Re: [OT] New Wine in old skins
Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Richard wrote : don't expect everything to work as well as it does with real Windows. Richmond. I hope you don't mind if I pass on that statement ! However, it reminds me of the definition of Real and Virtual Memory on the IBM computers of the 70's. 1 - If it's there, and you can see it - it's Real. 2 - If it's not there, and you can see it, it's Virtual 3 - If it's not there, and you can't see it, it's Gone ! -Francis Windows is just a long series of panes ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] New Wine in old skins
On 03/08/2012 02:28 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Richard wrote : don't expect everything to work as well as it does with real Windows. Richmond. I hope you don't mind if I pass on that statement ! You are very welcome to. I don't like Windows to be honest, as I feel it is shoddy, and wonder what on earth would make people pay for something prone to viruses when there are FREE alternatives around that do not suffer from viruses. It would, however, be dishonest to claim that WINE does Windows, because it doesn't; it does run a lot of Windows programs well, but it is not a replacement for Windows. The replacement for Windows is Linux; and to run a machine with Linux, but then use some system to run Windows programs is a half-cock job. If you want Windows, then run a machine with Windows (and pay the price; both the Windows licence fee, and what happens if a virus hoses your computer), and if you want Linux, run Linux; or, run both on separate machines, or partitions on the same machine. However, it reminds me of the definition of Real and Virtual Memory on the IBM computers of the 70's. 1 - If it's there, and you can see it - it's Real. 2 - If it's not there, and you can see it, it's Virtual 3 - If it's not there, and you can't see it, it's Gone ! -Francis Windows is just a long series of panes ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
[OT] New Wine in old skins.
WINE 1.4 http://www.winehq.org/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] New Wine in old skins.
Hi Richmond. What are the ups and downs to using Wine as opposed to a VM like Parallels? Bob On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Richmond wrote: WINE 1.4 http://www.winehq.org/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] New Wine in old skins.
Simply put - no Windows license required; your app runs natively on the hosting platform (Linux, OS X, FreeBSD, etc.). On the other hand, there are a number of apps that don't run quite right. Tim On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hi Richmond. What are the ups and downs to using Wine as opposed to a VM like Parallels? Bob On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Richmond wrote: WINE 1.4 http://www.winehq.org/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] New Wine in old skins.
On 03/07/2012 08:18 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hi Richmond. What are the ups and downs to using Wine as opposed to a VM like Parallels? Pretty hopeless for Livecode as WINE does not render PNG images. Personally I check Windows builds in XP in VirtualBox. Bob On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Richmond wrote: WINE 1.4 http://www.winehq.org/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: [OT] New Wine in old skins.
On 03/07/2012 08:21 PM, Tim Jones wrote: Simply put - It's NOT Windows, and it's free, so don't expect everything to work as well as it does with real Windows. Not any good really with the Livecode IDE as doesn't work at all well with PNG images. If, however, you are developing Livecode stuff for Windows that only uses JPG images (which, considering the overheads and lack of transparency is fairly daft) then you could use WINE for beta testing. WINE is useful for a few Windows-only programs, although as Desktop Linux matures, even though WINE matures as well, WINE begins to look a bit unnecessary. I use it for Fontographer only. The myth that there are a vast number of Windows-only programs that Linux cannot duplicate is what sustains WINE; but it is increasingly a myth. So, probably better, in terms of Beta-testing at least, to have XP running in a Virtual Box, or on an old Pentium 4 [here in Bulgaria at 3 GHz, 2 GB RAM Pentium 4s going for about 40 Euros a pop (I mean, I've got 2 spare ones under my bed, just in case) the question is fairly academic - just link the whole lot together with a cheap-N-nasty switch and a few LAN cables]. Of course, One can buy Windows XP for about the same price hereabouts; so 80 Euros is probably worth it (plus a monitor I got free from my bank when they were going all flat) for 'real' Windows. no Windows license required; your app runs natively on the hosting platform (Linux, OS X, FreeBSD, etc.). NO, they don't run natively; some of them do, some of them screw up at crucial moments and some of them don't budge. It is a bit like that strange cabinet in the corner in Woody Allen's Sleeper; not really the real thing . . . :) On the other hand, there are a number of apps that don't run quite right. Livecode being the one that is signally relevant right here. Until WINE gets into PNG rendering forget it. Tim On Mar 7, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hi Richmond. What are the ups and downs to using Wine as opposed to a VM like Parallels? Bob On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Richmond wrote: WINE 1.4 http://www.winehq.org/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
