[UC] Youcie is sold out
I am so sad! UCD sent out its news and tomorrow's social at the white dog is sold out. When I got the invitation and realized that Wendell Lewis wanted to buy me a drink, I sent my rsvp immediately. They must have been so swamped that my rsvp fell through the cracks. Poor hardworking UCD. It reminds me of an earlier time. After I published the truth about the Clark Park revitalization, the director, Goldstein, was so busy that he couldn't return my calls over the course of months. He was always having meetings. Tom, tell Wendell that if he is too busy to buy me a drink personally, that he could just send a card and bottle of Scotch to my house. I'll understand, but tell him I like to stick to 25 year old single malt. I certainly hope you stock some good Scotch at the Campus Inn for discriminating aficionados such as us. A grateful youcie, Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Obama needs our uprising
If you saw Bill Moyer’s Journal, a professor reminded viewers about a meeting between LBJ and MLK JR. Johnson asked King to make it possible for him to do the right thing. The President needed a mass movement of the people to demand justice despite the policies of America’s rulers. Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex. By Johnson, a corporatocracy ruled America. The bold contemptuous theft of 350 billion by Paulson and the ruling class, is powerful evidence of how far things have progressed. Classified as a progressive, commy lefty, etc., my views are far away from Obamas centrist policies. But I trust Obama and believe he is very sincere about his values. It would be a terrible mistake for citizens to leave hope solely in the hands of Obama! President Obama needs the people to rise up against Penn and Nutter, and the corporate business and tactics as usual. He doesn’t have a chance in hell of “doing the right things” if we don’t have uprisings in Detroit, Chicago, LA, Phila. etc. and give him the same help as LBJ needed! It is not disloyalty but the patriotism that the President has been calling for and repeated in his inauguration pitch. (Ray was talking about some of this too in his recent exchange with Tony). Let’s act in the 11th hour and give President Obama the uprising that he desperately needs! Here are excerpts of the inauguration speech which make his call to us clearly. Copied from washingtonpost.com: …In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of shortcuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the fainthearted, for those who prefer leisure over work or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things -- some celebrated, but more often men and women obscure in their labor -- who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom… …What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility -- a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character than giving our all to a difficult task. This is the price and the promise of citizenship…. …In the year of America's birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by nine campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people: Let it be told to the future world that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet it. America, in the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words; with hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come; let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested, we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter… You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Urgent: Family planning stripped from stimulus bill
Hi, I just heard that Congress has cut an important family planning provision from the economic stimulus bill. This provision would have extended health care coverage to 2.3 million low-income women while saving state governments money during this difficult time. We need Washington to stand up for family planning, so I contacted the White House to let them know how I feel. Will you join me? Just follow this link: http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/abcjan09_pp_email1?rk=xp_tQB61R0kUW If you do not wish to receive emails sent from your peers on behalf of this organization, please click this link: http://www.ppaction.org/network/opt-out-taf.tcl?friend_email=univcity%40list%2epurple%2ecom You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
Ray, In reaction to that other response your post received, I too am concerned with Penn's involvement with the City's budget crisis, and with what they expect to get out of the city in return for their involvement. Penn is not just some benign entity who is unselfishly lending its expertise to the greater good. Of course that's what they and their apologists want everyone to think: Trust us! This is all for your own good. Ask the folks down on Woodland Terrace whether they trust Penn. Ask those who attended the Philadelphia City Planning and Historical Commission hearings and witnessed those charades. Ask those attendees who witnessed Chris O'Donnell out a new-to-the-neighborhood real estate agent who testified in support of Campus Inn, but who somehow failed to mention that coincidentally he (the agent) got a big condo deal from Penn (not that one had anything to do with the other!!!). Ask the folks from Spruce Hill Civic Association who quit that organization in disgust after the Campus Inn debacle exposed how and for whom that organization actually functions. Trust Penn and in 20 years, 48th and Spruce will look like 38th and Spruce does today. