Regarding the interactive tutorial

[Jim Byrnes]

Is there a way to "rewind" it. That is back up a step or two. I managed 
to mess it up a couple of times and it would have been nice to redo a 
previous step instead of having to start over.


I'm curious if anyone else using Linux (Ubuntu in my case) had trouble 
figuring out how to scroll the icon picker.  It wasn't until I googled 
and saw a screen shot that I noticed the little handle you use.  Even 
after I knew what to look for I trouble seeing it.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Ho to pay pledge

[Jim Byrnes]

On 05/24/2016 11:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 05/24/2016 06:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 5/24/2016 8:08 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 05/24/2016 04:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

I received an email with a customized link. In fact, I got three of
them. Maybe one was yours...


I also got three of them, and none of them work.



I had to do it in Safari, at least on Mac. My copy of Thunderbird is so
locked down it wouldn't let the scripts run.



Ah. I guess they don't need money from us linux users.


I only got two of them, but I am on Linux and it worked without any 
problems for me. Got a thank you and confirmation by email.



On a related note, it appears the whole web site has been dumbed down
yet another notch to the point where I can no longer find anything.



I haven't noticed that specifically on Livecode, but it seems to be a 
trend.  Sites that used to have a nice concise list of links now have a 
disjointed jumble of tiles cluttering up the page.  Web designers must 
be catering to smart phone users. Soon desktop users will be a thing of 
the past.


Regards, Jim


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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

[Jim Byrnes]

On 05/13/2016 04:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Dave Kilroy 
wrote:


My regards to all who have pledged or who intend to pledge, no matter how
little or how much - and I'll see you on the sunny side of the street some
day!

Kind regards

Dave



Just pledged. I'm in.

sqb



I just looked at the site and I see an invoice will be sent but I don't 
see any mention of a payment method.  I don't have or want a Paypal 
account, so will credit cards be accepted?


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Weird behavior of LC 8.0 in Ubuntu 14.04

[Jim Byrnes]

On 05/04/2016 05:15 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Jim Byrnes <jf_byrnes@...> writes:


I am curious to see if any other Ubuntu users are seeing anything
similar.  For now I am guessing that LC 8 is somehow interacting with
some desktop or theme setting I have set.


The backdrop doesn't work on linux.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17323



Mark,

Thanks for the link.  Having a second monitor seems to add an extra 
dimension to the bug.


Regards,  Jim


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Weird behavior of LC 8.0 in Ubuntu 14.04

[Jim Byrnes]

Running Ubuntu 14.04 - AMD64

I downloaded LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_0-Linux.x64 from livecode.org.

When the installation finished I clicked on the run button but it did 
not run. I was able to start it using the Dash.


At some point I was asked if I wanted to update to LC 8 DP16. Before 
this install I did not have any version of LC 8 on this machine. I do 
have LC 7.1.1 on it.


Once running I noticed that the menu bar was dark black with very faint, 
unreadable gray menu items. Dropping down the menu gives the same look. 
Dragging the mouse over them highlites them and makes them readable.


Now the weird part.

I have 2 monitors. The left hand one is hdmi and the right hand one is 
dvi.  The right hand one is the default monitor, meaning all the boot up 
messages appear on that monitor. When I run LC 8 the splash screen 
appears on the left hand monitor and LC opens on the right hand monitor. 
As soon as live code opens the left hand monitor goes completely black. 
 The first time it happened I thought the monitor had turned off.  I 
found that if I drag an open program from the right hand monitor to the 
left hand one the background remains black but the Dash, the Launcher 
and the program I dragged over all appear. If I drag the open program 
back to the right hand monitor the left hand on goes black again.


I have been using LC 7.1.1 with out seeing this behavior, as a test I 
opened LC 7.1.1 and now it did the same thing. I opened 20 some other 
programs and LC is the only on that causes this behavior.



I did some experimenting and found the cause. The menu entry 
View-->Backdrop was checked.  Once I unchecked it the problem went away.
Note: It is possible that I checked Backdrop when I was trying to make 
the menu bar more readable.


I am curious to see if any other Ubuntu users are seeing anything 
similar.  For now I am guessing that LC 8 is somehow interacting with 
some desktop or theme setting I have set.


