Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Using PHP and LiveCode together on your own server (even a shared hosting account), you could also setup a cron job to run at certain times and have the data automatically sent. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Talluto use...@canelasoftware.comwrote: On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I am still looking into the PHP script option for corporate users. The PHP/LiveCode solution is completely silent, will work on both the internet and intranet, require no mail config on the client side. The only requirement of the client is that they need to be connected to the internet. You could add to the code to cache the data to be emailed and send it when it comes back on. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
The challenge with this issue (of automatically sending an email from a given
computer) is that I need to offer the easiest, most compatible, and the safest
method to the user. The users of this app can range from a single computer home
user to a large corporation with many Macs installed.
To work for home users, the solution needs to be dead simple. Mail is installed
on every Mac. Almost every user can configure mail to send an outgoing message.
Using AppleScript to trigger an email runs so quickly that the user will rarely
see it happening. Yes, there will be a record of the email in their sent box.
But my app only sends an email when it identifies a problem with the users hard
drive or OS... so not worried about hiding anything.
I am still looking into the PHP script option for corporate users.
One alternative solution is to have my app pop up a notification on the users
desktop alerting them to the problem. This avoids the need to send an email
altogether. But I have been told that this solution is probably not acceptable
in a corporate environment.
Richard
On 4/1/14 8:33 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Is that really invisible? If they are in Apple Mail, don’t they see the mail
being created and sent? Also, it will be in their sent mail. Not my idea of
invisible. Further, this will only work if an email account with working SMTP
has been already created, and if the SMTP server ever becomes unavailable and
your app attempts to send something, it will pop an error.
Bob
On Mar 28, 2014, at 19:33 , Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote:
This solution looks promising. Used the following as an applescript. Worked
perfectly. Just requires that each Mac have a working version of Mail installed.
-
set recipientName to Richard
set recipientAddress to rdmil...@together.net
set theSubject to Type your subject here!
set theContent to Type your message content here!
tell application Mail
##Create the message
set theMessage to make new outgoing message with properties
{subject:theSubject, content:theContent, visible:true}
##Set a recipient
tell theMessage
make new to recipient with properties {name:recipientName,
address:recipientAddress}
##Send the Message
send
end tell
end tell
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Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
I'm still surprised that your original approach of doing SMTP directly from inside LC wasn't sucessful. I have an app that does data transformation jobs on a regularly scheduled basis, and sends reports via email. I coded it many years ago, basing this part on Shao Shen's libSMTP; with simple configuration options for SMTP server, port, auth type, username and password; and since then it's been deployed by a number of different clients, and we've always been able to configure it successfully to work with the mail server in their environment. For home users, maybe you could use AppleScript to extract the configuration from their Mail app at startup, and if necessary ask them to confirm the details (you probably have to ask them to confirm the password even in the best case); for corporate users getting the details of their mail server may have to be part of the (one time for the organisation) configuration. But once you have the configuration, taking this approach feels more robust, since it doesn't require using AppleScript to work with a third-party piece of software which may change outside your control (Apple are rubbish at implementing their own technology, including AppleScript, consistently) and may not always be installed. (On my own Mac for example, Mail is always there, because it's not worth the trouble to deinstall it; but I've never used it in all the years since moving to OS X. (I used to be an Outlook/Entourage user, then I switched to Thunderbird). So your software would launch Mail, which would then appear and ask me to configure it, I'd decline etc.) My $0.02 Ben ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Yes, Ben... I agree with you. The frustration is that, in testing both Shao's library and Sarah's with one client in particular (120 Mac's), we couldn't get either to work with their mail settings (and we tried numerous settings). It works fine using my GoDaddy settings, so I know the implementation is correct. If there was even a little technical help available, perhaps one of these could be made to work. But no luck so far. Richard On 4/2/14 7:47 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: