Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Mark Wieder]

On 02/28/2016 08:08 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:


OK, thanks, just changed it.  Curious that they are cut off for you, as
I am running linux and I can see them fine. Actually about an inch of
blank space after each caption.


I just filed a bug on this. It's only for LC8. LC7 and below are fine. 
Changing the font for the preferences panel from 13 point down to 12 
fixes it.


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/28/2016 09:51 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 02/28/2016 07:20 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:


Finally had time to give this a try and it is exactly what I was trying
to accomplish.  I am still learning how to work with the ide.  Once I
had the group set up, at first I couldn't figure out how to make any
changes to it, but finally figured it out.


Yes, I think working with groups is one of the less intuitive things
about the environment. Feel free to post more questions - things take a
bit of getting used to.

I forgot to mention when I posted that there's a preference setting (the
top item under General) labeled "Property labels are:" and the default
is something like "Description of option" (can't really tell because
it's cut off on linux)... I have it changed to the other option, which
is probably "Name of LiveCode property", and things will no doubt make
more sense if you change your setting as well.



OK, thanks, just changed it.  Curious that they are cut off for you, as 
I am running linux and I can see them fine. Actually about an inch of 
blank space after each caption.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Mark Wieder]

On 02/28/2016 07:20 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:


Finally had time to give this a try and it is exactly what I was trying
to accomplish.  I am still learning how to work with the ide.  Once I
had the group set up, at first I couldn't figure out how to make any
changes to it, but finally figured it out.


Yes, I think working with groups is one of the less intuitive things 
about the environment. Feel free to post more questions - things take a 
bit of getting used to.


I forgot to mention when I posted that there's a preference setting (the 
top item under General) labeled "Property labels are:" and the default 
is something like "Description of option" (can't really tell because 
it's cut off on linux)... I have it changed to the other option, which 
is probably "Name of LiveCode property", and things will no doubt make 
more sense if you change your setting as well.


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 05:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 02/25/2016 02:42 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:


The other environments I have used had a control that was essentially a
box with a border around it. At the left end of the top border you could
embed a label in the border itself. You could then drop other controls
inside the box. It just called attention to certain controls.

I didn't see anything like that in Livecode and was experimenting to see
if I could create the effect.


Good. That's what I thought you were trying to accomplish.
With LiveCode that's done with a group. Try this:

create a new stack
drop a label field onto the stack
drop a couple of radio buttons onto the stack

now shift-click or drag the cursor to select them
from the Object menu select "Group Selected"
  (or just press control-G)

you'll probably want to fiddle with the visual aspects of the group:
double-click or right-click on one of the controls
  to bring up the property inspector
check 'showBorder'
enter a label for the group
check the unfortunately-named 'showName'



Mark,

Finally had time to give this a try and it is exactly what I was trying 
to accomplish.  I am still learning how to work with the ide.  Once I 
had the group set up, at first I couldn't figure out how to make any 
changes to it, but finally figured it out.


Thanks,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 09:50 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jim Byrnes  wrote:

That worked, thank you very much.




And just in case you are wondering how it got that way, as you didn't type

any commands. My guess is that this property can be set within the Property
Inspector - typically accessed via the Object menu via, Object Inspector,
Card Inspector or Stack Inspector. You probably had this open when giving
the stack, label field and radio buttons names or other properties (labels,
size, default font etc). In the case of a stack the 'Can't Modify' property
is a checkbox towards the bottom of the Property Inspector. You probably
accidentally clicked on it - clicking on the words, not just the checkbox
will activate/deactivate each checkbox.



I think you are right.  I was looking around trying to get the look I 
wanted and probably hit something by mistake.


