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In a message dated 4/20/2004 8:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kipenji: How can Adam Dada be an IDIOT?? He is speaking the truth, unlike you who is in denial of under development of the North. In the North, people are still living in grass thatched houses and you are trying to deny it. You galla be livin' la vida fantasia. You and Dada are either childish or stupid. This something that is personal interest not north south or whatever you want to say. Talk about how we can live together peacefully and with respect for each other. Talk about the constitution or law and order, how should it be applied now 18 years after overthrowing the government that you claim did not listen to the people. Bring in your view of what should transpire and how you expect to achieve it. okapire? Oracha
Re: ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here
Oracha - If you follow the thread of this discussion carefully, you find that my initial contribution was very much in line with what you are saying now, untill Kipenji became. I would very much like to believe that you too are not choosing and picking who you brand being childish and childish. If so, our people are in real trouble, as this would be yet another vindication by those who regularly claim that sensible people from our area are really to come by indeed, even among the presumably enlighlened with the opportunity of residing abroad. You have the opportunity to prove me wrong on this one. Adam From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:21:42 EDT In a message dated 4/20/2004 8:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kipenji: How can Adam Dada be an IDIOT?? He is speaking the truth, unlike you who is in denial of under development of the North. In the North, people are still living in grass thatched houses and you are trying to deny it. You galla be livin' la vida fantasia. You and Dada are either childish or stupid. This something that is personal interest not north south or whatever you want to say. Talk about how we can live together peacefully and with respect for each other. Talk about the constitution or law and order, how should it be applied now 18 years after overthrowing the government that you claim did not listen to the people. Bring in your view of what should transpire and how you expect to achieve it. okapire? Oracha _ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
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OK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Dada Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here Oracha - If you follow the thread of this discussion carefully, you find that my initial contribution was very much in line with what you are saying now, untill Kipenji became. I would very much like to believe that you too are not choosing and picking who you brand being childish and childish. If so, our people are in real trouble, as this would be yet another vindication by those who regularly claim that sensible people from our area are really to come by indeed, even among the presumably enlighlened with the opportunity of residing abroad. You have the opportunity to prove me wrong on this one. Adam From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:21:42 EDT In a message dated 4/20/2004 8:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kipenji: How can Adam Dada be an IDIOT?? He is speaking the truth, unlike you who is in denial of under development of the North. In the North, people are still living in grass thatched houses and you are trying to deny it. You galla be livin' la vida fantasia. You and Dada are either childish or stupid. This something that is personal interest not north south or whatever you want to say. Talk about how we can live together peacefully and with respect for each other. Talk about the constitution or law and order, how should it be applied now 18 years after overthrowing the government that you claim did not listen to the people. Bring in your view of what should transpire and how you expect to achieve it. okapire? Oracha _ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here - Kipenji
Kipenji: I trust that it's not time that you don't have, but rather you can not defend your points against mine. I don't blame you for your failure of an explanation, because logically you don't make sense, not even to yourself. If you really were sensible, you would understand why people celebrate the deaths of their enemies. But since you are not that sensible, I guess you can not understand. Too bad! Sense is what leads us critical thinkersto celebrate our enemies deaths, and not "foolishness". A fool is one who mourns for his/her enemies' death. Zakoomu M. =Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zakoomu,sorry but I really have no time for obtunded dunderheads like you for your pedastal views are not worth my indulgence. Try your circumlocutions reminiscent of those under the burdens of bipolar disorders with others. Celebrate as much as your foolishness can lead you. Thank you. Kipenji. ___-Rehema Mukooza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kipenji: Let me tell you something, in this world we live in, people do celebrate the deaths of their enemies. To be specific, people do act to bring death to their enemies through wars and other means. This is not new to a critical thinker like me. I will continue to celebrate the deaths of the enemies of my freedom. Does the celebration prelude me from death?? = NO! Do people who go to war to finish off their enemies eventually die in time?? = YES. Everyone will die, that's the natural law any child knows. The point however is that, in the absence (death) of an enemy, we freedom seekers get closer to what we want, and that is freedom. The closer (more enemies die) we get, the more celebrations we carry out. What is there for us to miss (mourn) for these murderers like Oyite-Ojok?? You've got to be kidding me. We weren't born