I'm still surprised that your original approach of doing SMTP directly from inside LC wasn't sucessful. I have an app that does data transformation jobs on a regularly scheduled basis, and sends reports via email. I coded it many years ago, basing this part on Shao Shen's libSMTP; with simple configuration options for SMTP server, port, auth type, username and password; and since then it's been deployed by a number of different clients, and we've always been able to configure it successfully to work with the mail server in their environment. For home users, maybe you could use AppleScript to extract the configuration from their Mail app at startup, and if necessary ask them to confirm the details (you probably have to ask them to confirm the password even in the best case); for corporate users getting the details of their mail server may have to be part of the (one time for the organisation) configuration. But once you have the configuration, taking this approach feels more robust, since it doesn't require using AppleScript to work with a third-party piece of software which may change outside your control (Apple are rubbish at implementing their own technology, including AppleScript, consistently) and may not always be installed. (On my own Mac for example, Mail is always there, because it's not worth the trouble to deinstall it; but I've never used it in all the years since moving to OS X. (I used to be an Outlook/Entourage user, then I switched to Thunderbird). So your software would launch Mail, which would then appear and ask me to configure it, I'd decline etc.) My $0.02 Ben ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
This will produce a flurry of support calls, as home users in my experience never remember their own email passwords unless they use webmail and have to enter it each time, in which case that users email would be useless to you. I install copiers for a living now, and by far the biggest snag, even in corporate environments is determining how to communicate with the company’s email server correctly. Any number of things can go wrong, from Exchange Connectors not being configured for that particular device, to ISP’s blocking access to foreign SMTP servers. As “simple” as Simple Mail Transfer Protocol was supposed to be, it is ANYTHING but simple in this day and age. Bob On Apr 2, 2014, at 04:47 , Ben Rubinstein benr...@cogapp.commailto:benr...@cogapp.com wrote: For home users, maybe you could use AppleScript to extract the configuration from their Mail app at startup, and if necessary ask them to confirm the details (you probably have to ask them to confirm the password even in the best case); ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Richard Miller wrote: I am still looking into the PHP script option for corporate users. One alternative solution is to have my app pop up a notification on the users desktop alerting them to the problem. This avoids the need to send an email altogether. But I have been told that this solution is probably not acceptable in a corporate environment. It seems the simplest, most flexible, and most efficient option. Email clients will vary, but every computer with Web access will be able to POST via HTTP. Every business has a Web site, and a script to log incoming reports could be written in LC in a few minutes, and be simple enough to take only a few milliseconds of server time. If the company's Web server is off-limits (as is often a good idea; I like to reserve public server clock cycles for the public), you could easily set up any spare machine in the office as an intranet server to handle this. Intranets can be useful for all sorts of services - once you get this logging going you'll no doubt think of dozens of other ways pulling an old PC out of retirement for this can provide strong value to the company. While it takes less than an hour to install Ubuntu Server and Apache and set it up as you like, if that seems daunting you could get started with a simple LC-based server like mchttpd. But given the wide range of useful free tools for intranets, using Apache is a more flexible option. You could still use LC as needed via LiveCode Server, but would also have OwnCloud and anything else your company could find useful available to them. Even if you had to build a custom machine for this, the ROI is strong. Private servers don't need a lot of horsepower (it's mostly just reading files and parsing text) - you may be pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to assemble a cheap kit like this, and how well it performs as a light-duty server: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=19090325pid=4226303 That one totals US$228, and if you shop around there are even cheaper options available. Small machines like that are also pretty green - most of the recent Atom CPUs have a TDP of just 10 watts, costing pennies a month to have available as an always-on resource. Set the BIOS to automatically reboot on power failure, plug it into your network, and forget about it - it's like a network appliance, always there for any services you put on it. The oldest one I have in my office uses the Atom 230, one of the first and least powerful Atoms Intel ever made. Yet it handles Apache, OwnCloud, LC Server, and a custom server built on mchttp very well. Besides, most corporations already have intranet servers - why not use them effectively by hosting new services as needed? If an intranet isn't managed flexibly enough to respond to the ever-changing needs of an organization, the problem isn't a technical one, but an opportunity for personnel review. ;) A good IT team will be able to deploy secure separated spaces for new services easily. After all, every successful business understands that the only constant is change. