Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Paul Mansfield
The first one, I forget all the details but I think @Nick Sellors
who's probably a lurker on this list, may give more details, but as I
remember it...

Teledanmark (I think) had a PoP whose UPS needed upgrading. In
preparation they topped up the diesel and fired up the backup
generator, put the UPS into bypass and it was removed.
The lorry carrying the new generator was reversing onto the site, and
collided with the generator and took the site offline.


The second one, and unfortunately my google-fu has failed to find the
original text, is a story of how the night shift at a large computing
facility would get bored and play cricket using a ball made of a
rolled-up ball of paper and an improvised bat. The games got fiercer
and the players better. Then one day someone hit the "ball" really
hard for a perfect six and it hit the emergency power off. I seem to
recall the author saying the sudden silence was shocking.

The closest I could get to the story:
https://www.usenix.org/legacy/publications/bibliography/byDate.html
http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/usenix1990.html#Anonymous:1996:HSC



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Peter Knapp
Be*There, Global Crossing/Level 3 etc.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/09/major-broadband-outage-northampton-uk-business-park-fire.html

Peter

From: uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jack Kay
Sent: 01 June 2017 18:50
To: Simon Green
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/telecity_outage_fix_failed/

The SOV outage wasn’t day long.. but the fallout and “AT RISK” period that came 
around that spanned several days.


On 1 Jun 2017, at 11:50, Simon Green 
> wrote:

Morning List :)

I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the UK, 
from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some other 
industrial accident).

Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact the 
better.

Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.

I’m aware of:
• Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone
• The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were 
less than a day



Simon



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Job Snijders
The syslog is real :-)

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 at 16:59, Will Hargrave  wrote:

> On 1 Jun 2017, at 15:09, Rob Evans wrote:
>
> >> As I recall fuzzy though was AC issues caused by dust and they
> >> eventually ran out of fuel for the generator as the port authority
> >> wouldn't allow tankers onto Manhattan. Might be wrong on that long
> >> time ago.
> > We have an epic ticket from that, I’ll see if I can find a copy.
>
> The catastrophic fire which took out University of Twente’s DC in 2002
> is an example that springs to mind. Not sure if the legendary syslog
> messages are fake or not:
>
>
> lo0.ar5.enschede1.surf.net 3613: Nov 20 07:20:50.927 UTC:
> %ENV_MON-2-TEMP: Hotpoint temp sensor(slot 18) temperature has reached
> WARNING level at 61(C)
> lo0.cr2.amsterdam2.surf.net 1146: Nov 20 07:20:56.458 UTC:
> %CLNS-5-ADJCHANGE: ISIS: Adjacency to ar5.enschede1 (POS2/0) Down,
> interface deleted(non-iih)
>
> --
> Will Hargrave
> Technical Director
> LONAP Ltd
> +44 114 303 
>
>


Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Neil J. McRae
Depressing seeing so many link from the register. Very sad.

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Jun 2017, at 18:53, Jack Kay > wrote:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/telecity_outage_fix_failed/

The SOV outage wasn’t day long.. but the fallout and “AT RISK” period that came 
around that spanned several days.


On 1 Jun 2017, at 11:50, Simon Green 
> wrote:

Morning List :)

I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the UK, 
from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some other 
industrial accident).

Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact the 
better.

Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.

I’m aware of:
• Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone
• The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were 
less than a day



Simon



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Jack Kay
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/telecity_outage_fix_failed/

The SOV outage wasn’t day long.. but the fallout and “AT RISK” period that came 
around that spanned several days.


On 1 Jun 2017, at 11:50, Simon Green 
> wrote:

Morning List :)

I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the UK, 
from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some other 
industrial accident).

Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact the 
better.

Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.

