Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, aren't I glad I don't run an American business. 8-)

I just run an EFL school that is not dependent on computers connected to 
the interweb


and do funny things with Sanskrit.

Richmond.

On 12/7/2018 3:54 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:43 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known
>> exploits, it's no longer safe to use.
>
> I think it depends on what you use it for.

True. If you unplug the power and use it as a doorstop, it's 
completely safe. Anything else involves varying degrees of risk. :)


Running outdated software is one of the leading reasons 80% of 
American businesses have experienced at least one form of hack or 
another.



> I have yet to see a MacOS "exploit" that didn't require the end user
> do something they ought not to do, and/or authenticate an action they
> didn't initiate. And by exploit, I mean access the OS via network
> protocol and bypass protections in place to prevent it without user
> action or intervention.

That's true of most OSes.  But look deeper.  They're rarer, but they 
exist.


And even those that require user action, those actions may seem 
innocuous to many users who do not understand the implications, or can 
use exploits in other software to gain elevated privileges which can 
then be used with exploits requiring admin.


The deeper you look, the murkier things get.

Sometimes even authentication itself becomes vulnerable:

   Passwords are stored in the Mac's Keychain, which typically
   requires a master login password to access the vault.

   But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker
   to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned
   app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password.
 



And we can't forget everyone's favorite, the Meltdown flaw in Intel 
chips like those in systems that run macOS 10.7:
 



A partial list of vulnerabilities specific to macOS 10.7.5 is here:
 



That list contains only OS vulnerabilities; other searches can turn up 
additional vulnerabilities against the versions of Safari, Apache, 
rsync, and other programs included in the system which have their own 
lengthy lists of known vulnerabilities.  Combining vulnerabilities 
multiplies threats.


Consider which of the 900+ CVEs against Safari may be used in 
combination with other exploits:
 




Ultimately, security is a matter of subjective sense of comfort. The 
sort of person who goes into the shopping mall with they keys left in 
their car will probably feel right at home running an OS where the 
only system patches are being delivered by organized crime rings and 
hostile nation state actors.


After all, not every car with the keys left in it gets stolen, so why 
not? ;)




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Re: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

And don't forget that the last piece of the AR improvement hasn't landed
yet which will also improve DG performance.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom Glod wrote:
>
> > Update on this ..  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to
> > cut it for my needs in applications where performance matters.
> >  Datagrid is built using custom properties.  which are way way way
> > slower than accessing variables  i haven't tested in a while but last
> > i did it was orrders of magnitude slower.
>
> I would be interested in seeing those tests.  Vars are much faster than
> fields, and still faster than custom props but much less so.
>
> I would imagine the bigger bottleneck is with rendering so many nested
> groups of objects.
>
> All that said, if you know your total size will not exceed 32k px it's
> easy enough to use one group populated with row groups copied in as needed.
>
> But if you need to go beyond 32k px you'll find the geometry becomes
> unpredictable with the integer limit.  For that you'd need to replicate
> Trevor's hard work in virtualizing what's on screen vs what's in memory,
> and handling the scrollbar via script rather than letting the engine handle
> it.  With all that work it may be simple to fork the existing DG if needed.
>
> But either is a bit of work, so I would think time spent isolating the
> true bottleneck first would be time well spent.
>
> Please let us know what you find.
>
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Re: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tom Glod wrote:

> Update on this ..  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to
> cut it for my needs in applications where performance matters.
>  Datagrid is built using custom properties.  which are way way way
> slower than accessing variables  i haven't tested in a while but last
> i did it was orrders of magnitude slower.

I would be interested in seeing those tests.  Vars are much faster than 
fields, and still faster than custom props but much less so.


I would imagine the bigger bottleneck is with rendering so many nested 
groups of objects.


All that said, if you know your total size will not exceed 32k px it's 
easy enough to use one group populated with row groups copied in as needed.


But if you need to go beyond 32k px you'll find the geometry becomes 
unpredictable with the integer limit.  For that you'd need to replicate 
Trevor's hard work in virtualizing what's on screen vs what's in memory, 
and handling the scrollbar via script rather than letting the engine 
handle it.  With all that work it may be simple to fork the existing DG 
if needed.


But either is a bit of work, so I would think time spent isolating the 
true bottleneck first would be time well spent.


Please let us know what you find.