Regards,  Jim






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Re: A brief message about my book

[Jim Byrnes]

On 04/16/2016 03:24 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're currently at the fourth print run of my book Programming LiveCode
for the Real Beginner. We decided to print a large stock of books, so we
have plenty of copies available for immediate delivery.

The fourth print of Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner has been
updated to include a number of new XML commands, which were introduced
after the first release of the book. I have also added a few remarks
about LiveCode 7 to the chapter on Unicode.

Before the official release of LiveCode 7, I had the impression I were
going to have to rewrite parts of the book. Fortunately, it appears that
all examples can still be executed in LiveCode 7 and even the
text-related subjects are still current. It looks like the examples in
the book are also fully compatible with LiveCode 8.

You can order the book at http://tinyurl.com/livecodebook and more info
is available at http://tinyurl.com/livecodeblog



I live in the US and ordered the book at the end of Feb. I haven't 
received it yet and was becoming worried. Hopefully the delay was caused 
by the update and not because it was lost in shipment.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Does autoupdater work in Linux?

[Jim Byrnes]

On 04/12/2016 08:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 04/12/2016 05:26 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:

Running Ubuntu 14.04 - Livecode 8.0.0-DP-16.

I clicked on help-->check for updates but nothing downloaded. If I look
in /.runrev/updates/livecode I see that a update_uuid.txt was generated
and was timestamped about the time I tried to update but nothing was
updated.


Never has worked, afaik.



OK, thanks for the info.

Regards, Jim


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Does autoupdater work in Linux?

[Jim Byrnes]

Running Ubuntu 14.04 - Livecode 8.0.0-DP-16.

I clicked on help-->check for updates but nothing downloaded. If I look 
in /.runrev/updates/livecode I see that a update_uuid.txt was generated 
and was timestamped about the time I tried to update but nothing was 
updated.


Regards, Jim


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Re: Difficulty using Livecode.com

[Jim Byrnes]

On 04/01/2016 06:47 PM, Jim Kanter wrote:

Then there’s this:

https://livecode.com/new-livecode-app-building-course/




I guess this is part of what confused me. That link leads to a $75 course.

This one leads to a $59 course.

https://livecode.com/courses/create-it-with-livecode-course/

Early on I was just looking around for info and didn't pay close enough 
attention to how I got to these courses.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Difficulty using Livecode.com

[Jim Byrnes]

On 04/01/2016 12:41 AM, Tore Nilsen wrote:

If you want to access the app building course you should click on
your name in the upper right corner of the web page (when you are
logged in). You will then find a link to the app building course in
the menu to the left of the new page which contains various
information about your lisences.

Tore


OK, I did that.  You must be referring to Products --> Create it with 
LiveCode Trial.


[1] That takes me here: 
https://livecode.com/courses/create-it-with-livecode-course/ Where I see 
2 buttons. (Enroll Now | $59) and (Start Trial).


[2] If I click on (Enroll Now) I go here: 
https://www.cleverbridge.com/1288/surl-GWVb1g9whO. I see a shopping cart 
to purchase an Indy license, nothing about the $59 app building course.


[3] There is a (Continue Shopping) button there. I clicked on it 
thinking it may lead to the app building course but it lead here: 
http://livecode.com/


Unless I messed up somehow this is not going to lead to many app course 
sales. I tried it with both PaleMoon (a Firefox fork) and Chrome on Ubuntu.


Now a question about the course.  I clicked on the trial and stepped 
through it a bit.  I see it is based on the BYU course. A while ago I 
looked at the BYU course and was told that it wasn't suitable for Linux 
users at this time, apparently because it was graphics intensive.


Right now I am interested in learning Livecode on the desktop only, 
mobile may come later.  Looking at the list of lessons on the right I 
don't see anything that jumps out at me as being very graphics 
intensive. So is this version less graphics intensive?


If I could work my way through most of the desktop centered lesions 
using Linux the price is certainly right.