I’m aware of:
• Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone
• The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were 
less than a day



Simon



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Tony Finch
Will Hargrave  wrote:
>
> The catastrophic fire which took out University of Twente’s DC in 2002 is an
> example that springs to mind. Not sure if the legendary syslog messages are
> fake or not:
>
> lo0.ar5.enschede1.surf.net 3613: Nov 20 07:20:50.927 UTC: %ENV_MON-2-TEMP: 
> Hotpoint temp sensor(slot 18) temperature has reached WARNING level at 61(C)
> lo0.cr2.amsterdam2.surf.net 1146: Nov 20 07:20:56.458 UTC: %CLNS-5-ADJCHANGE: 
> ISIS: Adjacency to ar5.enschede1 (POS2/0) Down, interface deleted(non-iih)

Reminds me of when one of our E450s lost its magic smoke - nearly burned a
hole in its motherboard, but still managed to print a panic message on its
console. Happily it did not set off the fire alarm...

http://people.ds.cam.ac.uk/fanf2/hermes/doc/misc/orange-fire/

Tony.
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Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Will Hargrave

On 1 Jun 2017, at 15:09, Rob Evans wrote:

As I recall fuzzy though was AC issues caused by dust and they 
eventually ran out of fuel for the generator as the port authority 
wouldn't allow tankers onto Manhattan. Might be wrong on that long 
time ago.

We have an epic ticket from that, I’ll see if I can find a copy.


The catastrophic fire which took out University of Twente’s DC in 2002 
is an example that springs to mind. Not sure if the legendary syslog 
messages are fake or not:



lo0.ar5.enschede1.surf.net 3613: Nov 20 07:20:50.927 UTC: 
%ENV_MON-2-TEMP: Hotpoint temp sensor(slot 18) temperature has reached 
WARNING level at 61(C)
lo0.cr2.amsterdam2.surf.net 1146: Nov 20 07:20:56.458 UTC: 
%CLNS-5-ADJCHANGE: ISIS: Adjacency to ar5.enschede1 (POS2/0) Down, 
interface deleted(non-iih)


--
Will Hargrave
Technical Director
LONAP Ltd
+44 114 303 



Re: [uknof] [Ext] Re: Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Leo Vegoda
Tim Chown wrote:

[...]

> I must admit to being confused by BT’s “unlimited infinity”
>  advert. In what way is infinity limited?

An uncountable infinite set is larger than a countable infinite set, no? 
Perhaps marketing teams will turn to Cantor and set theory for future 
superlatives?


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Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Rob Evans

> As a reminder for the bitrot in the last 16 years...
> 
>   http://www.slimey.org/bbc_ticket_10083.txt

Our version of the same is appended (newest updates at top).

