Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[Glenn]

- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "University City List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)




Glenn,

Framing someone is always nasty, but it is not intrinsically "arrogant". 
The word means something else. But enough copy-editing. On to the real 
facts ... the "timeline", as Ray is so fond of talking about.


Committeeman7, who appears to be responding to an email of yours somewhere 
down the line, posted his lie on UC-list at 9:12 am, inviting everybody to 
come to First Thursday and "bring their neighbors".


At 9:40 am, you, Glenn Moyer, enthusiastically responded and told all 
UC-list you intended to show up at First Thursday to demand an amplified 
list of explanations for this and that, from so-and-so and such-and-such.


If committeeman7 were *not* connected with you, the most that could be 
said is he knew you are a sucker for hostile public meeting opportunities. 
You have a track record of organizing throngs of people to show up at 
meetings so you can harangue various people you believe are engaged in a 
gigantic conspiracy against you and all we hold dear. So you jumped on 
this chance.


Even in that case -- and that's the kindest possible interpretation of the 
evidence in this event -- nobody else framed you, Glenn. You framed 
yourself. You yourself published what you intended to do with this false 
post. I don't know whether you knew it was false at the time or not. But I 
know what you intended to do with that false information, because you told 
all of us.


-- Tony West



Again Mr. West is accusing and insinuating that I had something to do with 
the committeman 7.  He is asserting that I have some evil and false 
intentions as he does quite regularly.


Fact:  Mr. West was the first one to immediately claim to discover the fraud 
of committeeman 7 and voteforandytoy.   The almost immediate:  FRAUD WARNING 
was the same in both cases.  In fact, this time only 7 hours passed from the 
committeeman 7 post until Mr. West's investigation was completed and posted 
on the list.


Fact: Mr West immediately launched an investigation and decided to contact 
the supposed victims.


Fact:  Mr. West immediately started offering conclusions about the likely 
perps.  It was the "listserv politics" and anti UCD people with 
voteforandytoy.  This time he repeatedly has insinuated that Ray and I were 
involved.


Fact:  Mr. West has out of control arrogance.  He said this of the 
propagandist:


Really, Glenn? I wouldn't describe committeeman7's style as "arrogant" in 
any way. Quite the contrary, it's plain and light. Very cleverly written, 
I think. It sounds natural and everyday. An artful trick.




Fact: Mr. West and others insinuate that this anonymous post was somehow 
done by a Blackwell supporter.  Absurdity, just like the absurdity of 
blaming the Toy pre-election post on UCD dissenters.


Fact Mr. West is an attendee of this meeting.  There is a relatively small 
group of people both on the list and so interested in this meeting .


Mr. West has made it clear that he will go to great lengths to assault his 
opponents character.  This is quite a trail of interesting occurences.  I 
know some folks believe that I should continue to allow Mr. West to make the 
kind of accusations in his above post yet not bring up this amazing series 
of occurences.


Nevertheless, Mr. West is at the center of these occurences each time.  I 
find that very interesting!











Glenn wrote:
Let me explain the arrogance of the poster.  The poster was trying to 
frame me.




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Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[Anthony West]

Glenn,

Framing someone is always nasty, but it is not intrinsically "arrogant". The 
word means something else. But enough copy-editing. On to the real facts ... 
the "timeline", as Ray is so fond of talking about.


Committeeman7, who appears to be responding to an email of yours somewhere 
down the line, posted his lie on UC-list at 9:12 am, inviting everybody to 
come to First Thursday and "bring their neighbors".


At 9:40 am, you, Glenn Moyer, enthusiastically responded and told all 
UC-list you intended to show up at First Thursday to demand an amplified 
list of explanations for this and that, from so-and-so and such-and-such.


If committeeman7 were *not* connected with you, the most that could be said 
is he knew you are a sucker for hostile public meeting opportunities. You 
have a track record of organizing throngs of people to show up at meetings 
so you can harangue various people you believe are engaged in a gigantic 
conspiracy against you and all we hold dear. So you jumped on this chance.


