Re: Global Marmalade

[Richmond]

On 05/10/15 21:45, Richmond wrote:

On 05/10/15 21:43, Richmond wrote:

Just downloading the 64-bit Linux Community build-1 of LC 8.0.0 dp7:

http://downloads.livecode.com/global-jam/

as my main system was down over the last week I haven't tried 
anything with DP 6, so this could be interesting.


Richmond.



Installed and started up with the Ayn Rand option [ You Only ] with no 
obvious problem at all.


Xubuntu 14.04.4 64-bit

R.


Well cheesed-off to see that the Application Browser has been dropped 
from LiveCode 8:


it shows just how little I have done with 8.0.0 that I didn't see that 
before: I have always used the

Application Browser intensively.

I wonder if it is possible to port the LC 7 App Browser to LC 8 ???

R.

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Re: Global Marmalade

[Richmond]

On 05/10/15 21:49, Richmond wrote:

On 05/10/15 21:45, Richmond wrote:

On 05/10/15 21:43, Richmond wrote:

Just downloading the 64-bit Linux Community build-1 of LC 8.0.0 dp7:

http://downloads.livecode.com/global-jam/

as my main system was down over the last week I haven't tried 
anything with DP 6, so this could be interesting.


Richmond.



Installed and started up with the Ayn Rand option [ You Only ] with 
no obvious problem at all.


Xubuntu 14.04.4 64-bit

R.


Well cheesed-off to see that the Application Browser has been dropped 
from LiveCode 8:


it shows just how little I have done with 8.0.0 that I didn't see that 
before: I have always used the

Application Browser intensively.

I wonder if it is possible to port the LC 7 App Browser to LC 8 ???

R.


Ha, Ha, Ha: I'm going bonkers:

I went over to LC 7.1 and attached the Application Browser to an empty 
stack called "AppB" and exported it.


Then I opened the DP7 build 1 version to import the App Browser, and, 
what happens? A copy of the App Browser appears,

even though one does not show up in the menus of the IDE.

So, does that mean the Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8.*.*, 
just made inaccessible via the menu system?


That seems bl**dy silly; it either (preferably) should be there, and 
accessible, or it should be done away with.


R.

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Re: Global Marmalade

[Richmond]

On 05/10/15 21:43, Richmond wrote:

Just downloading the 64-bit Linux Community build-1 of LC 8.0.0 dp7:

http://downloads.livecode.com/global-jam/

as my main system was down over the last week I haven't tried anything 
with DP 6, so this could be interesting.


Richmond.



Installed and started up with the Ayn Rand option [ You Only ] with no 
obvious problem at all.


Xubuntu 14.04.4 64-bit

R.

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Global Marmalade

[Richmond]

Just downloading the 64-bit Linux Community build-1 of LC 8.0.0 dp7:

http://downloads.livecode.com/global-jam/

as my main system was down over the last week I haven't tried anything 
with DP 6, so this could be interesting.


Richmond.

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Re: DP6 more strict?

[Mark Wieder]

jameshale  writes:

> Except the alternate syntax can no longer be handled.

Right. I was simply saying that I think if the previous alternate was working
then maybe it would be best to revert to that state...

> Whatever side of the fence one eventually chooses the docs need to match,
> and if this stricter mode is kept some flag about it in both the docs and
> the release notes is warranted.

...and update the docs to reflect that.

But if not, then having the compiler catch the error is fine.

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Re: LiveCode and Yosemite (re: Screen Flashing)

[Roger Guay]

Hey Devin,

Looks like updating to El Capitan solved my problems with screen flashing . . . 
as I suspected. Let the good times roll!!

Cheers,

Roger



> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Roger. I’ve added my comments to the bug report. It might get more 
> attention if you changed the version to 7.0.6 or even the latest 7.1 RC, 
> assuming the bug still appears there.
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Roger Guay  wrote:
>> 
>> I filed a bug report #14036 with this sample stack soon after the release of 
>> Yosemite:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/48f5ietxwrm681f/BugReport.livecode?dl=0 
>> 
>> 
>> It was acknowledged as having been received, but no action on it AFAIK. 
>> Moreover, the last time I looked, I could not find 14036 in the queue.
>> 
>> Good luck!! I’m hoping that the upcoming OS X will solve the problem. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roger and Peter,
>>> 
>>> Yes, and since I posted my original question I’ve been noticing flickering 
>>> in Yosemite in similar circumstances. I’ll try to develop a recipe and 
>>> submit a bug report. In the meantime, if anyone beats me to it, post the 
>>> bug report number back here and I’ll add a comment.
>>> 
>>> Devin
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Peter Bogdanoff  wrote:
 
 I see something similar in LC 7, including 7.1 dp 2, in IDE.
 