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:43:35 -0500 From: laserb...@speedymail.org To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure Anthony West wrote: Attentive indeed. So let us begin by noting that Penn Praxis has *not* been inserted into Nutter's budget process. The agent in this situation is the University of Pennsylvania Project for Civic Engagement. That there are relationships between the two entities is significant. That there are distinctions between the two entities, however, is also significant. Getting names right is not the end of learning, but it is definitely near the beginning. So why don't we go through that gate first? yes, you wrote: Penn's Harris Sokoloff is the quarterback for UPPCE. He is part of the team that is otherwise mobilized as PennPraxis. and what is significant here is that PENN has been inserted into nutter's budget process. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Letters about SHCA zoning in Review
Neighbors, I also saw last week that SHCA zoning was trying to harass a small unimportant citizen. I didn’t know that the victim’s plan included the on-sight parking, so I wasn’t sure about the needed variances. It looks like this latest unfortunate recipient of SHCA harassment was making a perfectly legitimate request! (If you know Mr. Larsen or Ms. Beal, please forward this information to them.) Nothing about the Campus Inn variances are close to accepted standards, as is widely understood. (Note: Mr. Adelman’s crap in the DP propaganda piece, about majority support among neighbors, is just the crap that is shoveled 24/7 to the U. community) Zoning standards: It is an accepted legitimate request for a variance up to the six stories, if a builder makes adjustments to set backs. (35 feet to 60 feet) Here is an example of the way the anointed target legitimate requests from legitimate small business citizens. As usual no rules apply to SHCA anointed or their corporate Penn cronies. But a hard working small business person wishing to open a restaurant, building, etc, and actually complying with law can be harassed at will! SHCA can punish anyone, even when it is actually their victim who is within the legal requirements! This is why SHCA wanted an HD, a BID, etc. These were all weapons designed to do nothing for the community, while giving extra terror to their ability to harass common citizens who don’t kiss their asses! Politicians who don't immediately and publicly reject future SHCA crap, because of a complete lack of credibility, need to be punished next election. Here are the letters. http://www.ucreview.com/default.asp?sourceid=smenu=105twindow=mad=sdetail=1235wpage=skeyword=sidate=ccat=ccatm=restate=restatus=reoption=retype=repmin=repmax=rebed=rebath=subname=pform=sc=2320hn=ucreviewhe=.com http://www.ucreview.com/default.asp?sourceid=smenu=105twindow=mad=sdetail=1234wpage=skeyword=sidate=ccat=ccatm=restate=restatus=reoption=retype=repmin=repmax=rebed=rebath=subname=pform=sc=2320hn=ucreviewhe=.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
It's reasonable to be skeptical about a Penn-based attempt to facilitate a meeting over a conflict between some of its neighbors and itself. That's not the situation before us in this case. The City budget gap affects all Philadelphians, not just the 3% who live in University City. The budget is to Campus Inn as a watermelon is to a walnut. A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings. The work a Penn team did on the waterfront a year or two ago drew high marks from all the communities involved, and they had plenty of hot issues. Penn doesn't have to ignore its own good while acting for the good of others. All of us do the same thing; it's called making a living. For anyone who is concerned about Penn's involvement with the ... budget crisis, and what they expect to get ... in return, the obvious first step is to ask the Project for Civic Engagement, whose director is Dr. Harris Sokoloff. Its website is www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/. While Penn could be giving it away, most academic projects are done for contracts -- and lots of government contracts -- in which money changes hands. That's what they get in return. Also they get a good reputation, which helps them somewhere down the line, they hope. Plus, it's possible some people at Penn, like some people on this list, see their city in a real bind and wish to pitch in something useful toward that problem. Will its public meetings accomplish anything in the end? That seems like a more reasonable suspicion. Wharton has been flinging buckets of high-financial brains into Wall Street for a generation, and look where that's gotten us. On the other hand, nobody else knows what to do either. So excluding Penn from any role in its city's fate seems odd, to say the least. -- Tony West KAREN ALLEN wrote: Ray, In reaction to that other response your post received, I too am concerned with Penn's involvement with the City's budget crisis, and with what they expect to get out of the city in return for their involvement. Penn is not just some benign entity who is unselfishly lending its expertise to the greater good. Of course that's what they and their apologists want everyone to think: Trust us! This is all for your own good. Ask the folks down on Woodland Terrace whether they trust Penn. Ask those who attended the Philadelphia City Planning and Historical Commission hearings and witnessed those charades. Ask those attendees who witnessed Chris O'Donnell out a new-to-the-neighborhood real estate agent who testified in support of Campus Inn, but who somehow failed to mention that coincidentally he (the agent) got a big condo deal from Penn (not that one had anything to do with the other!!!). Ask the folks from Spruce Hill Civic Association who quit that organization in disgust after the Campus Inn debacle exposed how and for whom that organization actually functions. Trust Penn and in 20 years, 48th and Spruce will look like 38th and Spruce does today. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
