Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread Michael Herger

   Extracting Update...tar: write error: No space left on device
   sh: write error: No space left on device
   File Extraction FAILED.exiting!


You need to expand your filesystem. Or figure out why you run out of 
disk space?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] Announce piCorePlayer 3.20

2017-11-03 Thread hankmarvin

Mnyb wrote: 
> What is the HD format ext3 ntfs fat32 ?
> 
> If you login to the PI via SSH and run ls-la command on apropriate
> places in the file structures ? what do you see ?


it's ntfs. I'll try that



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

_NK_ wrote: 
> yes but since LMS@pcp is "fairly" new and since -like observed- music
> playing is not affected then maybe something like this could have gone
> unnoticed 
March 2016 cannot be considered new.  It's possible that has gone
unnotriced but the developers are experienced and then there are plenty
are non Linux users who remark at the smallest oddity as well as experts
who want to tweak it every way possible. 

wireshark would be my normal next level of debugging - but it is not
something that can be used remotely.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

Xilinx reset is a good step to take whenver odd behaviour happens.  It
does not harm.   Even though the problem affects TRasnproter and Radio -
I was think perhaps one device is messing up the netwrok for the second.

true xilinx reset has cleared strange behaviour with the TP and a Boom
in the past several times for me  too


Nothing immediatel springs to mind - need to think what is possible.


I don't think so.  There are plenty of pcp LMS users and they don't have
the problem so that would make more likely a local issue -  either
configuration/setup or network. 

yes but since LMS@pcp is "fairly" new and since -like observed- music
playing is not affected then maybe something like this could have gone
unnoticed 


It is confusing that players seem to not "see" some LMS replies or
replies from players are being dropped - yet manage to play music non
stop.  

Just to confirm - the other squeezeplay/suqeezelite are separate players
from the pcp LMS system ?


-one squeezelite in the pcp server (stopped to ease troubleshooting as
suggested)

-one squeezeplay (Ralphy's) was installed on my win7-pc just a couple of
hours ago to see how it would behave with the pcp/lms server..worked
perfectly but I did not do lengthy testing
-one squeezelite (Rdawson's) lovely Squeezelitetray wa installed on the
same pc for the same purpose and to see what it was about. worked
perfectly but with no lenthy testing also.

both win7pc software players were then "powered off and exited"



Have you swapped switches to see if problem follow the switch ?  I had a
switch which became unreliable and would partially work - some packets
would get through and some wouldn't.

yes swapped cables and switches since I've had such failure as you
described in the past as well..some ports would "semi-work" when things
got a bit warmer in the summertime.


Nikos



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

_NK_ wrote: 
> ok now things make more sense...just xilinx-ed the Transporter..no
> change..afaik there's no xilinx reset for the Radio..went ahead and
> issued a factory reset..will have more time to watch Radio's behaviour
> tomorrow
Xilinx reset is a good step to take whenver odd behaviour happens.  It
does not harm.   Even though the problem affects TRasnproter and Radio -
I was think perhaps one device is messing up the netwrok for the
second.

> should I up the logging level of some other protocol or slimproto is
> enough?
Nothing immediatel springs to mind - need to think what is possible.

>  do these findings so far point more likely to a 7.9.1 bug or? 
I don't think so.  There are plenty of pcp LMS users and they don't have
the problem so that would make more likely a local issue -  either
configuration/setup or network. 

It is confusing that players seem to not "see" some LMS replies or
replies from players are being dropped - yet manage to play music non
stop.  

Have you swapped switches to see if problem follow the switch ?  I had a
switch which became unreliable and would partially work - some packets
would get through and some wouldn't.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

I would rather think something's fishy with your network or network
config in PCP. As I see it (without looking at the zip), every clients
dropping connections (including squeezelite), that is weird.

squeezelite seems quite solid.what do you see? 