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Re: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Wondering if a widget would work for this. The tree widget doesn’t to a great 
job with extremely large data sets though.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 11, 2018, 10:22 PM -0500, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Update on this .. I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to cut it
> for my needs in applications where performance matters. Datagrid is built
> using custom properties. which are way way way slower than accessing
> variables i haven't tested in a while but last i did it was orrders of
> magnitude slower. that is its major bottleneck, and i think i have to move
> away from moving the LC grid for my needs.
>
> So i think i need to make my own grid solution that covers both different
> sized rows, better performance, and no without all the duplication of data..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 6/19/2018 4:52 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > I haven’t done much of anything with the datagrid, but I am
> > > wondering what happens if one of the cells in your row
> > > has an image in it? Will the row resize to be able to show
> > > the minimum height of the image? If so, that might be
> > > a work around for you.
> > >
> > Unfortunately, the Datagrid row height in "Table" mode does not resize
> > with contents whether a cell contains an Image, text, or whatever. Rows
> > are all of equal height in pixels that can be set by the developer.
> >
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Re: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Update on this ..  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to cut it
for my needs in applications where performance matters.  Datagrid is built
using custom properties.  which are way way way slower than accessing
variables  i haven't tested in a while but last i did it was orrders of
magnitude slower. that is its major bottleneck, and i think i have to move
away from moving the LC grid for my needs.

So i think i need to make my own grid solution that covers both different
sized rows, better performance, and no without all the duplication of data..



On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 6/19/2018 4:52 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I haven’t done much of anything with the datagrid, but I am
> > wondering what happens if one of the cells in your row
> > has an image in it? Will the row resize to be able to show
> > the minimum height of the image?  If so, that might be
> > a work around for you.
> >
>  Unfortunately, the Datagrid row height in "Table" mode does not resize
> with contents whether a cell contains an Image, text, or whatever. Rows
> are all of equal height in pixels that can be set by the developer.
>
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Re: Docker

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/11/2018 05:16 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

They'll be more annoyed that their car isn't where they left it.  Of course
if they understand sock science, maybe they'll go look for it in the dryer.


Shouldn't be a problem.
They can just take Bob's car and wonder why the presets got changed.

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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:43 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known
>> exploits, it's no longer safe to use.
>
> I think it depends on what you use it for.

True. If you unplug the power and use it as a doorstop, it's completely 
safe. Anything else involves varying degrees of risk. :)


Running outdated software is one of the leading reasons 80% of American 
businesses have experienced at least one form of hack or another.



> I have yet to see a MacOS "exploit" that didn't require the end user
> do something they ought not to do, and/or authenticate an action they
> didn't initiate. And by exploit, I mean access the OS via network
> protocol and bypass protections in place to prevent it without user
> action or intervention.

That's true of most OSes.  But look deeper.  They're rarer, but they exist.

And even those that require user action, those actions may seem 
innocuous to many users who do not understand the implications, or can 
use exploits in other software to gain elevated privileges which can 
then be used with exploits requiring admin.


The deeper you look, the murkier things get.

Sometimes even authentication itself becomes vulnerable:

   Passwords are stored in the Mac's Keychain, which typically
   requires a master login password to access the vault.

   But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker
   to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned
   app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password.


And we can't forget everyone's favorite, the Meltdown flaw in Intel 
chips like those in systems that run macOS 10.7:



A partial list of vulnerabilities specific to macOS 10.7.5 is here:


That list contains only OS vulnerabilities; other searches can turn up 
additional vulnerabilities against the versions of Safari, Apache, 
rsync, and other programs included in the system which have their own 
lengthy lists of known vulnerabilities.  Combining vulnerabilities 
multiplies threats.


Consider which of the 900+ CVEs against Safari may be used in 
combination with other exploits:




Ultimately, security is a matter of subjective sense of comfort.  The 
sort of person who goes into the shopping mall with they keys left in 
their car will probably feel right at home running an OS where the only 
system patches are being delivered by organized crime rings and hostile 
nation state actors.


After all, not every car with the keys left in it gets stolen, so why 
not? ;)


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Re: Docker

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

They'll be more annoyed that their car isn't where they left it.  Of course
if they understand sock science, maybe they'll go look for it in the dryer.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:09 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/11/2018 03:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> > I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two
> of my three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only
> person who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure
> I haven't entered some alternate universe or something.
>
> That's easy. You got into someone else's unlocked car.
> They're gonna be annoyed if you change those presets.
>
>
>
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Re: Docker

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/11/2018 03:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my 
three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person who 
drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't 
entered some alternate universe or something.


