Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 06/09/2011 09:52 AM, FlexibleLearning wrote:

Rule of Thumb: Never buy anything with a zero on the end.

:)


In the light of recent experiences I have been having with Ubuntu one 
may wish

to expand that:

Never do anything with a zero on the end.

Hugh Senior
FLCo



Colin Holgate wrote

My last attempt to install Lion resulted in a drive that is so unhappy that
I can't even format it using Terminal. DiskWarrior makes a little chuckling
sound when I try to use it to see the drive, and Disk Utility has no clue
either.


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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
So by that rule, we should have skipped the next three versions of MS Office 
and Server, since Server 2000 and Office 2000? ;-)

Bob


On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:52 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote:

 
 Rule of Thumb: Never buy anything with a zero on the end.
 
 :)
 
 Hugh Senior
 FLCo
 
 
 
 Colin Holgate wrote
 
 My last attempt to install Lion resulted in a drive that is so unhappy that
 I can't even format it using Terminal. DiskWarrior makes a little chuckling
 sound when I try to use it to see the drive, and Disk Utility has no clue
 either.
 
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 06/09/2011 07:28 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

So by that rule, we should have skipped the next three versions of MS Office 
and Server, since Server 2000 and Office 2000? ;-)


Yeah, well, my experience is that if a product says Microsoft I don't 
even bother to

check for zeros or not . . . I start finding another way to do things.


Bob


On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:52 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote:


Rule of Thumb: Never buy anything with a zero on the end.

:)

Hugh Senior
FLCo



Colin Holgate wrote

My last attempt to install Lion resulted in a drive that is so unhappy that
I can't even format it using Terminal. DiskWarrior makes a little chuckling
sound when I try to use it to see the drive, and Disk Utility has no clue
either.


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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Andre Garzia
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Richmond Mathewson 
richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 06/09/2011 07:28 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

 So by that rule, we should have skipped the next three versions of MS
 Office and Server, since Server 2000 and Office 2000? ;-)


 Yeah, well, my experience is that if a product says Microsoft I don't
 even bother to
 check for zeros or not . . . I start finding another way to do things.


truth be said: Microsoft makes great video games, the XBOX 360 is a great
machine for both players and developers but on the other hand, their desktop
computing business well... you know






  Bob


 On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:52 PM, FlexibleLearning wrote:

  Rule of Thumb: Never buy anything with a zero on the end.

 :)

 Hugh Senior
 FLCo



 Colin Holgate wrote

 My last attempt to install Lion resulted in a drive that is so unhappy
 that
 I can't even format it using Terminal. DiskWarrior makes a little
 chuckling
 sound when I try to use it to see the drive, and Disk Utility has no clue
 either.


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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob-

Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:28:39 AM, you wrote:

 So by that rule, we should have skipped the next three versions
 of MS Office and Server, since Server 2000 and Office 2000? ;-)

I did. About six months ago I switched to Open Office and have never
looked back. Just waslked away from my MSOffice licenses and life is
good. No weird unexplainable bugs, no bloated documents, no tracking
info, no arcane EULAs...

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 06/09/2011 11:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Bob-

Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:28:39 AM, you wrote:


So by that rule, we should have skipped the next three versions
of MS Office and Server, since Server 2000 and Office 2000? ;-)

I did. About six months ago I switched to Open Office and have never
looked back. Just waslked away from my MSOffice licenses and life is
good. No weird unexplainable bugs, no bloated documents, no tracking
info, no arcane EULAs...


Some people got forked off and set up the Document Foundation,
which is now stealing all the light:

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
I wish I could do that in a corporate environment. I would have people bleating 
to the powers that be that Bob is trying to ruin everything and destroy all the 
data faster than you could say two whiskers. 

Bob


On Jun 9, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

 Bob-
 
 Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:28:39 AM, you wrote:
 
 So by that rule, we should have skipped the next three versions
 of MS Office and Server, since Server 2000 and Office 2000? ;-)
 
 I did. About six months ago I switched to Open Office and have never
 looked back. Just waslked away from my MSOffice licenses and life is
 good. No weird unexplainable bugs, no bloated documents, no tracking
 info, no arcane EULAs...
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

On 06/09/2011 11:41 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I wish I could do that in a corporate environment. I would have people bleating 
to the powers that be that Bob is trying to ruin everything and destroy all the 
data faster than you could say two whiskers.


