[UC] Penn study, access to health care, links

2011-06-16 Thread Glenn
This disparity is about to get much worse, as medicaid is eviscerated 
state by state.  Health care is a human right and not a commodity.  
Compliance is always blamed against the victims, even though similar 
barriers to treatments continue throughout a poor person's medical 
care.  How can children pull themselves up by the bootstraps and stop 
being lazy?


 Join the people of the world and demand a single payer health system!

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110616_Penn_study_finds_doctors_delaying_or_rejecting_specialty_care_for_publicly_insured_children.html?c=0.7231918639284972posted=yviewAll=y#comments


The New England Journal of Medicine (full text)

http://www.nejm.org/

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Re: [UC] Fwd: arrested for observing police

2011-06-16 Thread Krfapt


In a message dated 6/15/2011 10:56:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
l...@verizon.net writes:

Alexine  Fleck, an English Literature professor at PCC and volunteer at a 
women's drug  treatment program in North Philly who lives on Larchwood posted 
an account  today in her blog about being arrested for attempting to 
observe while police  accosted a suspected drug user in front of her house. It 
concerns me that  watching the police is being treated as a crime -- I'd like 
to think that  they're helpful and approachable. I seem to recall reading 
here that UCD had a  police liaison, is this the case? Anyway --
Alexine Fleck might have been right in some moral or theoretical sense.  
But she was asking for the trouble she got by interfering with the police  
officer.
 
She should have backed off when he (or she) asked her to do so. And if she  
thought the cop acted improperly, she should have called the Precinct 
Captain  and reported the incident. She wouldn't have to have known the badge 
number. The  vehicles are all numbered and the cops know who was in which car 
and when.



You read it  here, first, on the ever-popular Popu-List



Courtesy of Al  Krigman

[UC] Do you know this tuxedo cat? - Melville, btw Spruce Locust

2011-06-16 Thread Linda Lee

from westphillylocal.com

Black and white tuxedo cat found
15 June 2011
A neighbor, who lives on Melville between Spruce and Locust, emailed  
us with this information:
There is a black and white tuxedo cat that is on my roof. It is hiding  
under my deck and on the roof next door. He seems scared but doesn’t  
come across as feral. I am wondering if someone lost him. Details:

Black and White Tuxedo
White Nose
Yellow/Green Eyes
I live on Melville between Spruce and Locust. I imagine he climbed out  
of someone’s window on Melville, got here and now can’t get down.
If you lost a cat that looks like the one described above, please  
email:  thecareta...@gmail.com

Re: [UC] Fwd: arrested for observing police

2011-06-16 Thread Mario Giorno
Al or l...@verizon.net,

  Could one or both of you elaborate on the verbs observe vs. interfere.
Observing and interfering are two different activities. Does anyone else on
the list have any more information about Alexine's arrest?


Mario Giorno

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:20 AM, krf...@aol.com wrote:

 **


 In a message dated 6/15/2011 10:56:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 l...@verizon.net writes:

 Alexine Fleck, an English Literature professor at PCC and volunteer at a
 women's drug treatment program in North Philly who lives on Larchwood posted
 an account today in her blog about being arrested for attempting to observe
 while police accosted a suspected drug user in front of her house. It
 concerns me that watching the police is being treated as a crime -- I'd like
 to think that they're helpful and approachable. I seem to recall reading
 here that UCD had a police liaison, is this the case? Anyway --

 Alexine Fleck might have been right in some moral or theoretical sense.
 But she was asking for the trouble she got by interfering with the police
 officer.

 She should have backed off when he (or she) asked her to do so. And if she
 thought the cop acted improperly, she should have called the Precinct
 Captain and reported the incident. She wouldn't have to have known the badge
 number. The vehicles are all numbered and the cops know who was in which car
 and when.



 You read it here, first, on the ever-popular *Popu-List*

 Courtesy of Al Krigman




-- 
Mario Giorno
PO Box 30932
Philadelphia, PA 19104
westphi...@gmail.com


Re: [UC] Fwd: arrested for observing police

2011-06-16 Thread Krfapt
In a message dated 6/16/2011  8:43:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
westphi...@gmail.com writes:
 

Al or  _lml3@verizon.net_ (mailto:l...@verizon.net) ,

Could one or both of you elaborate on the verbs observe vs. interfere.  
Observing and interfering are two different activities. Does anyone else on  
the list have any more information about Alexine's arrest?

