Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
Richard I like your 'different dragon looking for me in that sea' remark very much :) It exactly describes my decision to migrate to LC 7 and deal with just the dragons in that sea rather than deal with two sets of dragons - never mind dealing with extra legions of mutated dragons created when saving a stack in 5.5 format while in LC 7... I just read back what I wrote, it makes perfect sense to me - hope it's not gibberish to the rest of you... Dave - Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them. - William Shakespeare Hugh Senior -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/7-0-1-RC4-crashing-regularly-tp4686840p4687005.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:57 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I've been doing all client work in 6.6.5 which I've found to be very stable. My client is running what I write in 6.7 without issues. Both of these are stable releases and have the feature you need. You might try one of those until 7.0 gets sorted out. 6.7.1 still has as many random crashes as 7.0.1, it seems. 6.6.5 won't start the mouseEnter handler in the behavior of a stack, and I can't get *anywhere* without the palette that that launches and moves . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
Richard - obviously it's a matter of YMMV as each of us are developing our own different stacks but/and/therefore can you make some bug reports? Kind regards Dave - Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them. - William Shakespeare Hugh Senior -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/7-0-1-RC4-crashing-regularly-tp4686840p4686993.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On 12/20/2014, 3:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: 6.6.5 won't start the mouseEnter handler in the behavior of a stack, and I can't get*anywhere* without the palette that that launches and moves . . . I have a commercial app that uses behaviors extensively which often rely on a mouseEnter. It was developed and built with 6.6.5 and I didn't have any issues with it. It's working fine for the customers too. Something else must be going on in your case, I think. It works here, and 6.6.5 has been very stable for me. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Dave Kilroy d...@applicationinsight.com wrote: can you make some bug reports? I'm making them as I figure out enough to be coherent :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: I have a commercial app that uses behaviors extensively which often rely on a mouseEnter. It was developed and built with 6.6.5 and I didn't have any issues with it. It's working fine for the customers too. mouseEnter works in other parts of that stack, but even after resetting the behavior, the handler is never reached. It works fine in 6.7 and 7.0. Something else must be going on in your case, I think. It works here, and 6.6.5 has been very stable for me. Probably something else, but I'm not going to spend a a bunch of time to move the stack backwards from 7 to 6.5 if I already now there is a different dragon looking for me in that sea :) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
I started using 6.7 recently, but gave up using it when my stack got corrupted. I wouldn't say this was a particularly complicated stack, consisting of 3 images, a couple of fields and about 6 buttons, spread over 2 cards. There's about 1200 lines of scripts and a few dozen custom properties. 6.7 produced the beachball of death. After killing Livecode, 6.7 would no longer open the stack it had previously saved. Luckily I could open the stack in 5.5 and remove the few 6.7 new language features I was using. But it made me very reluctant to go back to using 6.7. I'm considering trying 7.x but these reports make me wary of that. Working in the new 7.x stack format one probably can't even go back to a 5.x series and open a corrupted stack there. Such major disasters have very rare in my 10 years of using Livecode. Bernard On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: I am now fairly certain that it became bad in RC3. I'm using RC2 now, and have only had one crash in half an hour. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On 17/12/14 00:17, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: With just a few minutes in, it appears that RC4 bombs at least as frequently as RC3 :( It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of 2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M) Some people never learn. Keep away from anything except tried and tested stable releases if you are doing anything mission critical. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
Hello all I now see these crashes with 7.0.1-RC4 on OS X as well. Unfortunately no recipe yet. The stack is very simple 1 button and 1 image, all I can say is that when I click on the stack after the crash it would not load this stack again (corrupted). No crashes with 7.0.1-RC2 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Some people never learn. Oh, I've learned. I have staggering numbers of checkpointed stacks. Keep away from anything except tried and tested stable releases if you are doing anything mission critical. The choice isn't 7 or 5.5; it's 7 or dump livecode. The lack of scaling when preparing forms is a show-stopper. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
Will it open if you use the file menu? Theres a bug (in some versions, quite a few in fact) where a double click to open a stack just doesn't work right, but opening from the file menu does. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Rolf Kocherhans rolf.kocherh...@id.uzh.ch wrote: Hello all I now see these crashes with 7.0.1-RC4 on OS X as well. Unfortunately no recipe yet. The stack is very simple 1 button and 1 image, all I can say is that when I click on the stack after the crash it would not load this stack again (corrupted). No crashes with 7.0.1-RC2 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
I've been doing all client work in 6.6.5 which I've found to be very stable. My client is running what I write in 6.7 without issues. Both of these are stable releases and have the feature you need. You might try one of those until 7.0 gets sorted out. On December 17, 2014 8:36:42 AM CST, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: The choice isn't 7 or 5.5; it's 7 or dump livecode. The lack of scaling when preparing forms is a show-stopper. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