Even in that case -- and that's the kindest possible interpretation of the 
evidence in this event -- nobody else framed you, Glenn. You framed 
yourself. You yourself published what you intended to do with this false 
post. I don't know whether you knew it was false at the time or not. But I 
know what you intended to do with that false information, because you told 
all of us.


-- Tony West

Glenn wrote:
Let me explain the arrogance of the poster.  The poster was trying to 
frame me. 




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Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[Glenn]

- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "University City List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)



Really, Glenn? I wouldn't describe committeeman7's style as "arrogant" in 
any way. Quite the contrary, it's plain and light. Very cleverly written, 
I think. It sounds natural and everyday. An artful trick.


It actually doesn't sound like the way either Ray or you or I write, even 
when none of us are being arrogant. Which, without doubt, all three of us 
may be accused of justly at times.



No, I think you're incorrect about a couple of things.  It is not "very 
cleverly written" but I think it's a lot like your arrogant style of 
writing.


Let me explain the arrogance of the poster.  The poster was trying to frame 
me.  I have been very clear that I blame UCD policy and secrecy for recent 
media reports and not Councilwoman Blackwell or John Fenton.  The hubris of 
the poster shows as he tries to destroy my credibility, of course, but also 
make it look like I was trying to embarass the councilwoman too.


It's so good you contacted the councilwoman about this fraud and reported to 
the list.  You were also the one that discovered the voteforandytoy fraud, 
conducted an investigation, and reported on that too, weren't you? Please 
correct me if I'm wrong.  I am starting to think of you as always there 
Tony.


The hubris of that little scandal was that it was someone that clearly 
wanted to get out the Toy message but also point to "listserv politics" and 
dissenters as the most likely culprits.  You were the one that brought that 
report with those conclusions to the list, weren't you?  You got really mad 
at me when I challenged your conclusions on this list.  But don't you see 
how the poster was attempting two purposes, setting up misinformation while 
framing those he sees as enemies?   Mr Toy must have been pleased with you 
when you investigated the fraud.


So you see in both cases there is a hubris in the style as the writer is 
trying to frame others.  In my opinion, the poster is someone who thinks his 
writing is "very clever"  Framing me is one thing but making the attempt to 
make it appear that I was trying to embarass the Councilwoman goes over the 
top in view of my posts on this subject.  By the way, were Mr Bryan and 
Councilwoman Blackwell very pleased that you brought this to their attention 
so very very quickly?


Well, I know you are doing an investigation like good old UCD.  Do you still 
suspect that Ray is involved?

Here is what you said yesterday:

"Ray,

I think your original admission of complicity was plainer, if less discreet.
We'll let it stand."

You also said this, which makes it appear that you suspected all along that 
committeeman 7 was me:


"A marvelous propaganda tool for those who see "secret meetings"
and "stonewalls" everywhere, eh?"

I said, oh my gods, those ar my words, "secret meetings" and "stonewalls"  I 
thought, does Tony think committeeman 7 is me?  He's suggesting Ray is a 
conspirator, but those seem clearly to be my words. That's when the evidence 
came flowing in and the pack assembled as my guilt was proven.


It's no wonder folks started looking at me as a suspect after your fine 
reporting and analysis of likely culprits.  I wonder what Councilwoman 
Blackwell will think when she finds out that the poster also tried to frame 
me?


Mr West, keep up that first on the scene investigative reporting.  And as 
always, I look forward to your brilliant analysis uncovering the likely 
suspects before any one else even knows that there's been a fraud.  Some 
might wonder how does Tony manage to do that "very cleverly?"


Just wondering,
the real Glenn










I'm more concerned about the fact committeeman7 published a malicious, 
injurious lie on UC-list than whether he was arrogant or humble as he did 
so.


-- Tony West


----- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "University City List" 


Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have 
an update on the UCD investigation)



Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman 
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair 
or a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.