Rob

> Ticket Number: 20010912-2  Ticket Status: UPDATE
> Ticket Type  : Unscheduled Ticket Source: TEN-US NOC
> Ticket Scope : SiteSite/Line: New York
> Ticket Owner : TEN-US NOC  Problem Fixer: Telehouse NY
> Ticket Opened: 20010912 12:08 UTC  Problem Start: 20010911 20:35 UTC
> Ticket Update: 20010918 05:13 UTC
> Ticket Closed: Problem Ends :
> 
> 
> Ticket Summary: Status of 25 Broadway
> 
> Problem Description:
> 
> This ticket is being issued to track the status of the infrastructure
> at the DANTE World Services PoP in New York.  Individual circuits
> will be dealt with separately.  Updates will be in the "actions" section
> below.
> 
> Affected:
> 
> DANTE World Service
> 
> Actions:
> 
> cziarhe   20010918 05:13 UTC
> Load was switched from the Con Ed generator to the critical generator
> as planned.  Unfortunately, after about 45 minutes the generator
> again began to overheat and the load was switched back.  This was
> achieved without interruption to service.  It is now believed this
> could be due to limescale build-up in the radiator.
> 
> This is to be rectified by using an acid wash through the cooling
> system and again running the generator under load at 22:30 UTC
> tonight (Tuesday).
> 
> A plan is also being developed to bring in a new generator should
> the situation with the critical generator persist.
> 
> 
> 
> Time to Fix: (Hours:Mins)
> 
> 
> 
> Fix:
> 
> 
> 
> History:
> 
> cziarhe   20010917 21:53 UTC
> Telehouse NY believe the problems with their "critical" generator
> have been caused by faulty thermostats.  These have now been replaced
> and the generator has been spun up for a basic test.  The next
> step is to try a load test, which will begin at 22:30 UTC.  If
> this is successful, then load from the "essential" generator, which
> supplies the air conditioning will be transferred to the Con Ed
> generator for maintainence to take place on this generator, which
> has also been running overtemperature.
> 
> Assuming all this works successfully, Telehouse plan to run the
> Con Ed generator in conjunction with either the essential (Air
> Con) or critical (equipment) generator to make the best use of
> available fuel.  Further fuel supply problems are not thought to
> be likely as there are 17 tankers in the city, and a further 30
> generators are available.
> 
> The IP NOC will monitor the initial switch to the critical generator
> to ensure equipment remains in operation, and reinstall the workaround
> with KPN should it be needed.
> 
> cziarhe   20010916 14:59 UTC
> The latest update from Telehouse reports that an extra 2000 gallon
> fuel tank is expected to be connected to the Con Ed generator soon
> to allow for longer refuelling intervals.  in addition, Con Ed's
> refuelling process to all buildings in the area has now settled
> down, so it should be as reliable as possible in the circumstances.
> 
> An engineer is currently onsite investigating the problems with
> Telehouse's own generator.
> 
> cziarhe   20010916 12:05 UTC
> Regular fuel deliveries appear to have been secured for the Con
> Ed generator.  There were deliveries at 02:00 UTC and 11:30 UTC,
> and another is scheduled for 21:30 UTC.
> 
> The status of the Telehouse generator is currently unknown.
> 
> cziajom   20010915 20:16 UTC
> Contacted Telehouse NY. Informed that Con Ed generator is now up,
> with enough fuel until Tuesday (18 Sep). Engineers are still working
> on the Telehouse generator. NY Routers are starting to come up.
> 
> cziarhe   20010915 18:25 UTC
> Despite what we were informed of earlier, the Con Ed generator ran
> out of fuel at 16:45 UTC.  Telehouse's generator then started up,
> but overheated again.  There is a fuel truck just outside the cordoned
> area, but it is not being allowed through, and unfortunately we
> have no ETA for the fuel, or time-to-repair for the Telehouse generator.
> 
> cziarhe   20010915 18:15 UTC
> Power was lost again at 17:45 UTC, we are contacting Telehouse for
> information.
> 
> cziarhe   20010915 15:52 UTC
> The current status relayed to us by Telehouse is as follows:
> 
> The Con Ed generator is monitored around the clock by Con Ed personnel,
> who are responsible for refuelling it.  As of 15:00 UTC there was
> approximately 15 hours worth of fuel remaining.
> 
> The water pump on Telehouse's own generator has been replaced and
> the unit has been run for about 30 minutes to test.  Telehouse
> are taking this opportunity to perform some routine maintenance
> (changing oil and filters, pressure washing the radiator) to ensure
> it is ready should it be needed for another extended run.
> 
> Fuel currently available onsite should last until 

Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Tim Anker
+1 for Hurricane Sandy hitting a few Manhattan and East coast facilities.  I 
recall hearing stories of staff in 75 Broad trudging up and down stairs with 
buckets of diesel (due to pump failures) until they were (probably quite 
sensibly) told to stop.  Other facilities also had issues with diesel, eg algae 
clogging up filters etc after prolonged running etc 

Back here, Gos has featured a few times on this "list of shame", Braham had a 
network issue once due to theft, HEX, Sov (quite recently) but don’t think any 
of these have been days and days.  A bit of Googling will unearth these.  A 
large ISP had a mega network issue a couple of years ago, they have since been 
acquired, haven't the heart to name and shame on here, you're welcome to call 
me if you want the full grizzly details!!  But again, more of a network than 
data centre issue.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of James Bensley
Sent: 01 June 2017 14:42
To: Simon Green 
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

