruption, pillage of the treasury, brutal repression, etc. etc.etc. are all the fault of Western imperialists. This takes madness tonew heights of lunacy.George Ayittey,Washington, DCIn [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear sister Pamela: Africans realize that there exist some bad leadership on our continent.We are very much aware that some of this bad leadership , are nothing but stooges of British Imperalist. This bad leadershipconduct and implement the work of imperialist.  They are the Nyampara ( foreman) so to say, with a whip at hand whosejob is to ensure that the natives abide by the rules as dictated by the master at # 10 Downing street! 
 p;
 That stated, I personally have no objection to Salim Saleh candidaturefor the President of Tanzania. I believe Salim Saleh is a good nobleman whose carreer at the OAU headquarters in Addis Ababa , I have followed with very keen interest.  I believe salim Ahmed salim would make a Good President for our fellow Africans in Tanzania. It is , however, not up to me or Dr. Ojo or Mulindwa, to decide for Tanzanians what is good for Tanzanians. Peace sister!! MatekMwananchi is an open forum that discusses/updates you on the latest news in Africa. It is a group that is made up of 900 members worldwide. To join it simply go to http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/mwananchi

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[Ugnet] Re: [Mwananchi] Re: Fwd: Profile of Salim Ahmed Salim: Chifu, Can you read and comment for me

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 
Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




George Ayitteyi

Iddi Amin was installed to presidency by the British and the Israelis, the man who commanded the Tanks that took over Kampala was Col. Balevi. Iddi Amin was immediately recognized by United Kingdom.

The interlectual pimp,( with his assistant that British woman) who parades himself as I hear "professor" does not want to hear this or take note of this glaring evidence.

In fact the first Western minister to recognize him was the British foreign secretary, and his words were "Amin is a very good leader who will see Uganda moving ahead" The British foreign secretary was comparing Iddi Amin to President Obote who had been thrown out of power again by the same British.
When Amin came to power, the State Research man who was leading in the killing of Ugandans on Lake Victoria was Bob Astles, again A British who is today a free man in UK.

Ugandans decided to take it to them selves and out of Tanzania they fought Iddi Amin and threw him out of power, Uganda got an election and we got an elected government. The same British through Lohnor and a whole list of names I can give you, funded a bandit to take over an elected government. 

Museveni has put more than half of Uganda into camps for now 20 straight years. Although Ugandans have expressed their concerns on deaths and camps in Uganda the British have continued to maintain Uganda government financially through Linda Chalker. The deaths of Ugandans continue.

Sir should we today blame Ugandans for the poor leadership they have since 1971?

Em
Toronto

Now this pimps are over here making noise Mbhu... the Problems of Africa are entirely internal... what fools... give us a break... we are nobody's fool

Matek

The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"

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Now, they are blaming bad leadership on British imperialists. What next?Rape, corruption, pillage of the treasury, brutal repression, etc. etc.etc. are all the fault of Western imperialists. This takes madness tonew heights of lunacy.George Ayittey,Washington, DCIn [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:Dear sister Pamela: Africans realize that there exist some bad leadership on our continent.We are very much aware that some of this bad leadership , are nothing but stooges of British Imperalist. This bad leadershipconduct and implement the work of imperialist.  They are the Nyampara ( foreman) so to say, with a whip at hand whosejob is to ensure that the natives abide by the rules as dictated by the master at # 10 Downing street!  <
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 stated, I personally have no objection to Salim Saleh candidaturefor the President of Tanzania. I believe Salim Saleh is a good nobleman whose carreer at the OAU headquarters in Addis Ababa , I have followed with very keen interest.  I believe salim Ahmed salim would make a Good President for our fellow Africans in Tanzania. It is , however, not up to me or Dr. Ojo or Mulindwa, to decide for Tanzanians what is good for Tanzanians. Peace sister!! MatekMwananchi is an open forum that discusses/updates you on the latest news in Africa. It is a group that is made up of 900 members worldwide. To join it simply go to http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/mwananchiMwananchi is an open forum that discusses/updates you on the latest news in Africa. It is a group that is made up of 900 memb
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[Ugnet] Interahamwe Kill 29 in Kivu

2005-04-29 Thread Matek Opoko 

Interahamwe Kill 29 in Kivu














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April 29, 2005 Posted to the web April 29, 2005 
Patrick BigaboKigali 
Twenty nine people were massacred by marauding Interahamwe in South Kivu province of North western DR Congo, the United Nations Mission in Congo (MONUC) has confirmed.
According to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), the victims are said to have been waylaid in an ambush staged by the Hutu militias. The victims were on their way to a mining camp to supply food to gold miners and MONUC says its staff is in the area to investigate the matter.