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I am still looking into the PHP script option for corporate users. The PHP/LiveCode solution is completely silent, will work on both the internet and intranet, require no mail config on the client side. The only requirement of the client is that they need to be connected to the internet. You could add to the code to cache the data to be emailed and send it when it comes back on. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
To play the Devil’s advocate so to speak, we had people downloading and installing wares and peer to peer software, and then sharing illegal copies of movies with others out of our high speed corporate network. We told them not to. Over and over again. They kept doing it anyway. This got found out, of course, since there are bots looking for people doing this very thing. Now the producers of said pirated copyrighted material did not approach the people doing it. They did not approach the company I was working for. They approached the ISP and DEMANDED that the ISP block all outbound and inbound traffic from us! Thankfully, the ISP was more sensible than that, and alerted us that we had to find and resolve the issue, prove we had done so, then submit our findings, after which they would alert the concerned party. All that to say this: Users have absolutely NO COMPUNCTION WHATSOEVER about jeopardizing the corporate network using the companies own equipment. Therefore, it remains the companies responsibility and obligation to protect itself by monitoring what is going into and out of computers that belong to the company. Period. We did after all, have each employee sign an Acceptable Use policy telling them that any and all information stored on the companies computers was subject to viewing by authorized personnel. Not only that, but our content management software would log attempts to access blacklisted websites, so let’s not pretend this is not happening ALL THE TIME. Data is being collected on all of us everywhere, not just by the companies we work for, but by our ISP’s, our mail providers, our search engines and our frigging location services on our cell phones for crying out loud. And that is our PERSONAL computers! I think being upset about this is much ado about nothing. Bob On Mar 28, 2014, at 14:41 , Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard wrote: secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Why use email? Why not mySQL or a simple SMB share? Something like that? Bob On Mar 28, 2014, at 18:25 , Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of its search to a central server, which then handles the emailing. This is what I wanted to do originally, and how I first developed this app. What I have since been told by one client (who has about 100 Mac's) is that at their level of corporate business, they don't want any information leaving their network. Everything needs to be kept contained within their business. They have told me that this will generally be the case for many corporate clients of their size and larger. The ideal way seems to be to have the app generate the email itself, using the SMTP parameters from the corporate mail server. Or by taking advantage of something like the sendemail command. Thanks for your suggestion Mark. Did I misunderstand what you suggested? Richard On 3/28/14 6:07 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: Richard, I understand the need to develop this type of application. You are going to want to run a php script on your server and have your mac app call the php script and send the needed parameters. This will keep things quite so the individual working on that system is not bothered by applications loading and interrupting their work flow. I tried pasting working code to solve this problem here, but it seem to be upsetting some server somewhere. It thinks I am doing something bad. Sound familiar? Oh well. I will put the code on in a text file on my server and make it available that way. This link will get you some fully tested, working code. If you have any questions, please let me know. http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/mailCode.txt Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Is that really invisible? If they are in Apple Mail, don’t they see the mail
being created and sent? Also, it will be in their sent mail. Not my idea of
invisible. Further, this will only work if an email account with working SMTP
has been already created, and if the SMTP server ever becomes unavailable and
your app attempts to send something, it will pop an error.
Bob
On Mar 28, 2014, at 19:33 , Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote:
This solution looks promising. Used the following as an applescript. Worked
perfectly. Just requires that each Mac have a working version of Mail
installed.