Even if I've achieved nothing else here in Plovdiv, Bulgaria; I have 
managed to get almost all the kids
I teach who have Mums and Dads who run companies (quite a few) to switch 
to licensed Windows
and Open Office. However the thing that really makes me happy are those 
who have gone over to

using a Linux distro with OOO. Nobody has yet complained about OOO.


Bob




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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Richard Gaskin

I always loved John Vokey's sigline:

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

-Dr. John R. Vokey

:)

I've been using OpenOffice for the last two years, and recently switched 
to its younger brother LibreOffice - very capable tools that do a great 
job for what I need from an office suite.


- rg

Bob Sneidar wrote:


I wish I could do that in a corporate environment. I would have people bleating 
to the powers that be that Bob is trying to ruin everything and destroy all the 
data faster than you could say two whiskers.

Bob

On Jun 9, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Bob-

Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:28:39 AM, you wrote:


So by that rule, we should have skipped the next three versions
of MS Office and Server, since Server 2000 and Office 2000? ;-)


I did. About six months ago I switched to Open Office and have never
looked back. Just waslked away from my MSOffice licenses and life is
good. No weird unexplainable bugs, no bloated documents, no tracking
info, no arcane EULAs...

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
A-FREAKEN-MEN!!!

On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 I always loved John Vokey's sigline:
 
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
 
-Dr. John R. Vokey
 
 :)


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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread David C.
 truth be said: Microsoft makes great video games, the XBOX 360 is a great
 machine for both players and developers but on the other hand, their desktop
 computing business well... you know

Perhaps we can convince Microsoft to start building their own
proprietary hardware, just like Apple, then make sure that their OS
and related software won't run on anything else, so that comparing
Apples to Everything would really be possible. Then the dye in
the wool fan-boys for both companies could argue about which company
has the worst policies and EULA, thereby exerting the most control
over their respective fandoms. The winner of the argument would
deserve what they won.

The majority of us would move on to Linux and a happier existence.

Wishful thinking

Best regards,
David C.

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-09 Thread Bob Sneidar
And then we could ALL finally get some rest.

Bob


On Jun 9, 2011, at 3:41 PM, David C. wrote:

 truth be said: Microsoft makes great video games, the XBOX 360 is a great
 machine for both players and developers but on the other hand, their desktop
 computing business well... you know
 
 Perhaps we can convince Microsoft to start building their own
 proprietary hardware, just like Apple, then make sure that their OS
 and related software won't run on anything else, so that comparing
 Apples to Everything would really be possible. Then the dye in
 the wool fan-boys for both companies could argue about which company
 has the worst policies and EULA, thereby exerting the most control
 over their respective fandoms. The winner of the argument would
 deserve what they won.
 
 The majority of us would move on to Linux and a happier existence.
 
 Wishful thinking
 
 Best regards,
 David C.
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Sarah Reichelt
I have found with a previously compiled standalone, that the colors of
some interface elements are weird - fields going pink, tab buttons
dark gray. But this may be because the app was not built in Lion.

More seriously, AppleScript has changed, so any apps that use
AppleScript may have problems.
I don't have any details about what works  what doesn't, but I know
some of my AppleScripts just fail quietly.

Cheers,
Sarah



On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:10 PM, stephen barncard
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:
 LIVECODE eems to be running just fine in the 64 bit OS.

 And boy the UI is subtle and beautiful

 'Native Look and Feel' indeed.

 http://fulton.barncard.com/downloads/Livecode462dp1RuningInLion.png

 sqb


 btw, everything is faster and smoother with the new OS.  With a fresh
 install pretty speed. No spinning pizzas while virtual gets its act
 together.

 --
 -  !  -


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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread René Micout
Hello Stephen,
Some problem with scroll bars... ?!
René

Le 8 juin 2011 à 11:10, stephen barncard a écrit :

 LIVECODE eems to be running just fine in the 64 bit OS.
 
 And boy the UI is subtle and beautiful
 
 'Native Look and Feel' indeed.
 
 http://fulton.barncard.com/downloads/Livecode462dp1RuningInLion.png
 
 sqb
 
 
 btw, everything is faster and smoother with the new OS.  With a fresh
 install pretty speed. No spinning pizzas while virtual gets its act
 together.
 
 -- 
 -  !  -
 
 
 Stephen Barncard
 San Francisco Ca. USA
 
 
 more about sqb
 
 
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote:
 Hello Stephen,
 Some problem with scroll bars... ?!
 René

No René - that is how scroll bars look in Lion.
And they work in the opposite direction i.e. they are designed for
trackpad swiping rather than mouse clicking.