The MONUC owned radio, Okapi, that is based in the DRC quoting eye-witnesses said they saw spouses and five other people being painfully beheaded by the Interahamwe at Kakala mining site.
Residents in the locality of Kyoka said the slaughters were a result of misunderstandings between the insurgents and a former Mayi Mayi warriors' Major based in Shabunda.
According to media reports the Major allegedly failed to respect his commitments, after receiving four kilograms of Gold to allow the fighters to settle there, exploit the mines and collect taxes from the different locals in the region.











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The presence of the FDLR and other insurgents in the DRC has ensured that relations between the two countries, the DRC and Rwanda, remain shaky.
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[Ugnet] Poor Ugandan VP

2005-04-29 Thread B Wambuga 
Netters,
Once again I sympathise with our Ugandan VP in his reaction to the British move to cut Aid to Uganda. One wonders how VP Bukenya could not tell the difference between the British third term and dictator Museveni's third term. Bukenya should realise that Blair followers do not have to wear "Bisanja", and go bamboozling people everywhere and Blair blasting out about whether the British want it or not, he will still be there for fifty years. Furthermore, Blair and his party do not have to muzzle the Britts and drag them to a referendum about changing any system. 

I see they are really beggining to act erratically. They know that they arefalling now. Remember Mr. Aziz?

The Vice President, Prof. Gilbert Bukenya, criticised the British government for practicing what he termed double standard on the question of the third term.“The British oppose the third term pushed by Ugandans simply because we are poor and we cannot stand up and tell them off,” Bukenya said on Tuesday while addressing members of the Uganda Local Government Association from 10 districts in the Central region at Mpigi.He said: “Let the British High Commissioner to Uganda first advise Tony Blair to stop seeking a third term before he opposes Museveni.” 
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[Ugnet] UK £5m aid cut pressures Uganda - BBC - 29/4/2005

2005-04-29 Thread Omar Kezimbira 




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Museveni has been seen as part of the new generation of democratic leaders in AfricaThe UK government has cancelled £5m ($10m) of funding to Uganda, because it feels not enough has been done to establish fair multi-party politics. 
About half of Uganda's entire budget comes from donor funding. 
Political parties have for years been severely restricted and some opposition groups have urged donors to cut aid. 
Multi-party elections are expected to return next year, but some say the government is not doing enough to ensure a smooth transition. 
Warning 
Although the British have handed over almost 90% of the proposed funding for the year, the BBC's Will Ross in Kampala says this action is intended to send out a message: "The British government will work with you and support you but only if the political process is fair." 





 
The political temperature has been rising in recent monthsSince President Yoweri Museveni came to power 18 years ago, Uganda has operated a unique political system which severely restricted political parties but the political landscape is set to change. 
The Ugandan government and opposition parties have said they all support a return to multi-party politics ahead of elections in a year's time. 
The political temperature in Uganda has been increasing in recent months - partly because of attempts to amend the constitution and allow President Museveni to run for office again. 
As the British-led Commission for Africa is calling for more aid to the continent, other donor countries share the British concern over the current political transition in Uganda. 
At the launch of the commission, rock star turned anti-poverty campaigner Sir Bob Geldof said that his admiration for Mr Museveni's fight against poverty and Aids had now been lost due to the moves to let Uganda's leader remain in office. 
"Get a grip Museveni. Your time is up, go away," he said. 
This cut in funding is a reminder that Uganda stands to lose a great deal more if donor countries are not seeing good governance and a level playing field ahead of next year's elections, our correspondent says. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___
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Re:For Musamizi: [Ugnet] Buganda's treachery in Uganda...