Regards,  Jim


1. apr. 2016 kl. 03.24 skrev Jim Byrnes
<jf_byr...@comcast.net>:

As a new user I sometimes find Livecode.com difficult to use.
Generally speaking I find some parts of it not very intuitive.
Specifically I had this problem:

[1] I go to Livecode.com and click on the Get Started button.

[2] That takes me here: https://livecode.com/download/. Since I
have already downloaded Livecode, I fill out my firstname and email
and click the Get Started button.

[3] I am informed (correctly) that this email is already associated
with a Livecode account, log in (here) instead. So I click (here)
and go here: https://livecode.com/download/ and log in.

[4] Then I am taken to here:
http://livecode.com/account/products/livecode. At this point I am
wondering why I was not taken back to the getting started page to
move on in the app building tutorial.

[5] Not sure what I should do at this point. I go back to
livecode.com. I fill out the form again and click the get started
button and receive the same message about logging in, but I just
logged in and the site seems to know I am logged in because my name
is displayed in the upper right hand corner.

Maybe the page is only for people that do not have an account, but
sending a person that has an account on an endless loop leads to a
frustrating experience.

Of course maybe I am misunderstanding something about the site, if
so I would appreciate someone showing me where I went wrong.

Regards,  Jim


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Re: Difficulty using Livecode.com

[Jim Byrnes]

On 04/01/2016 12:35 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim, you're my new hero.  Everyone has all sorts of opinions about the
web site, but you took the time to document your journey through the
taxonomy, noting each specific step.  Well done.

It may seem like basic stuff and it is.  But of course the site at
passed review when it was posted, so it seems link rot set in along the
way with other changes.  Your detailed steps will be very helpful in
getting that resolved.

I've forwarded your notes to the web designer, who will no doubt review
them with great interest as they continue their site refinements in
anticipation of the v8 launch.

If just want to get started with a download, use the Download links to
take you here:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/


I wanted to take a look at the app building tutorial.  I had looked at 
it a couple of months ago when I first discovered Livecode and was 
wondering if it had been updated for version 8.



Thanks again for your notes.


Thanks for your kind words. I don't have a lot of technical expertise so 
I usually receive much more from forums like this than I can return.


Regards,  Jim


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


Jim Byrnes wrote:

As a new user I sometimes find Livecode.com difficult to use.  Generally
speaking I find some parts of it not very intuitive. Specifically I had
this problem:

[1] I go to Livecode.com and click on the Get Started button.

[2] That takes me here: https://livecode.com/download/. Since I have
already downloaded Livecode, I fill out my firstname and email and click
the Get Started button.

[3] I am informed (correctly) that this email is already associated with
a Livecode account, log in (here) instead. So I click (here) and go
here: https://livecode.com/download/ and log in.

[4] Then I am taken to here:
http://livecode.com/account/products/livecode. At this point I am
wondering why I was not taken back to the getting started page to move
on in the app building tutorial.

[5] Not sure what I should do at this point. I go back to livecode.com.
I fill out the form again and click the get started button and receive
the same message about logging in, but I just logged in and the site
seems to know I am logged in because my name is displayed in the upper
right hand corner.

Maybe the page is only for people that do not have an account, but
sending a person that has an account on an endless loop leads to a
frustrating experience.

Of course maybe I am misunderstanding something about the site, if so I
would appreciate someone showing me where I went wrong.

Regards,  Jim



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Difficulty using Livecode.com

[Jim Byrnes]

As a new user I sometimes find Livecode.com difficult to use.  Generally 
speaking I find some parts of it not very intuitive. Specifically I had 
this problem:


[1] I go to Livecode.com and click on the Get Started button.

[2] That takes me here: https://livecode.com/download/. Since I have 
already downloaded Livecode, I fill out my firstname and email and click 
the Get Started button.


[3] I am informed (correctly) that this email is already associated with 
a Livecode account, log in (here) instead. So I click (here) and go 
here: https://livecode.com/download/ and log in.


[4] Then I am taken to here: 
http://livecode.com/account/products/livecode. At this point I am 
wondering why I was not taken back to the getting started page to move 
on in the app building tutorial.


[5] Not sure what I should do at this point. I go back to livecode.com.
I fill out the form again and click the get started button and receive 
the same message about logging in, but I just logged in and the site 
seems to know I am logged in because my name is displayed in the upper 
right hand corner.


