Re: Server Installation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

+1

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 17:12 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>>> When I teach I feel it's important to include WHY in addition to HOW.
> 
> This.
> I can't tell you how often I've helped people out (non-paid) and right in
> the middle of an explanation of why, what things can go wrong, and how to
> fix them.. they interrupt and say.. "But that's what i have you for, can't
> you just make it work.."  Well yes i can for $60 an hour.  Here's your bill.


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Re: Server Installation

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

I was just about to suggest the Abyss webserver when I read your post.

I can confirm that after trying about 6 webservers to run ActiveVFP - a
system to run the FoxPro language on the Web ALL other webservers
crashed.either at start or after a few minutes,  Abyss is running without a
problem. https://aprelium.com/abyssws/

Kindest Regards Lagi

On 28 June 2017 at 01:49, Warren Samples via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 06/27/2017 02:41 PM, Simon Smith via use-livecode wrote:
>
>>   developers need
>> something reliable that they can get up and running quickly and does not
>> require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.
>>
>
>
> Perhaps people should be encouraged to consider alternatives to Apache. I
> suspect that for a lot of users wanting to simply run LiveCode scripts or
> serve dynamic content based on LiveCode scripts, most of the capability and
> flexibility of Apache is wasted overhead. If one has control over the
> software, it seems sensible to me to consider options which allow more
> reliably simple configuration.
>
> I use Hiawatha . It's dead simple to
> configure it to work with LC-Server. I have seen someone suggest the Abyss
> web server: . There
> are others. It may be that spending a little time researching alternatives
> will pay you back in time (and aggravation!) in getting things running.
>
> Warren
>
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Re: Server Installation

[Warren Samples via use-livecode]

On 06/27/2017 02:41 PM, Simon Smith via use-livecode wrote:

  developers need
something reliable that they can get up and running quickly and does not
require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.



Perhaps people should be encouraged to consider alternatives to Apache. 
I suspect that for a lot of users wanting to simply run LiveCode scripts 
or serve dynamic content based on LiveCode scripts, most of the 
capability and flexibility of Apache is wasted overhead. If one has 
control over the software, it seems sensible to me to consider options 
which allow more reliably simple configuration.


I use Hiawatha . It's dead simple to 
configure it to work with LC-Server. I have seen someone suggest the 
Abyss web server: 
. There are 
others. It may be that spending a little time researching alternatives 
will pay you back in time (and aggravation!) in getting things running.


Warren


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Re: Server Installation

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

>>When I teach I feel it's important to include WHY in addition to HOW.

This.
I can't tell you how often I've helped people out (non-paid) and right in
the middle of an explanation of why, what things can go wrong, and how to
fix them.. they interrupt and say.. "But that's what i have you for, can't
you just make it work.."  Well yes i can for $60 an hour.  Here's your bill.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Simon Smith wrote:
>
> > What I like about this is that it lowers the technical knowledge for
> > setting up a server and is a great starting point as you just need to
> > figure out an SSH client.
> ...
> > I think a good shared host should always be considered as a first
> > choice when it comes to hosting anything - if nothing more than for
> > the time saving, the reduced stress and value.
>
> Agreed.  With VPS pricing dropping almost on par with shared host accounts
> I can understand the temptation to take on server administration.  And as
> we learn, it gets to be ever more fun, empowering.
>
> But like learning anything, it takes time.  You said it well last week
> here on this list:
>
>I think it is worth saying that if you are wanting to host your
>own server online - it is well worth the pain of learning how
>to setup everything yourself.
>
>A control panel or a setup script would be great (my personal
>preference would be a setup script) - you do still need some
>experience to run a server online and trouble shoot any problems
>that can occur. Neglecting even something very small can have
>disastrous results - something I have learnt the hard way when
>I had a VPS hacked a many years ago. Learn the basic Linux
>commands, administer a firewall, use vim or nano to edit files,
>setup cron jobs, restart services, monitor resources, manage
>user rights, setup sftp or ftp, tweak mysql etc. You will be
>a better developer for it.
>
> Automation is a great way to speed up routine things - once they become
> routine.
>
> Relying on automation as a substitute for learning may carry the illusion
> well enough that it was a good move -- as long as things remain routine.
>
> But the moment anything non-routine happens, cargo cult development will
> be cause for regret.
>
> When I teach I feel it's important to include WHY in addition to HOW.
>
> Some get impatient, and say, "Just give me the HOW, I don't need to know
> WHY".
>
> But if you learn the WHY, you can usually figure out just about any HOW
> that comes your way.
>
> And if you don't have the time or interest to learn the WHY of server
> admin, paying a professional to do that for you with shared hosting is a
> good way to go.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
>  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com
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Re: Server Installation

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Simon Smith wrote:

> What I like about this is that it lowers the technical knowledge for
> setting up a server and is a great starting point as you just need to
> figure out an SSH client.
...
> I think a good shared host should always be considered as a first
> choice when it comes to hosting anything - if nothing more than for
> the time saving, the reduced stress and value.