That's easy. You got into someone else's unlocked car.
They're gonna be annoyed if you change those presets.

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Re: Docker

[Roger Guay via use-livecode]

Uh oh. And, how old are you, Bob?

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my 
> three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person 
> who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't 
> entered some alternate universe or something. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2018, at 15:15 , prothero--- via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sock-re-Bleu, this is an odd thread.
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> 
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Re: Docker

[Jerry Jensen via use-livecode]

Probably the same person who breaks into my car every night and turns the radio 
volume way up.
.Jerry

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my 
> three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person 
> who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't 
> entered some alternate universe or something. 


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Re: Docker

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my 
three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person who 
drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't 
entered some alternate universe or something. 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 15:15 , prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sock-re-Bleu, this is an odd thread.
> 
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org


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Re: Docker

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Sock-re-Bleu, this is an odd thread.

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 3:08 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OIC! Dwarves, being generally mischievous, and trolls color blind, I can see 
> how you could run into some QC issues. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2018, at 14:44 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 07/11/2018 02:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your 
>>> one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves 
>>> managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they 
>>> get!
>> 
>> Still to be solved, though, is the conundrum of a sockchain concensus 
>> mechanism, i.e., the Byzantine Generals problem. You wouldn't want to 
>> receive someone else's socks, or worse, a mixed pair.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Docker

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

OIC! Dwarves, being generally mischievous, and trolls color blind, I can see 
how you could run into some QC issues. 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 14:44 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 07/11/2018 02:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your 
>> one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves 
>> managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they 
>> get!
> 
> Still to be solved, though, is the conundrum of a sockchain concensus 
> mechanism, i.e., the Byzantine Generals problem. You wouldn't want to receive 
> someone else's socks, or worse, a mixed pair.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com


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Re: Docker

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/11/2018 02:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your one 
sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves managed by 
troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they get!


Still to be solved, though, is the conundrum of a sockchain concensus 
mechanism, i.e., the Byzantine Generals problem. You wouldn't want to 
receive someone else's socks, or worse, a mixed pair.


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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I think it depends on what you use it for. I have yet to see a MacOS "exploit" 
that didn't require the end user do something they ought not to do, and/or 
authenticate an action they didn't initiate. And by exploit, I mean access the 
OS via network protocol and bypass protections in place to prevent it without 
user action or intervention. 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:43 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bob S wrote:
> 
> >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable
> >> hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's
> >> safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop
> >> using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
> >
> > Obsolete is a strong word.
> 
> Yes, it is.
> 
> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known exploits, 
> it's no longer safe to use.
> 
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Re: Docker

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

The sock monster is real my family has been devastated by it for
years.  I don't find the subject particularly funny.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your
> one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves
> managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they
> get!
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:16 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like there is a need for a new Dropsock service so that socks can
> be
> > posted and shared freely. Or perhaps a bitSock system where those who are
> > advantaged can solve sock chain transactions, but it would require
> everyone
> > to set up a digital hamper to store any earned sock currency.   Next
> thing
> > we know, people will be daisy chaining dryer elements to increase their
> > sockchain computing power, pricing the rest of us out of the market.  Wet
> > sock wearing will be on the rise.
>
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Re: Docker

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your one 
sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves managed by 
troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they get! 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:16 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like there is a need for a new Dropsock service so that socks can be
> posted and shared freely. Or perhaps a bitSock system where those who are
> advantaged can solve sock chain transactions, but it would require everyone
> to set up a digital hamper to store any earned sock currency.   Next thing
> we know, people will be daisy chaining dryer elements to increase their
> sockchain computing power, pricing the rest of us out of the market.  Wet
> sock wearing will be on the rise.


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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Richmond Mathewson wrote:


"it's no longer safe to use"

I wonder how many people actually believe that?


Judging from cases we read about regularly, not enough.

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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

"it's no longer safe to use"

I wonder how many people actually believe that?

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 11:43 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Bob S wrote:

>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable
>> hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's
>> safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop
>> using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>
> Obsolete is a strong word.

Yes, it is.

When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known 
exploits, it's no longer safe to use.


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Re: Docker

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I'd far rather make a list with a glass of wine in my hand rather than
a mouthful of whines.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 9:39 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
gate.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry for the whine.

You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
there's a participation quotient for those.