 I see flickering as the mouse moves over a field which sets the background 
 color of the line:
 
 on mouseMove
 if the mouseLine is not empty then
   set the backgroundColor of the mouseLine() to 235,231,237
 end if
 end mouseMove
 
 
 Peter Bogdanoff
 UCLA
 
 
 
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay  wrote:
> 
> I and a few others have seen this problem since the release of 
> Yosemite.And, there’s been no improvement with any of the stable releases 
> of LC.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Devin Asay  wrote:
>> 
>> - I see screen flickering during the execution of visual effects or on 
>> buttons with various icon image states. For example on a button that has 
>> a “resting” icon and a hover icon there is some screen flickering on the 
>> button when I move my mouse cursor to it.
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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Richmond]

On 05/10/15 22:36, Richmond wrote:

1. I seem unable to GROUP a single object.

This is a real pain if one wants to do an IMPORT SNAPSHOT with a drop 
shadow.


Importing the button as a button, rather than within its own group 
means one loses

a DROP SHADOW or a GLOW.

2.  The Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8, but is 
inaccessible from the Menus in the IDE.


As I use the Application Browser a lot of the time I have written a 
'Patch Stack" that will place a button

on the revMenuBar stack to access it:

File and screenshots.

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503

Love, Richmond.


As modifications to the LiveCode 8.*.*. revMenuBar stack don't seem to 
"stick" between restarts


[or, put another way, I haven't worked out how to manage that yet]

I am also offering a palette with a button to call the Application 
Browser instead:


same place as the Patch . . .

Love, Richmond.

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Re: ON NOW! Ask me about LiveCode Builder during the Global Jam!

[Mark Schonewille]

No invite and my e-mail address is unknown to slack.

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Op 10/5/2015 om 16:34 schreef Peter TB Brett:

On 05/10/2015 15:25, Mark Schonewille wrote:

I registered with the Jam yesterday and it said I would get an e-mail at
18:00. I haven't received anything (nor in my spam box). Is it no longer
possible to register? I feel I'm missing out on everything now.


Hi Mark,

Did you get an e-mail with your invitation to the Slack team?  I 
checked, and you've definitely been invited.


You can log into the Slack instance directly using this URL:

https://livecodepublic.slack.com/

I think we have Trevor's webinar coming up in 30 minutes or so.

  Peter




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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[panagiotis merakos]

Hi Richmond,

Can you group a single object if clicking on the "Group" button in the
toolbar? It is a known issue (and now fixed for the next build) that
grouping controls does not work from menu or shortcuts, but does work when
using the "Group" button in the toolbar:

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16071

Best regards,
Panos
--

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Richmond 
wrote:

> 1. I seem unable to GROUP a single object.
>
> This is a real pain if one wants to do an IMPORT SNAPSHOT with a drop
> shadow.
>
> Importing the button as a button, rather than within its own group means
> one loses
> a DROP SHADOW or a GLOW.
>
> 2.  The Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8, but is inaccessible
> from the Menus in the IDE.
>
> As I use the Application Browser a lot of the time I have written a 'Patch
> Stack" that will place a button
> on the revMenuBar stack to access it:
>
> File and screenshots.
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503
>
> Love, Richmond.
>
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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Richmond]

On 05/10/15 22:50, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Hi Richmond,

Can you group a single object if clicking on the "Group" button in the
toolbar? It is a known issue (and now fixed for the next build) that
grouping controls does not work from menu or shortcuts, but does work when
using the "Group" button in the toolbar:

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16071

Best regards,
Panos


Yes, got it. Thank you so much for a speedy response.

Richmond.


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On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Richmond 
wrote:


1. I seem unable to GROUP a single object.

This is a real pain if one wants to do an IMPORT SNAPSHOT with a drop
shadow.

Importing the button as a button, rather than within its own group means
one loses
a DROP SHADOW or a GLOW.

2.  The Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8, but is inaccessible
from the Menus in the IDE.

As I use the Application Browser a lot of the time I have written a 'Patch
Stack" that will place a button
on the revMenuBar stack to access it:

File and screenshots.

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503

Love, Richmond.