Maybe the page is only for people that do not have an account, but 
sending a person that has an account on an endless loop leads to a 
frustrating experience.


Of course maybe I am misunderstanding something about the site, if so I 
would appreciate someone showing me where I went wrong.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Problem updating to Version 8 (DP16)

[Jim Byrnes]

On 03/24/2016 05:21 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 24/03/2016 20:43, Jim Byrnes wrote:

I have version 8 (DP 14) installed on my laptop running Ubuntu 14.04.

When I opened the start center there were a couple of buttons visible.
One referred to version 7.xx and the other was an upgrade to DP 16. I
clicked on the DP 16 button a download progress bar appeared. I must
have lost my internet connection because when I checked back the
progress bar was gone but Livecode was not upgraded to DP 16.

Closing and restarting the Start Center did not offer the upgrade
anymore and even Help-->check for upgrades did nothing.

Could someone tell me how to get upgrades to work again?


Hi Jim,

We have found that there are some editions for which the autoupdater
will not work.  This was due to an error in the autoupdater's HTTPS
support.

When upgrading from those editions, it's necessary to manually download
the update.

If you're having difficulty with the "Check for updates" feature I do
recommend downloading the installer for the version you're trying to
update to from https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode

Peter



Peter,

That worked. I now have DP 16 installed and running next to DP 14. Just 
in case I missed it, is there a way to have the installer update the 
installed version?


Thanks,  Jim


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Problem updating to Version 8 (DP16)

[Jim Byrnes]

I have version 8 (DP 14) installed on my laptop running Ubuntu 14.04.

When I opened the start center there were a couple of buttons visible. 
One referred to version 7.xx and the other was an upgrade to DP 16. I 
clicked on the DP 16 button a download progress bar appeared. I must 
have lost my internet connection because when I checked back the 
progress bar was gone but Livecode was not upgraded to DP 16.


Closing and restarting the Start Center did not offer the upgrade 
anymore and even Help-->check for upgrades did nothing.


Could someone tell me how to get upgrades to work again?

Thanks,  Jim


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Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/29/2016 02:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

William Prothero wrote:

 > Richard;
 > Agreed. Perhaps it’s my age. Yes, of course it won’t be a good
 > strategy to compare Livecode to Hypercard. I only brought it up in
 > an attempt to contrast the wide early adoption of Hypercard by
 > educators, to the current environment where there are so many
 > choices and also where knowledge of specific programming languages
 > seems to be tied to employment requirements at some IT companies.
 > That said, I think that livecode has amazing potential in education
 > and elsewhere. I hope to support that.

Personally I see no reason LiveCode can't become the go-to choice for
teaching CS basics.

Right now we see Scratch used for some of that, but the boundaries of
any point-and-click system are encountered pretty quickly.  For young
users it can be a good starting point, but most outgrow it fairly quickly.

I've seen some who move students directly from Scratch to JavaScript or
even Java, and I'm no educator but I've read just enough Piaget to
believe that's not a good choice.

By far the most popular learning language today is Python, which is in
most respects a pretty great language.  But the distance between "I want
to build an app" and "Look, I built an app!" needs to be as short as
possible to keep young learners engaged, and since Python follows the
traditional approach of treating UI as an afterthought a lot of
foundational work needs to be done with learners before they can build
even a simple app.


Funny you mention Python.  I learned of Livecode's existence on on 
Python list.  Someone was looking for a drag and drop UI builder and 
someone said it wasn't python, but Livecode seemed to be what he was 
looking for.


Regards,  Jim



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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/28/2016 09:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 02/28/2016 07:20 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:


Finally had time to give this a try and it is exactly what I was trying
to accomplish.  I am still learning how to work with the ide.  Once I
had the group set up, at first I couldn't figure out how to make any
changes to it, but finally figured it out.


Yes, I think working with groups is one of the less intuitive things
about the environment. Feel free to post more questions - things take a
bit of getting used to.