Regards,  Jim



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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Kay C Lan]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jim Byrnes  wrote:

That worked, thank you very much.
>>
>
> And just in case you are wondering how it got that way, as you didn't type
any commands. My guess is that this property can be set within the Property
Inspector - typically accessed via the Object menu via, Object Inspector,
Card Inspector or Stack Inspector. You probably had this open when giving
the stack, label field and radio buttons names or other properties (labels,
size, default font etc). In the case of a stack the 'Can't Modify' property
is a checkbox towards the bottom of the Property Inspector. You probably
accidentally clicked on it - clicking on the words, not just the checkbox
will activate/deactivate each checkbox.
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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Byrnes wrote:
> That worked, thank you very much.  I must say this is a friendly,
> helpful group.

This group is awesome!

Many years ago when I was first getting my head wrapped around how this 
engine works, back then it was called MetaCard and Kevin's company was 
just getting started.  I was having one heckuva time trying to 
understand how custom property sets worked, and to be honest I was far 
less patient than you. :)  It took Kevin and Scott Raney (original 
inventor of the engine) a few very patient emails to help me work 
through my issue, and eventually I slowed down, digested what they'd 
written, experimented some more, and it all sunk in.


Just been paying it forward ever since

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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 07:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:

 > On 02/25/2016 06:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Try this in the Message Box (replacing "YourStack" with your stack's
 >> name of course):
 >>
 >>put the mode of stack "YourStack" && the style of stack "YourStack"
 >>
 >
 > This results in: 2 toplevel

Hunch confirmed:  if you look up mode in the Dictionary you'll see the
mode is an integer that refers to the current state of the stack.

Stack modes can be made persistent with the style property, but you can
also temporarily change the mode of a stack without changing the
persistent style property by using the style name as a command, e.g.:

   palette "some stack"

...will open it as a palette, but if its style is toplevel then using:

   open stack "some stack"

...will open it in its style, toplevel.

There is one other way to affect mode, specific to mode 2:  that one's
cantModify, which can be affected by setting the stack's cantModify
property.

So if you run this in the Message Box you should be good to go:

   set the cantmodify of stack "YourStack" to false

Then save it, or you'll be back in this spot again next time you open it.



That worked, thank you very much.  I must say this is a friendly, 
helpful group.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Byrnes wrote:

> On 02/25/2016 06:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Try this in the Message Box (replacing "YourStack" with your stack's
>> name of course):
>>
>>put the mode of stack "YourStack" && the style of stack "YourStack"
>>
>
> This results in: 2 toplevel

Hunch confirmed:  if you look up mode in the Dictionary you'll see the 
mode is an integer that refers to the current state of the stack.


Stack modes can be made persistent with the style property, but you can 
also temporarily change the mode of a stack without changing the 
persistent style property by using the style name as a command, e.g.:


  palette "some stack"

...will open it as a palette, but if its style is toplevel then using:

  open stack "some stack"

...will open it in its style, toplevel.

There is one other way to affect mode, specific to mode 2:  that one's 
cantModify, which can be affected by setting the stack's cantModify 
property.


So if you run this in the Message Box you should be good to go:

  set the cantmodify of stack "YourStack" to false

Then save it, or you'll be back in this spot again next time you open it.

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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 06:35 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:

 > On 02/25/2016 04:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Try this in the Message Box:
 >>
 >>put the name of this stack && the mode of this stack
 >>
 >
 > Doing that results in:  stack "revMenubar" 2


This is my bad. I just realized after selecting the message box I did 
not select my stack before running your command,

 if I do the result is: stack "Passwords" 2


Hmmm...if your stack was toplevel then revMenubar wouldn't be "this
stack", suggesting that your stack's style property was changed.

Try this in the Message Box (replacing "YourStack" with your stack's
name of course):

   put the mode of stack "YourStack" && the style of stack "YourStack"



This results in: 2 toplevel




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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Byrnes wrote:

> On 02/25/2016 04:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Try this in the Message Box:
>>
>>put the name of this stack && the mode of this stack
>>
>
> Doing that results in:  stack "revMenubar" 2

Hmmm...if your stack was toplevel then revMenubar wouldn't be "this 
stack", suggesting that your stack's style property was changed.


