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Woow, that Church is smoking!!! Try the real Afrikan ones, mate Mitayo. If it is not child molestation it is the other, God damn it! AND THE REGIMES let him get away with it?! There is a saying that "..he who allows a fool to fool him is more foolish than the fool::". In that light the regimes that allowed Nsubuga to fool them are more foolish than Nsubuga. THEREBY NOT SAID THAT HE DID RIGHT. I only mean that they should have stopped him if they themselves were not birds of a feather. Too bad that where I come from we do not shoot at graves. But who knows, may be one day I'll gut-up. best rgds noc´l From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:59:33 + Mates, this His Eminence Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga was a criminal f'cking dog who should never have taken the leadership of my beloved Catholic Church. I know all is not well in that church but this Nsubuga thug was in a class of his own. More greedy than a hyena. And while at it, was his death due to natural causes or AIDS? Whatever the cause, I say good riddance. How many Ugandans have since died stemming from his betrayal? How many Rwandese? And how many Congolese have died as a result? You guys talk about his farm in Ssingo where he used to train rebels to kill Ugandans. But he had a whole route for weapons inflow all the way from Mombasa to Kampala. Like many others who have sold us for a few pieces of silver he was imperialisms' running dog. How much did he get from Lonrho anyway. (That is Cecil Rhodes' so-called LONdon RHOdesia settler colonist corporation, if you didn't know). May the dirtiest of sewers seep down into his grave. If you ever see his grave get a bullet and shoot it into his grave/coffin. The criminal should have been hanged in a public square. Mitayo Potosi From: noc´l gaumoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:06:22 +0200 Mates.doc Mates Not only you, Mulindwa, I too shiver. Adwong Aniap, were things so bad? This is really scary and indeed sorrowful, to put it mildly. It is hard to draw tenable conclusion if Rt. Rev Nsubuga indeed acted so. It leaves a lot of Questions. You said: Knowing was one thing, but getting the bulls by the horns was something different and almost impossible. The late Nsubuga's intentions and activities re-enforced by M7, some individual Ugandans even those who served under the UPC II, politicians and political groupings was no secret. Gosh! I will not go into what Ladit Mulindwa already articulated or where our viewpoints phase. Rude awakenings, indeed! What has chanced our former UPC WITH SPINAL CORDS? Was the façade a mere bluff? You know, Godfrey, such attitudes awaken bad memories. What you rehiterated is exactly the hallmark of Ugandan and indeed, general POLITICAL FAILURES. Our elected leaders and other forms of folk representation are not are not delegated that trust to be THEORETICIANS. Politicians are supposed to be pragmatic(ian)s. Otherwise, they may as well abdicate and allow others who can move mountains do the show. What do you think about that difference? Why should we have a bunch of theoreticians on top of already overwhelming heap of advisors and consultants? Why should we have inactive theorists occupying action / decision positions which they do not administer well? From what you say, it is not surprising that things went the way they did or that the political situation is the way it is. Recall that this was not the first time. In so-called Obote 1, Field Marshal Dr. Idi Amin Dada DSO, VC, MC Con Br.Empire´s COUP in 1971 was also anticipated. There are reports that it was eminent to the then GSU. Still they could not act. Amin was under house arrest, but there was NO ACTION. A friend of mine told me that even His Excellency Musseveni started recruiting his army along sides the UNLA and continued as minister of defense. Still NO ACTION! So, now when you outline the same monster in Obote 2, I understand why the Basilios without political agenda were able to overthrow the government that was their own. Is that negligence (inability) not a serious form of letting the country down? Is that not adventuring with the countrys security? Extended (even if it does not directly belong), I may conclude that it is the same passivity displayed against the LRA. We commoners expect action (rd. constructive and responsive opposition) from our political parties against prevalent intensified havocs by the
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Hog wash, as usual a lot of chatter without substance. From: Mitayo Potosi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:59:33 + Mates, this His Eminence Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga was a criminal f'cking dog who should never have taken the leadership of my beloved Catholic Church. I know all is not well in that church but this Nsubuga thug was in a class of his own. More greedy than a hyena. And while at it, was his death due to natural causes or AIDS? Whatever the cause, I say good riddance. How many Ugandans have since died stemming from his betrayal? How many Rwandese? And how many Congolese have died as a result? You guys talk about his farm in Ssingo where he used to train rebels to kill Ugandans. But he had a whole route for weapons inflow all the way from Mombasa to Kampala. Like many others who have sold us for a few pieces of silver he was imperialisms' running dog. How much did he get from Lonrho anyway. (That is Cecil Rhodes' so-called LONdon RHOdesia settler colonist corporation, if you didn't know). May the dirtiest of sewers seep down into his grave. If you ever see his grave get a bullet and shoot it into his grave/coffin. The criminal should have been hanged in a public square. Mitayo Potosi From: noc´l gaumoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:06:22 +0200 Mates.doc Mates Not only you, Mulindwa, I too shiver. Adwong Aniap, were things so bad? This is really scary and indeed sorrowful, to put it mildly. It is hard to draw tenable conclusion if Rt. Rev Nsubuga indeed acted so. It leaves a lot of Questions. You said: Knowing was one thing, but getting the bulls by the horns was something different and almost impossible. The late Nsubuga's intentions and activities re-enforced by M7, some individual Ugandans even those who served under the UPC II, politicians and political groupings was no secret. Gosh! I will not go into what Ladit Mulindwa already articulated or where our viewpoints phase. Rude awakenings, indeed! What has chanced our former UPC WITH SPINAL CORDS? Was the façade a mere bluff? You know, Godfrey, such attitudes awaken bad memories. What you rehiterated is exactly the hallmark of Ugandan and indeed, general POLITICAL FAILURES. Our elected leaders and other forms of folk representation are not are not delegated that trust to be THEORETICIANS. Politicians are supposed to be pragmatic(ian)s. Otherwise, they may as well abdicate and allow others who can move mountains do the show. What do you think about that difference? Why should we have a bunch of theoreticians on top of already overwhelming heap of advisors and consultants? Why should we have inactive theorists occupying action / decision positions which they do not administer well? From what you say, it is not surprising that things went the way they did or that the political situation is the way it is. Recall that this was not the first time. In so-called Obote 1, Field Marshal Dr. Idi Amin Dada DSO, VC, MC Con Br.Empire´s COUP