I forgot to mention when I posted that there's a preference setting (the
top item under General) labeled "Property labels are:" and the default
is something like "Description of option" (can't really tell because
it's cut off on linux)... I have it changed to the other option, which
is probably "Name of LiveCode property", and things will no doubt make
more sense if you change your setting as well.



OK, thanks, just changed it.  Curious that they are cut off for you, as 
I am running linux and I can see them fine. Actually about an inch of 
blank space after each caption.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 05:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 02/25/2016 02:42 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:


The other environments I have used had a control that was essentially a
box with a border around it. At the left end of the top border you could
embed a label in the border itself. You could then drop other controls
inside the box. It just called attention to certain controls.

I didn't see anything like that in Livecode and was experimenting to see
if I could create the effect.


Good. That's what I thought you were trying to accomplish.
With LiveCode that's done with a group. Try this:

create a new stack
drop a label field onto the stack
drop a couple of radio buttons onto the stack

now shift-click or drag the cursor to select them
from the Object menu select "Group Selected"
  (or just press control-G)

you'll probably want to fiddle with the visual aspects of the group:
double-click or right-click on one of the controls
  to bring up the property inspector
check 'showBorder'
enter a label for the group
check the unfortunately-named 'showName'



Mark,

Finally had time to give this a try and it is exactly what I was trying 
to accomplish.  I am still learning how to work with the ide.  Once I 
had the group set up, at first I couldn't figure out how to make any 
changes to it, but finally figured it out.


Thanks,  Jim


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Re: Is this a dictionary error?

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/26/2016 06:33 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:30 AM, Jim Byrnes <jf_byr...@comcast.net> wrote:



Comments:
It is convenient to use the revDataFromQuery function, instead of
revDatabaseQuery,...



Which version are you using? When I check the LC 8.0 dp15 Dictionary it
says under Description:

It is convenient to use the revDataFromQuery function, instead of
revQueryDatabase, when you want to obtain the data for use but don't need
to retain a reference to the records that the data came from.

It would appear that it was an error but has been fixed.


I should have mentioned that it is 7.1.1.

Regards,  Jim



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Is this a dictionary error?

[Jim Byrnes]

I was researching connecting to a sqlite db.  In the dictionary I was 
reading about revDataFromQuery. In the comments section I read this:


Comments:
It is convenient to use the revDataFromQuery function, instead of 
revDatabaseQuery,...


When I searched for revDatabaseQuery I couldn't find it. Should that be 
revQueryDatabase instead?


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 09:50 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jim Byrnes <jf_byr...@comcast.net> wrote:

That worked, thank you very much.




And just in case you are wondering how it got that way, as you didn't type

any commands. My guess is that this property can be set within the Property
Inspector - typically accessed via the Object menu via, Object Inspector,
Card Inspector or Stack Inspector. You probably had this open when giving
the stack, label field and radio buttons names or other properties (labels,
size, default font etc). In the case of a stack the 'Can't Modify' property
is a checkbox towards the bottom of the Property Inspector. You probably
accidentally clicked on it - clicking on the words, not just the checkbox
will activate/deactivate each checkbox.



I think you are right.  I was looking around trying to get the look I 
wanted and probably hit something by mistake.


Regards,  Jim



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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 07:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:

 > On 02/25/2016 06:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Try this in the Message Box (replacing "YourStack" with your stack's
 >> name of course):
 >>
 >>put the mode of stack "YourStack" && the style of stack "YourStack"
 >>
 >
 > This results in: 2 toplevel

Hunch confirmed:  if you look up mode in the Dictionary you'll see the
mode is an integer that refers to the current state of the stack.

Stack modes can be made persistent with the style property, but you can
also temporarily change the mode of a stack without changing the
persistent style property by using the style name as a command, e.g.:

   palette "some stack"

...will open it as a palette, but if its style is toplevel then using:

   open stack "some stack"

...will open it in its style, toplevel.

There is one other way to affect mode, specific to mode 2:  that one's
cantModify, which can be affected by setting the stack's cantModify
property.

So if you run this in the Message Box you should be good to go:

   set the cantmodify of stack "YourStack" to false

Then save it, or you'll be back in this spot again next time you open it.