-
set recipientName to Richard
set recipientAddress to rdmil...@together.net
set theSubject to Type your subject here!
set theContent to Type your message content here!
tell application Mail
##Create the message
set theMessage to make new outgoing message with properties
{subject:theSubject, content:theContent, visible:true}
##Set a recipient
tell theMessage
make new to recipient with properties {name:recipientName,
address:recipientAddress}
##Send the Message
send
end tell
end tell
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Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
In 100% agreement. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Bob Sneidar bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com wrote: To play the Devil’s advocate so to speak, we had people downloading and installing wares and peer to peer software, and then sharing illegal copies of movies with others out of our high speed corporate network. We told them not to. Over and over again. They kept doing it anyway. This got found out, of course, since there are bots looking for people doing this very thing. Now the producers of said pirated copyrighted material did not approach the people doing it. They did not approach the company I was working for. They approached the ISP and DEMANDED that the ISP block all outbound and inbound traffic from us! Thankfully, the ISP was more sensible than that, and alerted us that we had to find and resolve the issue, prove we had done so, then submit our findings, after which they would alert the concerned party. All that to say this: Users have absolutely NO COMPUNCTION WHATSOEVER about jeopardizing the corporate network using the companies own equipment. Therefore, it remains the companies responsibility and obligation to protect itself by monitoring what is going into and out of computers that belong to the company. Period. We did after all, have each employee sign an Acceptable Use policy telling them that any and all information stored on the companies computers was subject to viewing by authorized personnel. Not only that, but our content management software would log attempts to access blacklisted websites, so let’s not pretend this is not happening ALL THE TIME. Data is being collected on all of us everywhere, not just by the companies we work for, but by our ISP’s, our mail providers, our search engines and our frigging location services on our cell phones for crying out loud. And that is our PERSONAL computers! I think being upset about this is much ado about nothing. Bob On Mar 28, 2014, at 14:41 , Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard wrote: secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: secret collection is the devil. then I apologize if I misjudged the intentions of your app. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Thanks, Mark. Will give it a try. Looks like it could be a simple solution. Richard On 3/28/14 11:15 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of its search to a central server, which then handles the emailing. This is what I wanted to do originally, and how I first developed this app. What I have since been told by one client (who has about 100 Mac's) is that at their level of corporate business, they don't want any information leaving their network. Everything needs to be kept contained within their business. They have told me that this will generally be the case for many corporate clients of their size and larger. The ideal way seems to be to have the app generate the email itself, using the SMTP parameters from the corporate mail server. Or by taking advantage of something like the sendemail command. Thanks for your suggestion Mark. Did I misunderstand what you suggested? Richard If the intranet is set up such that the emails can be obtained on the local network then, you can meet the requirements of IT by posting your data to an ip # on your company network. You simply need to have PHP and a working email system installed on the receiving server/computer. Alternatively, a database set up on a local server will also work. I think the PHP solution my be easier. I would show them the code I posted for you and have them give it a try. We have found the solution to be very robust. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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No worries, Stephen. On 3/29/14 4:48 AM, stephen barncard wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: secret collection is the devil. then I apologize if I misjudged the intentions of your app. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Folks, Unfortunately, invisibly sending information about your online activities is a common situation. We don't expect it in standalone apps, but who deals only with standalone these days? I know of no other environment where I am presented with at least several attempts, per day, to do something (click a link, get a reward, etc) that will compromise the security of my computer, or my financial activities. It's an appalling situation, and most of us know how to minimize the risks, but I do find it disconcerting that there is so much information about me floating around. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Mar 29, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I don’t want to quibble, but the request in this e-mail would seem to me to be highly dangerous, totally subversive, and irrevocably suspicious. Maybe somebody would like to graft into a developing LiveCode program, an automatic spy mechanism. I suggest that nobody answer to this e-mail, especially those who could conceive of a way to do it. Confused -Francis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