Cheers,
Sarah

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread René Micout
Hello Sarah,
Yes I know, but in Lion (like in iOS) only the dark part of the scroll bar is 
visible, not the pipe... (?)
René

Le 8 juin 2011 à 12:54, Sarah Reichelt a écrit :

 On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com 
 wrote:
 Hello Stephen,
 Some problem with scroll bars... ?!
 René
 
 No René - that is how scroll bars look in Lion.
 And they work in the opposite direction i.e. they are designed for
 trackpad swiping rather than mouse clicking.
 
 Cheers,
 Sarah
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Andre Garzia
My lion installation failed four times until I managed to boot from other
media and used disk utility to repair the HD, mind you that the HD was
working fine with Snow Leopard.

My machine is a macbook pro with intel core 2 duo and 4GB of RAM. I find the
system slower than with Snow Leopard. Also on a pure aesthetic note, I don't
like the new login screen.

LiveCode appears to be fine here.

Cheers
andre

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:36 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote:

 Hello Sarah,
 Yes I know, but in Lion (like in iOS) only the dark part of the scroll bar
 is visible, not the pipe... (?)
 René

 Le 8 juin 2011 à 12:54, Sarah Reichelt a écrit :

  On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
 wrote:
  Hello Stephen,
  Some problem with scroll bars... ?!
  René
 
  No René - that is how scroll bars look in Lion.
  And they work in the opposite direction i.e. they are designed for
  trackpad swiping rather than mouse clicking.
 
  Cheers,
  Sarah
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Pierre Sahores
Andre,

Along the DiskWarrior disk recovery tool always at hand if needed..., i use the 
free SmartReporter disk integrity tool for years and it would perhaps help in 
such cases.

Lion ?... I did't install its DPs and i suspect i will wait for the final 
public release to test it...

Best,

Pierre

Le 8 juin 2011 à 14:30, Andre Garzia a écrit :

 My lion installation failed four times until I managed to boot from other
 media and used disk utility to repair the HD, mind you that the HD was
 working fine with Snow Leopard.
 
 My machine is a macbook pro with intel core 2 duo and 4GB of RAM. I find the
 system slower than with Snow Leopard. Also on a pure aesthetic note, I don't
 like the new login screen.
 
 LiveCode appears to be fine here.
 
 Cheers
 andre
 
 On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:36 AM, René Micout 
 rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote:
 
 Hello Sarah,
 Yes I know, but in Lion (like in iOS) only the dark part of the scroll bar
 is visible, not the pipe... (?)
 René
 
 Le 8 juin 2011 à 12:54, Sarah Reichelt a écrit :
 
 On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
 wrote:
 Hello Stephen,
 Some problem with scroll bars... ?!
 René
 
 No René - that is how scroll bars look in Lion.
 And they work in the opposite direction i.e. they are designed for
 trackpad swiping rather than mouse clicking.
 
 Cheers,
 Sarah
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Andre Garzia
Pierre,

The problem here was that my snow leopard dvd was at another place so I had
no way to boot from a different startup disk to recover the main disk... now
it is done.

I advise you to wait till it is released, I just installed DP4 and I don't
think I like it (just for personal reasons, nothing technical)

cheers
andre

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote:

 Andre,

 Along the DiskWarrior disk recovery tool always at hand if needed..., i use
 the free SmartReporter disk integrity tool for years and it would perhaps
 help in such cases.

 Lion ?... I did't install its DPs and i suspect i will wait for the final
 public release to test it...

 Best,

 Pierre

 Le 8 juin 2011 à 14:30, Andre Garzia a écrit :

  My lion installation failed four times until I managed to boot from other
  media and used disk utility to repair the HD, mind you that the HD was
  working fine with Snow Leopard.
 
  My machine is a macbook pro with intel core 2 duo and 4GB of RAM. I find
 the
  system slower than with Snow Leopard. Also on a pure aesthetic note, I
 don't
  like the new login screen.
 
  LiveCode appears to be fine here.
 
  Cheers
  andre
 
  On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:36 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com
 wrote:
 
  Hello Sarah,
  Yes I know, but in Lion (like in iOS) only the dark part of the scroll
 bar
  is visible, not the pipe... (?)
  René
 
  Le 8 juin 2011 à 12:54, Sarah Reichelt a écrit :
 
  On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, René Micout 
 rene.mic...@numericable.com
  wrote:
  Hello Stephen,
  Some problem with scroll bars... ?!
  René
 
  No René - that is how scroll bars look in Lion.
  And they work in the opposite direction i.e. they are designed for
  trackpad swiping rather than mouse clicking.
 
