Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-23 Thread Glenn

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  Actually, while it may be that in court you don't
 disclose your strategy, you do disclose your
 evidence and issues before trial.? The evidence
 comes out in discovery and the issues should be
 framed in the pleadings.
 
 Paul


Paul,

It seems that we may agree that this hotel project
could be considered like an adversarial occurrence
similar to court proceedings.  Since Lussenhop has
refused to disclose the massive evidence he must have
assembled, do you think his petition should be
summarily dismissed on the basis of contempt?  

Am I correct that in court the defendant (the
community) must also be allowed to see evidence used
against us before a decision is made?  It seems that
with this historical commission case the right to
discovery is only for the benefit of the powerful
side. 

Lussenhop/Campus Apts.  seem to have everything in
advance and the defendant gets to see nothing but the
newspaper report, which exposed this assault.  Is that
UC Review report all Lussenhop has assembled to
present today, I wonder?   

In community vs. Lussenhop, it would seem that only a
kangaroo court would allow such a lopsided advantage
just because he is a crony of Penn.

These corporate clowns aren’t great friends of the
funky neighborhood.  We should never forget that they
make it an adversarial relationship through secrecy
and astroturfing and always always try to stack the
deck then run out the clock!

Thanks for the clarifying explanation about evidence
in court.

Your buddy,
Glenn  










 
 
  
 
 
  
 
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 Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm
 curious 
   about
 your concern.? Why is it better to surprise the
 developer with 
   your
 concerns?? It seems to me that providing the
 developer with time 
   to
 consider your concerns allows him to more
 thoughtfully take them 
   into
 consideration.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Oh, c'mon Stephen. It obviously biases the
 proceedings at the Architectural 
 Committee meeting. Does one side of a court battle
 tell the other its strategy? 
 
 ?
 
 
 If, in fact, someone working for the PHC leaked this
 information to 
 Lussenhop, it's a breach of conduct and ethics that
 could justifiably result in 
 immediate job termination.
 
 
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-23 Thread Krfapt
 
In a message dated 10/22/2007 11:59:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My point  was in regards to whether or not it's
more beneficial to the process and  the community for the developer to
know the concerns of the community prior  to the meeting.



If Penn or it's developer (Lussenhop) wanted to know the concerns of the  
community -- ostensibly to get inputs and engage in a dialog to reach some kind 
 
accommodation -- they/he would have presented some basic ideas then held one 
or  more community forums prior to starting the legal processes into  motion.
 
Getting this information the way he did, under the table -- as it were --  is 
just a way to prepare for objections, not to understand concerns and try to  
work with people who are worried about the implications as they affect the  
quality of their lives.  



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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-23 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My point was in regards to whether or not it's
more beneficial to the process and the community for the developer to
know the concerns of the community prior to the meeting.

If Penn or it's developer (Lussenhop) wanted to know the concerns of the 
community -- ostensibly to get inputs and engage in a dialog to reach 
some kind accommodation -- they/he would have presented some basic ideas 
then held one or more community forums prior to starting the legal 
processes into motion.
 
Getting this information the way he did, under the table -- as it were 
-- is just a way to prepare for objections, not to understand concerns 
and try to work with people who are worried about the implications as 
they affect the quality of their lives.



this whole question of stephen's is rather odd, and I think 
you and glenn and others have shown pretty clearly why.


what isn't clear yet is whether anyone else from the 
community or this list received an email from the developer, 
tom lussenhop. others besides karen heenan have written 
comments on this list (and in the university city review) 
about the proposed hotel. have they been contacted by lussenhop?


also, in tom lussenhop's response to karen, he said there's 
been 'a lot of meetings.' can anyone here tell us where the 
community meetings about this were held? when? how were they 
publicized? what were the results (minutes posted anywhere?) 
in his message to karen, tom said that one of the outcomes 
of the proposed hotel would be to introduce 'new (more 
responsible) neighbors' to the area.



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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Krfapt
 
In a message dated 10/21/2007 11:49:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious  about
your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with  your
concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time  to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them  into
consideration.



Oh, c'mon Stephen. It obviously biases the proceedings at the Architectural  
Committee meeting. Does one side of a court battle tell the other its 
strategy?  

If, in fact, someone working for the PHC leaked this information to  
Lussenhop, it's a breach of conduct and ethics that could justifiably result in 
 
immediate job termination.
 
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Glenn

--- Doc Baldy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Why is it better to surprise the
 developer with your
 concerns?  It seems to me that providing the
 developer with time to
 consider your concerns allows him to more
 thoughtfully take them into
 consideration.
 