I’m having crashes on save also. Playing audio with the new AVFoundation player is whacked (I’m on Mavericks). I’m able to play multiple instances of the same audio file simultaneously through the one player, each playing to the end of the file but not controllable by the controller. Other issues with the player as well show up in my large project which is very dependent on interactive audio with synced visuals. It all works in QuickTime, but QT has had resources and years to iron out bugs. I’m concerned that the new player is going to take a lot of my time reporting and documenting bugs, making sample stacks, and waiting for them to be fixed. My project is also multi-lingual (English-Chinese) which requires the Unicode improvements in LC7. Peter Bogdanoff UCLA On Dec 16, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: This save bug seems like a particularly nasty regression, but the bug reports from Eric and Trevor hopefully RunRev will get an RC5 out ASAP. I am now fairly certain that it became bad in RC3. I'm using RC2 now, and have only had one crash in half an hour. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
With just a few minutes in, it appears that RC4 bombs at least as frequently as RC3 :( -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: With just a few minutes in, it appears that RC4 bombs at least as frequently as RC3 :( It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of 2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M) -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of 2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M) It is most definitely either saving when the crash happens, or it is making a failed attempt to save when something has gone wrong. No crash report; just OSX reporting that it quit unexpectedly. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
One of my stacks was crashing on save in 7.0.1 (rc 4). I deleted everything I could including script up to the point that it would not crash anymore and will send it to LC. Submitted bug 14239 with a crash log. Trevore also submitted a bug 14227 with a crash log. - eric On Dec 16, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of 2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M) It is most definitely either saving when the crash happens, or it is making a failed attempt to save when something has gone wrong. No crash report; just OSX reporting that it quit unexpectedly. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Eric Corbett e...@canelasoftware.com wrote: One of my stacks was crashing on save in 7.0.1 (rc 4). I deleted everything I could including script up to the point that it would not crash anymore and will send it to LC. In my case, it's the Background or emergency saves, rather than any that I triggered manually. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: In my case, it's the Background or emergency saves, rather than any that I triggered manually. I take that back; it just did on a manual save. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Eric Corbett eric at canelasoftware.com wrote: One of my stacks was crashing on save in 7.0.1 (rc 4). I deleted everything I could including script up to the point that it would not crash anymore and will send it to LC. In my case, it's the Background or emergency saves, rather than any that I triggered manually. What is a background save? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: What is a background save? doesn't it periodically update the ~ rescue file, or some such? If not, then it's recognizing a problem and attempting to save I just triggered another one just by hitting save three times in an editor window. . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Eric Corbett e...@canelasoftware.com wrote: Submitted bug 14239 with a crash log. I added a crash log to your bug. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: I added a crash log to your bug. Just thought of something . . . Do the other people who see this have windows spread across multiple screens? Just tried staying on one screen, which didn't stop the crash. After several failed tries in a row to save a three line change, I reloaded 7.0.2. It saved just fine, and took several cmd-s in a row. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
My issue caused LC to crash with every cmd-s. A Crash Log opened, the stack was saved, but corrupt, and the original was backed up using [file name].livecode~ - e On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote: I added a crash log to your bug. Just thought of something . . . Do the other people who see this have windows spread across multiple screens? Just tried staying on one screen, which didn't stop the crash. After several failed tries in a row to save a three line change, I reloaded 7.0.2. It saved just fine, and took several cmd-s in a row. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: What is a background save? doesn't it periodically update the ~ rescue file, or some such? If not, then it's recognizing a problem and attempting to save Probably the latter (almost certainly so given the subsequent posts from others about RC4 that have come in). The ~ file is the first of two steps the engine takes when saving: whenever a save command is issues for a stack file, the engine first makes a backup of the last saved copy to the ~ filw, then writes a fresh copy into the original file name, and after completing the checksum on that it deletes the ~ file. This is probably borne of Dr. Raney's Unix roots - LC originated on Unix where that sort of auto-backup is common. This save bug seems like a particularly nasty regression, but the bug reports from Eric and Trevor hopefully RunRev will get an RC5 out ASAP. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: This save bug seems like a particularly nasty regression, but the bug reports from Eric and Trevor hopefully RunRev will get an RC5 out ASAP. I am now fairly certain that it became bad in RC3. I'm using RC2 now, and have only had one crash in half an hour. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