Mario  Giorno
Good point... but, under circumstances like these, if the cop asks her to  
back off because -- in her own account -- He said I  was putting him in 
danger, she was interfering and  should have complied. Her self-righteous 
indignation got in the way of  common sense.
 
The cops may, indeed, have been wrong. Not for me to judge. Nor for her,  
at the moment in question.

-




Alan Krigman
KRF Management, ICON/Information Concepts  Inc
211 S 45th St, Philadelphia PA 19104-2918
215-349-6500, fax  215-349-6502
krf...@aol.com or  al.krig...@krf.icodat.com

Re: [UC] Fwd: arrested for observing police

2011-06-16 Thread Glenn

Mr. Giorno and Al,

I worked with Ms. Fleck professionally in the past.   I'm glad she is 
safe and publicly reported on this dimension of the war on drugs!  Yes, 
front line workers with the poor and marginalized are often caught up 
with the police, and let's not let semantic issues distract from her 
important report.  Most abuse of our marginalized brothers and sisters 
by the police force go unreported!  That is why Alex's front line report 
is so important and should be thoughtfully considered!


 The police are not accountable in this society nor are they the 
appropriate, trained health care workers, who should be intervening in 
this public health problem. (These are the same cops who stop and frisk)



A new international report on the war on drugs has finally highlighted 
its complete failure as a policy.  It has long been recognized by 
educated individuals that prohibition does not prevent or ameliorate any 
damage done to addicts, their families, or society.  But the range of 
problems and damage to society caused by prohibition, not the drug use, 
has not been generally recognized!


The war on drugs is another corporate profit scheme domestically and a 
cloak for profitably arming fascist movements internationally.  But it 
is important to recognize that it only makes all problems for American 
society worse, while the problems of addiction fester.


 The corporate driven research community (that I was part of) has long 
understood that the ratio of treatment resources to interdiction 
resources allocated by our government is absurd!  The ignorance and 
anger among the general population interferes with any hope for 
political change with this ratio despite overwhelming evidence.  But 
people need to understand that the war on drugs is actually the worst 
possible assortment of policies which damages addicts, families, and 
society as a whole!


Please take a few minutes to watch Dr. Gabor Mate, one of the leading 
and trusted experts on addiction, interviewed after the release of the 
international report.


http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/6/6/dr_gabor_mat_more_compassion_less_violence_needed_in_addressing_drug_addiction


Thanks to Alex for her advocacy for the marginalized, and for publicly 
reporting this incident!






On 6/16/2011 8:42 AM, Mario Giorno wrote:

Al or l...@verizon.net mailto:l...@verizon.net,

  Could one or both of you elaborate on the verbs observe vs. 
interfere. Observing and interfering are two different activities. 
Does anyone else on the list have any more information about Alexine's 
arrest?



Mario Giorno

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:20 AM, krf...@aol.com 
mailto:krf...@aol.com wrote:


In a message dated 6/15/2011 10:56:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
l...@verizon.net mailto:l...@verizon.net writes:

Alexine Fleck, an English Literature professor at PCC and
volunteer at a women's drug treatment program in North Philly
who lives on Larchwood posted an account today in her blog
about being arrested for attempting to observe while police
accosted a suspected drug user in front of her house. It
concerns me that watching the police is being treated as a
crime -- I'd like to think that they're helpful and
approachable. I seem to recall reading here that UCD had a
police liaison, is this the case? Anyway --

Alexine Fleck might have been right in some moral or theoretical
sense. But she was asking for the trouble she got by interfering
with the police officer.
She should have backed off when he (or she) asked her to do so.
And if she thought the cop acted improperly, she should have
called the Precinct Captain and reported the incident. She
wouldn't have to have known the badge number. The vehicles are all
numbered and the cops know who was in which car and when.


You read it here, first, on the ever-popular */Popu-List/*

Courtesy of Al Krigman




--
Mario Giorno
PO Box 30932
Philadelphia, PA 19104
westphi...@gmail.com mailto:westphi...@gmail.com



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[UC] Tell Philadelphia City Council to increase school funding

2011-06-16 Thread Rick Conrad
Hi,

I just sent emails to all 17 Philadelphia City Council members urging them to 
save vital educational programs by voting to increase funding to the 
Philadelphia School District. Please join me in urging them to do the right 
thing for our kids by clicking the link below:

http://action.nutter2011.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6372

Thanks.