That worked, thank you very much.  I must say this is a friendly, 
helpful group.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 06:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:

 > On 02/25/2016 04:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Try this in the Message Box:
 >>
 >>put the name of this stack && the mode of this stack
 >>
 >
 > Doing that results in:  stack "revMenubar" 2


This is my bad. I just realized after selecting the message box I did 
not select my stack before running your command,

 if I do the result is: stack "Passwords" 2


Hmmm...if your stack was toplevel then revMenubar wouldn't be "this
stack", suggesting that your stack's style property was changed.

Try this in the Message Box (replacing "YourStack" with your stack's
name of course):

   put the mode of stack "YourStack" && the style of stack "YourStack"



This results in: 2 toplevel




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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 04:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:

Here ctrl-tab toggles the tool palette. I tried a number of modifier
keys + another key combinations with no effect.  To me it looks like I
am stuck in run mode.  I can drag a control off of the palette and drop
it on the stack, but it just disappears.


Hmm...I wonder if somehow the cantModify of the stack became set, or
perhaps the stack's mode isn't toplevel.

Try this in the Message Box:

   put the name of this stack && the mode of this stack



Doing that results in:  stack "revMenubar" 2

Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 03:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 02/25/2016 12:44 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:

On 02/25/2016 11:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:
 > At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.
 > I had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size.
 > Then I dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the
 > label. I was renaming them and changing the label text when the
 > problem occurred.


I also can't replicate your problem, but I'm curious about what you were
trying to accomplish here... dropping radio buttons "inside the
boundaries of the label" will place them in front of the label (I'm not
going to get into the religious war of whether they're "above" or
"under" the label in the message path), but they're otherwise not
connected with the label.


When I start to teach myself a new language I usually read the docs, do 
some tutorials and for practice recreate a program I have written in 
other languages. In this case a simple little program to store some info 
in a sqlite db.


The other environments I have used had a control that was essentially a 
box with a border around it. At the left end of the top border you could 
embed a label in the border itself. You could then drop other controls 
inside the box. It just called attention to certain controls.


I didn't see anything like that in Livecode and was experimenting to see 
if I could create the effect.



I do find it buggy that if I follow your procedure and then click on the
label text to select the large-border label, I am then unable to select
the buttons, even though they are in front of the label, without first
clicking somewhere else to deselect the label field. I'll file a bug on
that one.

As far as the cursor changing to a hand, it sounds like you've entered
Browse mode instead of Edit mode. I don't use the tool palette myself,
but I think there may be a control-key sequence that toggles between the
modes, and you may have accidentally triggered that. In PowerTools the
sequence is control-tab, so you might give that a try.



Here ctrl-tab toggles the tool palette. I tried a number of modifier 
keys + another key combinations with no effect.  To me it looks like I 
am stuck in run mode.  I can drag a control off of the palette and drop 
it on the stack, but it just disappears.


Regards, Jim



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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 03:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:
 > I just tried to recreate what happened,but could not get it to happen
 > again. So I guess it is not reproducible.
 >
 > I did restore the file from trash and can send it to you if you think
 > that it would be helpful. I just transferred the file to my laptop
 > which is also running Ubuntu 14.04 and it has the same behavior there.

Without a recipe it would be unlikely I could do anything useful with it.

But if you do get a recipe please post the bug report number here and
I'll check the recipe on my system to help triage the report.



Ok, I'll play with it some more to see if I can reproduce it.

Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 11:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:
 > At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.
 > I had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size.
 > Then I dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the
 > label. I was renaming them and changing the label text when the
 > problem occurred.

Sounds like a bug, and if you're able to find a recipe to reproduce that
please do file a bug report.

FWIW I use LC in Ubuntu daily (mostly 14.04, but I have two machines
running Ubuntu 15.10, at least until April when all will be upgraded to
the new LTS), and while I haven't seen this issue myself I'd be happy to
run any tests you can come up with to confirm the behavior so we can
help see it fixed.



Richard,

I just tried to recreate what happened,but could not get it to happen 
again. So I guess it is not reproducible.