“A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings.” Tony, these people on the un-moderated list sure know how to fling it. You were so ivy league to point to these deep core concepts published transparently by the Penn intellectuals on their web site. How could anyone doubt this brilliant civic engagement literature: Metaphors of community http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofcommunity#metaphorsofcommunity Metaphors of engagement http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofengagement#metaphorsofengagement Key concepts for engaging people http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#keyfactors#keyfactors Naming and framing problems http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#namingandframingproblems#namingandframingproblems Civic deliberation and civic capacity http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#civicdeliberation#civicdeliberation -Original Message- From: Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net Sent: Jan 28, 2009 8:48 PM To: UnivCity Listserv univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure It's reasonable to be skeptical about a Penn-based attempt to facilitate a meeting over a conflict between some of its neighbors and itself. That's not the situation before us in this case. The City budget gap affects all Philadelphians, not just the 3% who live in University City. The budget is to Campus Inn as a watermelon is to a walnut. A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings. The work a Penn team did on the waterfront a year or two ago drew high marks from all the communities involved, and they had plenty of hot issues. Penn doesn't have to ignore its own good while acting for the good of others. All of us do the same thing; it's called making a living. For anyone who is concerned about Penn's involvement with the ... budget crisis, and what they expect to get ... in return, the obvious first step is to ask the Project for Civic Engagement, whose director is Dr. Harris Sokoloff. Its website is www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/. While Penn could be giving it away, most academic projects are done for contracts -- and lots of government contracts -- in which money changes hands. That's what they get in return. Also they get a good reputation, which helps them somewhere down the line, they hope. Plus, it's possible some people at Penn, like some people on this list, see their city in a real bind and wish to pitch in something useful toward that problem. Will its public meetings accomplish anything in the end? That seems like a more reasonable suspicion. Wharton has been flinging buckets of high-financial brains into Wall Street for a generation, and look where that's gotten us. On the other hand, nobody else knows what to do either. So excluding Penn from any role in its city's fate seems odd, to say the least. -- Tony West KAREN ALLEN wrote: Ray, In reaction to that other response your post received, I too am concerned with Penn's involvement with the City's budget crisis, and with what they expect to get out of the city in return for their involvement. Penn is not just some benign entity who is unselfishly lending its expertise to the greater good. Of course that's what they and their apologists want everyone to think: Trust us! This is all for your own good. Ask the folks down on Woodland Terrace whether they trust Penn. Ask those who attended the Philadelphia City Planning and Historical Commission hearings and witnessed those charades. Ask those attendees who witnessed Chris O'Donnell out a new-to-the-neighborhood real estate agent who testified in support of Campus Inn, but who somehow failed to mention that coincidentally he (the agent) got a big condo deal from Penn (not that one had anything to do with the other!!!). Ask the folks from Spruce Hill Civic Association who quit that organization in disgust after the Campus Inn debacle exposed how and for whom that organization actually functions. Trust Penn and in 20 years, 48th and Spruce will look like 38th and Spruce does today. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
Pretty funny, Glenn! Now can you direct us to your company website, please? How well-kept is it? How self-revealing is it? What I do when I want to learn something, and I don't get it over the web, is I then call the person on the telephone and ask them questions, if I care enough. -- Tony West “A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings.” Tony, these people on the un-moderated list sure know how to fling it. You were so ivy league to point to these deep core concepts published transparently by the Penn intellectuals on their web site. How could anyone doubt this brilliant civic engagement literature: Metaphors of community http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofcommunity#metaphorsofcommunity Metaphors of engagement http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofengagement#metaphorsofengagement Key concepts for engaging people http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#keyfactors#keyfactors Naming and framing problems http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#namingandframingproblems#namingandframingproblems Civic deliberation and civic capacity http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#civicdeliberation#civicdeliberation You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