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Re: [ANN]SoCal LiveCode Meeting, Oct 1

[Peter TB Brett]

On 2015-09-30 06:23, Richard Gaskin wrote:

The next meeting of the SoCal LiveCode User Group is coming up
Thursday, October 1, at 7PM in Pasadena - details in the forums:




If you give me at least a week's warning in future, I'll make sure that 
it appears in the "events" section of This Week in LiveCode!


  Peter

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LiveCode on reddit! 

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Re: DP6 more strict?

[jameshale]

Except the alternate syntax can no longer be handled.
Whatever side of the fence one eventually chooses the docs need to match,
and if this stricter mode is kept some flag about it in both the docs and
the release notes is warranted.



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[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 3

[Peter TB Brett]

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source 
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!


Read issue #3 here: https://goo.gl/t97qSo


This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been 
going on in and around the open source project.  New issues will be 
released weekly on Mondays.  We have a dedicated mailing list that will 
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!


If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion 
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


 Peter


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Possible use of this API?

[Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel]

Can somebody take a quick look at this API and determine if I might be able
to utilize it via LC calls?

http://strava.github.io/api/

It seems like their authentication process actually loads a webpage and
then redirects the user to another redirected, specified web location.  I
am just trying to retrieve (read-only) data from individual athletes.
Maybe I am missing something here.

Any insight and your expertise is ALWAYS appreciated!

SKIP
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Re: [ANN]SoCal LiveCode Meeting, Oct 1

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 2015-09-30 06:23, Richard Gaskin wrote:

The next meeting of the SoCal LiveCode User Group is coming up
Thursday, October 1, at 7PM in Pasadena - details in the forums:




If you give me at least a week's warning in future, I'll make sure that
it appears in the "events" section of This Week in LiveCode!


Thanks, Peter.  For several years now our group meets on the first 
Thursday of each month.


The only times we've missed a meeting is when the first Thursday 
conflicts with a major holiday (sometimes in July for US Independence 
Day), or when Pasadena is in a declared state of emergency (happened 
once with hurricane-level winds in Dec '11).


Details for each meeting and other local events of interest to the 
community are in the SoCal User Group section of the User Groups and 
Gatherings forum:



RSS:


Our next meeting will be Nov 5.


Note for other user group managers: if you have an ongoing group and 
would like a subsection of the User Groups and Gatherings forum just 
drop me a note at the address below and I'll set it up for you.


--
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 LiveCode Community Manager
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Re: Paths in Mac standalone headache

[Richard Gaskin]

John Dixon wrote:
> Would this help you in setting the defaultfolder
>
> on preOpenStack
>set itemDel to "/"
>set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -2 of \
(the effective fileName of this stack)
> end preOpenStack

We've become so used to defaultFolder working that most of us don't do 
as much error-checking as we should.  A lot of us spend way too much 
time last year tracking down what we thought were recursion limits in a 
directory walker when the culprit was simply a defaultFolder assignment 
that didn't take.


To rule that out here I'd add a check of the result with sysError:

on preOpenStack
 set itemDel to "/"
 set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -2 of \
  (the effective fileName of this stack)
 if the result is not empty then
   answer "Couldn't set defaultfolder: "& \
 the result &" ("& sysError()&")"
 end if
end preOpenStack

You may never need it, but if there's a reason that's failing at least 
you'll know what the OS thinks it is.


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 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Monte Goulding]

> On 6 Oct 2015, at 7:28 am, Richmond  wrote:
> 
> As modifications to the LiveCode 8.*.*. revMenuBar stack don't seem to 
> "stick" between restarts
> 
> [or, put another way, I haven't worked out how to manage that yet]
> 
> I am also offering a palette with a button to call the Application Browser 
> instead:
> 
> same place as the Patch . . .

It is now a script only stack that has it’s UI built on startup so you need to 
add things each time you open LC.
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Re: "Slack"?

[Richmond]

On 05/10/15 23:59, Roger Eller wrote:

I tried https://livecodepublic.slack.com/

Is this correct?  It says I am not signed up.



Roger EllerGraphics Systems Analyst





Everything seems a bit on the slack side.

Never mind, I'm having "private fun" catching up with things about
LiveCode 8 I feel are not particularly beneficial:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503

Richmond.

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Re: Global Marmalade

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/5/2015 1:57 PM, Richmond wrote:

So, does that mean the Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8.*.*,
just made inaccessible via the menu system?

That seems bl**dy silly; it either (preferably) should be there, and
accessible, or it should be done away with.