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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob S wrote:

>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable
>> hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's
>> safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop
>> using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>
> Obsolete is a strong word.

Yes, it is.

When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known 
exploits, it's no longer safe to use.


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Re: Docker

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Sounds like there is a need for a new Dropsock service so that socks can be
posted and shared freely. Or perhaps a bitSock system where those who are
advantaged can solve sock chain transactions, but it would require everyone
to set up a digital hamper to store any earned sock currency.   Next thing
we know, people will be daisy chaining dryer elements to increase their
sockchain computing power, pricing the rest of us out of the market.  Wet
sock wearing will be on the rise.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:53 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure about the rest of it, but the temporally advantaged are not
> eligible unless they actually find and deliver a lost sock.
> Unfortunately that's a catch-22 because the list does not accept
> enclosures, which is something I'd whine about if I had the chance.
>
> On 7/11/18 1:39 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> > Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
> > obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
> > those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
> > gate.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Sorry for the whine.
> >>
> >> You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
> >> there's a participation quotient for those.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Docker

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I'm not sure about the rest of it, but the temporally advantaged are not 
eligible unless they actually find and deliver a lost sock. 
Unfortunately that's a catch-22 because the list does not accept 
enclosures, which is something I'd whine about if I had the chance.


On 7/11/18 1:39 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
gate.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry for the whine.


You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
there's a participation quotient for those.

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Re: Docker

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
gate.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> > Sorry for the whine.
>
> You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
> there's a participation quotient for those.
>
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Re: 9.0.1 "Become An Android Developer"

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I can't remember exactly now, but I think I restarted LC. I probably 
also reset the adb server in Terminal. In any case, the key seems to be 
forcing LC to forget the phone and then re-connect.


On 7/11/18 10:27 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

Well, I rebooted the photo. That fixed it... seems it need to see the newly 
installed SDK.

Brahmanathaswami
  


On 7/11/18, 5:11 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

 ["not a Livecode issue" -- I still think that a lesson on this in needed, 
and that it be maintained for each change required for us to develop on Android, and be 
detailed as much as possible}
 
 OK, I tried by my best,
 
 1) /Users/brahmanathaswami/OneDrive/App-Development/android-sdk-macosx/tools/android

 2) Clicked --> a whole lot of options appear. I don't know I am doing, so 
it is a fishing expedition...
 3) I chose Android 8.0.0 (API 26); check the SDK Platform, uncheck the 
rest (TV, Wear, Pac, Google API, and Source for Android SDK)
 4) install packages(takes some time)
 5) go to 9.0.1 rc1 preferences
 6) install Android: recognized: jdk1.8.0_171.jdk
 7) IDE Test: Yep... I see my device.
 8) build for android it hangs on installing to device.
 9) I have reboot Livecode
 10) go to terminal...
 Brahmanathaswamis-MacBook-Pro:platform-tools brahmanathaswami$ ./adb 
devices
 List of devices attached
 FA6990304414   connecting
 
 What am I missing?
 
 BR


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Re: Docker

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry for the whine.


You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe 
there's a participation quotient for those.


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Re: Docker

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

I understand Mike  wish you all the best in health and happiness
and success with LC second.  Maybe there are things you can do  invite
new ideas ... to try to help.   I study metaphysics and I've seen some very
unexpected connections between our physical health and the thoughts we
believe in  I have had personal experience with that. Big subject, not
the right place.  email me if you are curious.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If I make any real progress, I'll definitely write things down.
>
> Honestly, not sure how far I'll get, seems that every time I feel good
> enough to resume working on projects, the bad health truck parks on my face
> again. *grins from underneath a wheel* Wow what a morning I've been having.
>
> Sorry for the whine.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:52 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Cute. Sounds like sandboxing for clone processes.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 10, 2018, at 16:42 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kubernetes for sure.
> > > This should get you started:
> > >
> > > https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/
> >
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Re: Docker

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

If I make any real progress, I'll definitely write things down.

Honestly, not sure how far I'll get, seems that every time I feel good
enough to resume working on projects, the bad health truck parks on my face
again. *grins from underneath a wheel* Wow what a morning I've been having.

Sorry for the whine.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:52 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Cute. Sounds like sandboxing for clone processes.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2018, at 16:42 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kubernetes for sure.
> > This should get you started:
> >
> > https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/
>
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RE: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

The 1911 is newer than that... It was first manufactured in 1912. All
kidding aside it is as fine a piece of machinery now as it was then.