I understand PCP/LMS/Squeezelite is at 192.168.0.10?
Would you shut down that machine, and then try to ping 192.168.0.10. I
wonder if someone might still respond.

did that just now cause you had me alarmed for a min but now with pcp
down pinging .10 results in request timeout



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

_NK_ wrote: 
> Thank you Paul I will go ahead and do so right now
> 
> Nikos


failed: 


Code:


  
  tc@piCorePlayer:~$ sudo lms-update.sh -u -r
  
  
  ###
  
  
  This script will update the Logitech Media Server extension
  
  
  usage: /usr/local/bin/lms-update.sh [-u] [-d] [-m] [-r] [-s] [-t]
  -u Unattended Execution
  -d Debug, Temp files not erased
  -m Manual download Link Check for LMS update
  -r Reload LMS after Update
  -s Skip Update from GitHub
  -t Test building, but do not move extension to tce directory
  --mm  Force the version you want to update. (eg 7.9.1)
  
  
  Unattended Operation Enabled
  
  
  Automatic Reload Enabled
  ###
  
  
  Press Enter to continue, or Ctrl-c to exit and change options
  Updateing Script from Github...
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.16.133:443)
  lms-update.sh100% |***| 13190   0:00:00 
ETA
  Relaunching Script in 3 seconds
  Updateing Slimserver customizations from Github...
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.16.133:443)
  custom-strings.txt   100% |***|  1180   0:00:00 
ETA
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.112.133:443)
  picore-update.html   100% |***|  1240   0:00:00 
ETA
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.16.133:443)
  Custom.pm100% |***|  2732   0:00:00 
ETA
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.16.133:443)
  slimserver   100% |***|  3764   0:00:00 
ETA
  
  
  No update link found.   THis either means that there is no update, or you do 
not have automatic update
  checks and automatic downloads enabled in the LMS settings.
  
  
  If you would like to manually check for updates using a static update check, 
please relaunch this script
  using the -m command line switch
  
  
  DONE
  
  
  




then used -m switch :


Code:

tc@piCorePlayer:~$ sudo lms-update.sh -u -m -r
  
  ###
  
  
  This script will update the Logitech Media Server extension
  
  
  usage: /usr/local/bin/lms-update.sh [-u] [-d] [-m] [-r] [-s] [-t]
  -u Unattended Execution
  -d Debug, Temp files not erased
  -m Manual download Link Check for LMS update
  -r Reload LMS after Update
  -s Skip Update from GitHub
  -t Test building, but do not move extension to tce directory
  --mm  Force the version you want to update. (eg 7.9.1)
  
  
  Unattended Operation Enabled
  Manual Download Link Check Enabled
  Automatic Reload Enabled
  ###
  
  
  Press Enter to continue, or Ctrl-c to exit and change options
  Updateing Script from Github...
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.112.133:443)
  lms-update.sh100% |***| 13190   0:00:00 
ETA
  Relaunching Script in 3 seconds
  Updateing Slimserver customizations from Github...
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.16.133:443)
  custom-strings.txt   100% |***|  1180   0:00:00 
ETA
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.16.133:443)
  picore-update.html   100% |***|  1240   0:00:00 
ETA
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.16.133:443)
  Custom.pm100% |***|  2732   0:00:00 
ETA
  Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (151.101.112.133:443)
  slimserver   100% |***|  3764   0:00:00 
ETA
  Performing manual check for update link, Current Version is: 7.9.1 
r1505480690.
  Connecting to www.mysqueezebox.com (54.246.73.168:80)
  tmp.6uZzhJ   100% |***|   104   0:00:00 
ETA
  
  
  Downloading update from 
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/7.9/sc/c558cb2/logitechmediaserver-7.9.1-1509357021-noCPAN.tgz
  Connecting to downloads.slimdevices.com (54.192.230.245:80)
  logitechmediaserver- 100% |***| 18695k  0:00:00 
ETA
  Downloading required extension squashfs-tools.tcz
  
  
  Downloading: squashfs-tools.tcz
  Connecting to repo.tinycorelinux.net (89.22.99.37:80)
  squashfs-tools.tcz   100% |***|   104k  0:00:00 
ETA
  squashfs-tools.tcz: OK
  
  
  Updating from /tmp/slimupdate/logitechmediaserver-7.9.1-1509357021-noCPAN.tgz
  
  
  Extracting Update...tar: write error: No space left on device
  sh: write error: No space left on device
  File Extraction FAILED.exiting!
  tc@piCorePlayer:~$
  
  
  




tried a resize fs:

23956


Paul is this normal?