On Mar 29, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I don’t want to quibble, but the request in this e-mail would seem to me to be highly dangerous, totally subversive, and irrevocably suspicious. Maybe somebody would like to graft into a developing LiveCode program, an automatic spy mechanism. I suggest that nobody answer to this e-mail, especially those who could conceive of a way to do it. Confused All tools can be used for either evil or good. In this case, Richard Miller has been a member of this community for as long as I can remember. The knowledge he seeks is easily obtained from very simple google searches. I happen to have a solution that might save him the time and effort of tooling around to get it right. I understand the need for the tool he is making and see no problems with helping him to get things working. Richard’s tool is for a company network of computers under their control. If this technology was to be used on computers outside the control of the company, it is common to notify the user at least once that this is taking place via a dialog, preference setting, and EULA. What I find technologically interesting is that LiveCode has progressed to a point that developers can now make tools in new markets to solve problems we could not do previously. Canela has developed a technology we lovingly refer to as minions for our office use. These light applications run silently in the background providing our software the ability to process data in a distributed fashion. This increases our productivity, which in turn increases the productive of the users of our products and services. They can be installed on every computer in our company wide network to do good. I foresee a time in the near future where we will use them in the software we provide to our customers to make our applications download updates and perform long calculations in the background. These tasks today either interrupt our users and/or degrade their experience. These silent applications work on separate threads of any modern CPU and make our offering more attractive than our competitors. You can see the value of the minions in one of the RunRev conference videos from Atlanta circa 2012. Skip to about the middle of my presentation and see what these little guys can do. Is Richard’s work any different? Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
In this case, Richard Miller has been a member of this community for as long as I can remember. Thanks for mentioning this, Mark. Perhaps some were not aware of this. I would NEVER create software that was not of high ethical standards. In this case, my app can help save all the data on the users computer by predicting a hard drive or software failure in advance. Kinda useful, I think. Richard Miller On 3/29/14 1:03 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Mar 29, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittany, I don’t want to quibble, but the request in this e-mail would seem to me to be highly dangerous, totally subversive, and irrevocably suspicious. Maybe somebody would like to graft into a developing LiveCode program, an automatic spy mechanism. I suggest that nobody answer to this e-mail, especially those who could conceive of a way to do it. Confused All tools can be used for either evil or good. In this case, Richard Miller has been a member of this community for as long as I can remember. The knowledge he seeks is easily obtained from very simple google searches. I happen to have a solution that might save him the time and effort of tooling around to get it right. I understand the need for the tool he is making and see no problems with helping him to get things working. Richard’s tool is for a company network of computers under their control. If this technology was to be used on computers outside the control of the company, it is common to notify the user at least once that this is taking place via a dialog, preference setting, and EULA. What I find technologically interesting is that LiveCode has progressed to a point that developers can now make tools in new markets to solve problems we could not do previously. Canela has developed a technology we lovingly refer to as minions for our office use. These light applications run silently in the background providing our software the ability to process data in a distributed fashion. This increases our productivity, which in turn increases the productive of the users of our products and services. They can be installed on every computer in our company wide network to do good. I foresee a time in the near future where we will use them in the software we provide to our customers to make our applications download updates and perform long calculations in the background. These tasks today either interrupt our users and/or degrade their experience. These silent applications work on separate threads of any modern CPU and make our offering more attractive than our competitors. You can see the value of the minions in one of the RunRev conference videos from Atlanta circa 2012. Skip to about the middle of my presentation and see what these little guys can do. Is Richard’s work any different? Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Let me get this straight... You not only have a clandestine app running invisible to the User, but you also want to invisibly collect (presumably User) data and then email the data without the User knowing? Frankly I am not surprised you are finding it hard to get a Mac to cooperate. Sounds like how a virus behaves. Hugh Senior FLCo Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. I have not yet found a reliable way for the program to send an email to admin. This has to be done invisibly, so revmail is not an option. I tried both Shao Shen's libSMTP and Sarah's SMTPlibrary, but haven't had much success configuring the SMTP server information so that it will reliably send an email. I can get these to work with some SMTP server data (like GoDaddy), but often times, with a given clients mail server, neither of these programs will send an email. They just generate errors (like badconnect) as soon as SEND is pressed... even though I know the SMTP server data is correct. I thought about using the built-in OSX sendemail command from a Shell script, but I have read that that command will often not work on a given Mac unless the Mac has been set up to allow it to work. Not sure what is involved to make this command work. There must be some reliable way to (invisibly) send an email from a LC program running under OS X. Any suggestions? Thanks, Richard Miller ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Hugh, This is for a corporate application. The owners of the business will install and control this app. The data it is reporting only has to do with the health of the Mac it is running on. It's a maintenance program. Richard On 3/28/14 5:10 PM, FlexibleLearning.com wrote: Let me get this straight... You not only have a clandestine app running invisible to the User, but you also want to invisibly collect (presumably User) data and then email the data without the User knowing? Frankly I am not surprised you are finding it hard to get a Mac to cooperate. Sounds like how a virus behaves. Hugh Senior FLCo Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. I have not yet found a reliable way for the program to send an email to admin. This has to be done invisibly, so revmail is not an option. I tried both Shao Shen's libSMTP and Sarah's SMTPlibrary, but haven't had much success configuring the SMTP server information so that it will reliably send an email. I can get these to work with some SMTP server data (like GoDaddy), but often times, with a given clients mail server, neither of these programs will send an email. They just generate errors (like badconnect) as soon as SEND is pressed... even though I know the SMTP server data is correct. I thought about using the built-in OSX sendemail command from a Shell script, but I have read that that command will often not work on a given Mac unless the Mac has been set up to allow it to work. Not sure what is involved to make this command work. There must be some reliable way to (invisibly) send an email from a LC program running under OS X. Any suggestions? Thanks, Richard Miller ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard wrote: secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Might it be easier to access a URL rather than send an email ? Have a server somewhere which can gather the data included and email it along to wherever it needs to go ? (Or, to put it another way, I don't know how to directly answer your question :-) -- Alex. On 28/03/2014 20:53, Richard Miller wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. I have not yet found a reliable way for the program to send an email to admin. This has to be done invisibly, so revmail is not an option. I tried both Shao Shen's libSMTP and Sarah's SMTPlibrary, but haven't had much success configuring the SMTP server information so that it will reliably send an email. I can get these to work with some SMTP server data (like GoDaddy), but often times, with a given clients mail server, neither of these programs will send an email. They just generate errors (like badconnect) as soon as SEND is pressed... even though I know the SMTP server data is correct. I thought about using the built-in OSX sendemail command from a Shell script, but I have read that that command will often not work on a given Mac unless the Mac has been set up to allow it to work. Not sure what is involved to make this command work. There must be some reliable way to (invisibly) send an email from a LC program running under OS X. Any suggestions? Thanks, Richard Miller ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
On 3/28/14, 3:53 PM, Richard Miller wrote: I thought about using the built-in OSX sendemail command from a Shell script, but I have read that that command will often not work on a given Mac unless the Mac has been set up to allow it to work. Not sure what is involved to make this command work. I think I'd just try it. Presumably since the machines are set up by the company, they could also enable whatever is required as needed. It's their property and their setup. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Yes, quite the harsh remarks :) On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard wrote: secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Richard, We as developer are always open to various viewpoints. Here is the solution I had implemented long time back on similar lines at a fortune 10 company (without LC) but should do the job to your expectation: -Have an additional database server (mysql/oracle) in your corporate env. -send the message userid/machineid as record to that server. -write the email code for on-insert (or post insert) trigger based on your need. - on-insert trigger, if you want to store all messages for user/machine/error analysis later - post-insert trigger, if you do not want to store these messages on the server and delete them after sending the email. Hope this helps! Best Regards, Pradeep From: Richard Miller w...@together.net To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard wrote: secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