[UC] Tell Philadelphia City Council to increase school funding

2011-06-16 Thread Rick Conrad
Hi,

I just sent emails to all 17 Philadelphia City Council members urging them to 
save vital educational programs by voting to increase funding to the 
Philadelphia School District. Please join me in urging them to do the right 
thing for our kids by clicking the link below:

http://action.nutter2011.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6372

Thanks.




Re: [UC] Tell Philadelphia City Council to increase school funding

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Conrad
How insulated you must be Matt, not to know about the Mayor's proposal to raise 
the funds through a tax on sugar-sweetened beverages like soda pop... REALLY, 
read a paper, watch the news, get a life...

On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Wolfe J. Matthew wrote:

 Increase funding for schools.  I agree.  If you mean increase taxes to raise 
 revenues for schools, I could not disagree more.  The worst thing that City 
 Council could do for the children and everyone else in Philadelphia is 
 further chasing jobs out of the city by increasing taxes.
 
 There are areas that the district could economize.  One that annoys me is the 
 school closing issue.  The school district has 70,000 empty seats in its 
 schools, over a third of its overall capacity.  That will go up due to the 
 courts stopping them from their illegal practice of capping charter school 
 enrollment.  How many schools could they close next year?  Ten percent?  
 Twenty five percent?  How much money would that save?  How many are they 
 closing?  None, of course.
 
 Undoubtably the schools have a financial crisis due to the incredible 
 mismanagement of Arlene Ackerman and the School Reform Commission.  The fact 
 that blame can be easily assigned does not justify throwing the children 
 under the school bus, however.  Public education is one of the areas that is 
 a core municipal service and must be funded.  New or increased taxes are not 
 only the answer, but a large reason we have the problem we have now.  City 
 spending can and should be re-priortized.  What should the city be spending 
 money on?  Public safety.  Sanitation.  Maintenance of the transportation 
 infrastructure.  Public education.  That's about it.  If you went through the 
 budget and crossed off everything that had the word program attached to it, 
 you would do little damage to the core municipal services noted above and 
 have plenty of money for the real priorities, including education.  Economic 
 development programs.  Health and welfare programs.  All well-meaning and 
 most have positive results.  Certainly not more important than fulfilling the 
 City's responsibility to educate its children, however.  Some Councilmen have 
 proposed shifting some spending.  More should be done.
 
 Even looking at those core services, there are other things to look at.  
 Could private trash haulers work less expensively and more efficiently than 
 our current sanitation crew (which I think does a pretty good job)?  We 
 should look into it.  While we're looking at privatization, how about the 
 health centers.  Do we have hospitals that are under capacity?  Why is the 
 city in the business of owing a gas utility, a water utility and an airport?  
 And since we are on the issue of education, remember that public education 
 and public schools are not synonymous terms.  Expansion of charter schools 
 and hopefully the voucher bill under consideration in Harrisburg could be a 
 game changer.
 
 The bottom line is that there is a real need.  It should be met by City 
 Council.  The City's problem is not that it taxes too little but that it 
 spends too much.  I agree that there should be more money for education.  
 Look to other areas than taxes.
 
 -Matt Wolfe
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Rick Conrad wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I just sent emails to all 17 Philadelphia City Council members urging them 
 to save vital educational programs by voting to increase funding to the 
 Philadelphia School District. Please join me in urging them to do the right 
 thing for our kids by clicking the link below:
 
 http://action.nutter2011.com/p/sy/action/public/?action_KEY=6372
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 
 J. Matthew Wolfe
 Law Offices of J. Matthew Wolfe
 4256 Regent Square
 Philadelphia, PA  19104
 (215) 387-7300
 matt...@wolfe.org 
 
 
 



Re: [UC] Tell Philadelphia City Council to increase school funding

2011-06-16 Thread mcgettig


 Hah!  Rick, I went to the Nutter site and sent the emails as you suggested and 
they were all rejected -  they seem to have been regarded as spam.  Nice way 
for Council members to treat their mayor and his constituents!

Mary

 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net
To: UnivCity UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 1:45 pm
Subject: [UC] Tell Philadelphia City Council to increase school funding


Hi,

I just sent emails to all 17 Philadelphia City Council members urging them to 
save vital educational programs by voting to increase funding to the 
Philadelphia School District. Please join me in urging them to do the right 
thing for our kids by clicking the link below:

http://action.nutter2011.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6372

Thanks.



