[UC] Blue cross changes to junk insurance
I just got a letter from Blue Cross. They are ending their Personal Choice Plan and converting to junk insurance by the end of Feb. The death panels swing into action fast! Those of us who pay for our own insurance will be the first to be attacked. These organized crime companies all act together because they are shielded from anti-trust; your horrifying letters will be coming soon. Of course, this demolition of benefits does not have premium reductions. With a new mandatory $5000 deductible, this will eliminate all preventive screening and will translate into many new deaths among those insured previously. (They now list a separate company to handle medical savings accounts.) Because the data is hidden by insurance companies, we do not know the actual number of deaths among the under-insured like the 45,000 uninsured deaths per year. I believe the mortality rates of those with junk insurance exceeds the death rate of the uninsured. (I believe the working poor fail to get important screenings at higher rates than the uninsured.) I and many others will be put at new risk for medical bankruptcy with the reductions in percentages covered. I assume forcing people into a new wave of shopping for new insurance among the hyena companies will be part of a method to circumvent any new rules on pre-existing conditions. (These death panels also add a managed care model to deny coverage to out of network facilities. If something happens when you are away from home, they will only cover up to 50% after the fact). The betrayal by the corporate democrats and their grand charade has thrown a new cohort of Americans into risks for bankruptcy and death! The death companies rationing of care, in favor of profits, is the opposite to best medical practices. Those visits under $5000 are the very doctor visits that prevent serious and chronic disease! When once preventable illnesses of the bankrupted are dumped on the government the costs will be astronomical. All insurance companies are known to use punishment tactics. This will be blamed on the American peoples' desire for reform. But they have denied us reform and created a health insurance bailout. We are going to be told by cable news that we are being punished for the very desire for health care reform Totally fucked small business person, Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Democrats big lie on filibuster
Citizens, This filibuster game in the senate came from the health insurance lobby which controls both parties! If the Republicans shut down the government by refusing a genuine policy debate, who would be defeated in the next elections Why do the democrats all of a sudden need immediate success with a super majority or face destruction??? It's a big huge lie! Single payer health care is supported by the majority of Americans who voted for the democrats. A robust public option or medicare buy in, is supported by an overwhelming majority of the people. Think about this lie about bipartisanship and polarization of America! This dance on cable news around the need for a super majority allows both corporate wings to appeal to their party base winning!! This charade is meant to manipulate and polarize the people into these Republican or Democrat camps, while the insurance companies get a big windfall as they tighten the death vice! Give these fucking democrat leaders one message! The super majority is a big lie and the people will realize that it is corporate business as usual. Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Blue cross changes to junk insurance
In a message dated 12/22/2009 9:14:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glen...@earthlink.net writes: I just got a letter from Blue Cross. They are ending their Personal Choice Plan and converting to junk insurance by the end of Feb. Being an old coot, I'm on Medicare (which increased the amount they withhold from my social security payment, but not by too much). I was on Blue Cross' Keystone 65 -- a so-called Medicare Advantage Plan. Some years they charged me $30 per month for this, some it was $15 per month, some it was free ... go figure! Anyway, this year they discontinued it and instead offered something much more expensive (on top of what's already deducted from Social Security). I looked around and decided to switch to an Aetna Medicare Advantage. Also free as long as I was willing to fork over a little more in co-payments. Anyway, Aetna looked pretty good all around, so I'd suggest you look at their website and see if they have something that's reasonable for self-employed young whippersnappers, too. Alan Krigman KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc 211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502 krf...@aol.com or _al.krig...@krf.icodat.com_ (mailto:al.krig...@krf.icodat.com) PS: I am not employed by, nor receive any commissions from, Aetna. And I won't be starting with them until 1/1/10 so, for all I know, they may be very tight with their referrals when something come up that's beyond my primary care physician (who, incidentally, is the same person I had with Keystone 65).
[UC] Purpose of this list?
Hi, I have recently joined this list to get information about University City and concerns about living here. However it seems to be being used as a platform for individuals personal political beliefs and prejudices. I am confused. Is this really the purpose of this list? Georgia
[UC] Snitching
A friend of mine in the neighborhood will be testifying in DC about the snitching phenomenon. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20091221_Daniel_Rubin__A_peculiar_aversion_to_helping_the_police.html Frank You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Purpose of this list?
It's a platform for some, informational for others. In that way it reflects the neighborhood and its residents. This area has traditionally been a little crunchy, so some political observations are to be expected, I think. As on any mailing list, users eventually learn who they enjoy reading and who to ignore. Frank On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:01 AM, georgia...@aol.com wrote: Hi, I have recently joined this list to get information about University City and concerns about living here. However it seems to be being used as a platform for individuals personal political beliefs and prejudices. I am confused. Is this really the purpose of this list? Georgia
RE: [UC] Purpose of this list?
