[UC] RoundUp burning is visible
When I reported the RoundUp use in Clark Park before the fence went up, I also investigated the landscape company that the secret partnership was using at the time. The consumer complaints largely focused on what was often called burning. (There was a lawsuit brought on this basis in either NJ or DE) You can see this yellowing of a large portion of the Frankenstein grass just south of the huge gravel pit in Park A. You can also see this at Stouffer triangle on Woodland walk between 38 and 37th. And if you look down from Walnut St just east of WXPN, almost the entire Frankenstein lawn adjacent the new parking lot construction has the same yellowing. The workers who spread this stuff are told the same pack of lies about safety and appear to use even greater doses than the Monsanto guidelines. It appears the business theory is to make sure that all dandelion and flowering plants are killed with the first dose and the company is not called back for a 2nd treatment. (The worker who I recently witnessed in the park was literally drenching the tree roots in Clark Park. The boss, who identified the poison as roundup, immediately told me that RoundUp is safe.) If you walk around Penn campus, you will see the same Frankenstein grass as we have in Clark Park devoid of all other plant species. This RoundUp seems to be deployed in city parks which have had the city workers replaced by special service districts, so the city will claim ignorance and no responsibility. My reply to Mary won't go through to the list, so I will need to retype and send my view of the role and culpability of the FOCP leaders later. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research
On 6/16/2011 7:08 PM, Anthony West wrote: in this case, the Dept. of Parks Recreation, and perhaps Capital Projects as well. It is a citywide issue which has nothing in particular to do with Clark Park. There will never be a situation in which Parks Rec employs one herbicide in a project in Park X and another in Park Y, based on local input. Here is another whopper told by Mr. West. The company that spread the poison in the past was a subcontractor for the Moon landscape company and not city employees! Nor were the two guys that I witnessed during the redesign city employees! Many local people know that the Dept of Rec. transferred maintenance of Clark Park to UCD and its layers of subcontractors many years ago when the Party for the Park first began. Has long term FOCP leader Tony West forgotten??? As I explained before, no one is going to get any answers about RoundUp use or any future issues from the Clark Park Partnership or the city. People are supposed to get frustrated as they are given the circular run around between FOCP and UCD. I hope no one is waiting for the internal investigation of the violation of federal law and the John Fenton affair-haha I publicly asked former UCD director, Lewis Wendell, to open records on Clark Park for inspection when PENN tried to raise property taxes, BID. He refused to answer me and UCD will always refuse unless they are taken to court. Frankly, their experts don't care what is done to Clark Park as long as they can advertise the money spent which is to justify their control. If people think the landscape companies are city employees as West suggests, they need to wake up and ask some of the honest neighbors to the park, like me. How long will local people tolerate community representatives repeatedly lying as they engage in secret deals against the public good and safety??? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Roundup in Clark Park - latest research
Second, while the half-life of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, varies widely in the soil, it does usually break down swiftly. Rick, Tony West also missed that this claim has been shown to be false. You're reading of the reports are the correct ones and extremely dilute concentrations can produce the harmful effects. The chemical companies are excused from doing proper research by a compliant government. They produce data on a substance in isolation. But toxicity can be compounded in the real world much like drug interactions of safe doses can be harmful and deadly. Glenn On 6/16/2011 9:35 PM, Richard Conrad wrote: Tony, This was covered by the studies which showed the hazardous effects in extremely dilute concentrations... did you miss that Rick Conrad On Jun 16, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Anthony West wrote: you seem still to step around two key facts in Frank Chance's report on Roundup. First, most of the malign findings in human beings occur with agribusiness applications, which can be up to 20 times more concentrated than dilute commercial solutions You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3708 - Release Date: 06/16/11 14:34:00
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
Glenn wrote: And if you look down from Walnut St just east of WXPN, almost the entire Frankenstein lawn adjacent the new parking lot construction has the same yellowing. yes! I noticed this recently and wondered about that strange yellowing, because that sod had been recently laid and everything was green, and then suddenly the weird swaths of perfectly uniform yellow appeared, that didn't follow the pattern of the sod pieces -- and this dead yellow appeared after plenty of rain had just fallen. and what's so odd is that when you look at it from above, you see perfectly green patches of grass right next to patches of completely dead yellow grass -- it's not even a gradual shift... also, no dandelions or clover, from what I can see from the bridge... so roundup is causing that? seems consistent with the practice of applying roundup at the beginning of new landscaping operations; the stouffer