On 1 June 2017 at 11:50, Simon Green  wrote:
> Morning List :)
>
>
>
> I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in 
> the UK, from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or 
> some other industrial accident).
>
>
>
> Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher 
> impact the better.
>
>
>
> Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.
>
>
>
> I’m aware of:
>
> · Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone
>
> · The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were
> less than a day
>


Not a DC outage but the Kings College outage was pretty serious, if you have a 
SPoF be it a single RAID array or single DC, its a SPoF;

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/25/and_so_we_enter_day_seven_of_kings_college_london_major_it_outage/

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/15/after_kcl_kills_uniwide_backups_staff_get_order_to_never_make_their_own/

Cheers,
James.



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Rob Evans

> As I recall fuzzy though was AC issues caused by dust and they eventually ran 
> out of fuel for the generator as the port authority wouldn't allow tankers 
> onto Manhattan. Might be wrong on that long time ago.

We have an epic ticket from that, I’ll see if I can find a copy.

Rob



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Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Phil Mayers

On 01/06/17 14:41, James Bensley wrote:


Not a DC outage but the Kings College outage was pretty serious, if
you have a SPoF be it a single RAID array or single DC, its a SPoF;


I dislike linking to the 'reg (yuck) but another useful link related the 
the KCL problems is:


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/23/kcl_external_review/

The review is a surprisingly even-handed document IMO. Some of the 
non-technical findings - p. 12 & 13 - are worth pondering.


Cheers,
Phil



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread James Bensley
On 1 June 2017 at 11:50, Simon Green  wrote:
> Morning List :)
>
>
>
> I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the UK,
> from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some other
> industrial accident).
>
>
>
> Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact the
> better.
>
>
>
> Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.
>
>
>
> I’m aware of:
>
> · Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone
>
> · The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were
> less than a day
>


Not a DC outage but the Kings College outage was pretty serious, if
you have a SPoF be it a single RAID array or single DC, its a SPoF;

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/25/and_so_we_enter_day_seven_of_kings_college_london_major_it_outage/

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/15/after_kcl_kills_uniwide_backups_staff_get_order_to_never_make_their_own/

Cheers,
James.



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Paul Waring

On 01/06/17 11:50, Simon Green wrote:
I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the 
UK, from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some 
other industrial accident).


Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact 
the better.


SSP had a major outage towards the end of 2016 where a data centre power 
supply failure damaged their storage system. They supply integration 
software to a significant percentage of insurance brokers, who were 
basically unable to do any work for several weeks:


http://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/uk/news/breaking-news/the-ssp-outage-two-weeks-on-37592.aspx

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/07/ssp_decommissions_outage_hit_data_centre/

It didn't make the mainstream news (other than El Reg) as SSP isn't a 
household name, but it was the top story within the industry for over a 
month.


--
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Freelance consultant
https://www.pwaring.com



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread David Derrick

On 01/06/2017 11:50, Simon Green wrote:

Morning List :)

I'm hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in
the UK, from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion
or some other industrial accident).


Have you asked BA?

Any particular reason you want UK examples? I can think of several 
examples in the US, like The Planet in Houston and the ones affected by 
Hurricane Sandy.

--
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Systems & Network Engineer
Entanet International Ltd
0330 100 0330



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Simon Lockhart
As a reminder for the bitrot in the last 16 years...

http://www.slimey.org/bbc_ticket_10083.txt

Simon

On Thu Jun 01, 2017 at 01:26:46PM +, Neil J. McRae wrote:
> As I recall fuzzy though was AC issues caused by dust and they eventually ran 
> out of fuel for the generator as the port authority wouldn't allow tankers 
> onto Manhattan. Might be wrong on that long time ago.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 1 Jun 2017, at 14:22, Rob pickering 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> Not UK, but Telehouse NY 25 Broadway had a fairly long outage a few days 
> after the initial 9/11 attack. ISTR they were initially OK, but then had a 
> generator problems due to ingress of dust into radiators. It's a long while 
> ago, lots of neural bit rot since then, may not have been 25 Broadway at all, 
> but Nanog archives (if they go back that far) will probably tell you quite a 
> bit of the story.
> 
> On 01/06/2017 11:50, Simon Green wrote:
> Morning List :)
> 
> I???m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the UK, 
> from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some other 
> industrial accident).
> 
> Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact the 
> better.
> 
> Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.
> 
> I???m aware of:
> 
> · Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone
> 
> · The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were 
> less than a day
> 
> 
> 
> Simon
> 