If it's done away with I will not be able to move to LC 8 at all.  I 
tried to use the Project Browser for a couple of days when it first 
appeared and it was unusable with my current project. There is far too 
much clutter when working with anything other than the simplest of 
stacks, and if you have dozens open at the same time it is impossible to 
quickly locate what you need.


I need the simple, hierarchical listing that the App Browser uses.

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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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Re: Global Marmalade

[Richmond]

On 06/10/15 00:18, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 10/5/2015 1:57 PM, Richmond wrote:

So, does that mean the Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8.*.*,
just made inaccessible via the menu system?

That seems bl**dy silly; it either (preferably) should be there, and
accessible, or it should be done away with.


If it's done away with I will not be able to move to LC 8 at all. I 
tried to use the Project Browser for a couple of days when it first 
appeared and it was unusable with my current project. There is far too 
much clutter when working with anything other than the simplest of 
stacks, and if you have dozens open at the same time it is impossible 
to quickly locate what you need.


I need the simple, hierarchical listing that the App Browser uses.



+1

R.

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Four more reports closed as "Resolved - Fixed"

[Richard Gaskin]

I've been going through outstanding reports I'd submitted to the bug DB, 
testing them in both the current product version 7.1 and future version 
8.0dp6.


I'm pleased to report that at least four of those were found to have 
already been fixed by the team in the course of other fixes, so I was 
able to close them without further effort needed.


One for good reason for a bug sprint like this is that if each of us 
checks our outstanding bugs I'll bet you'll find at least a few that 
have already been addressed.


The less noise we have in the bug queue, the easier it is for the team 
to focus on the items that truly need their attention.


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Re: Global Marmalade

[Bob Sneidar]

+10

Bob S


On Oct 5, 2015, at 14:18 , J. Landman Gay 
> wrote:

If it's done away with I will not be able to move to LC 8 at all.  I tried to 
use the Project Browser for a couple of days when it first appeared and it was 
unusable with my current project. There is far too much clutter when working 
with anything other than the simplest of stacks, and if you have dozens open at 
the same time it is impossible to quickly locate what you need.

I need the simple, hierarchical listing that the App Browser uses.

--
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Re: Global Marmalade

[Phil Davis]

My experience is the same. I rely heavily on the App Browser in my work, 
for the exact same reasons Jacque states below.


Phil Davis


On 10/5/15 2:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 10/5/2015 1:57 PM, Richmond wrote:

So, does that mean the Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8.*.*,
just made inaccessible via the menu system?

That seems bl**dy silly; it either (preferably) should be there, and
accessible, or it should be done away with.


If it's done away with I will not be able to move to LC 8 at all. I 
tried to use the Project Browser for a couple of days when it first 
appeared and it was unusable with my current project. There is far too 
much clutter when working with anything other than the simplest of 
stacks, and if you have dozens open at the same time it is impossible 
to quickly locate what you need.


I need the simple, hierarchical listing that the App Browser uses.



--
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Re: Four more reports closed as "Resolved - Fixed"

[Paul Hibbert]

> On 5 Oct 2015, at 15:59, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> 
> How do we display a list of the bugs we've reported?

“Search by People” seems to work OK. I found 39 bugs reported by tactilemedia.

Paul
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[ANN] LiveCode meeting in the Netherlands

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi everyone,

(zie onder voor de Nederlandse versie van dit bericht)

On Friday 9th October 2015, a LiveCode meeting is organised. At this 
meeting, participants will introduce their own projects and products, 
from amateur to professional, from beginner to advanced. We'll probably 
make more announcements, about talks or presentations, tomorrow.


Participants will get an opportunity to experiment with Arduino. For 
those who aren't too technical, we'll a “workshop” about creating 
capacitive buttons for Arduino (a perfect beginners' project). If you're 
more experienced with electronics, we'll have some materials available 
to experiment with (resistors, cables, LEDs, motors, etc.) If you have 
an Arduino, please bring it with you.


During the meeting, I'll raffle off a copy of “Programming LiveCode for 
the Real Beginner” and a license for Roger Wagner's HyperStudio. Go to 
http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com for more information about 
the book and to http://www.hyperstudio.com for more information about 
HyperStudio. You also might want to visit http://www.hyperduino.com


Op de bijeenkomst zal ik een exemplaar van “Programming LiveCode for the 
Real Beginner” en een licentie voor Roger Wagners HyperStudio verloten. 
Go naar http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com voor meer informatie 
over het boek en http://www.hyperstudio.com voor meer informatie over 
HyperStudio. Wellicht wil je ook de website http://www.hyperduino.com 
bekijken.