in 1971 was also anticipated. There are reports that it was eminent to the then GSU. Still they could not act. Amin was under house arrest, but there was NO ACTION. A friend of mine told me that even His Excellency Musseveni started recruiting his army along sides the UNLA and continued as minister of defense. Still NO ACTION! So, now when you outline the same monster in Obote 2, I understand why the Basilios without political agenda were able to overthrow the government that was their own. Is that negligence (inability) not a serious form of letting the country down? Is that not adventuring with the countrys security? Extended (even if it does not directly belong), I may conclude that it is the same passivity displayed against the LRA. We commoners expect action (rd. constructive and responsive opposition) from our political parties against prevalent intensified havocs by the LRA on Ugandan. Preferably the shortest-cut because it is the plight of a people we are talking about, not extended versions of security policies. I sincerely hope this is not symptomatic of the UPC. Best rgds Noc´l Godfrey You are now making me very scared, are you saying that shutting down Nsubuga was impossible? You see my problem is very simple, we can sit here and spend all our lives blaming the Kironde's who were marching soldiers, the Kironde's who may be were eating meat which they never cared to know where it was coming from, but Cardinal Nsubuga had a physical base. A base that could have been shut down. The then Uganda government, I will not blame it for failing to stop NRM operations in Luwero District for the Kironde's were blowing up patients in ambulances
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What i'm saying Mr. Mulindwa is that Ugandan's are not as stupid as you and others of your ilk (paricularly on this forum) think, that they cannot see through false evidence given by former UNLA murderers. It is laughable that you should even think of the idea. From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:37:34 -0400 Mwaami Musaazi So are you saying that Ugandans can be smart enough to call for an investigation but so silly to weigh its validity? Or you are just very scared to see the truth coming out? What exactly do you know that you do not want us to know? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Netters, please analyze the statement below from Mr. Matek Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. Do you see what i see, it's like calling on the top brass of the Gestapo during Nazi Germany to give evidence against the allies for atrocities comitted in World War two, how credible is that kind of evidence, well your guess is as good as mine. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:53:15 EDT In a message dated 9/14/2003 7:51:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting in Uganda a free inquirely so that Ugandans can tell what they know? Surely Mwaami Kironde, democratic as your government is, you can do this. let us allow Ugandans to tell us how UNLA murdered Ugandans in Luwero and Ssingo, may be it will give us a chance to understand how Obote is a killer? Mwaami Kironde can I count on you to back my standing on a free and international monitored inqurirely, as the one which took place in Rwanda to know who exactly killed our people? Is it NRM or UNLA? Em EM That sounds like a good suggestion. The people of Uganda will most definitely sing like a Bird if you know what I mean!!!... when the time is right.. that is. Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. There is no denying this fact. Who are some of this people trying to deceive... If there is a Good man of God we Know about it so do the people of Uganda. If there was and there is a bad Man of God, we Know that too. Matek _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
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Mates, this His Eminence Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga was a criminal f'cking dog who should never have taken the leadership of my beloved Catholic Church. I know all is not well in that church but this Nsubuga thug was in a class of his own. More greedy than a hyena. And while at it, was his death due to natural causes or AIDS? Whatever the cause, I say good riddance. How many Ugandans have since died stemming from his betrayal? How many Rwandese? And how many Congolese have died as a result? You guys talk about his farm in Ssingo where he used to train rebels to kill Ugandans. But he had a whole route for weapons inflow all the way from Mombasa to Kampala. Like many others who have sold us for a few pieces of silver he was imperialisms' running dog. How much did he get from Lonrho anyway. (That is Cecil Rhodes' so-called LONdon RHOdesia settler colonist corporation, if you didn't know). May the dirtiest of sewers seep down into his grave. If you ever see his grave get a bullet and shoot it into his grave/coffin. The criminal should have been hanged in a public square. Mitayo Potosi From: noc´l gaumoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:06:22 +0200 Mates.doc Mates Not only you, Mulindwa, I too shiver. Adwong Aniap, were things so bad? This is really scary and indeed sorrowful, to put it mildly. It is hard to draw tenable conclusion if Rt. Rev Nsubuga indeed acted so. It leaves a lot of Questions. You said: Knowing was one thing, but getting the bulls by the horns was something different and almost impossible. The late Nsubuga's intentions and activities re-enforced by M7, some individual Ugandans even those who served under the UPC II, politicians and political groupings was no secret. Gosh! I will not go into what Ladit Mulindwa already articulated or where our viewpoints phase. Rude awakenings, indeed! What has chanced our former UPC WITH SPINAL CORDS? Was the façade a mere bluff? You know, Godfrey, such attitudes awaken bad memories. What you rehiterated is exactly the hallmark of Ugandan and indeed, general POLITICAL FAILURES. Our elected leaders and other forms of folk representation are not are not delegated that trust to be THEORETICIANS. Politicians are supposed to be pragmatic(ian)s. Otherwise, they may as well abdicate and allow others who can move mountains do the show. What do you think about that difference? Why should we have a bunch of theoreticians on top of already overwhelming heap of advisors and consultants? Why should we have inactive theorists occupying action / decision positions which they do not administer well? From what you say, it is not surprising that things went the way they did or that the political situation is the way it is. Recall that this was not the first time. In so-called Obote 1, Field Marshal Dr. Idi Amin Dada DSO, VC, MC Con Br.Empire´s COUP in 1971 was also anticipated. There are reports that it was eminent to the then GSU. Still they could not act. Amin was under house arrest, but there was NO ACTION. A friend of mine told me that even His Excellency Musseveni started recruiting his army along sides the UNLA and continued as minister of defense. Still NO ACTION! So, now when you outline the same monster in Obote 2, I understand why the Basilios without political agenda were able to overthrow the government that was their own. Is that negligence (inability) not a serious form of letting the country down? Is that not adventuring with the countrys security? Extended (even if it does not directly belong), I may conclude that it is the same passivity displayed against the LRA. We commoners expect