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Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Neil J. McRae
As I recall fuzzy though was AC issues caused by dust and they eventually ran 
out of fuel for the generator as the port authority wouldn't allow tankers onto 
Manhattan. Might be wrong on that long time ago.

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Jun 2017, at 14:22, Rob pickering 
> wrote:


Not UK, but Telehouse NY 25 Broadway had a fairly long outage a few days after 
the initial 9/11 attack. ISTR they were initially OK, but then had a generator 
problems due to ingress of dust into radiators. It's a long while ago, lots of 
neural bit rot since then, may not have been 25 Broadway at all, but Nanog 
archives (if they go back that far) will probably tell you quite a bit of the 
story.

On 01/06/2017 11:50, Simon Green wrote:
Morning List :)

I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the UK, 
from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some other 
industrial accident).

Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact the 
better.

Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.

I’m aware of:

· Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone

· The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were 
less than a day



Simon



Re: [uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Rob pickering
Not UK, but Telehouse NY 25 Broadway had a fairly long outage a few days 
after the initial 9/11 attack. ISTR they were initially OK, but then had 
a generator problems due to ingress of dust into radiators. It's a long 
while ago, lots of neural bit rot since then, may not have been 25 
Broadway at all, but Nanog archives (if they go back that far) will 
probably tell you quite a bit of the story.



On 01/06/2017 11:50, Simon Green wrote:


Morning List :)

I’m hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in 
the UK, from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or 
some other industrial accident).


Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher 
impact the better.


Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.

I’m aware of:

·Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone

·The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were 
less than a day


Simon





Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2017/06/01 13:56, Alex Harrowell wrote:
> IIRC one of the US cablecos had a wireless broadband product called OMG
> FAST!

And verizon were dismissive in advertisements about their "half-fast"
competitors with low upstream speeds :)




Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Bruce, Paul
Well that is certainly scalable up to infinity (and beyond)

Paul

-Original Message-
From: uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony Finch
Sent: 01 June 2017 13:35
To: Tom Hill
Cc: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

Tom Hill  wrote:
>
> Clearly, none of you have played Unreal Tournament in a while.
>
> 'MONSTER FAST!'

Our 4yo's superlative is currently "ONE BILLION" (said loudly and with great 
excitement), e.g. "ONE BILLION fast!"

Tony.
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Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Alex Harrowell
IIRC one of the US cablecos had a wireless broadband product called OMG FAST!

On 1 June 2017 13:42:00 BST, "Neil J. McRae"  wrote:
>Sounds like a future pinball player :)
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 1 Jun 2017, at 13:38, Tony Finch  wrote:
>> 
>> Tom Hill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Clearly, none of you have played Unreal Tournament in a while.
>>> 
>>> 'MONSTER FAST!'
>> 
>> Our 4yo's superlative is currently "ONE BILLION" (said loudly and
>with
>> great excitement), e.g. "ONE BILLION fast!"
>> 
>> Tony.
>> -- 
>> f.anthony.n.finch    http://dotat.at/  -  I xn--zr8h
>punycode
>> Fisher: Westerly 5 or 6, backing southwesterly 3 or 4, backing
>southeasterly
>> later. Slight occasionally moderate for a time. Occasional rain
>later. Good,
>> occasionally moderate later.
>> 