I run a raid array served up by OpenVMS via SMB. The server has not been
re-booted in a year. No wait I'm wrong not quite a year==> "OpenVMS V7.3-2
on node EISVM1  11-JUL-2018 11:55:06.83  Uptime  254 06:27:50". As the virus
Nazi says "No crypto locker for you OpenVMS". I waste 2 hours that I never
get back every 2 weeks to re-boot my Win 10 host, VMs and Mac to keep
everything running fast. It seems that VMS and non-Mac Linux are by far more
stable and don't need re-boots nearly as often.

I like new tech but I don't dismiss old tech out-of-hand. I would feel much
safer if the FAA airport control towers were still running DOS, Win 3.1 or
preferably some custom OS on custom HW served up by IBM mainframes using
leased private com lines rather than any Windows system connected to the
internet. There's a good idea, connect airport control towers to the
internet, can't see anything going wrong there.

The landfills are filled with millions of Pentium PCs that could be running
tons of useful apps. But no, the world went to bloated OSs(started with XP
SP3) that obsoleted the HW and not only created another environmental
disaster in the landfills(euphemism for un-regulated garbage dump) but also
all the energy needed to manufacture and deliver new PCs.

Sometimes old-school is new-school

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:06 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun made in that same
year is far from obsolete. :-)

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 07:59 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
 wrote:
> 
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my
great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).


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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

sqb

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list
> with reasons why:
>
> 1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL"
> 10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
>I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface is
> a lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;
>and I like coloured icons.
>
> 2. Obsolete.
>
> 2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 and
> saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
> 2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 polycarbonate
> iMac.
> 2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and
> Dad gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
> 2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006
> Intel polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
>  flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of
> the iMac.
> 2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when
> programming with LiveCode.
> 2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver content
> reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
>  via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 12
> years old.
> 2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow
> children to have fun remotely programming various floor robots
>  via Bluetooth.
> 2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second
> monitor as my "main man" for almost everything.
>
> 2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present
> when he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
> for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum and
> too much bother.
>
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my
> great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).
>
> 2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for
> Aquascutum in 1972.
>
> 2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel cover
> of a 1932 Fordson tractor made for
>   me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.
>
> 3. Upgrade.
>
> I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.
>
> 4. Update.
>
> quod erat demonstrandum
>
> 4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day .
> . .
>
> As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if
> that new thing will allow you to a vast number of things
> that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who
>> firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a
>> device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer
>> device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current
>> software. But a third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a
>> device can no longer perform it's function for which it was obtained.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware
>>> obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently
>>> their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>
>>
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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

Richmond,
Just wondering how you have time to do all that you do!
I’m awed!
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list 
> with reasons why:
> 
> 1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL" 10 
> years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
>   I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface is a 
> lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;
>   and I like coloured icons.
> 
> 2. Obsolete.
> 
> 2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 and 
> saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
> 2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 polycarbonate 
> iMac.
> 2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and Dad 
> gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
> 2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006 Intel 
> polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
> flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of the 
> iMac.
> 2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when 
> programming with LiveCode.
> 2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver content 
> reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
> via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 12 
> years old.
> 2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow children 
> to have fun remotely programming various floor robots
> via Bluetooth.
> 2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second monitor 
> as my "main man" for almost everything.
> 
> 2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present when 
> he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
> for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum and too 
> much bother.
> 
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my 
> great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).
> 
> 2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for 
> Aquascutum in 1972.
> 
> 2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel cover of 
> a 1932 Fordson tractor made for
>  me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.
> 
> 3. Upgrade.
> 
> I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.
> 
> 4. Update.
> 
> quod erat demonstrandum
> 
> 4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day . . .
> 
> As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if that 
> new thing will allow you to a vast number of things
> that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who 
>> firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a device. 
>> But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer device is 
>> obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current software. But a 
>> third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a device can no longer 
>> perform it's function for which it was obtained.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware 
>>> obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently 
>>> their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
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Re: 9.0.1 "Become An Android Developer"

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

Well, I rebooted the photo. That fixed it... seems it need to see the newly 
installed SDK.