Nikos


+---+
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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread epoch1970

_NK_ wrote: 
> do these findings so far point more likely to a 7.9.1 bug or?
I would rather think something's fishy with your network or network
config in PCP. As I see it (without looking at the zip), every clients
dropping connections (including squeezelite), that is weird.

I understand PCP/LMS/Squeezelite is at 192.168.0.10?
Would you shut down that machine, and then try to ping 192.168.0.10. I
wonder if someone might still respond.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

paul- wrote: 
> The update in the web page takes some time to complete, depending on
> your download speed, and rpi. (Single vs Multiple Core), it appears as
> if nothing is happening.  If you want, you can open an ssh session, and
> then run the update manually
> 
> sudo lms-update.sh -u -r
> 
> You can see the script running that way.


Thank you Paul I will go ahead and do so right now

Nikos



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

bpa wrote: 
> When playing music older SB player (i.e. Transport, Boom, Receiver) has
> two connections 
> 1. Slimproto
> 2. Music over a http
> 
> With your problem players - the slimproto connection is being closed and
> reopened repeatedly by the player and LMS treats the open/close as a
> "glitch" and doesn't reinitialise the "client" datastructure as trhe
> connection is remade quickly (i.e. client forget timer of 300 secs does
> not expire) - so this is your "black hole"
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > 17-11-03 16:09:19.0899] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::client_readable (425) 
half-close from client: 192.168.0.230:49843
  > [17-11-03 16:09:19.0908] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close (247) 
connection closed
  > [17-11-03 16:09:19.0926] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close (284) 
setting timer to forget client in 300 secs
  > [17-11-03 16:09:23.6918] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept 
(191) Accepted connection from: [192.168.0.230:49846]
  > [17-11-03 16:09:23.6927] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept 
(194) Setting timer in 5 seconds to close bogus connection
  > [17-11-03 16:09:23.7045] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler (926) 
Killing bogus player timer.
  > [17-11-03 16:09:23.7058] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler (968) 
Squeezebox says hello:  Deviceid: 9 revision: 0 mac: 00:04:20:2d:71:9c uuid: 
ab791124ae0437fbc7cc1d23f1c7aad6 bitmapped: 0 reconnect: 0 wlan_channellist: 
 lang: EN  bytes_received: 0  capabilities: Model=baby,ModelName=Squeezebox 
Radio,Firmware=7.7.3-r16676,Rhap,alc,wma,wmap,wmal,aac,spt,ogg,flc,aif,pcm,mp3,MaxSampleRate=48000,AccuratePlayPoints,spdr,Spdirect=spotify,ImmediateCrossfade,test,Rtmp=2,Proxy=192.168.0.230:9001
  > [17-11-03 16:09:23.7069] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler (1157) 
Hello from existing client: 00:04:20:2d:71:9c on ipport: 192.168.0.230:49846
  > 

> > 
> 
> So LMS is not disconnecting but the players seems to close the
> slimproto connections to LMS and then very quickly make a request to
> reconnect. Strangely, at the same time the http music connection does
> not seem to have been closed but more logging would be needed to be
> sure.
> 
> Have you tried Xilinx reset of the players ?

ok now things make more sense...just xilinx-ed the Transporter..no
change..afaik there's no xilinx reset for the Radio..went ahead and
issued a factory reset..will have more time to watch Radio's behaviour
tomorrow

should I up the logging level of some other protocol or slimproto is
enough?

do these findings so far point more likely to a 7.9.1 bug or?

thanks for your assistance on this bpa


cheers 

Nikos



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread paul-

_NK_ wrote: 
> 
> - another thing is lms version. upon hitting check for lms updates in
> lms gui  it shows a new version available. (7.9.1-1509357021-noCPAN)
> My current lms version is  v7.9.1, 1505480690. Trying to update lms
> through pcp gui does not seem to do anything, is there a specific
> procedure to follow?
> 

The update in the web page takes some time to complete, depending on
your download speed, and rpi. (Single vs Multiple Core), it appears as
if nothing is happening.  If you want, you can open an ssh session, and
then run the update manually

sudo lms-update.sh -u -r

You can see the script running that way.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

