Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
James, you might want to review (at least) the OFL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_Open_Font_License, a license specifically created for fonts, created with freedoms in mind. In several respects it fits fonts much better than GPLv3. /Sz On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 18:12, James Kass jamesk...@att.net wrote: I rather would stick with GPLv3, simply because more permissive license threatens freedom. For example, someone may take over my fonts, develop them further, and subsequently change their license to something commercial-only. It is what I want to avoid. Just something like stories known from MACOS X, initially Berkeley-licensed-software derivative, finally commercialized product. James Kass
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
Sorry, I was reading my mail threads according to time/date. I see now that the same has been proposed on the other thread. I also see you preferring not to act due to private commitments and time constrains. Sorry, again, for bringing this up unnecessarily. All the best for your struggle, and keep it simple! /Szabolcs On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:49, Szelp, A. Sz. a.sz.sz...@gmail.com wrote: James, you might want to review (at least) the OFL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_Open_Font_License, a license specifically created for fonts, created with freedoms in mind. In several respects it fits fonts much better than GPLv3. /Sz On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 18:12, James Kass jamesk...@att.net wrote: I rather would stick with GPLv3, simply because more permissive license threatens freedom. For example, someone may take over my fonts, develop them further, and subsequently change their license to something commercial-only. It is what I want to avoid. Just something like stories known from MACOS X, initially Berkeley-licensed-software derivative, finally commercialized product. James Kass
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
Open Font License added already to https://sourceforge.net/projects/code2000/ page. So Code2nnn is now dual-licensed. James Kass --- On Sat, 2/4/12, Szelp, A. Sz. a.sz.sz...@gmail.com wrote: From: Szelp, A. Sz. a.sz.sz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: James Kass jamesk...@att.net Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012, 9:57 AM Sorry, I was reading my mail threads according to time/date. I see now that the same has been proposed on the other thread. I also see you preferring not to act due to private commitments and time constrains. Sorry, again, for bringing this up unnecessarily. All the best for your struggle, and keep it simple! /Szabolcs On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:49, Szelp, A. Sz. a.sz.sz...@gmail.com wrote: James, you might want to review (at least) the OFL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_Open_Font_License, a license specifically created for fonts, created with freedoms in mind. In several respects it fits fonts much better than GPLv3. /Sz On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 18:12, James Kass jamesk...@att.net wrote: I rather would stick with GPLv3, simply because more permissive license threatens freedom. For example, someone may take over my fonts, develop them further, and subsequently change their license to something commercial-only. It is what I want to avoid. Just something like stories known from MACOS X, initially Berkeley-licensed-software derivative, finally commercialized product. James Kass
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
As a side effect of correspondence with Thierry Thomas and Paul Wise I provide evidence of third party non-trustable Wikipedia rumouring abuse against myself and others to avoid any misunderstanding. James Kass PS: Evidence for following facts: 1 - instead of doing paid research, Lukas Pietsch edits Wikipedia, which is contract fraud 2 - Lukas Pietsch misquotes and misrepresents various things for pushing his personal view in Wikipedia is copied ultimately from: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.greek/2009-06/msg00015.html (QUOTE BEGIN) Hello everyone! I believe it was about time I told everyone in the world about myself. My name is Lukas Pietsch and I specialise in English Linguistics. Instead of spending my time conducting research, I edit wikipedia articles all day (sometimes even a hundred of them a day)! I am a wikipedia administrator and I go by the user name Future Perfect at Sunrise. I am very interested in Balkan politics, so I often argue against the use of scholarly sources, misquote other people's work and misrepresent historical facts in order to push my view in wikipedia. That is so cool! I honestly feel that I should never have been born a German as my heart trully lies with the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. I even find myself arguing that the ancient kingdom of Macedonia was never Greek! Here is a link to my facebook account in case you want to check out more: http://www.facebook.com/lukas.pietsch Yours truthfully, Lukas Pietsch PS: Peace out to the suckers funding my research! I bet you had no idea of how I've been using the time you've been paying me for! PPS: I am including links to my university and wikipedia websites: http://freenet-homepage.de/LukasPietsch/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise QUOTE END
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