Brahmanathaswami
 

On 7/11/18, 5:11 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via 
use-livecode"  wrote:

["not a Livecode issue" -- I still think that a lesson on this in needed, 
and that it be maintained for each change required for us to develop on 
Android, and be detailed as much as possible}

OK, I tried by my best,

1) 
/Users/brahmanathaswami/OneDrive/App-Development/android-sdk-macosx/tools/android
2) Clicked --> a whole lot of options appear. I don't know I am doing, so 
it is a fishing expedition...
3) I chose Android 8.0.0 (API 26); check the SDK Platform, uncheck the rest 
(TV, Wear, Pac, Google API, and Source for Android SDK)
4) install packages(takes some time)
5) go to 9.0.1 rc1 preferences
6) install Android: recognized: jdk1.8.0_171.jdk
7) IDE Test: Yep... I see my device.
8) build for android it hangs on installing to device.
9) I have reboot Livecode
10) go to terminal... 
Brahmanathaswamis-MacBook-Pro:platform-tools brahmanathaswami$ ./adb devices
List of devices attached
FA6990304414connecting

What am I missing?

BR

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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Just don't shoot me until after I've brushed my hair (and changed my 
underpants).


[and before the comments roll: I buy new underpants about twice a year: 
no 1911 long-johns for me.]


Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 6:06 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun made in that same 
year is far from obsolete. :-)

Bob S



On Jul 11, 2018, at 07:59 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
 wrote:

2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my 
great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).


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9.0.1 "Become An Android Developer"

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode]

["not a Livecode issue" -- I still think that a lesson on this in needed, and 
that it be maintained for each change required for us to develop on Android, 
and be detailed as much as possible}

OK, I tried by my best,

1) 
/Users/brahmanathaswami/OneDrive/App-Development/android-sdk-macosx/tools/android
2) Clicked --> a whole lot of options appear. I don't know I am doing, so it is 
a fishing expedition...
3) I chose Android 8.0.0 (API 26); check the SDK Platform, uncheck the rest 
(TV, Wear, Pac, Google API, and Source for Android SDK)
4) install packages(takes some time)
5) go to 9.0.1 rc1 preferences
6) install Android: recognized: jdk1.8.0_171.jdk
7) IDE Test: Yep... I see my device.
8) build for android it hangs on installing to device.
9) I have reboot Livecode
10) go to terminal... 
Brahmanathaswamis-MacBook-Pro:platform-tools brahmanathaswami$ ./adb devices
List of devices attached
FA6990304414connecting

What am I missing?

BR


J. Landman 
Android devs should note 
that you need to have SDK 8 or higher installed (the informative 
notification dialog was a big help here.) I installed 7, 8, and 8.1 and 
LC then allowed me to re-select the SDK in preferences, the phone 
showed 
up in the Target menu, and I could do a test build.



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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun made in that same 
year is far from obsolete. :-)

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 07:59 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my 
> great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).


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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t 
list with reasons why:


1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL" 
10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
   I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface 
is a lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;

   and I like coloured icons.

2. Obsolete.

2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 
and saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 
polycarbonate iMac.
2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and 
Dad gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006 
Intel polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
 flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of 
the iMac.
2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when 
programming with LiveCode.
2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver 
content reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
 via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 
12 years old.
2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow 
children to have fun remotely programming various floor robots

 via Bluetooth.
2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second 
monitor as my "main man" for almost everything.


2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present 
when he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum 
and too much bother.


2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my 
great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).


2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for 
Aquascutum in 1972.


2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel 
cover of a 1932 Fordson tractor made for

  me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.

3. Upgrade.

I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.

4. Update.

quod erat demonstrandum

4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day 
. . .


As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if 
that new thing will allow you to a vast number of things

that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who 
firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a device. 
But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer device is 
obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current software. But a third 
level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a device can no longer perform 
it's function for which it was obtained.

Bob S



On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware obsolete 
prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently their 
guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.

--
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Fourth World Systems
Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web


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Re: Docker

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Cute. Sounds like sandboxing for clone processes. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 16:42 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kubernetes for sure.
> This should get you started:
> 
> https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/


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Re: Docker

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

You may want to reserve a couple cores for the OS. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 14:40 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mostly i'm looking to learn how things work, but the end goal is to a) have
> a front lc based controller (httpd) that can hand off jobs to a pool of
> docker "processors," and getting a handle on how to dynamically spin up
> more instances based on demand.  (kubernetes?)  I don't know enough yet to
> use the right words.  I could do all this exploration without lc, but it is
> so much easier to put together whatever processors I want in lc, so that I
> can spend most of my (limited) energy focusing on the docker side.
> 
> One thing I may try to set up..  I have an old HP z800, with 24 possible
> threads, and I also have most of the (english) files from project
> gutenberg. I'd like to process and index all those files into a searchable
> database, using 24 docker images at once, each assigned to a core.  IE take
> advantage of my knowledge of LC, while at the same time, bypassing its
> single thread limitations.