action (rd. constructive and responsive opposition) from our political parties against prevalent intensified havocs by the LRA on Ugandan. Preferably the shortest-cut because it is the plight of a people we are talking about, not extended versions of security policies. I sincerely hope this is not symptomatic of the UPC. Best rgds Noc´l Godfrey You are now making me very scared, are you saying that shutting down Nsubuga was impossible? You see my problem is very simple, we can sit here and spend all our lives blaming the Kironde's who were marching soldiers, the Kironde's who may be were eating meat which they never cared to know where it was coming from, but Cardinal Nsubuga had a physical base. A base that could have been shut down. The then Uganda government, I will not blame it for failing to stop NRM operations in Luwero District for the Kironde's were blowing up patients in ambulances and running away, that was a war and I am not going to sit here and blame Uganda government for that. But Cardinal Nsubuga as I said before, had a known establishment, a ranch in Ssingo that was not only used for training the Kironde's but feeding
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Mwaami Musaazi If this investigation is going to be independent, why do you want to chose and pick the witnesses? And people why is NRM having a problem with Ugandans to testify how UNLA killed them in Luwero? This is getting very interesting. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA What i'm saying Mr. Mulindwa is that Ugandan's are not as stupid as you and others of your ilk (paricularly on this forum) think, that they cannot see through false evidence given by former UNLA murderers. It is laughable that you should even think of the idea. From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:37:34 -0400 Mwaami Musaazi So are you saying that Ugandans can be smart enough to call for an investigation but so silly to weigh its validity? Or you are just very scared to see the truth coming out? What exactly do you know that you do not want us to know? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Netters, please analyze the statement below from Mr. Matek Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. Do you see what i see, it's like calling on the top brass of the Gestapo during Nazi Germany to give evidence against the allies for atrocities comitted in World War two, how credible is that kind of evidence, well your guess is as good as mine. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:53:15 EDT In a message dated 9/14/2003 7:51:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting in Uganda a free inquirely so that Ugandans can tell what they know? Surely Mwaami Kironde, democratic as your government is, you can do this. let us allow Ugandans to tell us how UNLA murdered Ugandans in Luwero and Ssingo, may be it will give us a chance to understand how Obote is a killer? Mwaami Kironde can I count on you to back my standing on a free and international monitored inqurirely, as the one which took place in Rwanda to know who exactly killed our people? Is it NRM or UNLA? Em EM That sounds like a good suggestion. The people of Uganda will most definitely sing like a Bird if you know what I mean!!!... when the time is right.. that is. Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. There is no denying this fact. Who are some of this people trying to deceive... If there is a Good man of God we Know about it so do the people of Uganda. If there was and there is a bad Man of God, we Know that too. Matek _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
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I think that Ugandans were wrong to start with How can they get a man with a daughter and accept him as a cardinal. Nsubuga should have not got where he was to start with, but again the un-critical thinkers. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Mitayo Potosi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Mates, this His Eminence Emmanuel Cardinal Nsubuga was a criminal f'cking dog who should never have taken the leadership of my beloved Catholic Church. I know all is not well in that church but this Nsubuga thug was in a class of his own. More greedy than a hyena. And while at it, was his death due to natural causes or AIDS? Whatever the cause, I say good riddance. How many Ugandans have since died stemming from his betrayal? How many Rwandese? And how many Congolese have died as a result? You guys talk about his farm in Ssingo where he used to train rebels to kill Ugandans. But he had a whole route for weapons inflow all the way from Mombasa to Kampala. Like many others who have sold us for a few pieces of silver he was imperialisms' running dog. How much did he get from Lonrho anyway. (That is Cecil Rhodes' so-called LONdon RHOdesia settler colonist corporation, if you didn't know). May the dirtiest of sewers seep down into his grave. If you ever see his grave get a bullet and shoot it into his grave/coffin. The criminal should have been hanged in a public square. Mitayo Potosi From: noc´l gaumoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:06:22 +0200 Mates.doc Mates Not only you, Mulindwa, I too shiver. Adwong Aniap, were things so bad? This is really scary and indeed sorrowful, to put it mildly. It is hard to draw tenable conclusion if Rt. Rev Nsubuga indeed acted so. It leaves a lot of Questions. You said: .Knowing was one thing, but getting the bulls by the horns was something different and almost impossible. The late Nsubuga's intentions and activities re-enforced by M7, some individual Ugandans even those who served under the UPC II, politicians and political groupings was no secret. Gosh! I will not go into what Ladit Mulindwa already articulated or where our viewpoints phase. Rude awakenings, indeed! What has chanced our former UPC WITH SPINAL CORDS? Was the façade a mere bluff? You know, Godfrey, such attitudes awaken bad memories. What you rehiterated is exactly the hallmark of Ugandan and indeed, general POLITICAL FAILURES. Our elected leaders and other forms of folk representation are not are not delegated that trust to be THEORETICIANS. Politicians are supposed to be pragmatic(ian)s. Otherwise, they may as well abdicate and allow others who can move mountains do the show. What do you think about that difference? Why should we have a bunch of theoreticians on top of already overwhelming heap of advisors and consultants? Why should we have inactive theorists occupying action / decision positions which they do not administer well? From what you say, it is not surprising that things went the way they did or that the political situation is the way it is. Recall that this was not the first time. In so-called Obote 1, Field Marshal Dr. Idi Amin Dada DSO, VC, MC Con Br.Empire´s COUP in 1971 was also anticipated. There are reports that it was eminent to the then GSU. Still they could not act. Amin was under house arrest, but there was NO ACTION. A friend of mine told me that even His Excellency Musseveni started recruiting his army along sides the UNLA and continued as minister of defense. Still NO ACTION! So, now when you outline the same monster in Obote 2, I understand why the Basilios without political agenda were able to overthrow the government that was their own. Is that negligence (inability) not a serious form of letting the country down? Is that not adventuring with the country's security? Extended (even if it does not directly belong), I may conclude that it is the same passivity displayed against the LRA. We commoners expect action (rd. constructive and responsive opposition) from our political parties against prevalent intensified havocs by the LRA on Ugandan. Preferably the shortest-cut because it is the plight of a people we are talking about, not extended versions of security policies. I sincerely hope this is not symptomatic of the UPC. Best rgds Noc´l Godfrey You are now making me very scared, are you saying that shutting down Nsubuga was impossible? You see my problem is very simple, we can sit here and spend all our lives blaming