If all this is so innocent, why hide it from the person using the Mac ? Have you heard yourselves !? Jacque Landman-Gay wrote :- I think I'd just try it. Presumably since the machines are set up by the company, they could also enable whatever is required as needed. It's their property and their setup. Richard Miller wrote :- Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
I tried sendemail from my own laptop from within Terminal, but can't get it to work. Anyone know how to configure a Mac to enable this? On 3/28/14 5:45 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 3/28/14, 3:53 PM, Richard Miller wrote: I thought about using the built-in OSX sendemail command from a Shell script, but I have read that that command will often not work on a given Mac unless the Mac has been set up to allow it to work. Not sure what is involved to make this command work. I think I'd just try it. Presumably since the machines are set up by the company, they could also enable whatever is required as needed. It's their property and their setup. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
There is no intention to hide anything. It's a background maintenance program. On 3/28/14 5:53 PM, John Dixon wrote: If all this is so innocent, why hide it from the person using the Mac ? Have you heard yourselves !? Jacque Landman-Gay wrote :- I think I'd just try it. Presumably since the machines are set up by the company, they could also enable whatever is required as needed. It's their property and their setup. Richard Miller wrote :- Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
I data collect on an internal app used in my business. I have a web server with a web page that logs all connections to it. The user app will POST to the server and that data goes into the log. I can review the logs and do stats on the app usage and such. Since it is all internal users, they all have access to that server. The fun thing is that the logs get rolled so that it’s only the last some number of days that is stored in the logs. If I never need to look at the data, the files stay a fixed size. Kee Nethery ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
The challenge with this approach is that my app could be used by hundreds of businesses, from very small to very large. Whatever the solution is, it can't be complex for the business to implement. On 3/28/14 5:53 PM, Pradeep Saxena wrote: Richard, We as developer are always open to various viewpoints. Here is the solution I had implemented long time back on similar lines at a fortune 10 company (without LC) but should do the job to your expectation: -Have an additional database server (mysql/oracle) in your corporate env. -send the message userid/machineid as record to that server. -write the email code for on-insert (or post insert) trigger based on your need. - on-insert trigger, if you want to store all messages for user/machine/error analysis later - post-insert trigger, if you do not want to store these messages on the server and delete them after sending the email. Hope this helps! Best Regards, Pradeep From: Richard Miller w...@together.net To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard wrote: secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Richard, I understand the need to develop this type of application. You are going to want to run a php script on your server and have your mac app call the php script and send the needed parameters. This will keep things quite so the individual working on that system is not bothered by applications loading and interrupting their work flow. I tried pasting working code to solve this problem here, but it seem to be upsetting some server somewhere. It thinks I am doing something bad. Sound familiar? Oh well. I will put the code on in a text file on my server and make it available that way. This link will get you some fully tested, working code. If you have any questions, please let me know. http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/mailCode.txt Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
Richard, I implemented a php script to send mail to me, with some diagnostic information, when my Director program threw a script error. I am not at my desktop, so can't tell you the exact way to find it, but I am sure you can google it. You just post your message and destination to the php script, and the email gets sent. It's your choice whether to notify the user. This does involve having a server, but it's easy and works. Best, Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Mar 28, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: The challenge with this approach is that my app could be used by hundreds of businesses, from very small to very large. Whatever the solution is, it can't be complex for the business to implement. On 3/28/14 5:53 PM, Pradeep Saxena wrote: Richard, We as developer are always open to various viewpoints. Here is the solution I had implemented long time back on similar lines at a fortune 10 company (without LC) but should do the job to your expectation: -Have an additional database server (mysql/oracle) in your corporate env. -send the message userid/machineid as record to that server. -write the email code for on-insert (or post insert) trigger based on your need. - on-insert trigger, if you want to store all messages for user/machine/error analysis later - post-insert trigger, if you do not want to store these messages on the server and delete them after sending the email. Hope this helps! Best Regards, Pradeep From: Richard Miller w...@together.net To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app Fascinating responses here. Quite a spin folks are putting on my message without even asking first. The program is looking for signs of system failure on the Mac, before drives crash or other problems get out of hand. Nothing to do with the user. On 3/28/14 5:23 PM, stephen barncard wrote: secret collection is the devil. sqb *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, John Dixon dixo...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Not nice...:-( Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: I have a Mac-only LC program that runs invisibly in the background. This is used in a corporate environment, so the actual user of the Mac computer will not likely even know it is running. It is designed to collect certain data and send it to management. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