When playing music older SB player (i.e. Transport, Boom, Receiver)  has
two connections 
1. Slimproto
2. Music over a http

With your problem players - the slimproto connection is being closed and
reopened repeatedly by the player and LMS treats the open/close as a
"glitch" and doesn't reinitialise the "client" datastructure as trhe
connection is remade quickly (i.e. client forget timer of 300 secs does
not expire) - so this is your "black hole"

Code:


  17-11-03 16:09:19.0899] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::client_readable (425) 
half-close from client: 192.168.0.230:49843
  [17-11-03 16:09:19.0908] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close (247) 
connection closed
  [17-11-03 16:09:19.0926] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close (284) 
setting timer to forget client in 300 secs
  [17-11-03 16:09:23.6918] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept (191) 
Accepted connection from: [192.168.0.230:49846]
  [17-11-03 16:09:23.6927] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept (194) 
Setting timer in 5 seconds to close bogus connection
  [17-11-03 16:09:23.7045] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler (926) 
Killing bogus player timer.
  [17-11-03 16:09:23.7058] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler (968) 
Squeezebox says hello:  Deviceid: 9 revision: 0 mac: 00:04:20:2d:71:9c uuid: 
ab791124ae0437fbc7cc1d23f1c7aad6 bitmapped: 0 reconnect: 0 wlan_channellist: 
 lang: EN  bytes_received: 0  capabilities: Model=baby,ModelName=Squeezebox 
Radio,Firmware=7.7.3-r16676,Rhap,alc,wma,wmap,wmal,aac,spt,ogg,flc,aif,pcm,mp3,MaxSampleRate=48000,AccuratePlayPoints,spdr,Spdirect=spotify,ImmediateCrossfade,test,Rtmp=2,Proxy=192.168.0.230:9001
  [17-11-03 16:09:23.7069] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler (1157) 
Hello from existing client: 00:04:20:2d:71:9c on ipport: 192.168.0.230:49846
  



So LMS is not disconnecting but the players seems to close the slimproto
connections to LMS and then very quickly make a request to reconnect. 
Strangely, at the same time the http music connection does not seem to
have been closed but more logging would be needed to be sure.

Have you tried Xilinx reset of the players ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

Obscuring MAC addresses is not usual - it is not a great safety measure
since Mac address can be spoofed very easily.  But if you deciode to
obscure - do it everywhere and in equally (i.e. edit using a global
replace) but leave enough to faciltitate debugging (i.e leave last
digits not first as they are more likely to be unique ) - the
application of "***" in some places and leaving trhe same MAC address
unbscured in other places was just odd and why I didn't think it was
done by a user.

I see your point and I stand corrected 

Rather than fragments of results - can you summarise what is / is not
working.

fragments? hm yes sure

Each player has three aspects 
1. Controllable by OrangeSqueeze
2. Ability to play Music.
3. Visible on LMS Web UI.

ok one more time

1. _both_ players are perfectly controllable by OSq apart from the
black-hole-window (~5sec duration) during which the Radio appears to
fall off the available-players-list in the OSq gui,  yet this
falling-off does _not_ affect whatever radio stream or spotify stream
the Radio is playing during that hiccup. 

2.Like mentioned numerous times both players play perfectly 

3.Both players are visible on lms gui normally with no "obvious" signs
of something being wrong

Can you summarise the status of each player against these three.
What are you playing files or internet streams ?

no local files. internet streams + spotify only.  flawless playback



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

_NK_ wrote: 
> trying squeezeplay as well as the new squeezelitetray app on my win7 pc
> connected to said pcp/lms also works flawlessly

Obscuring MAC addresses is not usual - it is not a great safety measure
since Mac address can be spoofed very easily.  But if you deciode to
obscure - do it everywhere and in equally (i.e. edit using a global
replace) but leave enough to faciltitate debugging (i.e leave last
digits not first as they are more likely to be unique ) - the
application of "***" in some places and leaving trhe same MAC address
unbscured in other places was just odd and why I didn't think it was
done by a user.

Rather than fragments of results - can you summarise what is / is not
working.