yesterday. We know how this world works. And we shall press for this world to evolve around our FREEDOMS. An enemy of our freedom, is an enemy of our world and civilizations, and thus the enemy should get out of our way (death, exile). We have one life to live. We have no time and space for these enemies. This is why I shall praise Allah for his action towards the death of Oyite-Ojok. Captain Godfrey Kato might have died along with the enemies of freedom, it is not suprising to me. Kato was playing along with the enemies, supporting them in their every action to suppress our freedoms. It was either Kato was dumb, or he sold his soul to the enemies (puppet). Whatever he did, it is too late now to dwell on these puppets of our enemies. I see these puppets as equivalent to the enemy. Kipenji, I find it very uncritical ofyou to give the Canadian experience of Black and White as an example to work in a majority Black Uganda or Africa. In Canada they will view all Blacks as the same, but such does not apply in Uganda. In Uganda they will view people according to their TRIBES or nations (whatever they call it). Take the Bakenyi in Teso asan example. In Teso, any Mukenyi is doomed to be at the end of the list to see a doctor. In Teso, Bahiima settlers are viewed as a threat. And these are all "Black" people in our Black Africa, Uganda. Let us stop blinding ourselves when it comes to tribal identity, Uganda is not Canada. Can't you tell the difference?? The fact that you going for the blindness of tribal identity brings me back to the discussion of "personal merit" as being applied to government jobs, where a majority of these jobs are dominated by Ugandans of Western descent. If you thought that such a "fundamental change" was not good for Uganda, what makes you think that tribal identities are bad for the country or Africa at large?? To me, you sound no different from Museveni or Obote. An explanation for the reason why non Blacks are going to the Jupiter (where they can not live) is because in Africa, people have still blinding themselves to the fact that we are diverse, tribal-wise. In many parts of Africa, like Uganda, we still have people among us who have failed to grasp this fact. E.g. Obote, Amin, Museveni. These men are elluding themselves to the tribal differences and they have all worked towards killing people of other tribes in order to "unite" Uganda. They thought that by oppressing their tribal opponents, they will get "nationalism". Hahaha, this is such an illussion - the greatest lie any Ugandan president could ever believe. The only way to move forward, is to acknowledge the tribal differences in our mothersoil and cut this denial. How should we acknowledge these differences?? = We should see people according to their tribe and have a tribally representative governance. How can we do this??= A tribally representative federalism can do the fundamental magic for us. How can it?? = With every tribe represented at the national and local level, a fair, just, representation,
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Dada: Thanks for this reality check which Owor Kipenji seems incapable of handling. I think you should also remind these people to focus on developing their regions for a better life other than reading Bukedde in English. Some of these people need a reality check. Zakoomu M. ===Adam Dada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owor, in fairness to Baganda, they at least have something to show for their "Gakyaali mabaga". What have we in the north got to show for the dominance of the polical scene post-independece. The truth is - NOTHING!!!. The Baganda may not be Canadians, by they are light years ahead of us and, by the way, we should really concentrate on how we can save the situation in our area, rather than picking on Buganda's "motto that appears to lead us to a cul-de sac". Who is in the cul-de-sac between us and the Baganda? My friend, you better have a reality check and aknowledge the dire situation we Northerners are in dear. Also, when were you last in Buganda? For you info, mud and wattle houses are now almost extinct in Buganda, being replace with corrogated roofed brick and mortar structures throught the Kingdom. We are, on the other hand still heavily burdened with thatched huts as the standard mode of housing. So please brother Kipen ji, I strongly advise a reality check and direct your efforts where it is really needed.ThanksAdam=== From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (BST)Mshemiwa Ssenyange,I want to applaud your logic if at allthat passes for one with the exception that you really did notpay attention to those Officers and Men of the UNLA who diedin that Helicopter crash with the then Chief of Army Staff.Do you remember a one Captain Godfrey Kato,a promisingthen 28 year old Muganda who died in that crash just a monthafter his colourful wedding?If you do ,does it mean that you and your fellow Baganda did actuallycelebrate the loss of this young and talented Muganda soldier,whose widow could be one of the listers on this forum?Ssenyange and ilk,the world has two fundamental divid e,i.e Black andWhite.In Ottawa where you reside,I do not think any non balck personwill ask you whether you are a Muganda first rather than whether youcome from Africa,by the time they ask you which part of Africa you hailthe discussion of your being a Muganda would not arise for that will matter less to them.This explains why these non Blacks are planningto go to the Mars and Jupiter while our blacks in Uganda are still bothering themselves with knowing olunyiriri,entuba and all that crap and busy celebrating other people's demise as if that by itself has precluded them from death.With this type of flawed logic,it is no wonder that the Buganda Motto since about 1200 has been and is:"Gakyaaali mabaga".Can we not stop and revist this motto that appears to lead us to a cul-de sac?.The logic is if whence you do something you get the same flawed results,you ought to change t he