Re: Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

[James Kass via Unicode]

Well, it was intended to be off list.  It seems that this has been 
mentioned before, for example;

http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2011-m07/0029.html
Maybe it's time for a new thread/subject title?

Re: Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

[James Kass via Unicode]

On 2019-08-21 2:40 AM, James Kass wrote:

Are we are allowed to write Llangollen as the definition of the
Unicode Collation Algorithm implies we should, with an invisible CGJ
between the 'n' and the 'g', so that it will collate correctly in
Welsh?  That CGJ is necessary so that it will collate*after*
Llanberis. (The problem is that the letter 'ng' comes before the letter
'n'.) 
(This is off-list).  If 'ng' comes before 'n', shouldn't Llangollen 
collate *before* Llanberis in a Welsh listing?

Re: Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

[James Kass via Unicode]

On 2019-08-21 2:08 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote:

Are we are allowed to write Llangollen as the definition of the
Unicode Collation Algorithm implies we should, with an invisible CGJ
between the 'n' and the 'g', so that it will collate correctly in
Welsh?  That CGJ is necessary so that it will collate*after*
Llanberis. (The problem is that the letter 'ng' comes before the letter
'n'.)
So that it won't collate correctly in anything other than Welsh? Isn't 
it better to use an application which enables Welsh collation?  Here's 
how BabelPad handles Welsh:

http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelPad_Sort_Lines.html

Re: Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

[Richard Wordingham via Unicode]

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:43:43 +
Andrew Glass via Unicode  wrote:

> The order of medials in Myanmar clusters is constrained by UTN
> #11. So yes, you do need to
> follow the preferred order for Myanmar even if the sequence does not
> match phonetic order.

Are we are allowed to write Llangollen as the definition of the
Unicode Collation Algorithm implies we should, with an invisible CGJ
between the 'n' and the 'g', so that it will collate correctly in
Welsh?  That CGJ is necessary so that it will collate *after*
Llanberis. (The problem is that the letter 'ng' comes before the letter
'n'.)

Welsh is a European language, so I believe it has the right to
strive to have its words collated correctly.  But perhaps I'm wrong.

Richard.

Re: Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

[Vinodh Rajan via Unicode]

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I did have a quick look at the Sanskrit section but the examples given
didn't cover these sequences. I now see that the order of diacritics is
present in the beginning.

//Is it the case the representation is  ဒျွ ဒျြ matches the visual output
you were expecting?//

Yup. The exactly match what I was expecting.

Cheers,

Vinodh Rajan


On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, 00:43 Andrew Glass,  wrote:

> Hi Vinodh,
>
>
>
> The order of medials in Myanmar clusters is constrained by UTN #11
> . So yes, you do need to follow the
> preferred order for Myanmar even if the sequence does not match phonetic
> order.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From:* Unicode  *On Behalf Of *Vinodh Rajan
> via Unicode
> *Sent:* 20 August 2019 15:29
> *To:* Unicode Mailing List 
> *Subject:* Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I was wondering how to encode the Sanskrit medial sequences -vy - and -ry-
> in Myanmar as they occur in Sanskrit syllables such as dvya and trya
> regularly.
>
>
>
> I tried to encode the above as ဒွျ (Cons U+103D U+103B) and ဒြျ (Cons
> U+103C U+103B) but all rendering engines insert a dotted circle before the
> medial YA.
>
>
>
> Interestingly, reversing the order of the medials seem to work: ဒျွ ဒျြ
>
>
>
> Am I supposed to invert the order of the medials to render them
> appropriately? Is this the correct way to represent them in Unicode?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Vinodh Rajan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.virtualvinodh.com
> 
>

RE: Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

[Andrew Glass via Unicode]

Hi Vinodh,

The order of medials in Myanmar clusters is constrained by UTN 
#11. So yes, you do need to follow the 
preferred order for Myanmar even if the sequence does not match phonetic order.

Is it the case the representation is  ဒျွ ဒျြ matches the visual output you 
were expecting?

Cheers,

Andrew

From: Unicode  On Behalf Of Vinodh Rajan via 
Unicode
Sent: 20 August 2019 15:29
To: Unicode Mailing List 
Subject: Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

Hi,

I was wondering how to encode the Sanskrit medial sequences -vy - and -ry- in 
Myanmar as they occur in Sanskrit syllables such as dvya and trya regularly.

I tried to encode the above as ဒွျ (Cons U+103D U+103B) and ဒြျ (Cons U+103C 
U+103B) but all rendering engines insert a dotted circle before the medial YA.

Interestingly, reversing the order of the medials seem to work: ဒျွ ဒျြ

Am I supposed to invert the order of the medials to render them appropriately? 
Is this the correct way to represent them in Unicode?

Cheers,

Vinodh Rajan



--
http://www.virtualvinodh.com

Rendering Sanskrit Medial Sequences -vy- and -ry- in Myanmar

[Vinodh Rajan via Unicode]

Hi,

I was wondering how to encode the Sanskrit medial sequences -vy - and -ry-
in Myanmar as they occur in Sanskrit syllables such as dvya and trya
regularly.

I tried to encode the above as ဒွျ (Cons U+103D U+103B) and ဒြျ (Cons
U+103C U+103B) but all rendering engines insert a dotted circle before the
medial YA.

Interestingly, reversing the order of the medials seem to work: ဒျွ ဒျြ

Am I supposed to invert the order of the medials to render them
appropriately? Is this the correct way to represent them in Unicode?

Cheers,

Vinodh Rajan



-- 
http://www.virtualvinodh.com