Each player has three aspects 
1. Controllable by OrangeSqueeze
2. Ability to play Music.
3. Visible on LMS Web UI.

Can you summarise the status of each player against these three.
What are you playing files or internet streams ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

bpa wrote: 
> Thanks for letting me waste time by not saying you did that in the
> beginning.
> 
> omission on my part but I would expect this to be common practice, no?
> 
> No "bogus" message is "Normal" but I was confused by the "***" and the
> associated UUID being zero. 
> 
> Please give me a clean log - it is necessary to match message with MAC. 
> 
> plz see new attached
> 
> With a bit if guesswork because the Mac addresses were obsucred and I
> could be mixuing up two or more players.  It looks like there is only
> player playting OK but all the other players are not seeing the replies
> from LMS and so keep trying to communicste with LMS.
> 
> 
> only 2 players in total the Radio and the Transporter (squeezelite from
> pcp was stopped as suggested) and they both play fine (would this lack
> of music dropouts be caused by having full buffers?) 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you have a simple network (e.g. a single router and all device on
> same sub net with no VLANs) or do you have something more complicated
> possibly with mulitple routers/switch/VLANs/subnets etc.

simple clean 1 router 1 switch no vlans no qos 24 bit network no extra
subnets 

trying squeezeplay as well as the new squeezelitetray app on my win7 pc
connected to said pcp/lms also works flawlessly

cheers

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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

_NK_ wrote: 
> indeed replaced some to protect the innocent but then I saw there were
> all around in different places and did not go on with the replacing.
> > > > 
> > by strange you mean the kill bogus player from the radio that keeps
> > restasblishing a new connection on different ports?
> > > > 
> 
> No "bogus" message is "Normal" but I was confused by the "***" and the
> associated UUID being zero. 
> 
> Please give me a clean log - it is necessary to match message with
> MAC.  
> 
> With a bit if guesswork because the Mac addresses were obsucred and I
> could be mixuing up two or more players.  It looks like there is only
> player playting OK but all the other players are not seeing the
> replies from LMS and so keep trying to communicste with LMS.
> 
> Do you have a simple network (e.g. a single router and all device on
> same sub net with no VLANs) or do you have something more complicated
> possibly with mulitple routers/switch/VLANs/subnets etc.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

indeed replaced some to protect the innocent but then I saw there were
all around in different places and did not go on with the replacing.

by strange you mean the kill bogus player from the radio that keeps
restasblishing a new connection on different ports?


I don't see the Transporter doing that in the logs and upon further
investigation the newer findings are:

-The Radio does bounce in & out of OrangeSqueeze as mentioned. Music
plays fine, spotify ok
-Transporter does *not* appear to bounce like that when both are
observed through OrangeSqueeze
-Transporter keeps clicking as in losing connection but it's really
rapid (the offline/online transition) and maybe that's why the displays
do not have enough time to register this state transition
-Transporter clicking happens *only* while Trasnporter is "on and
stand-by" or "off". 
-No clicking during playback. Music ok spotify ok

-a "ps" shows a solid process id for lms so no lms restarting it seems

-dmesg shows nothing "ovbiously odd" at least in my eyes

-an ifconfig shows strangely(?)some -not many- dropouts in the line.
No overruns no errors all rest is 0. Everything is wired like I said no
hubs, only switches. how can I check the exact statistics negotiations
of rpi's ethernet port? dmesg showed normal behaviour 100 full duplex

- another thing is lms version. upon hitting check for lms updates in
lms gui  it shows a new version available. (7.9.1-1509357021-noCPAN)
My current lms version is  v7.9.1, 1505480690. Trying to update lms
through pcp gui does not seem to do anything, is there a specific
procedure to follow?

Thanks 

Nikos



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

_NK_ wrote: 
> @bpa
> 
> log attached I appreciate your taking the time to look into it

There are a few odd things but first please confirm you have not
modified the log in any way such as replacing Mac addresses by "**"



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

@bpa

log attached I appreciate your taking the time to look into it

@Mnyb

nah I've been lurking way too many years to not know these caveats by
now lol

Nikos


+---+
|Filename: server.zip   |
|Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23951|
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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] BitPerfect

2017-11-03 Thread Mnyb

steff wrote: 
> Regarding jitter, since almost all DACs today are internally reclocked,
> it should not be a matter of the source\streamer.
> 
> Correct?