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Godfrey But I think UPC was as well wrong. For I somehow feel that the then government knew of the covert actions of Nsubuga and UPC failed the people of Uganda to act on that old man for respect of his religion and position. I do not know but I think I have enough blame to go around. But again a public inquirely is the only way we can sort this crap out. For I have a problem believing that Nsubuga's hand in the blood of the murdered Ugandans is news today to UPC. What action/s did that government take? Some body should be accountable and tell us as Ugandans how we were protected by the then government. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Elum aniap Godfrey Ayoo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Kironde, Doesn't it bother you that the late Cardinal Emmanuel Nsubugadid aid the brutal beast come to power?, Did he support M7 in the name and on behalf of Buganda?, Was it Buganda or Nsubuga who supported M7?, Kironde; the Luwero Ssingo tails hold no more water. A rude awakening awaits you. May he burn in eternal hell for having danced and dinned with the devil, may he rot in hell for having desecrated the holy Eucharist with bloody hands. Godfrey - Original Message - From: Mulindwa Edward To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting in Uganda a free inquirely so that Ugandans can tell what they know? Surely Mwaami Kironde, democratic as your government is, you can do this. let us allow Ugandans to tell us how UNLA murdered Ugandans in Luwero and Ssingo, may be it will give us a chance to understand how Obote is a killer? Mwaami Kironde can I count on you to back my standing on a free and international monitored inqurirely, as the one which took place in Rwanda to know who exactly killed our people? Is it NRM or UNLA? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA ...and you thought I was going to let Ed Kironde slide way with no response from this end.First of all, Cardinal Emmanual Nsubuga's conspiracy with Yoweri Museveni Kaguta to create wars in our country is a well known fact. There are still some UNLA top ranking officers who are alive and can testify to this fact. and what do you have to say to that my friend?Secondly, the NRM/A Created KONY because of your ( meaning NRM) Militaristic policy in Northern Uganda immediately following NRM's raise to power which saw the systematic and deliberately targeting of the Acholi for mass murder and slaughter, rape sodomy e.t.c Now the bold headed one, the warmonger Yoweri Kaguta Mucebeni, has to sleep deep there in the Jungle of teso .. I hear to fight KONY. Indeed he has been fighting KONI for now 18 years and inspite of claims by the likes of Kazini that Mbu we have KONI's Kaunda suit we norrowlly missed the man, KONI is still there driving Kaguta NUTS!This for man who often parades himself (in the Capital of US and Britain ) Mbu he is a military Genus! 18 years later Kaguta is still fighting KONI!MatekIn a message dated 9/9/2003 12:49:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"There is no way the suffering in Northern Uganda would have continued for now 18 years if some elements within some of our fellow citizens in Buganda (yes including the Late Cardinal Nsubuga) were not in cohorts with the NRM murderers to eat and destroy Uganda. This is a bitter fact. MatekopokoThis is the most bizarre statement so far. If you have failed to blame Joseph Kony for slaughtering Ugandans in the northern part of the country and now in Teso, then you shift the blame on a dead respected leader in our society, we have a lot of work to do. Blaming Buganda for the slaughter of the Acholi seems to be the official stand of the UPC
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Godfrey You are now making me very scared, are you saying that shutting down Nsubuga was impossible? You see my problem is very simple, we can sit here and spend all our lives blaming the Kironde's who were marching soldiers, the Kironde's who may be were eating meat which they never cared to know where it was coming from, but Cardinal Nsubuga had a physical base. A base that could have been shut down. The then Uganda government, I will not blame it for failing to stop NRM operations in Luwero District for the Kironde's were blowing up patients in ambulances and running away, that was a war and I am not going to sit here and blame Uganda government for that. But Cardinal Nsubuga as I said before, had a known establishment, a ranch in Ssingo that was not only used for training the Kironde's but feeding them too. And my question is, who is it in that government that had the power to shut down that ranch who did not? Now we have a history of Iddi Amin killing Jonan Luwum, and it wasted his reputation, did that government know of Nsubuga's actions and refused to act for it feared its name would have been wasted as Amin's? Is that what you mean by "Getting the bulls by the horns impossible"? Godfrey Ssingo had no reason to be insecure, and if UPC's failing to shut down Cardinal Nsubuga's ranch costed us even one baby's life, Ugandans need and must know. Now that I do not expect answers in these forums, a public inquirely again is my next solution. Who had the authority to shut down Cardinal Emanuel Nsubuga's ranch in Ssingo and failed to use it? Mulindwa The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Elum aniap Godfrey Ayoo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Edward, Knowing was one thing, but getting the bulls by the horns was something different and almost impossible.The late Nsubuga's intentions and activities re-enforced by M7, some individual Ugandans even those who served under the UPC II, politicians and political groupings was no secret. For example, take a look at the line-up after the overthrow of UPC II. Investigations into the Luwero killings and other killings would be the best thing that can ever happen to Uganda. Godfrey - Original Message - From: Mulindwa Edward To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Godfrey But I think UPC was as well wrong. For I somehow feel that the then government knew of the covert actions of Nsubuga and UPC failed the people of Uganda to act on that old man for respect of his religion and position. I do not know but I think I have enough blame to go around. But again a public inquirely is the only way we can sort this crap out. For I have a problem believing that Nsubuga's hand in the blood of the murdered Ugandans is news today to UPC. What action/s did that government take? Some body should be accountable and tell us as Ugandans how we were protected by the then government. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Elum aniap Godfrey Ayoo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Kironde, Doesn't it bother you that the late Cardinal Emmanuel Nsubugadid aid the brutal beast come to power?, Did he support M7 in the name and on behalf of Buganda?, Was it Buganda or Nsubuga who supported M7?, Kironde; the Luwero Ssingo tails hold no more water. A rude awakening awaits you. May he burn in eternal hell for having danced and dinned with the devil, may he rot in hell for having desecrated the holy Eucharist with bloody hands. Godfrey - Original Message - From: Mulindwa Edward To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting
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Netters, please analyze the statement below from Mr. Matek Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. Do you see what i see, it's like calling on the top brass of the Gestapo during Nazi Germany to give evidence against the allies for atrocities comitted in World War two, how credible is that kind of evidence, well your guess is as good as mine. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:53:15 EDT In a message dated 9/14/2003 7:51:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting in Uganda a free inquirely so that Ugandans can tell what they know? Surely Mwaami Kironde, democratic as your government is, you can do this. let us allow Ugandans to tell us how UNLA murdered Ugandans in Luwero and Ssingo, may be it will give us a chance to understand how Obote is a killer? Mwaami Kironde can I count on you to back my standing on a free and international monitored inqurirely, as the one which took place in Rwanda to know who exactly killed our people? Is it NRM or UNLA? Em EM That sounds like a good suggestion. The people of Uganda will most definitely sing like a Bird if you know what I mean!!!... when the time is right.. that is. Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. There is no denying this fact. Who are some of this people trying to deceive... If there is a Good man of God we Know about it so do the people of Uganda. If there was and there is a bad Man of God, we Know that too. Matek _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
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Mwaami Musaazi So are you saying that Ugandans can be smart enough to call for an investigation but so silly to weigh its validity? Or you are just very scared to see the truth coming out? What exactly do you know that you do not want us to know? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Netters, please analyze the statement below from Mr. Matek Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. Do you see what i see, it's like calling on the top brass of the Gestapo during Nazi Germany to give evidence against the allies for atrocities comitted in World War two, how credible is that kind of evidence, well your guess is as good as mine. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:53:15 EDT In a message dated 9/14/2003 7:51:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting in Uganda a free inquirely so that Ugandans can tell what they know? Surely Mwaami Kironde, democratic as your government is, you can do this. let us allow Ugandans to tell us how UNLA murdered Ugandans in Luwero and Ssingo, may be it will give us a chance to understand how Obote is a killer? Mwaami Kironde can I count on you to back my standing on a free and international monitored inqurirely, as the one which took place in Rwanda to know who exactly killed our people? Is it NRM or UNLA? Em EM That sounds like a good suggestion. The people of Uganda will most definitely sing like a Bird if you know what I mean!!!... when the time is right.. that is. Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. There is no denying this fact. Who are some of this people trying to deceive... If there is a Good man of God we Know about it so do the people of Uganda. If there was and there is a bad Man of God, we Know that too. Matek _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
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Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting in Uganda a free inquirely so that Ugandans can tell what they know? Surely Mwaami Kironde, democratic as your government is, you can do this. let us allow Ugandans to tell us how UNLA murdered Ugandans in Luwero and Ssingo, may be it will give us a chance to understand how Obote is a killer? Mwaami Kironde can I count on you to back my standing on a free and international monitored inqurirely, as the one which took place in Rwanda to know who exactly killed our people? Is it NRM or UNLA? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:22 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA ...and you thought I was going to let Ed Kironde slide way with no response from this end.First of all, Cardinal Emmanual Nsubuga's conspiracy with Yoweri Museveni Kaguta to create wars in our country is a well known fact. There are still some UNLA top ranking officers who are alive and can testify to this fact. and what do you have to say to that my friend?Secondly, the NRM/A Created KONY because of your ( meaning NRM) Militaristic policy in Northern Uganda immediately following NRM's raise to power which saw the systematic and deliberately targeting of the Acholi for mass murder and slaughter, rape sodomy e.t.c Now the bold headed one, the warmonger Yoweri Kaguta Mucebeni, has to sleep deep there in the Jungle of teso .. I hear to fight KONY. Indeed he has been fighting KONI for now 18 years and inspite of claims by the likes of Kazini that Mbu we have KONI's Kaunda suit we norrowlly missed the man, KONI is still there driving Kaguta NUTS!This for man who often parades himself (in the Capital of US and Britain ) Mbu he is a military Genus! 18 years later Kaguta is still fighting KONI!MatekIn a message dated 9/9/2003 12:49:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"There is no way the suffering in Northern Uganda would have continued for now 18 years if some elements within some of our fellow citizens in Buganda (yes including the Late Cardinal Nsubuga) were not in cohorts with the NRM murderers to eat and destroy Uganda. This is a bitter fact. MatekopokoThis is the most bizarre statement so far. If you have failed to blame Joseph Kony for slaughtering Ugandans in the northern part of the country and now in Teso, then you shift the blame on a dead respected leader in our society, we have a lot of work to do. Blaming Buganda for the slaughter of the Acholi seems to be the official stand of the UPC leadership even when Obote writes about the LRA rebels he puts the word in quotes. You guys are seated on the truth and it is only fair to talk to your UPC members to stop the insurgency and do not blame Buganda. Dr Rwanyarare has already vowed to take up arms if the land deal is approved I wonder how many times he is going to do that.Matekopoko is being certain of something you know nothing about. What do you intend to achieve by enticing your community that Buganda is to blame for the slaughter of the Acholi people for the past 18 years? As a politician, and am sure you have a handful following in your community, what would be the intention of portraying the late Cardinal Nsubuga as a murderer? This takes me back to my thinking that LRA has been and still is the fighting wing for UPC. Stop diverting your own atrocities on your own kin and then blame it to Buganda or the catholic community. Some of the people in Northern Uganda know what the politicians are doing blaming Buganda in the day and recruit at night.You are bankrupt of ideas Mr Matekopoko and regionalizing this insurgency and crediting it to Cardinal Nsubuga is clear testimony to that.