Sorry I don't understand, what is this in aid of? Sent from my Android phone On Feb 4, 2012 5:52 PM, James Kass jamesk...@att.net wrote: As a side effect of correspondence with Thierry Thomas and Paul Wise I provide evidence of third party non-trustable Wikipedia rumouring abuse against myself and others to avoid any misunderstanding. James Kass PS: Evidence for following facts: 1 - instead of doing paid research, Lukas Pietsch edits Wikipedia, which is contract fraud 2 - Lukas Pietsch misquotes and misrepresents various things for pushing his personal view in Wikipedia is copied ultimately from: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.greek/2009-06/msg00015.html (QUOTE BEGIN) Hello everyone! I believe it was about time I told everyone in the world about myself. My name is Lukas Pietsch and I specialise in English Linguistics. Instead of spending my time conducting research, I edit wikipedia articles all day (sometimes even a hundred of them a day)! I am a wikipedia administrator and I go by the user name Future Perfect at Sunrise. I am very interested in Balkan politics, so I often argue against the use of scholarly sources, misquote other people's work and misrepresent historical facts in order to push my view in wikipedia. That is so cool! I honestly feel that I should never have been born a German as my heart trully lies with the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. I even find myself arguing that the ancient kingdom of Macedonia was never Greek! Here is a link to my facebook account in case you want to check out more: http://www.facebook.com/lukas.pietsch Yours truthfully, Lukas Pietsch PS: Peace out to the suckers funding my research! I bet you had no idea of how I've been using the time you've been paying me for! PPS: I am including links to my university and wikipedia websites: http://freenet-homepage.de/LukasPietsch/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise QUOTE END
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
Sadly, I am insulted, nazified and reviled by this german Lukas Pietsch, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Code2000 And the same happens to your fellow Indians from the same Lukas Pietsch hands: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALogtype=blockuser=Future+Perfect+at+Sunrisepage=year=month=-1tagfilter=hide_review_log=1 http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.greek/2009-06/msg00015.html I displayed this problem, since Thierry Thomas and Paul Wise pointed me some Code2000 related link in Wikipedia. Before that, I was unaware of it. James Kass --- On Sat, 2/4/12, Shriramana Sharma samj...@gmail.com wrote: From: Shriramana Sharma samj...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: James Kass jamesk...@att.net Cc: andrewcw...@gmail.com, unicode@unicode.org unicode@unicode.org Date: Saturday, February 4, 2012, 1:00 PM Sorry I don't understand, what is this in aid of? Sent from my Android phone On Feb 4, 2012 5:52 PM, James Kass jamesk...@att.net wrote: As a side effect of correspondence with Thierry Thomas and Paul Wise I provide evidence of third party non-trustable Wikipedia rumouring abuse against myself and others to avoid any misunderstanding. James Kass PS: Evidence for following facts: 1 - instead of doing paid research, Lukas Pietsch edits Wikipedia, which is contract fraud 2 - Lukas Pietsch misquotes and misrepresents various things for pushing his personal view in Wikipedia is copied ultimately from: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.greek/2009-06/msg00015.html (QUOTE BEGIN) Hello everyone! I believe it was about time I told everyone in the world about myself. My name is Lukas Pietsch and I specialise in English Linguistics. Instead of spending my time conducting research, I edit wikipedia articles all day (sometimes even a hundred of them a day)! I am a wikipedia administrator and I go by the user name Future Perfect at Sunrise. I am very interested in Balkan politics, so I often argue against the use of scholarly sources, misquote other people's work and misrepresent historical facts in order to push my view in wikipedia. That is so cool! I honestly feel that I should never have been born a German as my heart trully lies with the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. I even find myself arguing that the ancient kingdom of Macedonia was never Greek! Here is a link to my facebook account in case you want to check out more: http://www.facebook.com/lukas.pietsch Yours truthfully, Lukas Pietsch PS: Peace out to the suckers funding my research! I bet you had no idea of how I've been using the time you've been paying me for! PPS: I am including links to my university and wikipedia websites: http://freenet-homepage.de/LukasPietsch/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise QUOTE END
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
Of course I put these three Code2nnn fonts on SourceForge, being sick of their further development and whole commercial aura around them. All fonts are now of course freeware - simply do what you want with them all. Check: http://sourceforge.net/projects/code2000/ project, it contains link to http://profile.yahoo.com/EB3ZR2WOVNJUTE7RIHWYAUJNCA/ which is my old ATT jamesk...@att.net profile dating back to about 2002, simply type in google: site:unicode.org jamesk...@att.net to see how vintage is my current-but-old email. My silence was resulted from ATT internal reorganizations which led to vanishing of my websites in due process. I switched from dBASE III to FontCreator to ease development, but not to assembler, as you tried to guess. James Kass --- On 7 November 2011 08:34, anbu_at_peoplestring.com wrote: From: Andrew West andrewcwest_at_gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:21:47 + I have doubts as to whether this project was actually created by James Kass. The project comprises the last public version of code2000.ttf and a 210MB code2000.asm file which turns out to be a dump of the ttf file in human-readable form, both of which could easily have been put onto SourceForge in contravention of copyright and license by someone pretending to be James who wants the font to be open source now that the official Code2000 site has disappeared. James once told me that Code2000 was maintained as a 66 megabyte dBASE III database file which is not what is on SourceForge. Andrew
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
On Friday, February 03, 2012 9:52:26 AM James Kass wrote: All fonts are now of course freeware - simply do what you want with them all. Freeware isn't afaik a legal term. Could you slap some kind of license on them? The CC0 or MIT licenses sound like what you might want: http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