2005-04-29 Thread B Wambuga 
Bwana Musamizi,

This is current in the "Opinions and Comments" section of the monitor. musamize [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mr Wambuga:

Where and when was this published?B Wambuga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






Return of a Patriarch and Baganda’s history of treachery


By Elias Biryabarema


If we were all to be as ravenously vindictive as the Baganda are in their crusade against the return of the patriarch, Dr Milton Obote from Zambia, then what a nasty nation Uganda would be.In fact, if people were to be humble and forgiving, then Baganda would know better: for they can’t have forgotten that they colluded in the first theft of Ugandans’ sovereignty; the British having tapped into their legendary gullibility, opportunism and propensity for treachery to launch their vicious aggression against the Ugandan people.It was they that shook the hands of Captain Lugard and his imperial ilk and proceeded to swiftly turn themselves into proxies and compatriots of the enemy. The Baganda treasonously ganged up with the British to desecrate and destroy Bunyoro, subsequently annexing all other regions through a crafty mix of deception and intimidati
  on to
 put them under the queen’s rule. What was the motivation for this crime? Greed, avarice and mindless naivety. Through the six decades or so of the stifling British colonialism, Ugandans never forgot the “enemy within” that was in fact the real force of white repression, for it was he (Buganda) that had traded off our power in their evil schemes—and childlike excitement—with Europeans.It is thus logical to ask why the Banyoro, who had their royal heritage ravaged, their land stolen and the rest of our people conquered and humiliated, have never so much as asked the Baganda to apologise, let alone atone for that criminal conduct. For a people with such historical record of criminality therefore, (it’s not entirely unfair for the sons to bear the sins of their forefathers, but Europeans still carry the guilty over their savagery of Jews and are continuing to pay huge amounts for crimes of seven decades ago); how stupefying that they are the first to cast the fir
  st
 stone. That they are cheerleaders of efforts to strip Obote of his truest image as the father of the nation, the loudest in stoking hatred against him, ever more ready to undercut efforts to return this man. How vexing!We must rise collectively to douse this unworthy anti-Obote fire and let our Mzee return in peace and enjoy his evenings with the reverence, grace and honour he deserves. The issue of culpability in the Luweero massacres is a muddy and complex one. And I would say it’s useless to let unexorcised ghosts of the past entangle current efforts to steady Uganda on its onward march: a situation that inevitably requires national harmony, goodwill and a culture of respect for retired leaders, more so for an independence figure that Obote is. Obote’s account of what went on in the jungles of Luweero and the counterpoint by Museveni excerpted from his Mustard Seed book, have just shown us the futility of trying to fix blame for crimes in a hig
  hly
 fluid and volatile period that the early 1980s were. After reading both stories, you end up persuaded by neither: suffice to note here though, that clues have continued to pop up incriminating NRA insurgents, said to have used the cruel guerilla tactic of brutalising civilians while disguised as their enemy forces to discredit and rob it of grassroots support. What we are certain of is that soldiers murdered civilians: as to whether they were UNLA and under Obote’s explicit directive or NRA on Museveni’s orders will perhaps remain infinitely mysterious. Museveni himself, who accuses Obote, was reported to have wondered while in northern Uganda recently whether Obote was aware of the killings or savage soldiers simply committed those atrocities on their own. That wondering suggested his awareness of the difficulty of attempting to pin Obote without compelling proof. The Luweero war has little authentic documentation that offers us evidence abundant
  and
 plausible enough to determine the guilty with pinpoint accuracy. Let us nurture a culture not of retribution, but reconciliation. John Nagenda through his acidic Saturday writings, alongside Luweero boss, Hajji Abdul Nadduli, have been leaders in denigrating Obote, scorning him as an unrepentant and unremorseful master minder of massacres. What is good for the gander is also good for the goose: If we demand that Obote apologises, then I would rather Nagenda and Nadduli show the way by first apologising or better still atoning for the criminal treachery of their forbears that inflicted such harm to the peoples of this nation. The Banyoro have never forgotten. 
Years of blistering attacks and defacing will not diminish Obote’s noble role in the evolution of Uganda as a modern state and Africa as a continent: notably his patriotic personality, his chivalrous stewardship of the independence struggles, two

[Ugnet] ANOTHER BRITISH MURDERER

2005-04-29 Thread Edward Mulindwa 





  
  

  
  Peer's son on Kenya murder charge 
  

  


  
 