Try this in the Message Box (replacing "YourStack" with your stack's 
name of course):


  put the mode of stack "YourStack" && the style of stack "YourStack"


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 04:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:

Here ctrl-tab toggles the tool palette. I tried a number of modifier
keys + another key combinations with no effect.  To me it looks like I
am stuck in run mode.  I can drag a control off of the palette and drop
it on the stack, but it just disappears.


Hmm...I wonder if somehow the cantModify of the stack became set, or
perhaps the stack's mode isn't toplevel.

Try this in the Message Box:

   put the name of this stack && the mode of this stack



Doing that results in:  stack "revMenubar" 2

Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Mark Wieder]

On 02/25/2016 02:42 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:


The other environments I have used had a control that was essentially a
box with a border around it. At the left end of the top border you could
embed a label in the border itself. You could then drop other controls
inside the box. It just called attention to certain controls.

I didn't see anything like that in Livecode and was experimenting to see
if I could create the effect.


Good. That's what I thought you were trying to accomplish.
With LiveCode that's done with a group. Try this:

create a new stack
drop a label field onto the stack
drop a couple of radio buttons onto the stack

now shift-click or drag the cursor to select them
from the Object menu select "Group Selected"
 (or just press control-G)

you'll probably want to fiddle with the visual aspects of the group:
double-click or right-click on one of the controls
 to bring up the property inspector
check 'showBorder'
enter a label for the group
check the unfortunately-named 'showName'

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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Byrnes wrote:

Here ctrl-tab toggles the tool palette. I tried a number of modifier
keys + another key combinations with no effect.  To me it looks like I
am stuck in run mode.  I can drag a control off of the palette and drop
it on the stack, but it just disappears.


Hmm...I wonder if somehow the cantModify of the stack became set, or 
perhaps the stack's mode isn't toplevel.


Try this in the Message Box:

  put the name of this stack && the mode of this stack

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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 03:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

On 02/25/2016 12:44 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:

On 02/25/2016 11:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:
 > At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.
 > I had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size.
 > Then I dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the
 > label. I was renaming them and changing the label text when the
 > problem occurred.


I also can't replicate your problem, but I'm curious about what you were
trying to accomplish here... dropping radio buttons "inside the
boundaries of the label" will place them in front of the label (I'm not
going to get into the religious war of whether they're "above" or
"under" the label in the message path), but they're otherwise not
connected with the label.


When I start to teach myself a new language I usually read the docs, do 
some tutorials and for practice recreate a program I have written in 
other languages. In this case a simple little program to store some info 
in a sqlite db.


The other environments I have used had a control that was essentially a 
box with a border around it. At the left end of the top border you could 
embed a label in the border itself. You could then drop other controls 
inside the box. It just called attention to certain controls.


I didn't see anything like that in Livecode and was experimenting to see 
if I could create the effect.



I do find it buggy that if I follow your procedure and then click on the
label text to select the large-border label, I am then unable to select
the buttons, even though they are in front of the label, without first
clicking somewhere else to deselect the label field. I'll file a bug on
that one.

As far as the cursor changing to a hand, it sounds like you've entered
Browse mode instead of Edit mode. I don't use the tool palette myself,
but I think there may be a control-key sequence that toggles between the
modes, and you may have accidentally triggered that. In PowerTools the
sequence is control-tab, so you might give that a try.



Here ctrl-tab toggles the tool palette. I tried a number of modifier 
keys + another key combinations with no effect.  To me it looks like I 
am stuck in run mode.  I can drag a control off of the palette and drop 
it on the stack, but it just disappears.


Regards, Jim



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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Mark Wieder]

Bug report #17021 filed.

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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 03:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:
 > I just tried to recreate what happened,but could not get it to happen
 > again. So I guess it is not reproducible.
 >
 > I did restore the file from trash and can send it to you if you think
 > that it would be helpful. I just transferred the file to my laptop
 > which is also running Ubuntu 14.04 and it has the same behavior there.

Without a recipe it would be unlikely I could do anything useful with it.

But if you do get a recipe please post the bug report number here and
I'll check the recipe on my system to help triage the report.



