Re: Mulindwa Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\
On Obote's concentration camps: what comparisons do they bear to camps in Northern Uganda? Those of us whose relatives were butchered at Oyite-Ojok's and/or Obote's orders can hardly be expected to feel even the slightest empathy or sorrow for either of these murderers. I do not eaxctly remember any Acholi or Langi sorrowfully mourning the passing of their former partner in murder, Idi Amin. Why is that? So what is this silly debate really about if not mere hollier-than-thou posturing? --- The Fugee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mulindwa, The population of Luwero was about 600,000 when Museveni launched his war. The population growth rate of Luwero was only beaten by that of Tororo between 1969 and 1980 and this can be explained in the multi-ethnic complexion of both places. The fact that Luwero had many settlers from various parts of the country though most from other parts of Buganda explains how and why many who fled the violence unleashed by Museveni in Luwero were able to quickly settle elsewhere as many had ancestral roots in Buganda and in other parts of Uganda. I would not be surprised if many of these who scream in the name of Luwero have no connection with Luwero but are using the sufferings brought about by Museveni and co. choosing Luwero as the platform to forward his personal ambitions. I have read on these forums of the camps which were set up the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) described as concentration camps created by the elected government and those who sought shelter from Museveni's marauding army in 1981 and early 1982 as people deliberately uprooted by the UNLA when the UNLA did not have any units in rural Luwero until May 1982. But to these Ugandans this makes perfect sense. Others can even claim that citizens in rural Luwero were rebelling because the elections were rigged and yet the four constituencies in Luwero all returned DP candidates; were these MPs imposed on them so that this is why the people in Luwero rebelled? Since it is assumed that the people in Luwero were the ones leading the rebellion it is surprising that those from Luwero did not and do not dominate the leadership postions in Museveni's private army. The Fugee - Original Message - From: Edward Mulindwa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:38 AM Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\ What is the population of Baganda? Just curious ! Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero at the time, but Museveni was the minister of defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in Uganda under Museveni's watch? It is one of those questions which will never be answered by our people who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as they say Ffe kasita twebaka yet they can not tell you who refused them to sleep all along, just a name who refused Ugandans to sleep? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Y Yaobang To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\ Ssenyange: You stated: ... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. ... This is a very serious statement and allegation. I would not be suprised if you ended up in court over this!! y From: ssenya nyange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400 Owor Kipenji, As I mentioned in my email posting that its not good to celebrate someone's death but Oyite's case was different. Just as many celebrated the death and fall of Hitler, especially those who had lost their beloved ones, so didd the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. Buy ending his life, God answered the haunting blood of the dead and indeed Oyite died in the sky or on the soil of Luweero.How long did the UPC killing continue after Oyite's death? Less that 2 years. He was the rise and fall of UPC in the 80's. He was tainted with blood of 1/2 million innocent citizens. If his death was seen as the road map to stop the massacres in Buganda, why not celebrate the road map victory, just because it saved another million if the UPC was to continue ruling for another 5 years. Ssenyange --- From: Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE:
Mulindwa Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\
Mulindwa, The population of Luwero was about 600,000when Museveni launched his war. The population growth rate of Luwerowas only beaten by that of Tororo between 1969 and 1980 and this can be explained in the multi-ethnic complexion of both places. The fact that Luwero had many settlers from various parts of the country though most from other parts of Buganda explains how and why many who fled the violence unleashed by Museveni in Luwero were able to quicklysettle elsewhere as many had ancestral roots in Buganda and in other parts of Uganda. I would not be surprised if many of these who scream in the name of Luwero have no connection with Luwero but are using the sufferings brought about by Museveni and co. choosing Luwero as the platform to forward his personal ambitions. I have read on these forums of the camps which were set up the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) described as concentration camps created by the elected government and those who sought shelter from Museveni's marauding army in 1981 and early 1982 as people deliberately uprooted by the UNLA when the UNLA did not have any units in rural Luwero until May 1982. But to these Ugandans this makes perfect sense. Others can even claim that citizens in rural Luwero were rebelling because the elections were rigged and yet the four constituencies in Luwero all returned DP candidates; were these MPs imposed on them so that this is why the people in Luwero rebelled? Since it is assumed that the people in Luwero were the ones leading the rebellion it is surprising that those from Luwero did not and do not dominate the leadership postions in Museveni's private army. The Fugee - Original Message - From: Edward Mulindwa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:38 AM Subject: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's family secrets buried here\ What is the population of Baganda? Just curious ! Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero at the time, but Museveni was the minister of defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in Uganda under Museveni's watch? It is one of those questions which will never be answered by our people who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as they say "Ffe kasita twebaka" yet they can not tell you who refused them to sleep all along, just a name who refused Ugandans to sleep? Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Y Yaobang To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojoks family secrets buried here\ Ssenyange: You stated: "... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. ..."This is a very serious statement and allegation. I would not be suprised if you ended up in court over this!! y From: "ssenya nyange" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojoks family secrets buried here\ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400 Owor Kipenji, As I mentioned in my email posting that its not good to celebrate someone's death but Oyite's case was different. Just as many celebrated the death and fall of Hitler, especially those who had lost their beloved ones, so didd the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. Buy ending his life, God answered the haunting blood of the dead and indeed Oyite died in the sky or on the soil of Luweero.How long did the UPC killing continue after Oyite's death? Less that 2 years. He was the rise and fall of UPC in the 80's. He was tainted with blood of 1/2 millioninnocent citizens. If his death was seen as the road map to stop the massacres in Buganda, why not celebrate the road map victory, just because it saved another million if the UPC was to continue ruling for another 5 years. Ssenyange --- From: Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojoks family secrets buried here\ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:04:44 +0100 (BST) What Mshemiwa Ssenyange is describing is typical of the tools many who have be outsmarted resort to i.e wait for the course of nature to rescue them from their own failings. Death is the only democratic process that exists in Life and hence Nobody including the Ssenyanges and their ilk of this world will somehow circumvent it. Rejoicing at anyones' death friend or foe