Not really , and the levels of jitter claimed in most data for almost
anything is still 1000' of timesbelow whats considered audible ..
So even if source jitter do affect even reclocked in a very minute ways
, you can measure I think , think about it as a fillter , but still it
does not get audible even if can show the effect .

Thats totally eliminated by for example asynchronus USB or ethernet
direct to the streamer (also async comunication ) .

Then you have electrical noise etc thats alos claimed to do "harm" .

I'm no longer a believer in this myself so i'm in agrrement :) really (
i has been a devout believer in all kind of audiphool nonsense ) .

But its really down to cluthing at straws arguments to justife an imaged
difference "heard" trough uncontrolled non blind testing aka your are
not even wrong as no real information cuts above the noise :)




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Misc use: Radio (with battery)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread Mnyb

_NK_ wrote: 
> pulling my hair..

Same account for every player if you only got one mysb.com your probably
ok and actually if see every player there when you log in then you are
ok :) some guys may make the mistake and register every one under a new
email or somesuch and inavertely create multiple accounts .
Or get used players that really are still registred on the previus
owners account . Or forgot thier login and creates yet another account..




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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

_NK_ wrote: 
> -apparently I missed the "he text that you have entered is too long
> (19107 characters). Please shorten it to 1 characters long." upon
> hitting submit. 
> 

Zip the file and attach to a post.  

Edited version are never great as sometimes it is the messages that are
missing that tell the story.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

it striked odd to me but..isn't lms supposed to be gapless...played two
live albums through spotify/spotty puts gaps in between the songs..



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

epoch1970 wrote: 
> Unfortunately old is not synonymous with experienced. I've never run LMS
> off pCP...
> 
> I think it can be an issue with the Pi's hardware, with networking (on
> the Pi or on the switch/router), or LMS. 
> 
> 
> yes but wouldn't such issue cause failures to the outcome which is the
> actual playing of the music?..no dropouts here..
> 
> Pi hardware: what is connected to the Pi over USB? It is a rather
> frequent case that users connect too many devices to the USB ports, and
> some get disconnected by the platform. AFAIK max current draw is 1A over
> the 4 ports (e.g. max 1A with 1 port, max 500mA each for 2 ports etc.)
> As you know, ethernet is connected via USB so an USB reset might affect
> your connection. The stock PSU for Pi 3 can output 2.5A over 5V
> sustained. If your PSU is weak, like 1A, it is possible that all the
> current goes to the Pi itself and not enough remains for the USB ports.
> 
> all usb ports unoccupied. rpi original 2.5a psu
> 
> It *think* "dmesg" could show something upon disconnects. Otherwise
> adding bootcode "syslog" to the line in cmdline.txt in pCP will allow
> /var/log/messages to be created, and there you should get a regular
> system log.
> 
> 
> well my *nix admin days are some 20years old but I guess I will have to
> get back to that one of these days..
> 
> Networking: are you using DHCP? If not I would. In case there is a typo
> in networking config you can get disconnects/no connection at all. Make
> sure the IP used by pCP is indeed unique to the network, an IP conflict
> would create transient issues like the one you're seeing.
> Also if you're using one of those fancy "green ethernet" network
> devices, try and see if disabling power management on the port used by
> Pi in the switch/router changes anything.
> 
> no green here *shame on me* all static all checked. dhcp only for the
> wireless phones/tablets part (outside of the static range ofcourse)
> 
> LMS: could LMS be caught in a fail/restart loop? I would open a session
> on pCP, check "ps" regularly and see if the main LMS process ages or on
> the contrary, keeps changing PID which would indicate a restart.
> 
> will do thanks epoch1970 sounds a good point
> 
> I don't think mySB.com would have much to do with this. If you can live
> without Internet for a few minutes, you could try pulling the WAN cable
> from the router and see if players still reset. I don't see why that
> would change anything but when everything's lost...
> 
> indeed another wise simple but useful tip thanks :)
> 
> 
> 

cheers
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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

-apparently I missed the "he text that you have entered is too long
(19107 characters). Please shorten it to 1 characters long." upon
hitting submit. 