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In a message dated 9/14/2003 7:51:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matek Yes you let him slide away. LOL. Can I put in only one suggestion, in this Matek/ Kironde exchange? How about putting in Uganda a free inquirely so that Ugandans can tell what they know? Surely Mwaami Kironde, democratic as your government is, you can do this. let us allow Ugandans to tell us how UNLA murdered Ugandans in Luwero and Ssingo, may be it will give us a chance to understand how Obote is a killer? Mwaami Kironde can I count on you to back my standing on a free and international monitored inqurirely, as the one which took place in Rwanda to know who exactly killed our people? Is it NRM or UNLA? Em EM That sounds like a good suggestion. The people of Uganda will most definitely sing like a Bird if you know what I mean!!!... when the time is right.. that is. Like I said, thank God we still have, alive, top ranking UNLA officers who have documented evidence which implicates the Cardinal Nsubuga in a conspiracy with Museveni to create wars in our country. There is no denying this fact. Who are some of this people trying to deceive... If there is a Good man of God we Know about it so do the people of Uganda. If there was and there is a bad Man of God, we Know that too. Matek
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Ha, ha ha ha ! This was funny ! Mulindwa asks: Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? Which Uganda are you talking about ? I think you have been out of Uganda so long that you have completely lost any contact to reality. You are still suffering from delusions that we are in early 80s and your man is still lording it out on us. You are right though, when you say: 'you become a killer and population will never forget'. That's exactly what has happened with your man in Lusaka. Kasangwawo From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:04:26 -0400 Mwaami Kironde I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? I mean doesn't it bother you why a man who was over thrown out of power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics today? NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, but Obote is still in exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, they knew full well that if they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us attack UPC morally and then put all elections in the public. For the record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point. It is amazing that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political leader. If you do not believe me put a free and fair election in Uganda today and you will be amazed, infact even NRM knows this that is why we will never have a democratic election untill when Museveni gets a kidney stone problem. But it is important for you Mwaami Kironde to understand that this is not due to the hard work of Obote, it is due to the trust Ugandans have in the man. Go home and ask Ugandans, why they go to Kampala road and sing UPC when they know that they are going to be shot by NRM at spot. They will tell you that the man is worth the trust. So population is a very important factor in our nations. You can do good and the population will never forget, you become a killer and population will never forget. And that is why my reasoning last night to Mwami Ssemakula was very simple, if Mwaami Muniini Mulera is wrong, we do not need Mwami Ssemakula to defend Buganda. For the jury of the Ugandan society is out there, and if Buganda has been part and parcel in the sufferings of the population in Northern Uganda, trust me Northerners know. And I can add this as well that if Buganda has been suffering together with the North, Buganda can even make a long term political understanding with North, even in things like federalism creation. But if we got a killer in Kampala and we joined the calling our fellow Ugandans Biological substance those are facts which will never go away, and the departure of Museveni will only tell us how much damage we have done to our selves and our nation. So do not even bother defending Buganda, Buganda's defence is only one. Her actions when Ugandans are buried day and night. Let me move quickly, you of all people in these forums know me as a person who respects the dead, and I have gone out of my way to see that Ugandans are buried with respect as much as possible. But one mistake I do not do, I do not clean up people's names. When any body dies his actions go with him. And we must be very careful that we do not turn the respect of the dead into covering the killers. Here I come to your sentence and I quote As a politician, and am sure you have a handful following in your community, what would be the intention of portraying the late Cardinal Nsubuga as a murderer? Mwaami Kironde you are destroying this discussion, for what many people in these forums do when they read
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Mulindwa you attribute a lot of statements, occurances and situations to people without proof or evidence, like saying that Cardinal Nsubuga reached some agreement with President Museveni on Catholics' participation in Mengo affairs...what rubbish. You seem to be impling that Catholics cannot participate in Mengo affairs on their own merit. About your proposed UPC and Buganda aliance...you seem to conveniently forget, that once upon atime in Uganda's history, such an alliance was concocted and we of course know the unfortunate resultsthe Baganda ended up with the short end of the stick and the subsequent murderous rein of the UPCtalk about lightning striking twice, GOD FORBID. From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:22:37 + Ha, ha ha ha ! This was funny ! Mulindwa asks: Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? Which Uganda are you talking about ? I think you have been out of Uganda so long that you have completely lost any contact to reality. You are still suffering from delusions that we are in early 80s and your man is still lording it out on us. You are right though, when you say: 'you become a killer and population will never forget'. That's exactly what has happened with your man in Lusaka. Kasangwawo From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:04:26 -0400 Mwaami Kironde I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? I mean doesn't it bother you why a man who was over thrown out of power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics today? NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, but Obote is still in exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, they knew full well that if they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us attack UPC morally and then put all elections in the public. For the record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point. It is amazing that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political leader. If you do not believe me put a free and fair