The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
inform your neighbors.



Above is the post from committeman 7.

Do we know 

RE: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[Kyle Cassidy]

doesn't take long for the recently vindicated to start pointing fingers without 
evidence does it?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn
Sent: Tue 6/5/2007 11:24 PM
To: Anthony West; University City List
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)
 
Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman 
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or 
a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
inform your neighbors.


Above is the post from committeman 7.

Do we know anyone on this list who likes to make false claims about others? 
Anyone who does so in an arrogant style similar to the fraudulent post?

Look below please.




- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "University City List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)


> Ray,
>
> I think your original admission of complicity was plainer, if less 
> discreet. We'll let it stand.
>
> First Thursday is not a forum at which any agency or association has ever 
> discussed any dirty linen, internal problems or PR troubles. If 
> committeeman7 had ever been to one (and textual evidence suggests he had), 
> he would be well aware of that. It is as inappropriate a venue for such 
> discussions as the ER at HUP would be, for example.
>
> The only clear intention of the poster was to mislead a large number of 
> unsuspecting UC-list readers to a room, early in the morning, where they 
> would be told the "update" they were expecting to get was not, in fact, to 
> be gotten. A marvelous propaganda tool for those who see "secret meetings" 
> and "stonewalls" everywhere, eh?
>
> You're right; this is the second, very cleverly worded fake post planted 
> on UC-list in the past few months, both intended to get UCD into trouble. 
> It seems likely they are at least connected. I have heard other rumors 
> about committeeman7, but I prefer to stay away from them as I do from the 
> whole Fentongate thing, because neither are my job to figure out. Let 
> those who pay the bill, order the work.
>
> I've never seen anything like this before. But surely there can be nothing 
> new under the sun. Does any other reader recall hearing about this sort of 
> net abuse elsewhere?
>
> -- Tony West
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "University City List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have 
> an update on the UCD investigation)
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>> Anthony West wrote:
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>>> Ah, Ray.
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>>> So you know the intentions of committeeman7's post. We must take it, 
>>> then, you are involved at least to some degree in this fraud; how else 
>>> would you know the intentions of the con artist?
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>> haha I didn't think I'd have to spell it out because I thought it was 
>> clear to any reader that one of the intentions of the committeeman7's 
>> post was to show us just how well ucd was handling its communication with 
>> the community about the fenton/malcolm x park incident. ie, NOT.
>>
>> which you then made crystal clear with your 'spokespersons ... 
>> categorically deny that any "update on the UCD's investigation" will be 
>> prepared or presented at the upcoming First Thursday meeting.'
>>
>> I'm wondering now if [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are the same 
>> genius.
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>> ps, welcome to the internets.
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Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[Anthony West]

Really, Glenn? I wouldn't describe committeeman7's style as "arrogant" in 
any way. Quite the contrary, it's plain and light. Very cleverly written, I 
think. It sounds natural and everyday. An artful trick.


It actually doesn't sound like the way either Ray or you or I write, even 
when none of us are being arrogant. Which, without doubt, all three of us 
may be accused of justly at times.


I'm more concerned about the fact committeeman7 published a malicious, 
injurious lie on UC-list than whether he was arrogant or humble as he did 
so.


-- Tony West


- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "University City List" 


Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)



Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman 
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair 
or a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.


The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
inform your neighbors.



Above is the post from committeman 7.

Do we know anyone on this list who likes to make false claims about 
others? Anyone who does so in an arrogant style similar to the fraudulent 
post?




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[Glenn]

Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman 
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or 
a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.


The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
inform your neighbors.



Above is the post from committeman 7.

Do we know anyone on this list who likes to make false claims about others? 
Anyone who does so in an arrogant style similar to the fraudulent post?


Look below please.




- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "University City List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)




Ray,

I think your original admission of complicity was plainer, if less 
discreet. We'll let it stand.