Entrance is free. All consumptions are on your own account. After the 
meeting, we'll go somewhere for dinner and you can join if you like.


Date and time: 9th October 2015, from 12:00 until 16:00

Place: Apollo Hotel , Stationsplein 14, Breda, the Netherlands

Registration: contact supp...@economy-x-talk.com


Op vrijdag 9 oktober 2015 wordt er een LiveCode-bijeenkomst 
georganiseerd. Op deze bijeenkomst zullen deelnemers hun projecten of 
producten laten zien, van amateur tot professional, van beginner tot 
gevorderd. We zullen daar waarschijnlijk morgen meer informatie over 
kunnen geven.


Deelnemers krijgen de mogelijkheid met Arduino te experimenteren. Wie 
niet zo technische is kan een aan “workshop” over het maken van 
capacitieve buttons meedoen (een prima project voor beginners). Als je 
wat meer ervaring met electronica hebt, hebben we wat materiaal 
beschikbaar om mee te experimenteren (weerstanden, kabels, LED's, 
motoren, enz.) Als je zelf een Arduino hebt, neem hem dan a.u.b. mee.


Op de bijeenkomst zal ik een exemplaar van “Programming LiveCode for the 
Real Beginner” en een licentie voor Roger Wagners HyperStudio verloten. 
Go naar http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com voor meer informatie 
over het boek en http://www.hyperstudio.com voor meer informatie over 
HyperStudio. Wellicht wil je ook de website http://www.hyperduino.com 
bekijken.


Toegang gratis. Alle consumpties zijn voor eigen rekening. Na de 
bijeenkomst zullen we, met eenieder die dat ook wil, ergens gaan eten.


Datum en tijd: 9 oktober 2015, van 12:00 tot 16:00

plaats: Apollo Hotel, Stationsplein 14, Breda

Registratie: neem contact op met supp...@economy-x-talk.com

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Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Richmond]

1. I seem unable to GROUP a single object.

This is a real pain if one wants to do an IMPORT SNAPSHOT with a drop 
shadow.


Importing the button as a button, rather than within its own group means 
one loses

a DROP SHADOW or a GLOW.

2.  The Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8, but is 
inaccessible from the Menus in the IDE.


As I use the Application Browser a lot of the time I have written a 
'Patch Stack" that will place a button

on the revMenuBar stack to access it:

File and screenshots.

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503

Love, Richmond.

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Re: "Slack"?

[Roger Eller]

I tried https://livecodepublic.slack.com/

Is this correct?  It says I am not signed up.



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On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Peter TB Brett 
wrote:

> On 05/10/2015 17:20, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> I'm on Slack.com, but completely mystified as to how to find the #LCGr8
>> channel.
>>
>
> I've sent you an invitation to the livecodepublic team.  Let me know if
> you can't join.
>
>   Peter
>
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>
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Emulate iOS Mobile Pick Wheel on Mac OS X with LiveCode?

[Rick Harrison]

Hi there,

I have an iOS program that uses a really nice
Mobile Pick Wheel to enable the user to 
pick 7 out of 42 possible combinations.

How could I best emulate this Pick Wheel
using LiveCode for a Mac OS X environment?
Should I use 7 option menu LiveCode objects
each with 6 items? Should I build a custom control?

Ideas? Suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick

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Re: Global Marmalade

[Rick Harrison]

I think everyone has agreed that the App Browser has to indeed work!

I can’t think that the development team would think otherwise regarding this 
important capability.
It’s a bug, and needs to be fixed.

Just my +1 here.  ;-)

Rick

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Phil Davis  wrote:
> 
> My experience is the same. I rely heavily on the App Browser in my work, for 
> the exact same reasons Jacque states below.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> On 10/5/15 2:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 10/5/2015 1:57 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>> So, does that mean the Application Browser is present in LiveCode 8.*.*,
>>> just made inaccessible via the menu system?
>>> 
>>> That seems bl**dy silly; it either (preferably) should be there, and
>>> accessible, or it should be done away with.
>> 
>> If it's done away with I will not be able to move to LC 8 at all. I tried to 
>> use the Project Browser for a couple of days when it first appeared and it 
>> was unusable with my current project. There is far too much clutter when 
>> working with anything other than the simplest of stacks, and if you have 
>> dozens open at the same time it is impossible to quickly locate what you 
>> need.
>> 
>> I need the simple, hierarchical listing that the App Browser uses.
>> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: ON NOW! Ask me about LiveCode Builder during the Global Jam!