192.168.0.230 it the Radio and 192.168.0.10 is the PCPplayer+LMSserver

-11-03 10:38:15.7715] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept
(191) Accepted connection from: [192.168.0.230:34761]
[17-11-03 10:38:15.7724] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept
(194) Setting timer in 5 seconds to close bogus connection
[17-11-03 10:38:15.7932] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(926) Killing bogus player timer.
[17-11-03 10:38:15.7945] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(968) Squeezebox says hello:  Deviceid: 9 revision: 0 mac:
00:04:20:2d:71:9c uuid: ab791124ae0437fbc7cc1d23f1c7aad6 bitmapped: 0
reconnect: 16384 wlan_channellist:  lang: EN  bytes_received:
198910623  capabilities: Model=baby,ModelName=Squeezebox
Radio,Firmware=7.7.3-r16676,Rhap,alc,wma,wmap,wmal,aac,spt,ogg,flc,aif,pcm,mp3,MaxSampleRate=48000,AccuratePlayPoints,spdr,Spdirect=spotify,ImmediateCrossfade,test,Rtmp=2,Proxy=192.168.0.230:9001
[17-11-03 10:38:15.7956] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(1157) Hello from existing client: 00:04:20:2d:71:9c on ipport:
192.168.0.230:34761
[17-11-03 10:38:15.7970] Slim::Player::SqueezePlay::updateCapabilities
(160) unknown capability: ImmediateCrossfade=1, ignored
[17-11-03 10:38:15.7981] Slim::Player::SqueezePlay::updateCapabilities
(173) formats: alc,wma,wmap,wmal,aac,spt,ogg,flc,aif,pcm,mp3,spdr,test
[17-11-03 10:38:15.8156] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_stat_handler
(785) 00:04:20:2d:71:9c: STAT-setd: fullness=6528,
output_fullness=3503224, elapsed=12421.792
[17-11-03 10:38:25.3732] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_stat_handler
(785) 00:04:20:2d:71:9c: STAT-STMt: fullness=8247,
output_fullness=3513208, elapsed=12431.347
[17-11-03 10:38:26.4534] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_stat_handler
(785) 00:04:20:2d:71:9c: STAT-STMt: fullness=242,
output_fullness=3494776, elapsed=12432.427
[17-11-03 10:38:26.5941] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept
(191) Accepted connection from: [192.168.0.10:50158]
[17-11-03 10:38:26.5950] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept
(194) Setting timer in 5 seconds to close bogus connection
[17-11-03 10:38:26.5961] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::client_readable
(425) half-close from client: 192.168.0.10:50130
[17-11-03 10:38:26.5970] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close
(247) connection closed
[17-11-03 10:38:26.5989] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close
(284) setting timer to forget client in 300 secs
[17-11-03 10:38:26.6055] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(926) Killing bogus player timer.
[17-11-03 10:38:26.6068] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(968) Squeezebox says hello:  Deviceid: 12 revision: 0 mac:
b8:27:eb:4e:51:a2 uuid:  bitmapped: 0
reconnect: 16384 wlan_channellist:  lang:   bytes_received: 441216 
capabilities:
Model=squeezelite,AccuratePlayPoints=1,HasDigitalOut=1,HasPolarityInversion=1,Firmware=v1.8.7-999,ModelName=SqueezeLite,MaxSampleRate=384000,dsf,dff,aac,ogg,flc,aif,pcm,mp3,loc
[17-11-03 10:38:26.6080] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(1157) Hello from existing client: b8:27:eb:4e:51:a2 on ipport:
192.168.0.10:50158
[17-11-03 10:38:26.6094] Slim::Player::SqueezePlay::updateCapabilities
(173) formats: dsf,dff,aac,ogg,flc,aif,pcm,mp3,loc
[17-11-03 10:38:27.4832] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_stat_handler
(785) 00:04:20:2d:71:9c: STAT-STMt: fullness=0, output_fullness=3163768,
elapsed=12433.457
[17-11-03 10:38:28.6111] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_stat_handler
(785) 00:04:20:2d:71:9c: STAT-STMt: fullness=0, output_fullness=3393400,
elapsed=12434.583