 
 


Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research

2011-06-16 Thread Anthony West

Mary,

I appreciate your research on this topic! But you seem still to step 
around two key facts in Frank Chance's report on Roundup. First, most of 
the malign findings in human beings occur with agribusiness 
applications, which can be up to 20 times more concentrated than dilute 
commercial solutions. Second, while the half-life of glyphosate, the 
active ingredient in Roundup, varies widely in the soil, it does usually 
break down swiftly. That's why most harmful effects are associated with 
its handlers, not with food consumers or bypassers in a treated field 
months later. There was a reason, in other words, why this construction 
site was fenced off from the public for 75 days after this soil 
treatment, which was applied early, before the new sod was laid down.


You are certainly right that further consideration should be paid to 
research into potential risks of glyphosate and other pesticides, and 
society should not rely on research paid for by manufacturers alone.


You are also right that neither Friends of Clark Park nor UC-list has 
any scientific authority to judge these issues or make decisions on 
application. This is a consideration that rests on the contracting 
agencies -- in this case, the Dept. of Parks  Recreation, and perhaps 
Capital Projects as well. It is a citywide issue which has nothing in 
particular to do with Clark Park. There will never be a situation in 
which Parks  Rec employs one herbicide in a project in Park X and 
another in Park Y, based on local input.


So readers with a (commendable, in my eye) concern about this subject 
should direct the fruits of their research toward people who write 
contracts for the City of Philadelphia. In the end, it is the City that 
must decide which construction practices are safe and which construction 
practices are affordable.


--Tony West



On 6/16/2011 1:55 AM, mcget...@aol.com wrote:
Frank Chase's reassurances that the pesticide Roundup is safe to 
humans and animals, are, I am sure, well-intentioned.  But the very 
latest research, done by independent, university-based scientists, 
makes a strong argument that the dangers of this product have been 
grossly underestimated .  Numerous studies have now demonstrated the 
toxicity of Roundup (not just its main ingredient glyphosate) to 
amphibians, mammals and humans.


In Ontario, a dramatic increase in miscarriages and premature births 
occurred in farm families where the farmer fathers were using 
Roundup.  In Argentina, a region newly-planted in RoundupReady soy and 
frequently sprayed with Roundup saw a significant increase in certain 
birth defects.  Researchers in France and Argentina, alarmed at this 
association between Roundup use and harm to humans, undertook research 
aimed at testing whether there was a cause and effect relationship at 
work.  They concluded that Roundup, at concentrations well below those 
commonly employed in agriculture, produced birth defects in 
amphibians, reduced fertility in rodents, and was lethal to human 
fetal, embryonic and placental cells.  Other researchers have observed 
an association between exposure to Roundup and increases in lymphoma 
in humans.


Apparently, the position that Roundup is harmless is based largely on 
research that 1) was performed by scientists in the employ of its 
manufacturer, much of it never published in any peer-reviewed 
journals, and with evidence that negative findings were suppressed and 
2) investigated the toxicity of glyphosate alone, ignoring the fact 
that the additives in the Roundup compound greatly increase the toxic 
effect.


Two just-published reports address the relationship between Roundup 
and birth defects and the safety of crops genetically modified to 
tolerate spraying with Roundup (the plants store Roundup, which thus 
enters the food supply either directly through human consumption, or 
indirectly, as animal feed that then is stored by the animals, 
eventually consumed by humans).  They are both excellent reviews of 
the status of research on Roundup and a good source for the most 
important scientific literature on the topic.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/57277946/RoundupandBirthDefectsv5
http://www.gmwatch.org/files/GMsoy_SustainableResponsible_Sept2010_Summary.pdf,

Reading these reviews, as well as articles on the toxic effects of 
incredibly small doses of Roundup on human fetal and placental cells, 
certainly shakes one's faith in  Monsanto's claims of its being harmless.


In any case, neither Frank Chance nor the FOCP are the pesticide 
police.  They are not responsible for its application in Clark Park, 
nor are they scientists equipped to judge its safety.  Clearly, the 
responsibility lies with the city and its agents (UCD, landscape 
contractors, etc).  How much Roundup was used in Clark Park is only 
part of the story.  How much of this pesticide has been spread around 
the city at large?  Perhaps that question should be posed to the Parks 
and Rec people.  I don't 

Re: [UC] Tell Philadelphia City Council to increase school funding

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Conrad
Same thing happened to my 17 emails, Mary.  The whole City Council seems to be 
insulated, shock-proof, fragile, and beyond public debates.  Thanks for trying 
any way!