License already included in SourceForge download, namely GPLv3. James Kass --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org wrote: From: Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: unicode@unicode.org Cc: James Kass jamesk...@att.net Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 3:09 PM On Friday, February 03, 2012 9:52:26 AM James Kass wrote: All fonts are now of course freeware - simply do what you want with them all. Freeware isn't afaik a legal term. Could you slap some kind of license on them? The CC0 or MIT licenses sound like what you might want: http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
RE: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
GPL != do what you want with them :) For example what Christoph pointed out. You may want to consider a more permissive license if do what you want is your intent. -Shawn (as myself) From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of James Kass Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:17 AM To: unicode@unicode.org Cc: l...@dashjr.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) License already included in SourceForge download, namely GPLv3. James Kass --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.orgmailto:l...@dashjr.org wrote: From: Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.orgmailto:l...@dashjr.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: unicode@unicode.orgmailto:unicode@unicode.org Cc: James Kass jamesk...@att.netmailto:jamesk...@att.net Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 3:09 PM On Friday, February 03, 2012 9:52:26 AM James Kass wrote: All fonts are now of course freeware - simply do what you want with them all. Freeware isn't afaik a legal term. Could you slap some kind of license on them? The CC0 or MIT licenses sound like what you might want: http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
RE: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
I rather would stick with GPLv3, simply because more permissive license threatens freedom. For example, someone may take over my fonts, develop them further, and subsequently change their license to something commercial-only. It is what I want to avoid. Just something like stories known from MACOS X, initially Berkeley-licensed-software derivative, finally commercialized product. James Kass --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Shawn Steele shawn.ste...@microsoft.com wrote: From: Shawn Steele shawn.ste...@microsoft.com Subject: RE: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: James Kass jamesk...@att.net, unicode@unicode.org unicode@unicode.org Cc: l...@dashjr.org l...@dashjr.org Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 5:04 PM GPL != “do what you want with them” J For example what Christoph pointed out. You may want to consider a more permissive license if “do what you want” is your intent. -Shawn (as myself) From: unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of James Kass Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:17 AM To: unicode@unicode.org Cc: l...@dashjr.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) License already included in SourceForge download, namely GPLv3. James Kass --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org wrote: From: Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: unicode@unicode.org Cc: James Kass jamesk...@att.net Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 3:09 PM On Friday, February 03, 2012 9:52:26 AM James Kass wrote: All fonts are now of course freeware - simply do what you want with them all. Freeware isn't afaik a legal term. Could you slap some kind of license on them? The CC0 or MIT licenses sound like what you might want: http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
RE: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
FWIW there are many other free hosting services than SourceForge... Sent from my Android phone On Feb 3, 2012 10:44 PM, Shawn Steele shawn.ste...@microsoft.com wrote: GPL != “do what you want with them” J For example what Christoph pointed out. You may want to consider a more permissive license if “do what you want” is your intent. ** ** -Shawn (as myself) *From:* unicode-bou...@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bou...@unicode.org] *On Behalf Of *James Kass *Sent:* Friday, February 03, 2012 7:17 AM *To:* unicode@unicode.org *Cc:* l...@dashjr.org *Subject:* Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) ** ** License already included in SourceForge download, namely GPLv3. ** ** James Kass --- On *Fri, 2/3/12, Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org* wrote: From: Luke-Jr l...@dashjr.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: unicode@unicode.org Cc: James Kass jamesk...@att.net Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 3:09 PM On Friday, February 03, 2012 9:52:26 AM James Kass wrote: All fonts are now of course freeware - simply do what you want with them all. Freeware isn't afaik a legal term. Could you slap some kind of license on them? The CC0 or MIT licenses sound like what you might want: http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php ** **
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
James Kass wrote: Of course I put these three Code2nnn fonts on SourceForge, being sick of their further development and whole commercial aura around them. Thanks for your work contributing to Unicode and to the whole community. Antoine
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
I'm very happy that I could contribute my work to Unicode and to the whole community. James Kass --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Antoine Leca antoine10...@leca-marti.org wrote: From: Antoine Leca antoine10...@leca-marti.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: James Kass jamesk...@att.net Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 7:02 PM James Kass wrote: Of course I put these three Code2nnn fonts on SourceForge, being sick of their further development and whole commercial aura around them. Thanks for your work contributing to Unicode and to the whole community. Antoine
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