First Thursday is not a forum at which any agency or association has ever 
discussed any dirty linen, internal problems or PR troubles. If 
committeeman7 had ever been to one (and textual evidence suggests he had), 
he would be well aware of that. It is as inappropriate a venue for such 
discussions as the ER at HUP would be, for example.


The only clear intention of the poster was to mislead a large number of 
unsuspecting UC-list readers to a room, early in the morning, where they 
would be told the "update" they were expecting to get was not, in fact, to 
be gotten. A marvelous propaganda tool for those who see "secret meetings" 
and "stonewalls" everywhere, eh?


You're right; this is the second, very cleverly worded fake post planted 
on UC-list in the past few months, both intended to get UCD into trouble. 
It seems likely they are at least connected. I have heard other rumors 
about committeeman7, but I prefer to stay away from them as I do from the 
whole Fentongate thing, because neither are my job to figure out. Let 
those who pay the bill, order the work.


I've never seen anything like this before. But surely there can be nothing 
new under the sun. Does any other reader recall hearing about this sort of 
net abuse elsewhere?


-- Tony West

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From: "UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "University City List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have 
an update on the UCD investigation)




Anthony West wrote:


Ah, Ray.

So you know the intentions of committeeman7's post. We must take it, 
then, you are involved at least to some degree in this fraud; how else 
would you know the intentions of the con artist?



haha I didn't think I'd have to spell it out because I thought it was 
clear to any reader that one of the intentions of the committeeman7's 
post was to show us just how well ucd was handling its communication with 
the community about the fenton/malcolm x park incident. ie, NOT.


which you then made crystal clear with your 'spokespersons ... 
categorically deny that any "update on the UCD's investigation" will be 
prepared or presented at the upcoming First Thursday meeting.'


I'm wondering now if [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are the same 
genius.


ps, welcome to the internets.



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[Anthony West]

Ray,

I think your original admission of complicity was plainer, if less discreet. 
We'll let it stand.


First Thursday is not a forum at which any agency or association has ever 
discussed any dirty linen, internal problems or PR troubles. If 
committeeman7 had ever been to one (and textual evidence suggests he had), 
he would be well aware of that. It is as inappropriate a venue for such 
discussions as the ER at HUP would be, for example.


The only clear intention of the poster was to mislead a large number of 
unsuspecting UC-list readers to a room, early in the morning, where they 
would be told the "update" they were expecting to get was not, in fact, to 
be gotten. A marvelous propaganda tool for those who see "secret meetings" 
and "stonewalls" everywhere, eh?


You're right; this is the second, very cleverly worded fake post planted on 
UC-list in the past few months, both intended to get UCD into trouble. It 
seems likely they are at least connected. I have heard other rumors about 
committeeman7, but I prefer to stay away from them as I do from the whole 
Fentongate thing, because neither are my job to figure out. Let those who 
pay the bill, order the work.


I've never seen anything like this before. But surely there can be nothing 
new under the sun. Does any other reader recall hearing about this sort of 
net abuse elsewhere?


-- Tony West

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From: "UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "University City List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)




Anthony West wrote:


Ah, Ray.

So you know the intentions of committeeman7's post. We must take it, 
then, you are involved at least to some degree in this fraud; how else 
would you know the intentions of the con artist?



haha I didn't think I'd have to spell it out because I thought it was 
clear to any reader that one of the intentions of the committeeman7's post 
was to show us just how well ucd was handling its communication with the 
community about the fenton/malcolm x park incident. ie, NOT.


which you then made crystal clear with your 'spokespersons ... 
categorically deny that any "update on the UCD's investigation" will be 
prepared or presented at the upcoming First Thursday meeting.'


I'm wondering now if [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are the same 
genius.


ps, welcome to the internets.



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[Glenn]

- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "University City List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an 
update on the UCD investigation)




Ah, Ray.

So you know the intentions of committeeman7's post. We must take it, then, 
you are involved at least to some degree in this fraud; how else would you 
know the intentions of the con artist?