Whatever purpose this listserv originally had, it has transitioned into being University City's version of Hyde Park Speaker's Corner, where anyone can climb atop a soapbox and speak his or her mind; a neighborhood sounding board, for good or for ill. I admit that this listserv can be tough sometimes, but that reflects the different personalities who live in the neighborhood, and the various issues that have arisen. Since I became a member in 2004, this list has communicated about national topics such as: terrorism, the war in Iraq/Afganistan, Bush, Obama, the 2004 and 2008 elections; local issues like: crime alerts, lost pets, job opportunities, public schools, zoning, property taxes, local history; contentious issues like community association politics, the role of the University of Penn in this community, and its efforts to advance often unpopular taxation and development issues; and cultural issues like theaters, new restaurants, etc. And yes, it also communicates the political opinions of community members. I have a number of sources of information that I read or watch every day for national, political and regional news. For neighborhood news, I read this and other listservs as regularly as I watch MSNBC and Channel 10, or read Newsweek, the Daily News or Philadelphia Weekly. From: georgia...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:01:45 -0500 Subject: [UC] Purpose of this list? To: univcity@list.purple.com Hi, I have recently joined this list to get information about University City and concerns about living here. However it seems to be being used as a platform for individuals personal political beliefs and prejudices. I am confused. Is this really the purpose of this list? Georgia
Re: [UC] Blue cross changes to junk insurance
Hi all This insurance mess just keeps getting worse and worse. Kind of like the bill passed to help consumers with credit cards and limitations that could be put on interest rates, etc. Well they gave the CC companies how long before it kicks in? and in the meantime most people with CC are getting letters announcing that their interest rates are jumping anywhere from 5% to 20% above what they were. Now the insurance companies are doing the scramble to make sure they get every penny they can squeeze out of us. The healthcare reform as it stands right now I don't believe is going to help any of us, whether you're self-employed, a small (especially) business owner, employees (I know one person who's rate is going up about 25% in January), the disabled and retired. We are all going to lose under this reform, just like the last administration's medicare reform hurt so many. High beginning of the year deductibles, the lovely donut hole, doctors opting to not take on new medicare patients or even stop accepting medicare because of the already low reimbursement - which promises to become even lower under the new reform, same with hospitals. Not that insurance companies do a great job of reimbursement. I think that's why doctors and hospitals charge so much. They are kind of overcharging in hopes of getting something reasonable to allow them to continue to stay in practice. I can't believe BC is discontinuing the Personal Choice for you! That's already, if not cadillac, then pretty darn close and the premiums on that are really high. I have Keystone 65 HMO (and medicare, got to have to part B to get supplemental or advantage plans). My HMO is going up in January along with all co-pays and deductibles. I had Aetna (medicare HMO) and was not really happy with them. YMMV! Of course at this point I'm not sure many of us are happy with our insurance and having the insurance company, not you and your doctor, decide what's going to be covered or allowed. Went through fighting them over seeing a Cardiologist and having needed tests done. Glen, I hope you can find some sort of affordable, without deductibles through the roof insurance. Wendy On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:07 AM, krf...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/22/2009 9:14:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glen...@earthlink.net writes: I just got a letter from Blue Cross. They are ending their Personal Choice Plan and converting to junk insurance by the end of Feb. Being an old coot, I'm on Medicare (which increased the amount they withhold from my social security payment, but not by too much). I was on Blue Cross' Keystone 65 -- a so-called Medicare Advantage Plan. Some years they charged me $30 per month for this, some it was $15 per month, some it was free ... go figure! Anyway, this year they discontinued it and instead offered something much more expensive (on top of what's already deducted from Social Security). I looked around and decided to switch to an Aetna Medicare Advantage. Also free as long as I was willing to fork over a little more in co-payments. Anyway, Aetna looked pretty good all around, so I'd suggest you look at their website and see if they have something that's reasonable for self-employed young whippersnappers, too. Alan Krigman KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts Inc 211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6502 krf...@aol.com or al.krig...@krf.icodat.com PS: I am not employed by, nor receive any commissions from, Aetna. And I won't be starting with them until 1/1/10 so, for all I know, they may be very tight with their referrals when something come up that's beyond my primary care physician (who, incidentally, is the same person I had with Keystone 65).
Re: [UC] Purpose of this list?