Code2000 is everywhere. Absolutely everywhere. Many people continue to consider it one of the pre-eminent fonts available with the goal of covering as much of Unicode as possible. Even though I now have a Windows 7 machine, with its greatly enhanced (over XP) font collection, there are still many blocks that are only covered by Code2000 and Code2001. I have no other font for Myanmar, for example, or for Saurashtra or Ol Chiki. I am very grateful for the work James did for as long as he did. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, Colorado, USA http://www.ewellic.org | @DougEwell From: James Kass Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 12:07 To: Antoine Leca Cc: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) I'm very happy that I could contribute my work to Unicode and to the whole community. James Kass --- On Fri, 2/3/12, Antoine Leca antoine10...@leca-marti.org wrote: From: Antoine Leca antoine10...@leca-marti.org Subject: Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android) To: James Kass jamesk...@att.net Cc: unicode@unicode.org Date: Friday, February 3, 2012, 7:02 PM James Kass wrote: Of course I put these three Code2nnn fonts on SourceForge, being sick of their further development and whole commercial aura around them. Thanks for your work contributing to Unicode and to the whole community. Antoine
Re: Code2000 on SourceForge (was Re: [indic] Re: Lack of Complex script rendering support on Android)
We don't know exactly the reasons why James has closed his website or even his support for this font. But if he really was alone he probably did not havethe money to support the site, or the bandwidth used for it (may be he's now in financial troubles, like loss of his job in this hard times). Or may be a receive a DMCA warning and did not have the money to defend his work. That's the risk when you work alone without any profit from your work, despite you wanted to contribute to a much larger community that recognized his work. At some point, he should have realized that, to defend his work, he should have deposited on a serious online repository defended by lots of people and supporters (many choices: GNU Foundation, Mozilla Foundation, Apache Foundation, Ubuntu, and even Sourceforge), where the work would have been saved, while at the same time allowing him to choose helpful contributors to maintain the repository or track the discussions and bug reports, and propose changes and enhancements. We will miss Code2000, Code2001 and Code2002, because free and open-sourced fonts still lack good coverage of lots of scripts with quality fonts, and at least those full-plane fonts could be used as a reasonable fallback to catch all those that were and are still missing. Now we are left with the excellent Everson Mono font, that unfortunately only covers the BMP, but not completely due to technical problems/limitatons in the font editing tools used by Michael. This is also a demonstration that creating large fonts is still a difficult challenge, even for experts. And that we still need a serious revamp of font editing tools that would be maintained and usable by much more people, and based on non-proprietary editable databases for glyph definitions. I just hope that one day, the SVG-font format will be extended to include the script/language and typographic features (notably the substition and positioning rules and lookup tables, at first, then the optional support for hinting instructions and programs, something that will now be less necessary with the growing screen resolution including on small devices), in such a way that fonts will be less monolithic, more easily extensible (thanks to the XML format which is highly interchangeable), and even allowing fast and incremental distribution of glyph definitions and features via very small request to an online font server that will also be able to serve smartphones, without requiring to install fonts that hard difficult to track in their versions and not easily updatable (web distribution allows the management of a font cache directly bounf to the HTTP client cache). We could even have fonts directly manageable in the HTML5 dataset, where they would be preparsed for fast rendering. And it would be time now to promote the SVG font format because it is much more easily updatable, and can forget lots of bad legacies susbisting in the OpenType (or ISO open font) format. I just wonder who is working on enhancing the SVG format to make it equally capable, at least for international support, with OpenType (leaving hinting for later, notably because SVG renderers all have support now for excellent subpixel rendering, transparency, and in a more generic way that is agnostic to the pixel geometries and alternate color spaces that start appearing with more than 3 pigments and subpixels with different relative geometries/surfaces depending on their native pigment, as well as new refinements for those pigments or microoptical lenses correcting the anisotropy of subpixels alignments, or multilayered screen surfaces, and alternative non-orthogonal grids for better isotropy that avoids very undesirable moiré artefacts: all those things that ClearType for example does not cope with, as well as basic OpenType hinting). Basically, I am convinced now that font hinting has little or no future, it just complicates things in trying to solve another more typographical problem (i.e. the humane vision artefacts, which soon will be also personnalisable as well for each user depending on his effective vision and preferences). For the rest, the problem of readable small fonts should be the same as the general problem of rendering textures in photography, and trying to remove the artefacts caused by artificially quantized pixel geometries and colorspaces. 2011/11/7 Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com: On 7 November 2011 08:34, a...@peoplestring.com wrote: Code2000 supports most BMP code points of Unicode 5.2. It is open sourced from September: http://code2000.sourceforge.net/ I have doubts as to whether this project was actually created by James Kass. The project comprises the last public version of code2000.ttf and a 210MB code2000.asm file which turns out to be a dump of the ttf file in human-readable form, both of which could easily have been put onto SourceForge in contravention of copyright and license by someone pretending to be James who wants the font to be open source