triangle on woodland walk is also relatively recent (just last year?) - - - - - if penn's ucd is indeed resorting to poisons, that is inconsistent with penn's stated commitment to sustainability: http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/ perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd is aware of harvard, and look into organic compost teas for our clark park -- I haven't heard mention of this compost tea in this discussion, I first heard about it on this old house: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd is aware of harvard, and look into organic compost teas for our clark park -- I haven't heard mention of this compost tea in this discussion, I first heard about it on this old house: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html or, closer to home: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/grd/2413917807.html http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/greenfund.html#morris3 http://philadelphiagreen.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/compost-week-striking-a-balance/ .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote: a foolish error... when you babble about... [UC] Tony West's 'criticism' burning is visible! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
Actually, I am getting a bit muddled following this discussion thread. If the Friends of Clark Park don't really have any say or input as to what happens in Clark Park whether its plantings or chemicals used in the park, for what reason do they exist? The Fairmount Park System is one of the best in the country and has worked hard to maintained our vast system of city parks. If the City and Park Commission are making the decisions for Clark Park and not FOCP along with Penn and the UCD, why is an organization such as FOCP deemed necessary? I am not trying to be funny, but I really don't get it. It has been my experience that the various and sundry Friends of... groups in UC have been a huge part of the gentrification drive in the neighborhood and tend to set the agenda for various public and private projects to transform use of these spaces as they see fit and for whom they deem fit in the name of the community, which they do not actually represent. I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community, questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or rancor. Either the FOCP knew about the use of this chemical and how the park would be revamped and were in on the decisions with the other entities or they didn't. If they didn't what purpose do they serve? There is FAR too much protesting of innocence from their end. It's quite confusing and I usually follow things without getting muddled. On 6/18/11 9:29 PM, Richard Conrad rdcon...@verizon.net wrote: On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote: a foolish error... when you babble about... [UC] Tony West's 'criticism' burning is visible! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmxcmpR1GQAfeature=related On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote: the sod is not a monoculture. It contains a mix of different species, which may react differently in specific locations. Hanes is the professional in charge, and he doesn't think Roundup is causing this phenomenon. For us laymen, this makes sense as well. Roundup was applied evenly across the park, so it shouldn't cause patchy damage. Hanes emphasized that newly-aid sod is still fragile. It needs to be babied during its first year. Park-lovers will be working to spread that word. Ray (that's University Citoyen's real name, for newcomers), if you want to organize an organic-compost movement for the park, that would be wonderful! Please coordinate with Friends of Clark Park and we'll explore if this is workable. Dandelions or clover were not included in the new sod which was laid down, so it's unlikely you'd expect to see them this soon. Don't worry, all you weed-lovers, they'll enter soon enough by themselves; you don't need to spend half a mill to plant them. You repeat a foolish error, Ray, when you babble about Penn's UCD. Hanes was paid entirely by Friends of Clark Park, which has run a multi-year campaign to come up with the $75,000 needed just for his blueprint. The work was approved and contracted by the City of Philadelphia. While UCD is one of maybe 10 helpful partners on the Clark Park Committee, it played a minor role at best in the Park A Revitalization Campaign; your employer Penn's role was, if anything, smaller. In the meantime, Roundup foes should quit focusing on Clark Park, where its use has ceased. They should turn instead to Woodland Building Supply at 47th Woodland, which sells the same stuff to some of your neighbors, day in and day out. So if you believe Clark Park poses a Roundup hazard from a one-time use during construction, your neighbors pose an even-greater hazard, no? You should ferret them all out and organize a campaign against them. Looking forward to that tea, though -- seriously. -- Tony West On 6/18/2011 11:36 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: yes! I noticed this recently and wondered about that strange yellowing, because that sod had been recently laid and everything was green, and then suddenly the weird swaths of perfectly uniform yellow appeared, that didn't follow the pattern of the sod pieces -- and this dead yellow appeared after plenty of rain had just fallen. and what's so odd is that when you look at it from above, you see perfectly green patches of grass right next to patches of completely dead yellow grass -- it's not even a gradual shift... also, no dandelions or clover, from what I can see from the bridge... so roundup is causing that? seems consistent with the practice of applying roundup at the beginning of new landscaping operations; the stouffer triangle on woodland walk is also relatively recent (just last year?) - - - - - if penn's ucd is indeed resorting to poisons, that is inconsistent with penn's stated commitment to sustainability: http://www.upenn.edu/sustainability/ perhaps neighbors can investigate whether or not penn's ucd is aware of harvard, and look into organic compost teas for our clark park -- I haven't heard mention of this compost tea in this discussion, I first heard about it on this old house: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/garden/24garden.html .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