 Best,
 Stephen


Hi Stephen,

You’re a nice guy so I think you want to give Penn and
Mr. Lussenhop the benefit of the doubt. Consider this
alternative to your statement

-Why is it better to surprise the citizens with all
plans? It seems to me that providing the citizens with
time to consider corporate plans allows them to more
thoughtfully take them into
consideration.-

Back in July, Mr. Lussenhop tried to get the historic
property de-listed without informing the community. 
In my opinion, historic preservation of the
neighborhood is important to a great number of the
residents of this community.  

It seems we are always discovering Penn driven plans
at the last minute or after it is too late for the
many voices of the community to weigh in.  Before the
newspaper article exposed this plan, Mr. Lussenhop,
Campus Apts, etc, attempted a slam-dunk with this
hotel project.  Determining what can be “gotten away
with” is not the same as disclosure and asking for
community feedback.  The fact that an attempt to
de-list this historic building was attempted secretly
months ago shows that the developers have no interest
with community concerns.  

You’ve seen people put emphasis on appropriate
process.  When someone is sneaky and tries to skip an
appropriate process, it negatively reflects upon their
intentions and credibility.  In my opinion, it would
be naïve to take any more about the intentions of this
project and developer on blind faith.  

The other problem here is government; its relationship
to the people; and its role as corporate partner. 
There have been many times described on the uncensored
list in which agencies of our city government appear
to be accountable and directed from Penn Board rooms
rather than accountable to the people.  The police,
LI, the streets department, the Dept of Recreation,
etc., have been described crossing the line with
exuberance in corporate driven planning.

Our neighbors are sharing their concerns at the last
minute because Mr. Lussenhop tried to keep them in the
dark for months after he should have disclosed the
plan.  As individuals scramble to just get their
concerns heard, it looks like The Phila. Historical
Commission is forwarding those concerns to that
secretive developer immediately.  This could suggest
serious problems with this agency as an impartial
adjudicator.  It’s not only stacking the deck but also
putting mirrors behind the backs of the little people.
 Remember, if hearing community concerns was desired,
the developer would have disclosed the plan before
attempting to get the building de-listed.  

This is more of that slam-dunk attempt.  Why does the
community need to fight and beg for fair treatment
while the powerful disingenuous corporate entity is
given every advantage?

If you did have views on this project, how would you
feel about getting slam-dunked?  Think about the
implications of all this, Stephen.

Best, 
Glenn



 







 
 
 On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting
 forth my feelings about the
  proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got
 a response.  Not from
  anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our
 friendly neighborhood hotel
  developer.  I didn't send my letter to Mr.
 Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
  letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter
 went out by snail mail, so
  he didn't get it from them.
 
  I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within
 5 hours of my sending it
  to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I
 don't think that it's
  appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from
 residents to Mr. Lussenhop
  prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him
 advance opportunity to respond
  to any comments we may have?
 
  Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder,
 and when I clicked not
  junk, MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing
 list to my safe lists.
  Apparently my response was one of many that Mr.
 Lussenhop sent out that day.
 
  Karen
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
  Subject: Hi
 
 
  
   Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood
 hotel developer.
  
   Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful
 comments, I thought
   I'd respond.
  
   First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended
 stay hotel.   That is,
   somewhere where the thousands of visitors to
 University City's
   institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae
 stay) and not have to
   drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard
 and MIT have several
   such hotels.
  
   The hotel is more like an apartment building
 since there is no meeting
   space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  

Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Elizabeth F Campion

Like it or not, zoning change involves 
a petitioner
someone planning some benefit for themselves
(or their agenda/goals if a nonprofit)
requesting an accommodation/change from 
neighbors and
existing communities.
 
I do not see the benefit in revealing names or contact info of those who
have objections (or even questions).
Outing PEOPLE creates a system for identifying individuals who 'need'
to be suppressed or converted, either by bullying and or bribery.
 
Addressing the QUESTIONS and CONCERNS of the community, while permitting
questioners to remain anonymous, at least during the early stages, keeps
the focus upon the track record of the developer and is a better method
of analyzing the features and benefits of the proposed
change/development.
 
I think Karen's concern is valid.
Further, information should be easily available to the entire community,
through door-to-door delivery, not just to those who need persuading, or
those on all the current computer lists.

Best!
Liz
 
 
 
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:46:24 -0400 Doc Baldy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Hi Karen,
 
  I don't think that it's appropriate for the PHC to forward letters 
 from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
  prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity 
 to respond
  to any comments we may have?
 
 Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious about
 your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
 concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
 consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them 
 into
 consideration.
 
 Best,
 Stephen
 
 
 On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings 
 about the
  proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  
 Not from
  anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our friendly 
 neighborhood hotel
  developer.  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I 
 cc'd my
  letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail 
 mail, so
  he didn't get it from them.
 
  I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my 
 sending it
  to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that 
 it's
  appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. 
 Lussenhop
  prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity 
 to respond
  to any comments we may have?
 
  Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I 
 clicked not
  junk, MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe 
 lists.
  Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out 
 that day.
 
  Karen
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
  Subject: Hi
 
 
  
   Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
  
   Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I 
 thought
   I'd respond.
  
   First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   
 That is,
   somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
   institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not 
 have to
   drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have 
 several
   such hotels.
  
   The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no 
 meeting
   space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to 
 shop on
   40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop 
 owners on
   40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at 
 The Last
   Word bookshop.
  
   Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 
 blocks of
   Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners 
 of 90 of
   them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned 
 properties but
   that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. 
 I think
   the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more 
 responisble)
   neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice 
 cafes or
   restauarants might pop up!
  
   There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will 
 come.
   Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
  
   Best,
  
   Tom
   4244 Osage Ave
  
 
  
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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread pmuyehara

 Actually, while it may be that in court you don't disclose your strategy, you 
do disclose your evidence and issues before trial.? The evidence comes out in 
discovery and the issues should be framed in the pleadings.

Paul


 


 

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In a message dated 10/21/2007 11:49:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious 
  about
your concern.? Why is it better to surprise the developer with 
  your
concerns?? It seems to me that providing the developer with time 
  to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them 
  into
consideration.







Oh, c'mon Stephen. It obviously biases the proceedings at the Architectural 
Committee meeting. Does one side of a court battle tell the other its strategy? 

?


If, in fact, someone working for the PHC leaked this information to 
Lussenhop, it's a breach of conduct and ethics that could justifiably result in 
immediate job termination.


?


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your service  ready for a dialog,
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Krigman







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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-22 Thread Doc Baldy
Hi Liz,

I wasn't speaking to the issue of PHC outing Karen by name (if
that's what happened).  My point was in regards to whether or not it's
more beneficial to the process and the community for the developer to
know the concerns of the community prior to the meeting.

Best,
Stephen


On 10/22/07, Elizabeth F Campion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Like it or not, zoning change involves
 a petitioner
 someone planning some benefit for themselves
 (or their agenda/goals if a nonprofit)
 requesting an accommodation/change from
 neighbors and
 existing communities.

 I do not see the benefit in revealing names or contact info of those who
 have objections (or even questions).
 Outing PEOPLE creates a system for identifying individuals who 'need'
 to be suppressed or converted, either by bullying and or bribery.

 Addressing the QUESTIONS and CONCERNS of the community, while permitting
 questioners to remain anonymous, at least during the early stages, keeps
 the focus upon the track record of the developer and is a better method
 of analyzing the features and benefits of the proposed
 change/development.

 I think Karen's concern is valid.
 Further, information should be easily available to the entire community,
 through door-to-door delivery, not just to those who need persuading, or
 those on all the current computer lists.

 Best!
 Liz



 On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:46:24 -0400 Doc Baldy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:
  Hi Karen,
 
   I don't think that it's appropriate for the PHC to forward letters
  from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
   prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity
  to respond
   to any comments we may have?
 
  Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious about
  your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
  concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
  consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them
  into
  consideration.
 
  Best,
  Stephen
 
 
  On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings
  about the
   proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.
  Not from
   anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our friendly
  neighborhood hotel
   developer.  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I
  cc'd my
   letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail
  mail, so
   he didn't get it from them.
  
   I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my
  sending it
   to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that
  it's
   appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr.
  Lussenhop
   prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity
  to respond
   to any comments we may have?
  
   Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I
  clicked not
   junk, MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe
  lists.
   Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out
  that day.
  
   Karen
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
   Subject: Hi
  
  
   
Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
   
Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I
  thought
I'd respond.
   
First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.
  That is,
somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not
  have to
drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have
  several
such hotels.
   
The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no
  meeting
space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to
  shop on
40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop
  owners on
40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at
  The Last
Word bookshop.
   
Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000
  blocks of
Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners
  of 90 of
them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned
  properties but
that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years.
  I think
the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more
  responisble)
neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice
  cafes or
restauarants might pop up!
   
There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will
  come.
Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
   
Best,
   
Tom
4244 Osage Ave
   
  
   
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[UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-21 Thread Karen Heenan

I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings about the
proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  Not from
anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our friendly neighborhood hotel
developer.  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail mail, so
he didn't get it from them.

I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my sending it
to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that it's
appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
to any comments we may have?

Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I clicked not
junk, MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe lists.
Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out that day.

Karen


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: Hi



 Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.

 Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I thought
 I'd respond.

 First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   That is,
 somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
 institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not have to
 drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have several
 such hotels.

 The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no meeting
 space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to shop on
 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop owners on
 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at The Last
 Word bookshop.

 Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 blocks of
 Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners of 90 of
 them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned properties but
 that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. I think
 the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more responisble)
 neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice cafes or
 restauarants might pop up!

 There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will come.
 Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.