methodology if you are to move forward and that is what I expect of all those intellectuals and elites from MotherUganda.Thank you.Kipenji._-Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:What is the population of Baganda? Just curious !Secondly, some of us were in Uganda and in luwero at the time, but Museveni was the minister of defense, can Ssenyange tell us what happened in Uganda under Museveni's watch? It is one of those questions which will never be answered by our people who are enjoying the road map of peace, same as they say "Ffe kasita twebaka" yet they can not tell you who refused them to sleep all along, just a name who refused Ugandans to sleep?EmToronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri M useveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" Original Message -From: Y YaobangTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:11 PMSubject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojoks family secrets buried here\Ssenyange:You stated:"... the Baganda who lost the 500,000 relatives under Oyite's command. ..."This is a very serious statement and allegation. I would not be suprised if you ended up in court over this!!y--- From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojoks family secrets buried here\ Date: Sun , 18 Apr 2004 19:52:10 -0400 Owor Kipenji, As I mentioned in my
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Dada: Kipenji can not challenge your claims. He has turned to swearing at you as a way of challenging you. But that can not work with critical thinkers like you. The most sad thing is that such people have migrated to other regions of Uganda while abandoning their own kin and keith in the North. They claim to have alot of "pride" in the North, despite the fact that they have abandoned development there. And now they are very much interested in reading Bukedde in English and criticizing Buganda. Adam, I thank you for trying to redirect these kinds of people towards prosperity for the North. They have lost hope, but with people like you around, please continue to stir hope into their hearts. These are the kinds of things Northerners should be thinking about before some of them become anti-civilization. Zakoomu M. ==Adam Dada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kipenji, I'm not surprised at all that you disgracefully bow out of the debate - the reality check had probably hit you at last! Just as well, so you can redirect your misplaced and irrelevant pomposity elsewhere. Just the desire effect! The very least we require of you as your kin is to quit burying you head in sand in the comfort of western prosperity and do something about our people in the North, many of whom still live in caves, which pass for a homes.Thank you.AdamFrom: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:32:37 +0100 (BST)Adam,stop this stupid posturing of being who you are not.This cheap apostasy will take you know where.And for the nth time I will put you together with the obtundeddunderhead Zakoomu in the same q uartile of those whosepedastal logic will not warrant my indulgence.Thank you.Let your apostasy lead you through your amaurotic philisophyabout life.Thank you.Kipenji.Adam Dada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Owor, in fairness to Baganda, they at least have something to show for their"Gakyaali mabaga". What have we in the north got to show for the dominanceof the polical scene post-independece. The truth is - NOTHING!!!. TheBaganda may not be Canadians, by they are light years ahead of us and, bythe way, we should really concentrate on how we can save the situation inour area, rather than picking on Buganda's "motto that appears to lead us toa cul-de sac". Who is in the cul-de-sac between us and the Baganda? Myfriend, you better have a realit y check and aknowledge the dire situation weNortherners are in dear. Also, when were you last in Buganda? For you info,mud and wattle houses are now almost extinct in Buganda, being replace withcorrogated roofed brick and mortar structures throught the Kingdom. We are,on the other hand still heavily burdened with thatched huts as the standardmode of housing. So please brother Kipenji, I strongly advise a realitycheck and direct your efforts where it is really needed.ThanksAdam From: Owor Kipenji Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (BST) Mshemiwa Ssenyange,I want to applaud your logic if at all that passes for one with the exception that you really did not pay attention to those Officers and Men of the UNLA who died in that Helicopter crash with the then Chief of Army Staff. Do you remember a one Captain Godfrey Kato,a promising then 28 year old Muganda who died in that crash just a month after his colourful wedding? If you do ,does it mean that you and your fellow Baganda did actually celebrate the loss of this young and talented Muganda soldier,whose widow could be one of the listers on this forum? Ssenyange and ilk,the world has two fundamental divide,i.e Black and White.In Ottawa where you reside,I do not think any non balck person will ask you whether you are a Muganda first rather than whether you come from Africa,by the time they ask you which part of Africa you hail the discussion of your being a Muganda would not arise for that will matter l ess to them.This explains why these non Blacks are planning to go to the Mars and Jupiter while our blacks in Uganda are still bothering themselves with knowing olunyiriri,entuba and all that crap and busy celebrating other people's demise as if that by itself has precluded them from death. With this type of flawed logic,it is no wonder that the Buganda Motto since about 1200 has been and is:"Gakyaaali mabaga". Can we not stop and revist this motto that appears to lead us to a cul-de sac?.The logic is if whence you do something you get the same flawed results,you ought to change the methodology if you are to move forward and that is what I expect of all those intellectuals and elites from Mother Uganda. Thank you.