-- Tony West




Yo Tony dude.  The gang has pinned the fraudulent post on me!  You can stop 
trying to implicate Ray.


How did the investigation of the Andy Toy affair turn out?

I've got to hand it to you, dude!  You were the first dude to point out the 
fraudulent Toy post and the first one to point out this fraud too.  Do you 
know, Sanderson?  While you were investigating Ray in this fraud, Sanderson 
caught me!!


The two of you are some brilliant fucking detectives!!  It's good that 
even though your style is like the con posts, you are so much smarter than 
the con artists.


Really pissed,

Glenn Moyer who never makes anonymous or fraudulent posts







Anthony West wrote:
Spokespersons for the Community Relations Office of Penn (which runs 
First Thursday meetings), for the University City District, and for 
Councilwoman Blackwell's office all categorically deny that any "update 
on the UCD's investigation" will be prepared or presented at the 
upcoming First Thursday meeting.
 The anonymous post below is false and should be presumed to have 
fraudulent and deceitful intent.
 The major focus of the agenda, which has been mailed to all association 
organizers, is on health care issues, said Glenn Bryant, director of the 
Community Relations Office.





Ray wrote:
now look what you've done. you've gone and validated one of the 
intentions of committeeman7's post.




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Anthony West wrote:


Ah, Ray.

So you know the intentions of committeeman7's post. We must take it, 
then, you are involved at least to some degree in this fraud; how else 
would you know the intentions of the con artist?



haha I didn't think I'd have to spell it out because I 
thought it was clear to any reader that one of the 
intentions of the committeeman7's post was to show us just 
how well ucd was handling its communication with the 
community about the fenton/malcolm x park incident. ie, NOT.


which you then made crystal clear with your 'spokespersons 
... categorically deny that any "update on the UCD's 
investigation" will be prepared or presented at the upcoming 
First Thursday meeting.'


I'm wondering now if [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
are the same genius.


ps, welcome to the internets.



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Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[Anthony West]

Ah, Ray.

So you know the intentions of committeeman7's post. We must take it, then, 
you are involved at least to some degree in this fraud; how else would you 
know the intentions of the con artist?


-- Tony West


Anthony West wrote:
Spokespersons for the Community Relations Office of Penn (which runs 
First Thursday meetings), for the University City District, and for 
Councilwoman Blackwell's office all categorically deny that any "update 
on the UCD's investigation" will be prepared or presented at the upcoming 
First Thursday meeting.
 The anonymous post below is false and should be presumed to have 
fraudulent and deceitful intent.
 The major focus of the agenda, which has been mailed to all association 
organizers, is on health care issues, said Glenn Bryant, director of the 
Community Relations Office.





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now look what you've done. you've gone and validated one of the intentions 
of committeeman7's post.




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Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN]

Anthony West wrote:
Spokespersons for the Community Relations Office of Penn (which runs 
First Thursday meetings), for the University City District, and for 
Councilwoman Blackwell's office all categorically deny that any "update 
on the UCD's investigation" will be prepared or presented at the 
upcoming First Thursday meeting.
 
The anonymous post below is false and should be presumed to 
have fraudulent and deceitful intent.
 
The major focus of the agenda, which has been mailed to all association 
organizers, is on health care issues, said Glenn Bryant, director of the 
Community Relations Office.




now look what you've done. you've gone and validated one of 
the intentions of committeeman7's post.




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Re: FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[John Ellingsworth]

What is the First Thursday meeting?  Is it open to the public?

Regards,

John Ellingsworth

Anthony West wrote:

Spokespersons for the Community Relations Office of Penn (which runs First Thursday 
meetings), for the University City District, and for Councilwoman Blackwell's office all 
categorically deny that any "update on the UCD's investigation" will be 
prepared or presented at the upcoming First Thursday meeting.

The anonymous post below is false and should be presumed to have fraudulent and 
deceitful intent.