election in Uganda today and you will be amazed, infact even NRM knows this that is why we will never have a democratic election untill when Museveni gets a kidney stone problem. But it is important for you Mwaami Kironde to understand that this is not due to the hard work of Obote, it is due to the trust Ugandans have in the man. Go home and ask Ugandans, why they go to Kampala road and sing UPC when they know that they are going to be shot by NRM at spot. They will tell you that the man is worth the trust. So population is a very important factor in our nations. You can do good and the population will never forget, you become a killer and population will never forget. And that is why my reasoning last night to Mwami Ssemakula was very simple, if Mwaami Muniini Mulera is wrong, we do not need Mwami Ssemakula to defend Buganda. For the jury of the Ugandan society is out there, and if Buganda has been part and parcel in the sufferings of the population in Northern Uganda, trust me Northerners know. And I can add this as well that if Buganda has been suffering together with the North, Buganda can even make a long term political understanding with North, even in things like federalism creation. But if we got a killer in Kampala and we joined the calling our fellow Ugandans Biological substance those are facts which will never go away, and the departure of Museveni will only
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Mwaami Musaazi Not only my heart, but the hearts of all understanding Ugandans, goes for the Baganda who have got nothing out of Uganda but to be victims. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Mulindwa you attribute a lot of statements, occurances and situations to people without proof or evidence, like saying that Cardinal Nsubuga reached some agreement with President Museveni on Catholics' participation in Mengo affairs...what rubbish. You seem to be impling that Catholics cannot participate in Mengo affairs on their own merit. About your proposed UPC and Buganda aliance...you seem to conveniently forget, that once upon atime in Uganda's history, such an alliance was concocted and we of course know the unfortunate resultsthe Baganda ended up with the short end of the stick and the subsequent murderous rein of the UPCtalk about lightning striking twice, GOD FORBID. From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:22:37 + Ha, ha ha ha ! This was funny ! Mulindwa asks: Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? Which Uganda are you talking about ? I think you have been out of Uganda so long that you have completely lost any contact to reality. You are still suffering from delusions that we are in early 80s and your man is still lording it out on us. You are right though, when you say: 'you become a killer and population will never forget'. That's exactly what has happened with your man in Lusaka. Kasangwawo From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: IN DEFENCE OF MUNIINI MULERA Responding to Mwami Kironde's Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:04:26 -0400 Mwaami Kironde I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? I mean doesn't it bother you why a man who was over thrown out of power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics today? NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, but Obote is still in exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, they knew full well that if they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us attack UPC morally and then put all elections in the public. For the record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point. It is amazing that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political leader. If you do not believe me put a free and fair election in Uganda today and you will be amazed, infact even NRM knows this that is why we will never have a democratic election untill when Museveni gets a kidney stone problem. But it is important for you Mwaami Kironde to understand that this is not due to the hard work of Obote, it is due to the trust Ugandans have in the man. Go home and ask Ugandans, why they go to Kampala road and sing UPC when they know that they are going to be shot by NRM at spot. They will tell you that the man is worth the trust. So population is a very important factor in our nations. You can do good and the population will never forget, you become a killer and population will never forget. And that is why my reasoning last night to Mwami Ssemakula was very simple, if Mwaami Muniini Mulera is wrong, we do not need Mwami
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Mwaami Kironde I am very sorry for you have decided to twist my posting to your usual two liners, and this was not the purpose when I responded to Mwaami Ssemakula's posting. First of all I think that if you see that I have come in the defence of my neighbour Munini Mulera, that should be enough to tell you that I have seen that we are taking a wrong road, and Mwami Ssemakula's posting was doing nothing but exactly that. For as you are stating in your own posting, Uganda society has a community, and that community makes decisions depending on what has happened to it, or to what has been done to it. Let us go back to Uganda's history. Have you ever wondered why Obote is the most powerful politician in Uganda today? I mean doesn't itbother you why a man who was over thrown out of power some 20 plus years ago, is still very powerful in Uganda politics today?NRM has made it a point to fight him not factually but by tarnishing his name. You as a member of fednet know full well how DP has used federalism to get the Buganda vote, and they have done that by not discussing federalism but by attacking UPC and Obote day in and day out. As we speak today, Federalists are eating crow, butObote is still in exile and very quite. When NRM came to power, theyknew full well that if they put a free election in Uganda, Ugandans were going to elect several UPC members, so they went into the log book and got a new chapter, let us attack UPC morally and then put allelections in the public.For the record, the reason why NRM's first election was to stand behind your candidate, was to see who will elect a UPC member, and then as in Luwero NRM would come at night and kill you. It was to pin point.It is amazing that to today Obote has more supporters in Uganda than any other political leader. If you do not believe me put a free and fair election in Uganda today and you will be amazed, infact even NRM knows this that is why we will never have a democratic election untill when Museveni gets a kidney stone problem. But it is important for you Mwaami Kironde to understand that thisis not due to the hard work of Obote, it is due to the trust Ugandans have in the man. Go home and ask Ugandans, why they go to Kampala road and sing UPC when they know that theyare going tobe shot by NRM at spot. They will tell you that the man is worth the trust. So population is a very important