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Kipenji: How can Adam Dada be an IDIOT?? He is speaking the truth, unlike you who is in denial of under development of the North. In the North, people are still living in grass thatched houses and you are trying to deny it. You galla be livin' la vida fantasia. Zakoomu M.=== Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam, I told you before that I have not time for IDIOTS like you. Wallow in your IDIOCY till kingdom come. Ugandanet should not be turned into a gossip chat room by pigs and idiots of your type. Auf Wieder Sehen! Kipenji. _Adam Dada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kipenji, I'm not surprised at all that you disgracefully bow out of the debate - the reality check had probably hit you at last! Just as well, so you can redirect your misplaced and irrelevant pomposity elsewhere. Just the desire effect! The very least we require of you as your kin is to quit burying you head in sand in the comfort of western prosperity and do something about our people in the North, many of whom still live in caves, which pass for a homes.Thank you.Adam --From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:32:37 +0100 (BST)Adam,stop this stupid posturing of being who you are not.This cheap apostasy will take you know where.And for the nth time I will put you together with the obtundeddunderhead Zakoomu in the same quartile of those whosepedastal logic will not warrant my indulgence.Thank you.Let your apostasy lead you through your amaurotic philisophyabout life.Thank you.Kipenji.Adam Dada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Owor, in fairness to Bagand a, they at least have something to show for their"Gakyaali mabaga". What have we in the north got to show for the dominanceof the polical scene post-independece. The truth is - NOTHING!!!. TheBaganda may not be Canadians, by they are light years ahead of us and, bythe way, we should really concentrate on how we can save the situation inour area, rather than picking on Buganda's "motto that appears to lead us toa cul-de sac ". Who is in the cul-de-sac between us and the Baganda? Myfriend, you better have a reality check and aknowledge the dire situation weNortherners are in dear. Also, when were you last in Buganda? For you info,mud and wattle houses are now almost extinct in Buganda, being replace withcorrogated roofed brick and mortar structures throught the Kingdom. We are,on the other hand still heavily burdened with thatched huts as the standardmode of housing. So please brother Kipenji, I strongly advise a realitycheck and direct your efforts where it is really needed.ThanksAdam-- From: Owor Kipenji Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here\ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (BST) Mshemiwa Ssenyange,I want to applaud your logic if at all that passes for one with the exception that you really did not pay attention to those Officers and Men of the UNLA who died in that Helicopter crash with the then Chief of Army Staff. Do you remember a one Captain Godfrey Kato,a promising then 28 year old Muganda who died in that crash just a month after his colourful wedding? If you do ,does it mean that you and your fellow Baganda did actually celebrate the loss of this young and talented Muganda soldier,whose widow could be one of the listers on this forum? Ssenyange and ilk,the world has two fundamental divide,i.e Black and White.In Ottawa where you reside,I do not think any non balck person will ask you whether you are a Muganda first rather than whether you come from Africa,by the time they ask you which part of Africa you hail gt;the discussion of your being a Muganda would not arise for that will matter less to them.This explains why these non Blacks are planning to go to the Mars and Jupiter while our blacks in Uganda are still bothering themselves with knowing olunyiriri,entuba and all that crap and busy celebrating other people's demise as if that by itself has precluded them from death. With this type of flawed logic,it is no wonder that the Buganda Motto since about 1200 has been and is:"Gakyaaali mabaga". Can we not stop and revist this motto that appear s to lead us to a cul-de sac?.The logic is if whence you do something you get the same flawed results,you ought to change the methodology if you are to move forward and that is what I expect of all those intellectuals and elites from Mother Uganda. Thank you. Kipenji.