  Cheers,
  Sarah
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Warren Samples
On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 09:50:16 AM Andre Garzia wrote:
  I don't think I like it (just for personal reasons, nothing technical)
 
 cheers
 andre


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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Richard Gaskin

René Micout wrote:


Yes I know, but in Lion (like in iOS) only the dark part of the scroll bar is visible, 
not the pipe... (?)


I started to write one of my TL/DR posts in reply, but as a courtesy to 
the subscribers here I decided to just post it at the LiveCode Journal 
blog instead:


http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1307545265.586975

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 6/8/11 10:37 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

René Micout wrote:


Yes I know, but in Lion (like in iOS) only the dark part of the scroll
bar is visible, not the pipe... (?)


I started to write one of my TL/DR posts in reply, but as a courtesy to
the subscribers here I decided to just post it at the LiveCode Journal
blog instead:

http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv?pid=1307545265.586975


Android scrollbars also disappear when not in use. I suppose there are 
two schools of thought on that. On one hand, you can't immediately see 
where you are in the document, but on the other hand, a quick touch 
brings that up and the remainder of the time the scrollbars stay out of 
the way. I don't mind that.


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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread stephen barncard
yes I am just a reporter.

No that is not  metal, just gray.

I don't know what's up with the default button.

sqb

On 8 June 2011 02:52, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.comwrote:

 Hi Stephen,

 Nothing to blame you for of course, but I can't help noticing:
 - the buttons in the tab menu button are still 1 or 2 pixela off
 - what happened to the default button in the Ask dialog?
 - is that a metal window?

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 Best regards,

 Mark Schonewille



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San Francisco Ca. USA

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Andre Garzia
I can see the future, and right now I see myself going back to linux very
soon... if LiveCode had RevBrowser support on Linux and a FreeBSD engine, I
would be really happy.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Warren Samples war...@warrensweb.us wrote:

 On Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:14:12 AM J. Landman Gay wrote:
  On one hand, you can't immediately see
  where you are in the document, but on the other hand, a quick touch
  brings that up and the remainder of the time the scrollbars stay out of
  the way


 Since we're sharing (and it does relate to UI design practices generally,
 so it's not a bad topic) I don't
 like it. I also find it a very surprising decision in light of the fuss
 made over the dirty window
 indicator. I see some inconsistency here, to put it mildly.

 Warren

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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Colin Holgate
My last attempt to install Lion resulted in a drive that is so unhappy that I 
can't even format it using Terminal. DiskWarrior makes a little chuckling sound 
when I try to use it to see the drive, and Disk Utility has no clue either.



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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread stephen barncard
I think we were warned by Apple Dev that Lion is a beta and to dedicate a
partition or drive for the testing, which is what I did. People on laptops
are outa luck, it's probably hard to 'undo'.

We theoretically shouldn't be talking about it, draconian NDA and all that.

On 8 June 2011 09:59, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote:

 My last attempt to install Lion resulted in a drive that is so unhappy that
 I can't even format it using Terminal. DiskWarrior makes a little chuckling
 sound when I try to use it to see the drive, and Disk Utility has no clue
 either.




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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Bob Sneidar
That sounds like a bad drive. I know the coincidence is stunning, but it's 
possible. 

Bob


On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

 My last attempt to install Lion resulted in a drive that is so unhappy that I 
 can't even format it using Terminal. DiskWarrior makes a little chuckling 
 sound when I try to use it to see the drive, and Disk Utility has no clue 
 either.
 
 
 
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Colin Holgate
It's true that the drive's time may have come, but hopefully I can find a way 
to reformat it.

This is on my old MacBook Pro, so I didn't mind dedicating it to Lion testing.
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Re: LIVECODE running in LION

2011-06-08 Thread Roger Eller
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

 It's true that the drive's time may have come, but hopefully I can find a
 way to reformat it.

 This is on my old MacBook Pro, so I didn't mind dedicating it to Lion
 testing.


Intel Macs can boot from most PC utility CDs.  SpinRite will rejuvenate your
drive, regardless of what OS formatted it, and whether it already contains
data or not.  Let it run overnight.  Make 2 CDs and reboot in the
morning.  g

http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm

~Roger
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