[17-11-03 10:38:34.8437] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_stat_handler
(785) 00:04:20:2d:71:9c: STAT-STMt: fullness=1334,
output_fullness=3517048, elapsed=12440.817
[17-11-03 10:38:
:
:
:
[17-11-03 10:40:15.0895] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept
(191) Accepted connection from: [192.168.0.10:50206]
[17-11-03 10:40:15.0904] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_accept
(194) Setting timer in 5 seconds to close bogus connection
[17-11-03 10:40:15.0915] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::client_readable
(425) half-close from client: 192.168.0.10:50190
[17-11-03 10:40:15.0924] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close
(247) connection closed
[17-11-03 10:40:15.0940] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::slimproto_close
(284) setting timer to forget client in 300 secs
[17-11-03 10:40:15.1037] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(926) Killing bogus player timer.
[17-11-03 10:40:15.1050] Slim::Networking::Slimproto::_hello_handler
(968) Squeezebox says hello:  Deviceid: 12 revision: 0 mac:
b8:27:eb:4e:51:a2 uuid:  bitmapped: 0
reconnect: 16384 wlan_channellist:  lang:   bytes_received: 441216 
capabilities:

Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

@bpa

I just posted an interesting slimproto log but I dont know where it
ended up.. let me repost



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

Mnyb wrote: 
> Have you checked your power on resume settings for each player ?
> 
> I have that "stays off after power on" 
> 
> And also I *think* there is a setting in the audio settings for the
> digital out should behave if the playback is stopped , just to adopt to
> varius AV recievers and DAC's that auto switch depending on the state on
> the spdiff output .
> 
> Sorry , that I have no Touch or SB3 connected anymore they exposed this
> setting and i think the transporter does to, I forgot the name of this
> setting :/
> This could affect "clicking" and input switch of in associated equipment
> ...
> 
> True it's the option to have the digital outputs always on or to have
> them off when "powered off" (by memory - not infront the TP now) which
> is what I have setup..but this is not it, since when I choose to have
> the TP connect to mysqb (which I did revert to until this issue is
> resolved) the "on-off" clicking stops 
> 
> 

..I know..a headscratcher...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread bpa

_NK_ wrote: 
> pulling my hair..

Enable LMS slimproto logging which will confirm if LMS is indeed
disconnecting - anything else is just speculation.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] rpi3+pcp3.22+LMS causes transporter & SBradio to jump in and out of LMS

2017-11-03 Thread _NK_

Mnyb wrote: 
> No keep them registred , but make sure it's the same account for all
> players .
> 
> checked. but what do you mean "same account for all players"? Just one
> lms account set up in the respective lms-mysqueezebox integration tab.
> Is there more elsewhere?
> 
> And also put in your mysqueezebox login in the LMS settings, it's a
> special tab in settings for that so that your LMS can see your mysb.com
> account . That way switching players back and forth goes smoothly (you
> can see from within LMS if a player is at mysb.com ) and the app and
> radio menu in LMS will work properly.
> And actually if you have your LMS account set in LMS you will probably
> find your picore player registred at mysb.com too .
> 
> checked. indeed picoreplayer is visible
> 
> I really have no clue but
> 
> The "picore player" is on the same PI as LMS and they don't loose
> conection ?, could that tell us anything ? regarding networking .
> 
> that would be a hint but all network testing so far shows no issues
> 
> Yes radio's wifi icon turns red when conection is lost .
> 
> Further youre sure that the players are connected by ethernet ? you
> don't just have to put in the cables you must also redo the network
> setup in each player
> 
> double checked everything, no double IPs, all static, simple clean class
> c 192.168.0.x , all wired music actually plays fine spotify works. If
> there was no transporter clicking and no orangesqueeze to show me the
> players bouncing in and out I doubt I would know there was an problem .
> 
> .


pulling my hair..



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Re: [SlimDevices: Unix] BitPerfect

2017-11-03 Thread steff

Regarding jitter, since almost all DACs today are internally reclocked,
it should not be a matter of the source\streamer.

Correct?



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