Ok, I'll play with it some more to see if I can reproduce it.

Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Mark Wieder]

On 02/25/2016 12:44 PM, Jim Byrnes wrote:

On 02/25/2016 11:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:
 > At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.
 > I had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size.
 > Then I dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the
 > label. I was renaming them and changing the label text when the
 > problem occurred.


I also can't replicate your problem, but I'm curious about what you were 
trying to accomplish here... dropping radio buttons "inside the 
boundaries of the label" will place them in front of the label (I'm not 
going to get into the religious war of whether they're "above" or 
"under" the label in the message path), but they're otherwise not 
connected with the label.


I do find it buggy that if I follow your procedure and then click on the 
label text to select the large-border label, I am then unable to select 
the buttons, even though they are in front of the label, without first 
clicking somewhere else to deselect the label field. I'll file a bug on 
that one.


As far as the cursor changing to a hand, it sounds like you've entered 
Browse mode instead of Edit mode. I don't use the tool palette myself, 
but I think there may be a control-key sequence that toggles between the 
modes, and you may have accidentally triggered that. In PowerTools the 
sequence is control-tab, so you might give that a try.


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Byrnes wrote:
> I just tried to recreate what happened,but could not get it to happen
> again. So I guess it is not reproducible.
>
> I did restore the file from trash and can send it to you if you think
> that it would be helpful. I just transferred the file to my laptop
> which is also running Ubuntu 14.04 and it has the same behavior there.

Without a recipe it would be unlikely I could do anything useful with it.

But if you do get a recipe please post the bug report number here and 
I'll check the recipe on my system to help triage the report.


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 11:16 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jim Byrnes wrote:
 > At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.
 > I had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size.
 > Then I dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the
 > label. I was renaming them and changing the label text when the
 > problem occurred.

Sounds like a bug, and if you're able to find a recipe to reproduce that
please do file a bug report.

FWIW I use LC in Ubuntu daily (mostly 14.04, but I have two machines
running Ubuntu 15.10, at least until April when all will be upgraded to
the new LTS), and while I haven't seen this issue myself I'd be happy to
run any tests you can come up with to confirm the behavior so we can
help see it fixed.



Richard,

I just tried to recreate what happened,but could not get it to happen 
again. So I guess it is not reproducible.


I did restore the file from trash and can send it to you if you think 
that it would be helpful. I just transferred the file to my laptop which 
is also running Ubuntu 14.04 and it has the same behavior there.


Regards,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Byrnes wrote:
> At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.
> I had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size.
> Then I dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the
> label. I was renaming them and changing the label text when the
> problem occurred.

Sounds like a bug, and if you're able to find a recipe to reproduce that 
please do file a bug report.


FWIW I use LC in Ubuntu daily (mostly 14.04, but I have two machines 
running Ubuntu 15.10, at least until April when all will be upgraded to 
the new LTS), and while I haven't seen this issue myself I'd be happy to 
run any tests you can come up with to confirm the behavior so we can 
help see it fixed.


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/25/2016 05:59 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

Welome Jim,

What happens if you forget your first test stack and start a fresh. Start
LiveCode, create a New Stack. Have you got the Pointer Tool back? Can you
drag buttons and fields onto your new stack now?


Yes, I deleted the original stack and restarted Livecode and I was able 
to operate normally.



If you can reproduce your first problem it would be worth submitting a bug
report with recipe and your stack.


On my second attempt I used a different approach. I should have time 
today to duplicate my first attempt and see what happens.


Thanks,  Jim




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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Kay C Lan]

Welome Jim,

What happens if you forget your first test stack and start a fresh. Start
LiveCode, create a New Stack. Have you got the Pointer Tool back? Can you
drag buttons and fields onto your new stack now?

If you can reproduce your first problem it would be worth submitting a bug
report with recipe and your stack.
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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

On 02/24/2016 10:50 AM, Mark Talluto wrote:



On Feb 23, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Jim Byrnes 
wrote:

I am running the Community Edition vers 7.1.1 Build 10048 on Ubuntu
14.04.