[Mark Schonewille]

I managed to get in :-)

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Op 10/5/2015 om 22:53 schreef Mark Schonewille:

No invite and my e-mail address is unknown to slack.

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Op 10/5/2015 om 16:34 schreef Peter TB Brett:

On 05/10/2015 15:25, Mark Schonewille wrote:
I registered with the Jam yesterday and it said I would get an 
e-mail at
18:00. I haven't received anything (nor in my spam box). Is it no 
longer

possible to register? I feel I'm missing out on everything now.


Hi Mark,

Did you get an e-mail with your invitation to the Slack team?  I 
checked, and you've definitely been invited.


You can log into the Slack instance directly using this URL:

https://livecodepublic.slack.com/

I think we have Trevor's webinar coming up in 30 minutes or so.

  Peter




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Re: Four more reports closed as "Resolved - Fixed"

[Scott Rossi]

Hi Richard:

There used to be a "Show My Bugs" button or link in LQCC, which I can't
seem to find anymore.

How do we display a list of the bugs we've reported?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 10/5/15, 2:56 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Richard Gaskin"
 wrote:

>I've been going through outstanding reports I'd submitted to the bug DB,
>testing them in both the current product version 7.1 and future version
>8.0dp6.
>
>I'm pleased to report that at least four of those were found to have
>already been fixed by the team in the course of other fixes, so I was
>able to close them without further effort needed.
>
>One for good reason for a bug sprint like this is that if each of us
>checks our outstanding bugs I'll bet you'll find at least a few that
>have already been addressed.
>
>The less noise we have in the bug queue, the easier it is for the team
>to focus on the items that truly need their attention.
>
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>  LiveCode Community Manager
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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Roger Eller]

Is that why LC8 takes longer to open?
On Oct 5, 2015 10:01 PM, "Monte Goulding" 
wrote:

>
> > On 6 Oct 2015, at 7:28 am, Richmond  wrote:
> >
> > As modifications to the LiveCode 8.*.*. revMenuBar stack don't seem to
> "stick" between restarts
> >
> > [or, put another way, I haven't worked out how to manage that yet]
> >
> > I am also offering a palette with a button to call the Application
> Browser instead:
> >
> > same place as the Patch . . .
>
> It is now a script only stack that has it’s UI built on startup so you
> need to add things each time you open LC.
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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Monte Goulding]

> On 6 Oct 2015, at 1:05 pm, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> Is that why LC8 takes longer to open?

Could be, I think most of it is because of the docs.

@livecodeali If this is slowing the load of the load of IDE a lot then one 
thing you could do is switch script only stacks to binary stacks during your 
release builds. At that point there’s no longer any benefit to them to being in 
a mergable file format.
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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Goulding wrote:

> It is now a script only stack that has it’s UI built on startup so
> you need to add things each time you open LC.

I've been writing IDE patchers for myself for months to tidy up things 
that had been sitting in the bug queue for a while (one of which got 
fixed today), and I've always written them to apply the patches on startup.


The nice thing about this approach is that I can have what I want 
without making permanent changes to the IDE.  If I need to revert the 
IDE to its shipping state I just quit, remove my patcher plugin, and 
restart.


I haven't had time to read the IDE scripts in v8 - what exactly is it 
doing on boot?  Is it copying parts from some resource stack, or is 
there some really long script somewhere to create every control and set 
every property?


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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Monte Goulding]

> On 6 Oct 2015, at 1:15 pm, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
> 
> some really long script somewhere to create every control and set every 
> property?

^ this

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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Richard Gaskin]

Monte Goulding wrote:

> On 6 Oct 2015, at 1:15 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> some really long script somewhere to create every control and
>> set every property?
>
>  ^ this

Where can I read that?

I wonder what the break-even ROI calculation for that effort looks like

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Externals SDK

[Richard Gaskin]

I've been all over the livecode.com site looking for the Externals SDK, 
and came up empty.


Anyone here know where I can find it?

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Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

[Monte Goulding]

> On 6 Oct 2015, at 1:54 pm, Richard Gaskin  wrote:
> 
> Where can I read that?