What he said - only I'd run a LC Server script instead of a PHP script :-) You could even run that LCServer script on your own site, as a service for all the different businesses that will use the program, and thus simplify setup for them. -- Alex. On 28/03/2014 22:07, Mark Talluto wrote: Richard, I understand the need to develop this type of application. You are going to want to run a php script on your server and have your mac app call the php script and send the needed parameters. This will keep things quite so the individual working on that system is not bothered by applications loading and interrupting their work flow. I tried pasting working code to solve this problem here, but it seem to be upsetting some server somewhere. It thinks I am doing something bad. Sound familiar? Oh well. I will put the code on in a text file on my server and make it available that way. This link will get you some fully tested, working code. If you have any questions, please let me know. http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/mailCode.txt Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of its search to a central server, which then handles the emailing. This is what I wanted to do originally, and how I first developed this app. What I have since been told by one client (who has about 100 Mac's) is that at their level of corporate business, they don't want any information leaving their network. Everything needs to be kept contained within their business. They have told me that this will generally be the case for many corporate clients of their size and larger. The ideal way seems to be to have the app generate the email itself, using the SMTP parameters from the corporate mail server. Or by taking advantage of something like the sendemail command. Thanks for your suggestion Mark. Did I misunderstand what you suggested? Richard On 3/28/14 6:07 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: Richard, I understand the need to develop this type of application. You are going to want to run a php script on your server and have your mac app call the php script and send the needed parameters. This will keep things quite so the individual working on that system is not bothered by applications loading and interrupting their work flow. I tried pasting working code to solve this problem here, but it seem to be upsetting some server somewhere. It thinks I am doing something bad. Sound familiar? Oh well. I will put the code on in a text file on my server and make it available that way. This link will get you some fully tested, working code. If you have any questions, please let me know. http://www.canelasoftware.com/pub/rev/mailCode.txt Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
This solution looks promising. Used the following as an applescript.
Worked perfectly. Just requires that each Mac have a working version of
Mail installed.
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set recipientName to Richard
set recipientAddress to rdmil...@together.net
set theSubject to Type your subject here!
set theContent to Type your message content here!
tell application Mail
##Create the message
set theMessage to make new outgoing message with properties
{subject:theSubject, content:theContent, visible:true}
##Set a recipient
tell theMessage
make new to recipient with properties
{name:recipientName, address:recipientAddress}
##Send the Message
send
end tell
end tell
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Re: Sending mail (invisibly) from inside a Mac LC app
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Richard Miller w...@together.net wrote: If I understand what you are saying, you are suggesting that my LC app send out the results of its search to a central server, which then handles the emailing. This is what I wanted to do originally, and how I first developed this app. What I have since been told by one client (who has about 100 Mac's) is that at their level of corporate business, they don't want any information leaving their network. Everything needs to be kept contained within their business. They have told me that this will generally be the case for many corporate clients of their size and larger. The ideal way seems to be to have the app generate the email itself, using the SMTP parameters from the corporate mail server. Or by taking advantage of something like the sendemail command. Thanks for your suggestion Mark. Did I misunderstand what you suggested? Richard If the intranet is set up such that the emails can be obtained on the local network then, you can meet the requirements of IT by posting your data to an ip # on your company network. You simply need to have PHP and a working email system installed on the receiving server/computer. Alternatively, a database set up on a local server will also work. I think the PHP solution my be easier. I would show them the code I posted for you and have them give it a try. We have found the solution to be very robust. Best regards, Mark Talluto canelasoftware.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