The major focus of the agenda, which has been mailed to all association 
organizers, is on health care issues, said Glenn Bryant, director of the 
Community Relations Office.

-- Tony West
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  To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:12 AM

  Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD 
investigation



  Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman Jannie 
Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or a 
political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

  The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
inform your neighbors.

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FRAUDULENT POST (Was: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation)

[Anthony West]

Spokespersons for the Community Relations Office of Penn (which runs First 
Thursday meetings), for the University City District, and for Councilwoman 
Blackwell's office all categorically deny that any "update on the UCD's 
investigation" will be prepared or presented at the upcoming First Thursday 
meeting.

The anonymous post below is false and should be presumed to have fraudulent and 
deceitful intent.

The major focus of the agenda, which has been mailed to all association 
organizers, is on health care issues, said Glenn Bryant, director of the 
Community Relations Office.

-- Tony West
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:12 AM
  Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD 
investigation



  Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman Jannie 
Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or a 
political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

  The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
inform your neighbors.

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Re: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation

[Ross Bender]

On 6/5/07, Elizabeth F Campion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Bill, I still think you are stretching to assign emotion and (small a)
"agenda" to a post that was in my opinion a helpful reminder of a meeting
and otherwise harmless.



Stuff it, Liz. Anonymous letters are anonymous letters and only assholes
write anonymous letters. "Helpful reminder" my Aunt Fanny.

In the beginning Jeff created this list and in his wisdom saw fit not to
moderate it, sort of like the God of the Deists. That means we are a
self-regulating mechanism. We can't evict jerks, we can't ban flaming
trolls, and we can't have a divine moderator screen out the anonymous crap.
But we can, in overt and subtle ways, tell them to go shtup themselves.

Certainly the lowest form of pond scum, lower even than the trolls, are
those who refuse to sign their posts, and you, Liz, should know better and
excoriate them with the rest of us.


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Re: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation

[Elizabeth F Campion]

Can the official - planned Agenda, in its current entirety, neutral or
otherwise, be posted to the list.
It might help possible contributors triage this meeting above others.
Lurkers please step up.


Bill, I still think you are stretching to assign emotion and (small a)
"agenda" to a post that was in my opinion a helpful reminder of a meeting
and otherwise harmless.

Best!
Liz


On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:28:42 -0400 "Bill Sanderson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Most people in political positions seem to want their name out there at
all times, in my observation.
 
I’ll concede that perhaps the purported “committeeman” might not want
Councilwoman Blackwell to be aware of who posted this message—perhaps all
the more reason to have simply stuck with the facts, and described the
agenda in a neutral fashion.
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth F Campion
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:47 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD
investigation
 
 
Could the post be from a local "Committeeman" maybe of District 7?
Personally, I prefer a full "signature" and disclosure of potential
conflicts of interest, but if this was written by a Committeeman, he may
think he provided sufficient ID and maybe he just forgot to sign.
 
This is one of the least "loaded" of the recent posts.
Better grammar could have made the Councilwoman's position more clear,
but than you'd probably call it even more loaded.
 
While I rarely have time to attend meetings, I am always happy to be
invited to community meetings and to have a sense of what might be
included on the Agenda.  And I am grateful to the writer and thank him
for the notice.
 
And so, I see your chide and raise it.
:-)
 
Meanwhile, thanks for your other recent posts, 
helpful regarding backup
funny regarding Lew Mellman's dog.
 
Best!
Liz
 
 
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:20:36 -0400 "Bill Sanderson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
This anonymous post is typical of the tactics of a few on this list.  It
pretends to be a simple objective announcement, while using
loaded/slanted descriptions of the events mentioned.
 
You (the poster) should be ashamed of yourself—grow up,  stop playing
these games.  
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:13 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD
investigation
 

Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair
or a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please
inform your neighbors.



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RE: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation

[Bill Sanderson]

Most people in political positions seem to want their name out there at all
times, in my observation.