Hi Georgia! Nice to meet you :) Um, this listserve is many things to many people. As Karen eloquently put it, it can be a soapbox, it can be silly, it can be frustrating, it can denigrate into personal attacks - yeah, it's happened more than once. But it also does serve a purpose in people living in this area getting to know things that are going on. If there's a rash of robberies, or potential scam artists (the security alarm thing where people were going door to door)), car break-ins, car and property damage, lost and found pets, general neighborhood announcements, all kinds of things. So just hang in there! You'll learn who you want to read and who you don't; what you want to read and what you don't and just use the Delete button as needed. Otherwise, hope you find the list helpful, informative and at least sometimes fun. Wendy On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Karen Allen kallena...@msn.com wrote: Whatever purpose this listserv originally had, it has transitioned into being University City's version of Hyde Park Speaker's Corner, where anyone can climb atop a soapbox and speak his or her mind; a neighborhood sounding board, for good or for ill. I admit that this listserv can be tough sometimes, but that reflects the different personalities who live in the neighborhood, and the various issues that have arisen. Since I became a member in 2004, this list has communicated about national topics such as: terrorism, the war in Iraq/Afganistan, Bush, Obama, the 2004 and 2008 elections; local issues like: crime alerts, lost pets, job opportunities, public schools, zoning, property taxes, local history; contentious issues like community association politics, the role of the University of Penn in this community, and its efforts to advance often unpopular taxation and development issues; and cultural issues like theaters, new restaurants, etc. And yes, it also communicates the political opinions of community members. I have a number of sources of information that I read or watch every day for national, political and regional news. For neighborhood news, I read this and other listservs as regularly as I watch MSNBC and Channel 10, or read Newsweek, the Daily News or Philadelphia Weekly. -- From: georgia...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:01:45 -0500 Subject: [UC] Purpose of this list? To: univcity@list.purple.com Hi, I have recently joined this list to get information about University City and concerns about living here. However it seems to be being used as a platform for individuals personal political beliefs and prejudices. I am confused. Is this really the purpose of this list? Georgia
Re: [UC] Purpose of this list?
Dear Georgia, Welcome to the University City Listserv, which came from the Spruce Hill Listserv. We accept anyone and everyone who is a member of this community and listen to and tolerate all opinions which is the hallmark of a diverse, educated urban community. Diverse opinions, neighborhood announcements, community issues and all types of political discourse with regard to the creation of our portion of West Philadelphia, now known as University City, in addition to everything else Karen stated so eloquently. All opinions, announcements, discussions and news are welcome here. One might read discussions that might rankle one¹s version of this community or even be completely diametrically opposed to one¹s vision of this community. No matter. We discuss anything and everything germane to this community past, present and future. We are one of the few communities in this city who has done this and still continues to do so and we are proud of this. Regards, Wilma de Soto On 12/22/09 12:21 PM, Karen Allen kallena...@msn.com wrote: Whatever purpose this listserv originally had, it has transitioned into being University City's version of Hyde Park Speaker's Corner, where anyone can climb atop a soapbox and speak his or her mind; a neighborhood sounding board, for good or for ill. I admit that this listserv can be tough sometimes, but that reflects the different personalities who live in the neighborhood, and the various issues that have arisen. Since I became a member in 2004, this list has communicated about national topics such as: terrorism, the war in Iraq/Afganistan, Bush, Obama, the 2004 and 2008 elections; local issues like: crime alerts, lost pets, job opportunities, public schools, zoning, property taxes, local history; contentious issues like community association politics, the role of the University of Penn in this community, and its efforts to advance often unpopular taxation and development issues; and cultural issues like theaters, new restaurants, etc. And yes, it also communicates the political opinions of community members. I have a number of sources of information that I read or watch every day for national, political and regional news. For neighborhood news, I read this and other listservs as regularly as I watch MSNBC and Channel 10, or read Newsweek, the Daily News or Philadelphia Weekly. From: georgia...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:01:45 -0500 Subject: [UC] Purpose of this list? To: univcity@list.purple.com Hi, I have recently joined this list to get information about University City and concerns about living here. However it seems to be being used as a platform for individuals personal political beliefs and prejudices. I am confused. Is this really the purpose of this list? Georgia
Re: [UC] Purpose of this list?