Thomas Cholmondeley is escorted to court to face a 
murder chargeA 
  British aristocrat and prominent rancher has been charged with murdering a 
  Maasai game warden in Kenya. 
  Kenyan citizen Thomas Cholmondeley, 45, son of the 5th Baron Delamere, 
  pleaded not guilty at Nakuru High Court and was remanded in custody until 
  6 May. 
  He is accused of gunning down one of three undercover wardens as they 
  tried to detain some of his employees, whom they had found skinning a dead 
  buffalo. 
  The 16 workers have been charged with illegally possessing a game 
  trophy. 
  If convicted of murdering the warden, Simon Ole Sasina, Mr Cholmondeley 
  could face the death sentence. 
  'Deceit' 
  The case has sent shockwaves through Kenya's central Rift Valley 
  region, highlighting the security fears of landowners and the resentment 
  of the local Maasai population. 
  Mr Cholmondeley is heir to a massive 100,000-acre farm in the area, 
  acquired by his great-grandfather, who was one of Kenya's first white 
  settlers. 
  On Monday, a Maasai tribal leader threatened to organize his tribesmen 
  to invade the Cholmondeley ranch, which is one of the largest in Kenya. 
  The Maasai say all the land occupied by Kenya's white settlers and 
  their families was deceitfully taken from them in 1904, soon after Britain 
  colonized the country. 
  Kenya gained independence in 1963 but the Maasai say successive 
  governments have done little to address their grievances. 
  
  Last year, they launched a campaign to reclaim back their land using 
  peaceful, legal means. 
  Meanwhile, white farmers in the region have been increasingly targeted 
  by violent criminals, with two of them - a Briton and a Dutchman - killed 
  in recent armed robberies. 
The Mulindwas Communication Group"With 
Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in 
anarchy" 
Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans 
l'anarchie"
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[Ugnet] Identity Theft!!!!

2005-04-29 Thread B Wambuga 
Netters,
I am having a hard time beleiving the writter of the letter copied herebelow. On analysing it carefully, I come with the following facts about the writer and "his" intentions:
a- the writer is a man, not a woman as "he" wanted us to beleive from "his" signature. The diflection of "his" tone is macho. Add to that the use of the verbs are masculine not feminine.

b-The approach to the issue of suffering has more of a "manly" feeling without a tone of lady feeling.

c-His logic of arguement is more militaristic than a politician's. That means he must served in the military or some kind of security organ.

d- Obviously the man is not a northerner or of Luo decent, say by the undertone of his language (although he seems to have quiet a handy knowledge of the north). His spelling or the area he has referred to do not have the Luo twang in them. 

e-And finally, the topic he has choosen to talk about is misconstrued and missed the point.

So members, the guys are hurting and they are now coming out even in comuflage and identity theft tactics.

Bwambuga.
Obote apologists mistaken 

I just can’t understand why so many Obote apologists have sprung up of late.Many of them are quick to absolve former president Milton Obote from the Luweero massacres by arguing that Obote was defending the country! This is a deeply painful insult to the people of Luweero; especially the ones who lost loved ones. A leader of a country certainly does not defend his country by killing the very people he is supposed to defend. Neither will I buy the argument that the majority of the Luweero people died in crossfires between UNLA forces and NRA. Available evidence indicates that there was a deliberate policy of reprisal against entire villages whenever it was suspected that the rebels had any kind of contact with those villages.We have had other similar insurgencies in Uganda during the present regime. A case in point is the ADF insurgency in the West. Until it came to an end, never did we witness any kind of reprisal or massacre car
 ried out
 by the government forces, it was always the insurgents who meted out atrocities. The only blemishes on the otherwise clean UPDF record are the POW deaths at Mukura, Burcoro and Kasese. And typical of the NRA/UPDF code of conduct, the culprits in all those incidents were arrested and brought to book. I know of no court martial that was carried out against any UNLA officer or man for human rights violations during the UPC administration.Obote himself should stop trying to fool the country. The citizens of Luweero very well knew who was their tormentor. Had it to have been the NRA as he wants us to believe, the citizens of Luweero would easily have detected it and the elite amongst them would have brought it to the international limelight. Right now the people in the north of Uganda are very much aware that it’s the LRA that’s abducting, killing and maiming them. The cries for Obote’s pardon are completely misplaced. Those clamoring for Obote’s p
 ardon
 would like to hide him behind the amnesty being extended to the rebels. Obote should not now come out of the blue and shield himself from prosecution by pleading that the amnesty should be extended to him. Let him be tried for the crimes he committed. Frankline AumaKampala 

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