What I do when I want to learn something, and I don't get it over the web, is I then call the person on the telephone and ask them questions, if I care enough. Neighbors, I worked with some people from GSE when I was doing adult literacy work. I thought highly of them. I couldn't understand how GSE professionals could be involved with this national policy model (from the DP). Wouldn't they be ashamed of promoting a PR, spin, bullshit, whatever, web site when they are at the center of a serious issue in a city of 1.5 million? I decided to figure out what degree programs were involved and look at the curriculum, publications, etc. Low and behold, the Project for civic engagement jumps out of nowhere! There is no program that it appears to fit into at GSE. The GSE, like I always assumed, has serious programs in many areas around the field of education. Didn't it seem very odd that a serious university program would have its core concepts missing from such a serious project? If the Praxis outfit deviated seriously from a serious program, people could read the core concepts and compare them to the Praxis performance. But hey, no program, no literature, no core concepts; no way to evaluate it, and tell the difference between a serious academic discipline and a workshop in pool hustling! When you read that stuff on the project site that awes Tony, the UCD guy; it's clear that these Praxis clowns aren't as sharp as they are sneaky. This is deep, but not funny as Mr. West believes. Glenn -Original Message- From: Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net Sent: Jan 28, 2009 9:44 PM To: UnivCity Listserv univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure Pretty funny, Glenn! Now can you direct us to your company website, please? How well-kept is it? How self-revealing is it? What I do when I want to learn something, and I don't get it over the web, is I then call the person on the telephone and ask them questions, if I care enough. -- Tony West “A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings.” Tony, these people on the un-moderated list sure know how to fling it. You were so ivy league to point to these deep core concepts published transparently by the Penn intellectuals on their web site. How could anyone doubt this brilliant civic engagement literature: Metaphors of community http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofcommunity#metaphorsofcommunity Metaphors of engagement http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofengagement#metaphorsofengagement Key concepts for engaging people http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#keyfactors#keyfactors Naming and framing problems http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#namingandframingproblems#namingandframingproblems Civic deliberation and civic capacity http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#civicdeliberation#civicdeliberation You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
What? What are you talking about, Glenn? I can't make sense of any of this. We're simply asking where the website for Glenn Moyer Real Estate, Inc., is, so we may compare its skill to that of the Project for Civic Engagement's website. How can we best learn more about your business activities on line? -- Tony West Neighbors, I worked with some people from GSE when I was doing adult literacy work. I thought highly of them. I couldn't understand how GSE professionals could be involved with this national policy model (from the DP). Wouldn't they be ashamed of promoting a PR, spin, bullshit, whatever, web site when they are at the center of a serious issue in a city of 1.5 million? I decided to figure out what degree programs were involved and look at the curriculum, publications, etc. Low and behold, the Project for civic engagement jumps out of nowhere! There is no program that it appears to fit into at GSE. The GSE, like I always assumed, has serious programs in many areas around the field of education. Didn't it seem very odd that a serious university program would have its core concepts missing from such a serious project? If the Praxis outfit deviated seriously from a serious program, people could read the core concepts and compare them to the Praxis performance. But hey, no program, no literature, no core concepts; no way to evaluate it, and tell the difference between a serious academic discipline and a workshop in pool hustling! When you read that stuff on the project site that awes Tony, the UCD guy; it's clear that these Praxis clowns aren't as sharp as they are sneaky. This is deep, but not funny as Mr. West believes. Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