Hi Georgia, Most of the neighborhood discussions you are looking for are found on UCNeighbors (ucneighb...@lists.asc.upenn.edu). That list was founded a few years ago to avoid unending and undisciplined rants about political views, especially when they turn into personal denunciations of individual neighbors. Since UC-list is unmoderated, it has no mechanism to screen out deranged or trouble-making posts; this is a fact its readers must get used to -- or unsubscribe from. For amiable interactions about neighborhood shops, services and events; cheerful banter; and even deeper discussions about current events as they affect our neighborhood -- most neighbors are now more comfortable opening such subjects on UCNeighbors. That's because it is moderated by a well-known and respected neighbor, Kyle Cassidy, who personally guarantees to filter content lightly if needed, to keep discussions civil. It has never, in fact, been needed, I believe. But it's the difference between a bar with a bouncer (or at least a phone you can call 911 from) and a bar without either. Over time, you tend to get a different traffic at the two establishments. Hundreds of people subscribe to both lists. But UCNeighbors appears to be stronger and more neighborly, in the sense I think you intend, now. -- Tony West Hi, I have recently joined this list to get information about University City and concerns about living here. However it seems to be being used as a platform for individuals personal political beliefs and prejudices. I am confused. Is this really the purpose of this list? Georgia
Re: [UC] Purpose of this list?
-Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto wil.p...@verizon.net To: Karen Allen kallena...@msn.com; UnivCity listserv univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Purpose of this list? Dear Georgia, Welcome to the University City Listserv, which came from the Spruce Hill Listserv. We accept anyone and everyone who is a member of this community and listen to and tolerate all opinions __ Ahemmm, Wilma, What happened to Sam after he had tea with you at the GreenLine? A Chilean disappearance come North? Or, when Krigman invites a recalcitrant to meet him behind Lil Nell at 2:00 AM to experience UC as a living learning lab or is it MIT bench-work? And, it is a place where you may be playfully -politically incorrect. Feliz Navidad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMtuVP8Mj4o And may the blessings of this Christmas be with you throughout the New Year! Ciao, Craig
Re: [UC] Purpose of this list?
If you speak of Sam Nicolary, actually we had coffee together and a VERY good time and talk together. We kept our promise and he¹s cool with me in as far as I know. What Andy Diller may have done Sam to him after that, I cannot say. ³Sam, wherever you are I hope Andy has done right by you.² As for Krigman, Lord only knows. Craig, YOU of ALL people know I am ANYTHING but playfully politically correct, as I have no reason to be. Political correctness was never an invention or contrivance of people like me contrary to mainstream perception. Rather by those who are uncomfortable in the presence of people like me. I cannot help it if they have been impaled upon their own sword and wish to blame me for it.;) Craig, I wish you and yours a Happy Christmas and a Healthy and Prosperous New Year! Fondest regards, Wilma On 12/22/09 7:01 PM, craigso...@aol.com craigso...@aol.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Wilma de Soto wil.p...@verizon.net To: Karen Allen kallena...@msn.com; UnivCity listserv univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2009 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Purpose of this list? Dear Georgia, Welcome to the University City Listserv, which came from the Spruce Hill Listserv. We accept anyone and everyone who is a member of this community and listen to and tolerate all opinions __ Ahemmm, Wilma, What happened to Sam after he had tea with you at the GreenLine? A Chilean disappearance come North? Or, when Krigman invites a recalcitrant to meet him behind Lil Nell at 2:00 AM to experience UC as a living learning lab or is it MIT bench-work? And, it is a place where you may be playfully -politically incorrect. Feliz Navidad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMtuVP8Mj4o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMtuVP8Mj4o And may the blessings of this Christmas be with you throughout the New Year! Ciao, Craig
[UC] found: hats,gloves,scarves in Clark Park
from craigslist: (don't respond to me; respond to the email below) -L Found winter hats, gloves, scarves in Clark Park (Clark Park, West Philly) Date: 2009-12-22, 5:09PM EST Reply to: comm-wga6n-1521681...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] hey, my friend and i picked up a whole bunch of winter stuff left in the dog bowl at clark park. if you're missing anything, e-mail me.
[UC] re: Purpose of this listserve
Wow! I guess, like everything else, it all depends on who is doing the talking. I am touched by the friendliness and the concern many people have shown, and I will take their advice about learning who to listen to, and who, not...just as in all of life. Silly me, not to have understood that in the first place. I will also check into the alternate listserve. (as some people have suggested)..one just can't get too much information about the world in which one lives. Thank you to everyone who responded. What an amazing neighborhood this is to live in! Georgia
[UC-Announce] Christmas Eve Midnight Mass
Hi, All, Don't forget to include in your busy schedule this time of year a visit to St. Francis de Sales Church, 47th and Springfield Ave., at 11 pm on Christmas Eve for a concert of Christmas music with choir and brass, leading up to Midnight Mass (also with choir, organ and brass). It will be a moving and memorable experience. All are invited, regardless of faith tradition. Merry Christmas! Fran You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity-Announce. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You may post announcements to this list, but this list attempts to prevent discussion. Please use univcity to discuss messages on this list. Subscribers of univcity receive all mail to this list.