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Kipenji: Let me tell you something, in this world we live in, people do celebrate the deaths of their enemies. To be specific, people do act to bring death to their enemies through wars and other means. This is not new to a critical thinker like me. I will continue to celebrate the deaths of the enemies of my freedom. Does the celebration prelude me from death?? = NO! Do people who go to war to finish off their enemies eventually die in time?? = YES. Everyone will die, that's the natural law any child knows. The point however is that, in the absence (death) of an enemy, we freedom seekers get closer to what we want, and that is freedom. The closer (more enemies die) we get, the more celebrations we carry out. What is there for us to miss (mourn) for these murderers like Oyite-Ojok?? You've got to be kidding me. We weren't born yesterday. We know how this world works. And we shall press for this world to evolve around our FREEDOMS. An enemy of our freedom, is an enemy of our world and civilizations, and thus the enemy should get out of our way (death, exile). We have one life to live. We have no time and space for these enemies. This is why I shall praise Allah for his action towards the death of Oyite-Ojok. Captain Godfrey Kato might have died along with the enemies of freedom, it is not suprising to me. Kato was playing along with the enemies, supporting them in their every action to suppress our freedoms. It was either Kato was dumb, or he sold his soul to the enemies (puppet). Whatever he did, it is too late now to dwell on these puppets of our enemies. I see these puppets as equivalent to the enemy. Kipenji, I find it very uncritical ofyou to give the Canadian experience of Black and White as an example to work in a majority Black Uganda or Africa. In Canada they will view all Blacks as the same, but such does not apply in Uganda. In Uganda they will view people according to their TRIBES or nations (whatever they call it). Take the Bakenyi in Teso asan example. In Teso, any Mukenyi is doomed to be at the end of the list to see a doctor. In Teso, Bahiima settlers are viewed as a threat. And these are all "Black" people in our Black Africa, Uganda. Let us stop blinding ourselves when it comes to tribal identity, Uganda is not Canada. Can't you tell the difference?? The fact that you going for the blindness of tribal identity brings me back to the discussion of "personal merit" as being applied to government jobs, where a majority of these jobs are dominated by Ugandans of Western descent. If you thought that such a "fundamental change" was not good for Uganda, what makes you think that tribal identities are bad for the country or Africa at large?? To me, you sound no different from Museveni or Obote. An explanation for the reason why non Blacks are going to the Jupiter (where they can not live) is because in Africa, people have still blinding themselves to the fact that we are diverse, tribal-wise. In many parts of Africa, like Uganda, we still have people among us who have failed to grasp this fact. E.g. Obote, Amin, Museveni. These men are elluding themselves to the tribal differences and they have all worked towards killing people of other tribes in order to "unite" Uganda. They thought that by oppressing their tribal opponents, they will get "nationalism". Hahaha, this is such an illussion - the greatest lie any Ugandan president could ever believe. The only way to move forward, is to acknowledge the tribal differences in our mothersoil and cut this denial. How should we acknowledge these differences?? = We should see people according to their tribe and have a tribally representative governance. How can we do this??= A tribally representative federalism can do the fundamental magic for us. How can it?? = With every tribe represented at the national and local level, a fair, just, representation, sharing of power is achieved among all tribes. Can such federalism divide the country?? = NO! such federalism will infact strengthen our country and bring us towards true patriotism. How?? = Because each tribe gets its share of the national cake. Buganda's "Gakyaali mabaga" - (tip of the iceberg) slogan is not flawed logic, because it has worked for Buganda all this time. Gakyaali mabaga slogan prepares people for what's next, the worst they willsee. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst because the game is survival, and people must secure their future. That aint "flawed logic", if so, prove it. I believe there are other Gakyaali mabaga equivalents in other languages of Uganda. The problem however is that Owor Kipenji, you are trying to scapegoat Buganda and highlight it from the rest with your negative perspective. Living in Buganda with all its flawed logic, I wonder why people from all parts of mother Ugandatoday are eager to read Bukedde in English. Thesepeoplewanna know and they are very curious about Buganda and its success with all its intellectual logic of "Gakyaali