I am just getting started with Livecode and was laying out the gui
for my first little project.  I'm not sure what I did but the
cursor changed to the hand pointer and now I can no longer work
with any of my controls. Most of the menu items are greyed out but
I could select quit. When I did that I was allowed to save my work,
but when I opened it back up I still could not get rid of the hand
pointer. Clicking on the run tool or edit tool does nothing.

Do any of you experienced people have any idea what I could have
done to cause this and how I can get back to normal operations?


Hi Jim,

First of all, welcome to Livecode. My response may not be very
useful, but I will give it a go. I do not do much work in Linux that
requires me to use the UI. But, I would check that you are not
setting the pointer yourself with ‘choose’ command: e.g. 'choose
browse tool’ or ‘choose pointer tool’.

Also, check for ‘set the cursor to watch’ or some other shape. This
would be wrapped with a ‘lock cursor’ and ‘unlock cursor’.

If you are not using any of these commands, it is probably a bug in
the IDE not handling these commands internally.  The IDE itself is
written in Livecode.


Mark,

At the point the problem occurred I hadn't written a line of code.  I 
had dropped a label control on the card and expanded it's size. Then I 
dropped 2 radio buttons inside the boundaries of the of the label. I was 
renaming them and changing the label text when the problem occurred.



Should this turn out to be a bug, please feel free to write a bug
report to Livecode:  http://quality.livecode.com
 It will require you to make an
account, but it is pretty easy.


I will wait a little longer, wouldn't want to waste their time if it was 
my mistake.



Hopefully, some regular user of Livecode on Linux will chime in with
more experience.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto livecloud.io 
canelasoftware.com 


Thanks,  Jim


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Re: Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Mark Talluto]

> On Feb 23, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Jim Byrnes  wrote:
> 
> I am running the Community Edition vers 7.1.1 Build 10048 on Ubuntu 14.04.
> 
> I am just getting started with Livecode and was laying out the gui for my 
> first little project.  I'm not sure what I did but the cursor changed to the 
> hand pointer and now I can no longer work with any of my controls. Most of 
> the menu items are greyed out but I could select quit. When I did that I was 
> allowed to save my work, but when I opened it back up I still could not get 
> rid of the hand pointer. Clicking on the run tool or edit tool does nothing.
> 
> Do any of you experienced people have any idea what I could have done to 
> cause this and how I can get back to normal operations?

Hi Jim,

First of all, welcome to Livecode. My response may not be very useful, but I 
will give it a go. I do not do much work in Linux that requires me to use the 
UI. But, I would check that you are not setting the pointer yourself with 
‘choose’ command: e.g. 'choose browse tool’ or ‘choose pointer tool’.

Also, check for ‘set the cursor to watch’ or some other shape. This would be 
wrapped with a ‘lock cursor’ and ‘unlock cursor’.

If you are not using any of these commands, it is probably a bug in the IDE not 
handling these commands internally.  The IDE itself is written in Livecode. 

Should this turn out to be a bug, please feel free to write a bug report to 
Livecode:  http://quality.livecode.com 
It will require you to make an account, but it is pretty easy.

Hopefully, some regular user of Livecode on Linux will chime in with more 
experience.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io 
canelasoftware.com 



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Cursor changes to a hand in the ide

[Jim Byrnes]

I am running the Community Edition vers 7.1.1 Build 10048 on Ubuntu 14.04.

I am just getting started with Livecode and was laying out the gui for 
my first little project.  I'm not sure what I did but the cursor changed 
to the hand pointer and now I can no longer work with any of my 
controls. Most of the menu items are greyed out but I could select quit. 
When I did that I was allowed to save my work, but when I opened it back 
up I still could not get rid of the hand pointer. Clicking on the run 
tool or edit tool does nothing.


Do any of you experienced people have any idea what I could have done to 
cause this and how I can get back to normal operations?


Thanks,  Jim


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