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Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Neil J. McRae
Sounds like a future pinball player :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jun 2017, at 13:38, Tony Finch  wrote:
> 
> Tom Hill  wrote:
>> 
>> Clearly, none of you have played Unreal Tournament in a while.
>> 
>> 'MONSTER FAST!'
> 
> Our 4yo's superlative is currently "ONE BILLION" (said loudly and with
> great excitement), e.g. "ONE BILLION fast!"
> 
> Tony.
> -- 
> f.anthony.n.finch    http://dotat.at/  -  I xn--zr8h punycode
> Fisher: Westerly 5 or 6, backing southwesterly 3 or 4, backing southeasterly
> later. Slight occasionally moderate for a time. Occasional rain later. Good,
> occasionally moderate later.
> 



Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Tony Finch
Tom Hill  wrote:
>
> Clearly, none of you have played Unreal Tournament in a while.
>
> 'MONSTER FAST!'

Our 4yo's superlative is currently "ONE BILLION" (said loudly and with
great excitement), e.g. "ONE BILLION fast!"

Tony.
-- 
f.anthony.n.finch    http://dotat.at/  -  I xn--zr8h punycode
Fisher: Westerly 5 or 6, backing southwesterly 3 or 4, backing southeasterly
later. Slight occasionally moderate for a time. Occasional rain later. Good,
occasionally moderate later.



Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Marco Slater
Ludicrous speed?

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0 )

- Marco

On 1 Jun 2017, 09:03 +0100, Catalin Dominte , wrote:
> Are we past Hyper yet? Or Supersonic?
>
> Catalin
>
>
> On 1 June 2017 at 08:57:34, Marty Strong (ma...@cloudflare.com) wrote:
> > Holy f***ing s**t fast?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marty Strong
> > --
> > Cloudflare - AS13335
> > Network Engineer
> > ma...@cloudflare.com
> > +44 7584 906 055
> > smartflare (Skype)
> >
> > https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/13335
> >
> > > On 1 Jun 2017, at 08:46, Jethro R Binks  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 31 May 2017, Bruce, Paul wrote:
> > >
> > >> Whether our customers are connected by FTTP or HFC the experience will
> > >> be the same with the same ultrafast speeds.
> > >
> > > Ah we're up to "ultra" now are we? Good good, I like to keep track of the
> > > current superlative. So that's what, 300Mb/s according to earlier
> > > messages?
> > >
> > > What comes after "ultra"?
> > >
> > > Jethro.
> > >
> > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > > Jethro R Binks, Network Manager,
> > > Information Services Directorate, University Of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK
> > >
> > > The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in
> > > Scotland, number SC015263.
> > >
> >
> >


Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Tim Chown
> On 1 Jun 2017, at 12:34, Tom Hill  wrote:
> 
> On 01/06/17 09:11, Chris Russell wrote:
>> On 01/06/2017 09:00, Catalin Dominte wrote:
>>> Are we past Hyper yet? Or Supersonic? 
>> 
>> I'm a fan of 'Tremendous'.
> 
> Clearly, none of you have played Unreal Tournament in a while.
> 
> 'MONSTER FAST!'

I must admit to being confused by BT’s “unlimited infinity” advert. In what way 
is infinity limited?

Tim


Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Chris Russell



 I'm a fan of 'Tremendous'.


Clearly, none of you have played Unreal Tournament in a while.

'MONSTER FAST!'


 Being instagibbed is in the AUP T's and C's ..


C




Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Tom Hill
On 01/06/17 09:11, Chris Russell wrote:
> On 01/06/2017 09:00, Catalin Dominte wrote:
>> Are we past Hyper yet? Or Supersonic? 
> 
>  I'm a fan of 'Tremendous'.

Clearly, none of you have played Unreal Tournament in a while.

'MONSTER FAST!'

-- 
Tom



[uknof] Example of total DC loss

2017-06-01 Thread Simon Green
Morning List :)

I'm hunting for an examples of long duration data centre outages in the UK, 
from a day of downtime to total data centre loss (explosion or some other 
industrial accident).

Is anyone aware of any tails they could share? Bigger and higher impact the 
better.

Slightly more casually interested in BT exchanges as well.