It’s all in the script of stack revMenubar
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Re: Externals SDK

[Mike Bonner]

scroll to the bottom of the downloads page.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> I've been all over the livecode.com site looking for the Externals SDK,
> and came up empty.
>
> Anyone here know where I can find it?
>
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Re: Externals SDK

[Mike Bonner]

Or here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/sdk/LiveCodeSDK-R14.zip for
r14, which is the most recent. (unless I misunderstand)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> scroll to the bottom of the downloads page.
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Richard Gaskin  > wrote:
>
>> I've been all over the livecode.com site looking for the Externals SDK,
>> and came up empty.
>>
>> Anyone here know where I can find it?
>>
>> --
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>>  Fourth World Systems
>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  
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Re: Externals SDK

[Richard Gaskin]

Mike Bonner wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> I've been all over the livecode.com site looking for the Externals
>> SDK, and came up empty.
>>
>> Anyone here know where I can find it?
>
> scroll to the bottom of the downloads page.

Got it - thanks, Mike!

2011?

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Re: Externals SDK

[Mike Bonner]

Think 2011 is the oldest version there.  It starts at 1, then all the
others are named v2, v3 etc.  Think v14 is the hights.  REALLY wish dates
were shown, since there is a slight chance that the alternate version
naming convention is the most recent. (but like I say, that one is declared
a 1, then its 2 and up)

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Richard Gaskin 
wrote:

> Mike Bonner wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> I've been all over the livecode.com site looking for the Externals
> >> SDK, and came up empty.
> >>
> >> Anyone here know where I can find it?
> >
> > scroll to the bottom of the downloads page.
>
> Got it - thanks, Mike!
>
> 2011?
>
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Data grid lines

[Marty Knapp]

I'm building a data grid (table style) but instead of having alternate 
row colors, I'd just like a line at the bottom of each row that has 
data. My users will be able to customize various parts of the data grid 
and then, in most cases, it will be printed on a B laser printer. So I 
need a flexible solution. It also needs to be for a table style and not 
form style grid. Is there a way to get a horizontal line for each row?


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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 145, Issue 6

[bernd . gottwald]

Bis zum 12.10.2015 bin ich nicht verfügbar. Ich werde meine Emails nicht lesen. 
In dringenden Fällen erreichen Sie mich über mein Mobiltelefon.

I will be out of office until 12.10.2015. I won't read me emails. In urgent 
matter please call me on my mobile.




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Re: License activation for old versions

[Paul Dupuis]

On 10/4/2015 9:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Thanks, but I have logged in and been over that page a zillion time now
>> and I see no way to generate and download a manual license file. What am
>> I missing?
>
> On that page there is a link 'Generage LiveCode offline activation
> file'. If you click on it you get to select a version and a
> passphrase. It's at the top of the puke-green section.

Mike,

Thanks! I found it. We have our licenses managed under 1 account, but
assigned to various individuals. I had to login as an individual instead
of the management account to see the activation links. Unfortunately,
the popup list only list versions back to LC6.0.0, so I guess I will
have to contact LiveCode Support.

Paul

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Re: ON NOW! Ask me about LiveCode Builder during the Global Jam!

[Peter TB Brett]

Hi all,

Stick your technical questions here.  I'll be trying to answer them all 
through until midnight.


"I Am A LiveCode Engine Developer, AMA"
https://goo.gl/DNDpPj

  Peter

On 02/10/2015 20:21, Peter TB Brett wrote:

I'll be doing an "Ask Me Anything" session on reddit during the global
jam.  It'll be on Monday 5th October from 15:00 to 22:00 BST (or your
regional equivalent), and you'll be able to find the discussion thread
in the LiveCode subreddit  on Monday
afternoon.

I'll be super happy to (attempt to) answer all of your gnarly technical
questions about LiveCode Builder, how it works, what you can do with it,
what we want you to be able to do with it, and so on.  I might answer
some other questions as well depending on how busy things get (and on my
knowledge level)!


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Re: ON NOW! Ask me about LiveCode Builder during the Global Jam!

[Mark Waddingham]

Hi Mark,

On 2015-10-05 16:25, Mark Schonewille wrote:

I registered with the Jam yesterday and it said I would get an e-mail
at 18:00. I haven't received anything (nor in my spam box). Is it no
longer possible to register? I feel I'm missing out on everything now.


I got Steven (our marketing guy whose been managing the invites) to 
check and you've definitely been sent an invite email. Can you see if 
you have an invitation from 'slack' (the messaging system we're using to 
run the jam) in your spam folder?


Thanks!

Mark.

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Re: ON NOW! Ask me about LiveCode Builder during the Global Jam!

[Peter TB Brett]

On 05/10/2015 15:25, Mark Schonewille wrote:

I registered with the Jam yesterday and it said I would get an e-mail at
18:00. I haven't received anything (nor in my spam box). Is it no longer
possible to register? I feel I'm missing out on everything now.