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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who 
firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a device. 
But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer device is 
obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current software. But a third 
level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a device can no longer perform 
it's function for which it was obtained. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware obsolete 
> prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently their 
> guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web


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Re: Docker

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Way cool MikeI hope you share your findings and experiments with us.

On a similar wavelength.

I am preparing a demo on multi-core processing with LC for the september
conference.  Of course its not true multi-core processing . but hoping
to get good speed-ups results on a variety of tasks. Like search, api calls
& requests, and anything that can maximize cpu usage.  i need it for my own
work so its a great way of getting things done.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> https://hub.docker.com/r/techstrategies/livecode/
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Oh, yeah?

Next you'll be telling me that all your Quarks are charmed!

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 2:15 pm, FlexibleLearning.com via use-livecode wrote:

Mark Wieder wrote:
  > ...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"
  >
  > A tachyon walks into a bar...

I don't have time for tachyon jokes :)

Hugh Senior
FLCo


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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1

[FlexibleLearning.com via use-livecode]

Mark Wieder wrote:
 > ...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"
 >
 > A tachyon walks into a bar...

I don't have time for tachyon jokes :)

Hugh Senior
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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

There's 2 good bits of advice.

Thanks.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 7:18 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Richmond wrote:

> 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
> upgraded above 10.7.5
>
> 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.

FWIW I've found good deals on used Mac Minis on eBay.

Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware 
obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained 
apparently their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Frankly my morals are a bit "flexible" in the area of Hackintoshes, but 
my laziness tells me that

I'd be far better to get my Linux box sorted out . . . as:

1. Although Macintoshes are "jolly pretty" and easy to use, I have, to 
be honest,
got past the stage of playing with plastic ducks in the bathtub, and the 
rigidity of the

Macintosh family of operating systems does get on my nerves.

2. For about $100 I can get a Linux system that "beats the cr*p" out of 
a Macintosh.


3. After the Hackintosh suggestion I spent 15 minutes looking at how to 
set up a Mac system on non-Mac
hardware and I really wondered what would happen pumping diesel into my 
two-stroke moped.


4. The ONLY reason I reverted to Macintosh (1993-2005 Macs, 2005-2016 
Linux, 2016-2018 Macs)
was that I was able to lay my sweaty paws on some rather groovy 
Polycarbonate 2006 iMacs.


These iMacs are super as far as they go. But with LiveCode 9 they don't go.

--

There was a time when standalones for Macintosh pumped out of LiveCode 
running on Linux would
not behave themselves on Macintosh: it would help me greatly if someone 
could let me know if

that is still the case.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 3:42 am, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:

In the end Hacks require creation of a boot rom from unsupported sources.
Copyright?
it's also a bit of work.



--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Ah... I feel your pain... Of course, a little bird has told me that the
"HackIntosh" approach is WAY cheaper than original Apple hardware and
"rumor" has it that such implementations run up to High Sierra perfectly on
ridiculously inexpensive platforms.  Naturally, these are all just vicious
rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share
... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never
heard it from me!  Apple rules!

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935


Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

"elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts:

1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be

upgraded above 10.7.5

2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.

Richmond.

On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:

Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that

matter), could you elucidate on the

specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which

systems YOU employ which are not

compatible with LC v9...

If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities

regarding LC v9, other than those

listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would

appreciate knowing about them and

have them encapsulated in one place.

Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or

reported bugs?

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935


It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix
this problem for those of us confined to systems that cannot work

with LC 9.

Richmond.

On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-dae...@meg.on-rev.com wrote:

Panos Merakos  changed bug 19998

What  Removed Added
StatusAWAITING_RELEASERESOLVED
Resolution--- FIXED

*Comment # 5 
on bug 19998 
from Panos Merakos  * Hi all,

This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:

https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Best,
Panos

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Re: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 07/10/2018 10:32 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Mark Wieder wrote:
 > ...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"
 >
 > A tachyon walks into a bar...

That sounds like a UDP joke, but maybe you didn't get it.





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