I did restore the file from trash and can send it to you if you think 
that it would be helpful. I just transferred the file to my laptop which 
is also running Ubuntu 14.04 and it has the same behavior there.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 05:59 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

Welome Jim,

What happens if you forget your first test stack and start a fresh. Start
LiveCode, create a New Stack. Have you got the Pointer Tool back? Can you
drag buttons and fields onto your new stack now?


Yes, I deleted the original stack and restarted Livecode and I was able 
to operate normally.



If you can reproduce your first problem it would be worth submitting a bug
report with recipe and your stack.


On my second attempt I used a different approach. I should have time 
today to duplicate my first attempt and see what happens.


Thanks,  Jim




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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/24/2016 10:50 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:



On Feb 23, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Jim Byrnes <jf_byr...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I am running the Community Edition vers 7.1.1 Build 10048 on Ubuntu
14.04.

I am just getting started with Livecode and was laying out the gui
for my first little project.  I'm not sure what I did but the
cursor changed to the hand pointer and now I can no longer work
with any of my controls. Most of the menu items are greyed out but
I could select quit. When I did that I was allowed to save my work,
but when I opened it back up I still could not get rid of the hand
pointer. Clicking on the run tool or edit tool does nothing.

Do any of you experienced people have any idea what I could have
done to cause this and how I can get back to normal operations?


Hi Jim,

First of all, welcome to Livecode. My response may not be very
useful, but I will give it a go. I do not do much work in Linux that
requires me to use the UI. But, I would check that you are not
setting the pointer yourself with ‘choose’ command: e.g. 'choose
browse tool’ or ‘choose pointer tool’.

Also, check for ‘set the cursor to watch’ or some other shape. This
would be wrapped with a ‘lock cursor’ and ‘unlock cursor’.

If you are not using any of these commands, it is probably a bug in
the IDE not handling these commands internally.  The IDE itself is
written in Livecode.


Mark,

At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.  I 
had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size. Then I 
dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the label. I was 
renaming them and changing the label text when the problem occurred.



Should this turn out to be a bug, please feel free to write a bug
report to Livecode:  http://quality.livecode.com
<http://quality.livecode.com/> It will require you to make an
account, but it is pretty easy.


I will wait a little longer, wouldn't want to waste their time if it was 
my mistake.



Hopefully, some regular user of Livecode on Linux will chime in with
more experience.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto livecloud.io <http://www.livecloud.io/>
canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/>


Thanks,  Jim


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Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

I am running the Community Edition vers 7.1.1 Build 10048 on Ubuntu 14.04.

I am just getting started with Livecode and was laying out the gui for 
my first little project.  I'm not sure what I did but the cursor changed 
to the hand pointer and now I can no longer work with any of my 
controls. Most of the menu items are greyed out but I could select quit. 
When I did that I was allowed to save my work, but when I opened it back 
up I still could not get rid of the hand pointer. Clicking on the run 
tool or edit tool does nothing.


Do any of you experienced people have any idea what I could have done to 
cause this and how I can get back to normal operations?


Thanks,  Jim


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Re: Livecode University & Linux

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/18/2016 05:34 PM, Devin Asay wrote:



On Feb 17, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Jim Byrnes <jf_byr...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I recently discovered Livecode and have worked through a couple of
tutorials. I would be interested in taking the two courses I found
but the faq says windows or mac required.

I asked over on the forums if Linux could be used to take the
courses but never really received a definitive answer. So I would
be interested in hearing anyones personal experiences using Linux
to take the courses.

Regards,  Jim


Jim,

I assume you’re talking about this:

https://livecode.com/products/learn/livecode-university/

I have never built a Linux version of LCU, but would be willing to
give it a try. You could be a beta tester. Contact me offline if
you’re interested.

Devin devin_a...@byu.edu

Devin Asay Office of Digital Humanities Brigham Young University



Devin,

Yes, that is what I saw. I will get in touch with you offline.

Thanks,  Jim



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Livecode University & Linux

[Jim Byrnes]

I recently discovered Livecode and have worked through a couple of 
tutorials. I would be interested in taking the two courses I found but 
the faq says windows or mac required.


I asked over on the forums if Linux could be used to take the courses 
but never really received a definitive answer. So I would be interested 
in hearing anyones personal experiences using Linux to take the courses.


Regards,  Jim


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