Rick

On Jun 16, 2011, at 4:28 PM, mcget...@aol.com wrote:

 Hah!  Rick, I went to the Nutter site and sent the emails as you suggested 
 and they were all rejected -  they seem to have been regarded as spam.  Nice 
 way for Council members to treat their mayor and his constituents!
 
 Mary
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net
 To: UnivCity UnivCity@list.purple.com
 Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 1:45 pm
 Subject: [UC] Tell Philadelphia City Council to increase school funding
 
 Hi,
 
 I just sent emails to all 17 Philadelphia City Council members urging them to 
 save vital educational programs by voting to increase funding to the 
 Philadelphia School District. Please join me in urging them to do the right 
 thing for our kids by clicking the link below:
 
 http://action.nutter2011.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6372
 
 Thanks.
 
 



Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research

2011-06-16 Thread Margie Politzer

Tony said below:
There will never be a situation in which Parks  Rec employs one  
herbicide in a project in Park X and another in Park Y, based on local  
input.


Tony, how do you know this?

Margie




On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Anthony West wrote:


Mary,

I appreciate your research on this topic! But you seem still to step  
around two key facts in Frank Chance's report on Roundup. First,  
most of the malign findings in human beings occur with agribusiness  
applications, which can be up to 20 times more concentrated than 
dilute commercial solutions. Second, while the half-life of  
glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, varies widely in the  
soil, it does usually break down swiftly. That's why most harmful  
effects are associated with its handlers, not with food consumers or  
bypassers in a treated field months later. There was a reason, in  
other words, why this construction site was fenced off from the  
public for 75 days after this soil treatment, which was applied  
early, before the new sod was laid down.


You are certainly right that further consideration should be paid to  
research into potential risks of glyphosate and other pesticides,  
and society should not rely on research paid for by manufacturers  
alone.


You are also right that neither Friends of Clark Park nor UC-list  
has any scientific authority to judge these issues or make decisions  
on application. This is a consideration that rests on the  
contracting agencies -- in this case, the Dept. of Parks   
Recreation, and perhaps Capital Projects as well. It is a citywide  
issue which has nothing in particular to do with Clark Park. There  
will never be a situation in which Parks  Rec employs one herbicide  
in a project in Park X and another in Park Y, based on local input.


So readers with a (commendable, in my eye) concern about this  
subject should direct the fruits of their research toward people who  
write contracts for the City of Philadelphia. In the end, it is the  
City that must decide which construction practices are safe and  
which construction practices are affordable.


--Tony West



On 6/16/2011 1:55 AM, mcget...@aol.com wrote:


Frank Chase's reassurances that the pesticide Roundup is safe to  
humans and animals, are, I am sure, well-intentioned.  But the very  
latest research, done by independent, university-based scientists,  
makes a strong argument that the dangers of this product have been  
grossly underestimated .  Numerous studies have now demonstrated  
the toxicity of Roundup (not just its main ingredient glyphosate)  
to amphibians, mammals and humans.


In Ontario, a dramatic increase in miscarriages and premature  
births occurred in farm families where the farmer fathers were  
using Roundup.  In Argentina, a region newly-planted in  
RoundupReady soy and frequently sprayed with Roundup saw a  
significant increase in certain birth defects.  Researchers in  
France and Argentina, alarmed at this association between Roundup  
use and harm to humans, undertook research aimed at testing whether  
there was a cause and effect relationship at work.  They concluded  
that Roundup, at concentrations well below those commonly employed  
in agriculture, produced birth defects in amphibians, reduced  
fertility in rodents, and was lethal to human fetal, embryonic and  
placental cells.  Other researchers have observed an association  
between exposure to Roundup and increases in lymphoma in humans.


Apparently, the position that Roundup is harmless is based largely  
on research that 1) was performed by scientists in the employ of  
its manufacturer, much of it never published in any peer-reviewed  
journals, and with evidence that negative findings were suppressed  
and 2) investigated the toxicity of glyphosate alone, ignoring the  
fact that the additives in the Roundup compound greatly increase  
the toxic effect.


Two just-published reports address the relationship between Roundup  
and birth defects and the safety of crops genetically modified to  
tolerate spraying with Roundup (the plants store Roundup, which  
thus enters the food supply either directly through human  
consumption, or indirectly, as animal feed that then is stored by  
the animals, eventually consumed by humans).  They are both  
excellent reviews of the status of research on Roundup and a good  
source for the most important scientific literature on the topic.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/57277946/RoundupandBirthDefectsv5
http://www.gmwatch.org/files/GMsoy_SustainableResponsible_Sept2010_Summary.pdf 
,


Reading these reviews, as well as articles on the toxic effects of  
incredibly small doses of Roundup on human fetal and placental  
cells, certainly shakes one's faith in  Monsanto's claims of its  
being harmless.