I'm aware of:

* Several corporate incidents, including Three, Capita, and Vodafone

* The Telecity power issues from a few years back, though they were 
less than a day



Simon


Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Chris Russell

On 01/06/2017 09:00, Catalin Dominte wrote:

Are we past Hyper yet? Or Supersonic? 


 I'm a fan of 'Tremendous'.

 In marketing speak however, they'll truly have hit the bullseye when 
their broadband is 'Super, Smashing, Great' [1]



 Agree with peak time latencies btw   about 4-5 of us network 
engineers have a rolling argument with Virgin Media about packet loss 
from their Gateshead head-end at peak times. Support won't acknowledge 
this,  despite at least 2 of us having physical access for said head-end 
for $dayjobs, cos like we know nowt :)





Chris
[1] - Free speedboat with every order.



Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Marty Strong
Holy f***ing s**t fast?

Regards,
Marty Strong
--
Cloudflare - AS13335
Network Engineer
ma...@cloudflare.com
+44 7584 906 055
smartflare (Skype)

https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/13335

> On 1 Jun 2017, at 08:46, Jethro R Binks  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Bruce, Paul wrote:
> 
>> Whether our customers are connected by FTTP or HFC the experience will 
>> be the same with the same ultrafast speeds.
> 
> Ah we're up to "ultra" now are we?  Good good, I like to keep track of the 
> current superlative.  So that's what, 300Mb/s according to earlier 
> messages?
> 
> What comes after "ultra"?
> 
> Jethro.
> 
> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> Jethro R Binks, Network Manager,
> Information Services Directorate, University Of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK
> 
> The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in
> Scotland, number SC015263.
> 




Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Bruce, Paul
Thank goodness I am not in marketing

 :0)

-Original Message-
From: uknof [mailto:uknof-boun...@lists.uknof.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jethro R 
Binks
Sent: 01 June 2017 08:46
To: uknof@lists.uknof.org.uk
Subject: Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

On Wed, 31 May 2017, Bruce, Paul wrote:

> Whether our customers are connected by FTTP or HFC the experience will 
> be the same with the same ultrafast speeds.

Ah we're up to "ultra" now are we?  Good good, I like to keep track of the 
current superlative.  So that's what, 300Mb/s according to earlier messages?

What comes after "ultra"?

Jethro.

.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
Jethro R Binks, Network Manager,
Information Services Directorate, University Of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK

The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, 
number SC015263.



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Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Catalin Dominte
Are we past Hyper yet? Or Supersonic?

Catalin


On 1 June 2017 at 08:57:34, Marty Strong (ma...@cloudflare.com) wrote:

Holy f***ing s**t fast?

Regards,
Marty Strong
--
Cloudflare - AS13335
Network Engineer
ma...@cloudflare.com
+44 7584 906 055
smartflare (Skype)

https://www.peeringdb.com/asn/13335

> On 1 Jun 2017, at 08:46, Jethro R Binks 
wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 May 2017, Bruce, Paul wrote:
>
>> Whether our customers are connected by FTTP or HFC the experience will
>> be the same with the same ultrafast speeds.
>
> Ah we're up to "ultra" now are we? Good good, I like to keep track of the
> current superlative. So that's what, 300Mb/s according to earlier
> messages?
>
> What comes after "ultra"?
>
> Jethro.
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Jethro R Binks, Network Manager,
> Information Services Directorate, University Of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK
>
> The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in
> Scotland, number SC015263.
>


Re: [uknof] Virgin Media fibre expansion

2017-06-01 Thread Jethro R Binks
On Wed, 31 May 2017, Bruce, Paul wrote:

> Whether our customers are connected by FTTP or HFC the experience will 
> be the same with the same ultrafast speeds.

Ah we're up to "ultra" now are we?  Good good, I like to keep track of the 
current superlative.  So that's what, 300Mb/s according to earlier 
messages?

What comes after "ultra"?

Jethro.

.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
Jethro R Binks, Network Manager,
Information Services Directorate, University Of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK

The University of Strathclyde is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, number SC015263.