Re: ugnet_: Re: Oyite-Ojok's_family_secrets_buried_here - Kipenji
Zakoomu,sorry but I really have no time for obtunded dunderheads like you for your pedastal views are not worth my indulgence. Try your circumlocutions reminiscent of those under the burdens of bipolar disorders with others. Celebrate as much as your foolishness can lead you. Thank you. Kipenji. ___-Rehema Mukooza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kipenji: Let me tell you something, in this world we live in, people do celebrate the deaths of their enemies. To be specific, people do act to bring death to their enemies through wars and other means. This is not new to a critical thinker like me. I will continue to celebrate the deaths of the enemies of my freedom. Does the celebration prelude me from death?? = NO! Do people who go to war to finish off their enemies eventually die in time?? = YES. Everyone will die, that's the natural law any child knows. The point however is that, in the absence (death) of an enemy, we freedom seekers get closer to what we want, and that is freedom. The closer (more enemies die) we get, the more celebrations we carry out. What is there for us to miss (mourn) for these murderers like Oyite-Ojok?? You've got to be kidding me. We weren't born yesterday. We know how this world works. And we shall press for this world to evolve around our FREEDOMS. An enemy of our freedom, is an enemy of our world and civilizations, and thus the enemy should get out of our way (death, exile). We have one life to live. We have no time and space for these enemies. This is why I shall praise Allah for his action towards the death of Oyite-Ojok. Captain Godfrey Kato might have died along with the enemies of freedom, it is not suprising to me. Kato was playing along with the enemies, supporting them in their every action to suppress our freedoms. It was either Kato was dumb, or he sold his soul to the enemies (puppet). Whatever he did, it is too late now to dwell on these puppets of our enemies. I see these puppets as equivalent to the enemy. Kipenji, I find it very uncritical ofyou to give the Canadian experience of Black and White as an example to work in a majority Black Uganda or Africa. In Canada they will view all Blacks as the same, but such does not apply in Uganda. In Uganda they will view people according to their TRIBES or nations (whatever they call it). Take the Bakenyi in Teso asan example. In Teso, any Mukenyi is doomed to be at the end of the list to see a doctor. In Teso, Bahiima settlers are viewed as a threat. And these are all "Black" people in our Black Africa, Uganda. Let us stop blinding ourselves when it comes to tribal identity, Uganda is not Canada. Can't you tell the difference?? The fact that you going for the blindness of tribal identity brings me back to the discussion of "personal merit" as being applied to government jobs, where a majority of these jobs are dominated by Ugandans of Western descent. If you thought that such a "fundamental change" was not good for Uganda, what makes you think that tribal identities are bad for the country or Africa at large?? To me, you sound no different from Museveni or Obote. An explanation for the reason why non Blacks are going to the Jupiter (where they can not live) is because in Africa, people have still blinding themselves to the fact that we are diverse, tribal-wise. In many parts of Africa, like Uganda, we still have people among us who have failed to grasp this fact. E.g. Obote, Amin, Museveni. These men are elluding themselves to the tribal differences and they have all worked towards killing people of other tribes in order to "unite" Uganda. They thought that by oppressing their tribal opponents, they will get "nationalism". Hahaha, this is such an illussion - the greatest lie any Ugandan president could ever believe. The only way to move forward, is to acknowledge the tribal differences in our mothersoil and cut this denial. How should we acknowledge these differences?? = We should see people according to their tribe and have a tribally representative governance. How can we do this??= A tribally representative federalism can do the fundamental magic for us. How can it?? = With every tribe represented at the national and local level, a fair, just, representation, sharing of power is achieved among all tribes. Can such federalism divide the country?? = NO! such federalism will infact strengthen our country and bring us towards true patriotism. How?? = Because each tribe gets its share of the national cake. Buganda's "Gakyaali mabaga" - (tip of the iceberg) slogan is not flawed logic, because it has worked for Buganda all this time. Gakyaali mabaga slogan prepares people for what's next, the worst they willsee. There is nothing wrong with being prepared for the worst because the game is survival, and people must secure their future. That aint "flawed logic", if so, prove it. I believe there are other Gakyaali mabaga equivalents in other