Hi Mark,

Did you get an e-mail with your invitation to the Slack team?  I 
checked, and you've definitely been invited.


You can log into the Slack instance directly using this URL:

https://livecodepublic.slack.com/

I think we have Trevor's webinar coming up in 30 minutes or so.

  Peter

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Re: ON NOW! Ask me about LiveCode Builder during the Global Jam!

[Mike Kerner]

See my other email - I didn't get an invite, either, although I'm sitting
on the page, watching...

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Colin Holgate 
wrote:

> Trevor’s thing is in 20 minutes, and had its own registration.
>
>
> > On Oct 5, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Peter TB Brett 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 05/10/2015 15:25, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> >> I registered with the Jam yesterday and it said I would get an e-mail at
> >> 18:00. I haven't received anything (nor in my spam box). Is it no longer
> >> possible to register? I feel I'm missing out on everything now.
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Did you get an e-mail with your invitation to the Slack team?  I
> checked, and you've definitely been invited.
> >
> > You can log into the Slack instance directly using this URL:
> >
> > https://livecodepublic.slack.com/
> >
> > I think we have Trevor's webinar coming up in 30 minutes or so.
> >
> >  Peter
> >
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Re: ON NOW! Ask me about LiveCode Builder during the Global Jam!

[Colin Holgate]

Trevor’s thing is in 20 minutes, and had its own registration.


> On Oct 5, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> On 05/10/2015 15:25, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> I registered with the Jam yesterday and it said I would get an e-mail at
>> 18:00. I haven't received anything (nor in my spam box). Is it no longer
>> possible to register? I feel I'm missing out on everything now.
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Did you get an e-mail with your invitation to the Slack team?  I checked, and 
> you've definitely been invited.
> 
> You can log into the Slack instance directly using this URL:
> 
> https://livecodepublic.slack.com/
> 
> I think we have Trevor's webinar coming up in 30 minutes or so.
> 
>  Peter
> 
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Re: "Slack"?

[Klaus major-k]

Hi Richard,

> Am 05.10.2015 um 18:20 schrieb Richard Gaskin :
> 
> I'm on Slack.com, but completely mystified as to how to find the #LCGr8 
> channel.

that will obviously only work with robots on MARS! :-D
Sorry, couldn’t resist.

> Suggestions?
> 
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> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

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Re: scheduling

[Bob Sneidar]

Sounds like a job for a standalone app that accepts messages.

Bob S


On Oct 2, 2015, at 19:40 , Mike Bonner 
> wrote:

Probably the easiest way would be to have a send loop running, and see if
any jobs (whatever you want to call it) are due yet.  If you keep the jobs
sorted you can check the next one in queue, and if its not time for it to
fire yet, none of them are, so loop.   If it IS time, keep checking the
list until you hit a job that isn't due yet. then loop again.


On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Mike Kerner 
>
wrote:

oh, wow.  Sorry, Bob, that wasn't what I meant.  I meant scheduling
messages like as in pendingMessages, like a CRON subsystem

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Re: Further regression of the Pirate Code Dots

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Charles Warwick <
char...@techstrategies.com.au> wrote:

> Ah, this is with "preOpenStack", not "openStack”.  That is why I wasn’t
> noticing the issue.
>
> Using your uploaded stack the hardcoded “breakpoint” line triggered the
> debugger every time before the answer dialog for me.  It did miss the red
> dot though.
>

It's been this way for years on OS X; even in 5.5.


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Re: IPV6...

[Bob Sneidar]

No I mean IPV6. The protocol is running on almost everything concurrent with 
IPV4, although IPV4 still seems to be preferred. I see it on every network 
device created in the last 5 or 6 years, maybe longer. 

Bob S


> On Oct 2, 2015, at 17:52 , Mark Wieder  wrote:
> 
> On 10/02/2015 03:14 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Almost everything these days is running IPV6.
> 
> Heh. Now *that* is wishful thinking.
> I assume it's a typo and you meant ipv4.
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Re: "Slack"?

[Peter TB Brett]

On 05/10/2015 17:20, Richard Gaskin wrote:

I'm on Slack.com, but completely mystified as to how to find the #LCGr8
channel.


I've sent you an invitation to the livecodepublic team.  Let me know if 
you can't join.


  Peter

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"Slack"?

[Richard Gaskin]

I'm on Slack.com, but completely mystified as to how to find the #LCGr8 
channel.


Suggestions?

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 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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