You rock, Lew. -- Tony West On 6/18/2011 11:51 PM, Lewis Mellman wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmxcmpR1GQAfeature=related You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
From the UCD Quest, Summer 2010 UCD and the Clark Park Partnership, a consortium that OVERSEES park maintenance, events, POLICIES and capital projects... Wilma, While Mr. West continually points to the Parks Dept., it seems that UCD claims that it is in charge of Clark Park in this publication. (However, we've seen before that UCD tells different stories to different publications.) Wilma, Tony West is using the circular deception designed and rehearsed to frustrate and stone wall anyone asking questions of the secret partnership. You and others have asked the FOCP leaders for embarrassing secret information. It is abundantly clear that they have no intention of answering anyone. Everyone saw their grasp for red herrings when Glenn Moyer's vile insane lies were the center of all their initial replies about RoundUp. Tony West knows that the Parks Dept. will also protect the secrecy by answering any questions about RoundUp by playing stupid and pointing to the community and its partners. UCD will also answer that all decisions are made by the community and the Parks Dept. Once a person goes through this, as I have, he or she will understand this technique used in an iron triangle. It's a corollary to catch 22. Each group gives you an answer that only tells you that you will never get an honest answer. No one seems to know when, where, and by whom decisions are made whenever someone is asking questions! But when they are marketing, then they are all sophisticated well informed partners bringing salvation to all that they touch-haha Wilma writes: I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community, questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or rancor. Yes indeed! If they are representatives of this community, as they claim, is it not their primary duty to honestly and politely answer their constituents questions? But for years, we've seen that their primary mission is protecting the power and secrecy of their partnership with UCD/Penn while they get angry at all questions because they're hard working volunteers. For years, I asked for the time, date, and location of their secret meetings, and that was why I was personally attacked and the meetings always remained secret and exclusive. Tony West and Brian Siano have been the FOCP leaders for ten years. The members of FOCP should be ashamed at the behavior of these UCD operatives who treat so many people so badly with so much deception. This is what happens when people are lured by the glitter of fool's gold and turn a blind eye to behavior that they would otherwise condemn! Thanks for speaking up for truth, Glenn On 6/18/2011 9:56 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote: Actually, I am getting a bit muddled following this discussion thread. If the Friends of Clark Park don't really have any say or input as to what happens in Clark Park whether its plantings or chemicals used in the park, for what reason do they exist? The Fairmount Park System is one of the best in the country and has worked hard to maintained our vast system of city parks. If the City and Park Commission are making the decisions for Clark Park and not FOCP along with Penn and the UCD, why is an organization such as FOCP deemed necessary? I am not trying to be funny, but I really don't get it. It has been my experience that the various and sundry Friends of... groups in UC have been a huge part of the gentrification drive in the neighborhood and tend to set the agenda for various public and private projects to transform use of these spaces as they see fit and for whom they deem fit in the name of the community, which they do not actually represent. I say this because if they are truly accountable to the community, questions put forth in good faith to the leaders of these organizations by concerned neighbors should be answered in good faith without spin or rancor. Either the FOCP knew about the use of this chemical and how the park would be revamped and were in on the decisions with the other entities or they didn't. If they didn't what purpose do they serve? There is FAR too much protesting of innocence from their end. It's quite confusing and I usually follow things without getting muddled. On 6/18/11 9:29 PM, Richard Conradrdcon...@verizon.net wrote: On Jun 18, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Anthony West wrote: a foolish error... when you babble about... [UC] Tony West's 'criticism' burning is visible! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus
Re: [UC] RoundUp burning is visible
Glenn wrote: Once a person goes through this, as I have, he or she will understand this technique used in an iron triangle. the solution seems obvious: penn's ucd can go to the farmers' market at clark park next saturday and buy up all the bottles of organic compost tea, and then spray it wherever they've used chemicals in clark park. no need for the community, focp, OR the city's parks dept. .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