 

I'll concede that perhaps the purported "committeeman" might not want
Councilwoman Blackwell to be aware of who posted this message-perhaps all
the more reason to have simply stuck with the facts, and described the
agenda in a neutral fashion.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Elizabeth F Campion
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:47 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD
investigation

 

 

Could the post be from a local "Committeeman" maybe of District 7?

Personally, I prefer a full "signature" and disclosure of potential
conflicts of interest, but if this was written by a Committeeman, he may
think he provided sufficient ID and maybe he just forgot to sign.

 

This is one of the least "loaded" of the recent posts.

Better grammar could have made the Councilwoman's position more clear, but
than you'd probably call it even more loaded.

 

While I rarely have time to attend meetings, I am always happy to be invited
to community meetings and to have a sense of what might be included on the
Agenda.  And I am grateful to the writer and thank him for the notice.

 

And so, I see your chide and raise it.

:-)

 

Meanwhile, thanks for your other recent posts, 

helpful regarding backup

funny regarding Lew Mellman's dog.

 

Best!

Liz

 

 

On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:20:36 -0400 "Bill Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:

This anonymous post is typical of the tactics of a few on this list.  It
pretends to be a simple objective announcement, while using loaded/slanted
descriptions of the events mentioned.

 

You (the poster) should be ashamed of yourself-grow up,  stop playing these
games.  

 


  _  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:13 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD
investigation

 


Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or
a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please
inform your neighbors.


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Re: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation

[Elizabeth F Campion]

Could the post be from a local "Committeeman" maybe of District 7?
Personally, I prefer a full "signature" and disclosure of potential
conflicts of interest, but if this was written by a Committeeman, he may
think he provided sufficient ID and maybe he just forgot to sign.

This is one of the least "loaded" of the recent posts.
Better grammar could have made the Councilwoman's position more clear,
but than you'd probably call it even more loaded.

While I rarely have time to attend meetings, I am always happy to be
invited to community meetings and to have a sense of what might be
included on the Agenda.  And I am grateful to the writer and thank him
for the notice.

And so, I see your chide and raise it.
:-)

Meanwhile, thanks for your other recent posts, 
helpful regarding backup
funny regarding Lew Mellman's dog.

Best!
Liz


On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:20:36 -0400 "Bill Sanderson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
This anonymous post is typical of the tactics of a few on this list.  It
pretends to be a simple objective announcement, while using
loaded/slanted descriptions of the events mentioned.
 
You (the poster) should be ashamed of yourself—grow up,  stop playing
these games.  
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:13 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD
investigation
 

Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair
or a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please
inform your neighbors.



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RE: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation

[Bill Sanderson]

This anonymous post is typical of the tactics of a few on this list.  It
pretends to be a simple objective announcement, while using loaded/slanted
descriptions of the events mentioned.

 

You (the poster) should be ashamed of yourself-grow up,  stop playing these
games.  

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:13 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD
investigation

 


Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman
Jannie Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or
a political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please
inform your neighbors.

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Re: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation

[Glenn]

Dear Committeman 7,

Will Maureen Rush be there to give disclosure concerning the involvement of the 
Office of Public Safety concerning these reports?  I would like to see all 
information about any internal process which transfers community service to 
UCD.  I would also like to learn about the process that occurs when the Penn 
Police transfer individuals to Community Court.

Thanks for your help and I look forward to the Thurday meeting. 

Sincerely,
Glenn Moyer
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  To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:12 AM
  Subject: [UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD 
investigation



  Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman Jannie 
Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or a 
political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

  The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
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[UC] First Thursday Meeting will have an update on the UCD investigation

[committeeman7]

Come to the First Thursday meeting at the Walnut Street Library, 40th and 
Walnut Street for an update on the UCD's investigation into Councilwoman Jannie 
Blackwell's claim that she asked UCD for help at a community fair or a 
political rally for Tom Knox. This should be interesting.

The meeting starts at 8:00am and a light breakfast will be served. Please 
inform your neighbors.

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