 Best,

 Tom
 4244 Osage Ave



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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply - VERIFY

2007-10-21 Thread craigsolve
The Tom Lussenhop?communication may have been in response to your letter in the 
UCR or to your thoughtful posts to the list.?It is?possible TL subscribes to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] has a mole real estate professional, who monitors this 
list?for him.

Without spending time, now, analyzing the frailties of the letter, you may want 
to contact Tom Lussenhop?to?confirm his authorship of the email.?However, I 
would start at the top and take the matter directly to Craig Carnaroli, Exec VP 
215-898-6693, [EMAIL PROTECTED] to see who he has tasked to liaison this 
project with the community and what forms of engagement have taken?and will 
take place.

More comments later, once I shake off those stinkin' losing ass Eagles. It is 
time to clean house - starting with Reid and McNabb. They could be great 
business partners. Reid has a great rapport with drug?infused gun toting young 
men and?united with McNabb's upscale?line of urban ware all they need is a 
local gangster spokesman. I believe Beanie will not?presently be?burdened with 
grand theft auto charges.

Taint Philly great.

Ciao,

Craig?


-Original Message-
From: Karen Heenan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: UC univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 5:54 pm
Subject: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply




I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings about the
proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  Not from
anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our friendly neighborhood hotel
developer.  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail mail, so
he didn't get it from them.

I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my sending it
to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that it's
appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
to any comments we may have?

Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I clicked not
junk, MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe lists.
Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out that day.

Karen


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: Hi



 Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.

 Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I thought
 I'd respond.

 First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   That is,
 somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
 institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not have to
 drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have several
 such hotels.

 The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no meeting
 space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to shop on
 40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop owners on
 40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at The Last
 Word bookshop.

 Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 blocks of
 Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners of 90 of
 them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned properties but
 that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. I think
 the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more responisble)
 neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice cafes or
 restauarants might pop up!

 There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will come.
 Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.

 Best,

 Tom
 4244 Osage Ave



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Re: [UC] 40th Street Hotel letter - an interesting reply

2007-10-21 Thread Doc Baldy
Hi Karen,

 I don't think that it's appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from 
 residents to Mr. Lussenhop
 prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
 to any comments we may have?

Hopefully without taking sides in this issue.I'm curious about
your concern.  Why is it better to surprise the developer with your
concerns?  It seems to me that providing the developer with time to
consider your concerns allows him to more thoughtfully take them into
consideration.

Best,
Stephen


On 10/21/07, Karen Heenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I emailed a letter to the PHC on Friday setting forth my feelings about the
 proposed hotel.  On Friday evening, at 6:14, I got a response.  Not from
 anyone at the PHC, but from Tom Lussenhop, our friendly neighborhood hotel
 developer.  I didn't send my letter to Mr. Lussenhop, and while I cc'd my
 letter to the SHCA zoning committee, that letter went out by snail mail, so
 he didn't get it from them.

 I'm curious how he got a copy of my letter within 5 hours of my sending it
 to someone other than him.  Maybe it's me, but I don't think that it's
 appropriate for the PHC to forward letters from residents to Mr. Lussenhop
 prior to the hearing - isn't that giving him advance opportunity to respond
 to any comments we may have?

 Also, the letter ended up in my junk mail folder, and when I clicked not
 junk, MSN asked it I wanted to add that mailing list to my safe lists.
 Apparently my response was one of many that Mr. Lussenhop sent out that day.

 Karen


 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:14 PM
 Subject: Hi


 
  Tom Lussenhop here.  Your friendly neighborhood hotel developer.
 
  Since you took the time to offer some thoughtful comments, I thought
  I'd respond.
 
  First, the hotel I am proposing is an extended stay hotel.   That is,
  somewhere where the thousands of visitors to University City's
  institutions can stay for a 6 to 8 days (avergae stay) and not have to
  drive but can walk to the institutions.  Harvard and MIT have several
  such hotels.
 
  The hotel is more like an apartment building since there is no meeting
  space...just quiet rooms with kitchens.  Guests will be able to shop on
  40th Street, take the trolley to Center City etc.  The shop owners on
  40th Street love the project.  Talk, for example, to Larry at The Last
  Word bookshop.
 
  Second, there are 120 parcels located on the 3900 and 4000 blocks of
  Pine and Baltimore.  I have letters of support from the owners of 90 of
  them.  Of course they are overwhelmingly investor owned properties but
  that is the reality of this location and has been for 40 years. I think
  the hotel and restaurant cafe will introduce new (more responisble)
  neighbors to the area. Who knows?  Maybe even a couple of nice cafes or
  restauarants might pop up!
 
  There will be community meetings coming up and I hope you will come.
  Despite what you have read, there have been a lot of meetings.
 
  Best,
 
  Tom
  4244 Osage Ave
 

 
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