factor in our nations. You can do good and the population will never forget, you become a killer and population will never forget. And that is why my reasoning last nightto Mwami Ssemakula was very simple, if Mwaami Muniini Mulerais wrong, we do not need Mwami Ssemakula to defend Buganda. For the jury of the Ugandan society is out there, and if Buganda hasbeen part and parcel in the sufferings of the population in Northern Uganda, trust me Northerners know. And I can add this as well that if Buganda has been suffering together with the North, Buganda can even make a long termpolitical understanding with North, even in things like federalism creation. But if we got a killer in Kampala and we joined the calling our fellow Ugandans "Biological substance" those are facts which will never go away, and the departure of Museveniwill only tell us how much damage we have done to our selves and our nation. So do not even bother defending Buganda, Buganda's defence is only one. Her actions when Ugandans are buried day and night. Let me move quickly, you of all people in these forums know me as a person who respects the dead, and I have gone out of my way to see that Ugandans are buried with respect as much as possible. But one mistake I do not do, I do not clean up people's names. When any body dies his actions go with him. And we must be very careful that we do not turn therespect of the dead into covering the killers. Here I come to your sentence and I quote "As a politician, and am sure you have a handful following in your community, what would be the intention of portraying the late Cardinal Nsubuga as a murderer?" Mwaami Kironde you are destroying this discussion, for what many people in these forums do when they read such a statement, is to make only one decision. I am not going to be involved into such nonsense, then we in essence loose what we would have learned. Yes I know many of our members who just said, we have enough things to do with our time forget Uganda forums for there is nothing good we can get out of it. Kironde is Matek portraying cardinal Nsubuga as a murderer?Of what valueis it to Matek? Cardinal Nsubuga for the record is dead and was buried. What value would it be of Matek to attack this man? In all Ugandans who have played a part in our politics, why did he only comment about Nsubuga? Why not other Baganda, even those who were KYs? WhyCardinal Nsubuga? Mwaami Kionde Cardinal Nsubuga played a very big part into the creation of the killer government we have in Uganda. In fact one
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Mr. Ssemakula I have read your posting in Monitor under the heading"Munini; whistling and drinking?" And I think that you are being very unfair toMuniini Mulera for you have decided to leave out some very crucial points in your response. You started by informing us how the King of Buganda has spoken out on the matters of the war in Northern Uganda. Can you kindly tell us when he started to make those statements? Mr Ssemakula the war in Northern Uganda has been running now for almost 20 years, is it fair for you to bring in the name of Nabagereka, as a person who has called for talks to end the carnage, for as far as I know Nabagereka did not come into the picture of Uganda untill 2001, that is 2 years give and take. Is that a proof that Buganda was and has been concerned about the situation in Northern Uganda? Personally I am not even moved by whether the King and Nabagereka, have taken these steps. I am more concerned about what the major Buganda out spoken did or have done since the war started in this part of Uganda. And I am going to give you some examples, Bishop Mikayiri Kawuma of namirembe, and Cardinal Emanuel Nsubuga, both stood in their sanctuaries and praised God for bringing peace back into Uganda under NRM. These two men of God, came to West Germany and addressed a meeting of several people including Ugandans, the main question to them was the situation in Northern Uganda. Both of them stated that Uganda was a new place and a peace full nation. But this is what was very important in that meeting, in closing, the Cardinal sat with several Ugandans, and in Luganda he said "Mwe mubuuza ki ebyolutalo ffe kasita twebaka" In fact for the record, that statement "Ffe Kasita Twebaka" was not introduced in Uganda by Buganda locals, it was introduced by Cardinal Nsubuga and Bishop Kawuma, in their message to the church. That is the originality of that statement. Now let me go back to Buganda and NRM. Ugandans know for a fact that Buganda is in bed with NRM. When Ugandans are being murdered and our king goes to Rwakitura to dine and wine with the state, Ugandans must wonder why. But we must not only stop there, but we must ask our selves, what steps has the King taken to hold the mirror into the NRM's face. I can not help but wonder how much information our king has about the thousands of his people who were killed in Luwero District during the war. Has our king ever asked for that explanation from Rwakitura? What response did he get? I doubt whether he has ever asked that question for his bread and butter comes from Rwakitura, why and how can he get the strength to ask the actions of NRM? And that is the biggest blunder Buganda fell in, for if we can not financially maintain our King, we would have been better off putting the kingdom on hold as Ankole. For have you ever wondered what will happen if the next government in Uganda decides not to finance it? It is interesting as well when you state that a good number of Baganda officers in the army are unwilling to fight, then Mwaami Ssemakula can you please explain why children in Northern Uganda are very scared of any body speaking Luganda? It is a fact that many UPDF officers are Baganda, and if Baganda officers refused to fight in Northern Uganda, that war would have ended immediately. The danger in your posting, is that you are thinking that what you posted in Monitor is what counts the most in Uganda of tomorrow, I tend to differ, what matters the most is what Ugandans who are being brutalized know, for I can bet you Ugandans know who are killing them, and they go by that not by Mr Ssemakula's account. You will be amazed to know that to today Ugandans in Luwero know which people killed them. Buganda must know that a problem in Uganda affects all of us as a nation, directly or indirectly. And it is a shame that we even have this discussion today, for it is a sign that Buganda failed to understand that matters in Northern/Eastern Uganda are national matters. And collecting unfounded collections to clean up Buganda's name is not the solution. For as I said, it is Ugandans who are suffering who make the final decision, on whether Buganda was part of the problem or solution during their sufferings.And as long as that jury is still out there, I do not think that your defence for Buganda is warranted, for facts will in the end come in broad day light. Edward Mulindwa Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group