As Elmer Fudd used to say, Vewwy intewesting. If you go to this page, you will find all the links that Glenn cites below: http://www.gse.upenn.edu/node/416 If you then simply scroll down the page, instead of using the links, you will then find the actual sections of text to which the links are supposed to connect. Yes, they're all on that very same web page. In fact, the first section -- Metaphors of Community -- is partially visible as soon as you view the page, if you're using a large enough monitor. Those links are clearly intended to simply scroll the page in an automated fashion, as are the Back To Top links below each section. Unfortunately, whoever designed the page didn't do enough testing. (There are several other web-design errors there as well, but that's not relevant to this discussion.) But if your goal is to see and discuss what PPCE describes as its Core Concepts, don't get distracted by the bad links.. Just use your scroll bar instead and read 'em for yourself. On Jan 28, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Glenn moyer wrote: “A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings.” Tony, these people on the un-moderated list sure know how to fling it. You were so ivy league to point to these deep core concepts published transparently by the Penn intellectuals on their web site. How could anyone doubt this brilliant civic engagement literature: Metaphors of community http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/ coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofcommunity#metaphorsofcommunity Metaphors of engagement http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/ coreconcepts.php#metaphorsofengagement#metaphorsofengagement Key concepts for engaging people http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#keyfactors#keyfactors Naming and framing problems http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/coreconcepts.php#namingandframingproblems #namingandframingproblems Civic deliberation and civic capacity http://www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/ coreconcepts.php#civicdeliberation#civicdeliberation -Original Message- From: Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net Sent: Jan 28, 2009 8:48 PM To: UnivCity Listserv univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure It's reasonable to be skeptical about a Penn-based attempt to facilitate a meeting over a conflict between some of its neighbors and itself. That's not the situation before us in this case. The City budget gap affects all Philadelphians, not just the 3% who live in University City. The budget is to Campus Inn as a watermelon is to a walnut. A Penn entity makes just as much sense to the average Joe as anybody else's entity, to organize large-scale, productive meetings. The work a Penn team did on the waterfront a year or two ago drew high marks from all the communities involved, and they had plenty of hot issues. Penn doesn't have to ignore its own good while acting for the good of others. All of us do the same thing; it's called making a living. For anyone who is concerned about Penn's involvement with the ... budget crisis, and what they expect to get ... in return, the obvious first step is to ask the Project for Civic Engagement, whose director is Dr. Harris Sokoloff. Its website is www.gse.upenn.edu/ppce/. While Penn could be giving it away, most academic projects are done for contracts -- and lots of government contracts -- in which money changes hands. That's what they get in return. Also they get a good reputation, which helps them somewhere down the line, they hope. Plus, it's possible some people at Penn, like some people on this list, see their city in a real bind and wish to pitch in something useful toward that problem. Will its public meetings accomplish anything in the end? That seems like a more reasonable suspicion. Wharton has been flinging buckets of high-financial brains into Wall Street for a generation, and look where that's gotten us. On the other hand, nobody else knows what to do either. So excluding Penn from any role in its city's fate seems odd, to say the least. -- Tony West KAREN ALLEN wrote: Ray, In reaction to that other response your post received, I too am concerned with Penn's involvement with the City's budget crisis, and with what they expect to get out of the city in return for their involvement. Penn is not just some benign entity who is unselfishly lending its expertise to the greater good. Of course that's what they and their apologists want everyone to think: Trust us! This is all for your own good. Ask the folks down on Woodland Terrace whether they trust Penn. Ask those who attended the Philadelphia City Planning and Historical Commission hearings and witnessed those charades. Ask those attendees who witnessed Chris O'Donnell out a new-to-the-neighborhood real estate agent who testified in support of Campus Inn, but who somehow failed to mention that
Re: [UC] Libraries and tactics that are doomed to failure
Anthony West wrote: What does it prove, that Nutter hired a Penn arm rather than a Temple arm or a Loyola arm to grease a political adjustment? That Penn is the largest private-sector employer in the city? That it is growing and flourishing, and appears to be on top of its industry's game? That it's a logical source for a strapped municipality to seek assistance from? That maybe a superior knowledge industry might generate knowledge that is applicable to the City's budget meltdown? Precisely what is wrong about Penn's contributing to solving the budget woes of its home city? Should it refuse to do so, in your opinion? the problem here, in short, is that nutter's trying to use proprietary software to run an open source operating system. (aye. 18th century principles in 21st century language. the founding fathers were indeed wise beyond their years.) .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