In any case, neither Frank Chance nor the FOCP are the pesticide  
police.  They are not responsible for its application in Clark  
Park, nor are they scientists equipped to judge its 

Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Conrad
Tony,  This was covered by the studies which showed the hazardous effects in 
extremely dilute concentrations... did you miss that   Rick Conrad

On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Anthony West wrote:

 you seem still to step around two key facts in Frank Chance's report on 
 Roundup. First, most of the malign findings in human beings occur with 
 agribusiness applications, which can be up to 20 times more concentrated 
 than dilute commercial solutions


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Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research

2011-06-16 Thread Kimm Tynan
Actually, in my experience in community organizing, this is absolutely
false.  Public institutions respond to the people who are pressuring them,
and ignore those who are not.  It may or may not be just or fair, but it is.

If we want the rec department to stop applying toxic chemicals to Clark
Park, we can get that to happen.  It would not be that hard.

Kimm


On 6/16/11 9:24 PM, Margie Politzer m.polit...@verizon.net wrote:

 Tony said below:
 There will never be a situation in which Parks  Rec employs one herbicide in
 a project in Park X and another in Park Y, based on local input.
 
 Tony, how do you know this?
 
 Margie
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Anthony West wrote:
 
  
 Mary,
 
 I appreciate your research on this topic! But you seem still to step
 around two key facts in Frank Chance's report on Roundup. First,most of
 the malign findings in human beings occur with agribusinessapplications,
 which can be up to 20 times more concentrated thandilute commercial
 solutions. Second, while the half-life ofglyphosate, the active
 ingredient in Roundup, varies widely in thesoil, it does usually break
 down swiftly. That's why most harmfuleffects are associated with its
 handlers, not with food consumers orbypassers in a treated field months
 later. There was a reason, inother words, why this construction site was
 fenced off from thepublic for 75 days after this soil treatment, which
 was appliedearly, before the new sod was laid down.
 
 You are certainly right that further consideration should be paid to
 research into potential risks of glyphosate and other pesticides,and
 society should not rely on research paid for by manufacturersalone.
 
 You are also right that neither Friends of Clark Park nor UC-listhas
 any scientific authority to judge these issues or make decisionson
 application. This is a consideration that rests on thecontracting
 agencies -- in this case, the Dept. of Parks Recreation, and perhaps
 Capital Projects as well. It is a citywideissue which has nothing in
 particular to do with Clark Park. Therewill never be a situation in which
 Parks  Rec employs oneherbicide in a project in Park X and another in
 Park Y, based onlocal input.
 
 So readers with a (commendable, in my eye) concern about thissubject
 should direct the fruits of their research toward people whowrite
 contracts for the City of Philadelphia. In the end, it is theCity that
 must decide which construction practices are safe andwhich construction
 practices are affordable.
 
 --Tony West
 
 
 
 On 6/16/2011 1:55 AM, mcget...@aol.com wrote:
 
 
   
 
   





  Frank Chase's reassurances that the  pesticide
 Roundup is safe to humans and  animals, are, I am
 sure, well-intentioned.   But the very latest
 research, done by  independent, university-based
 scientists,  makes a strong argument that the
 dangers of  this product have been grossly
 underestimated  .  Numerous studies have now
 demonstrated the  toxicity of Roundup (not just its
 main  ingredient glyphosate) to amphibians, mammals
 and humans.  

   In Ontario, a dramatic increase in
 miscarriages and premature births occurred in  farm
 families where the farmer fathers were  using
 Roundup.  In Argentina, a region  newly-planted in
 RoundupReady soy and  frequently sprayed with
 Roundup saw a  significant increase in certain birth
 defects.  Researchers in France and Argentina,
 alarmed at this association between Roundup  use and
 harm to humans, undertook research  aimed at testing
 whether there was a cause and  effect relationship
 at work.  They concluded  that Roundup, at
 concentrations well below  those commonly employed
 in agriculture,  produced birth defects in
 amphibians, reduced  fertility in rodents, and was
 lethal to human  fetal, embryonic and placental
 cells.  Other  researchers have observed an
 association  between exposure to Roundup and
 increases in  lymphoma in humans.

   Apparently, the position that Roundup is
 harmless is based largely on research that 1)