Agreed.  With VPS pricing dropping almost on par with shared host 
accounts I can understand the temptation to take on server 
administration.  And as we learn, it gets to be ever more fun, empowering.


But like learning anything, it takes time.  You said it well last week 
here on this list:


   I think it is worth saying that if you are wanting to host your
   own server online - it is well worth the pain of learning how
   to setup everything yourself.

   A control panel or a setup script would be great (my personal
   preference would be a setup script) - you do still need some
   experience to run a server online and trouble shoot any problems
   that can occur. Neglecting even something very small can have
   disastrous results - something I have learnt the hard way when
   I had a VPS hacked a many years ago. Learn the basic Linux
   commands, administer a firewall, use vim or nano to edit files,
   setup cron jobs, restart services, monitor resources, manage
   user rights, setup sftp or ftp, tweak mysql etc. You will be
   a better developer for it.

Automation is a great way to speed up routine things - once they become 
routine.


Relying on automation as a substitute for learning may carry the 
illusion well enough that it was a good move -- as long as things remain 
routine.


But the moment anything non-routine happens, cargo cult development will 
be cause for regret.


When I teach I feel it's important to include WHY in addition to HOW.

Some get impatient, and say, "Just give me the HOW, I don't need to know 
WHY".


But if you learn the WHY, you can usually figure out just about any HOW 
that comes your way.


And if you don't have the time or interest to learn the WHY of server 
admin, paying a professional to do that for you with shared hosting is a 
good way to go.


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Server Installation

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

What I like about this is that it lowers the technical knowledge for
setting up a server and is a great starting point as you just need to
figure out an SSH client.

I have never really taken to Macs - although I do need to consider getting
one in the near future.

I have never liked Microsoft based hosting when I use to use ASP - it was
always messy and was never as stable as Linux based hosting and cost a fair
amount more.

At one of the companies I worked at, we had an a design agency client that
used Macs for all their designers - but chose to run Windows on them and
only use Windows software - never quiet understood that one.

I think a good shared host should always be considered as a first choice
when it comes to hosting anything - if nothing more than for the time
saving, the reduced stress and value. I have never hosted with HostM, but
the have been recommended to me a few times and I have only heard good
things about them.


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Simon Smith wrote:
>
> > I got Livecode server up and running on the Windows 10 using both
> > XAMPP and WAMP without any trouble. Both WAMP and XAMPP only needed
> > a small change. I have documented everything here.
> > http://activethought.net/installing-livecode-windows/
> >- and work equally well for hosting a LiveCode server locally.
>
> Quite nice - thanks for posting that.
>
>
> > I started setting up an online Ubuntu server  - but it's been a while
> > since I have done it and its many many little steps and a lot of work
> > to document. And I don't think its an ideal solution either -
> > developers need something reliable that they can get up and running
> > quickly and does not require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.
>
> LOL - I said the same think after trying to set up a WAMP server a client
> required. I think as with anything touching on platform advocacy, the
> easiest thing is the one you know. :)
>
> In my case I began learning Linux because an increasing number of projects
> had client-server requirements, and nearly every shared host and most VPSes
> I've seen offer Linux, with only a few offering Windows Server at an
> additional cost.
>
> I've even had clients who use Windows exclusively on the desktop
> throughout their org (even the art dept. where Mac might be a better fit),
> but when it came to their public-facing systems they use Linux
> exclusively,  much as Apple, Amazon, and Google rely on it for their clouds.
>
> With OS X being a certified UNIX and Linux being very UNIX-based, I found
> I was able to leverage a lot of Mac automation skills when I started moving
> those bash scripts to my Linux hosts.
>
> In Win10 Anniversary Edition and later, Ubuntu is now available as a
> subsystem there too, so one can build their bash skills universally now.
>
> As for the steps involved, Mike Bonner's outline was very helpful:
> 
>
> And if you use Docker it gets even easier, thanks to Charles Warwick's LC
> container, allowing installation in one step, the Docker way:
> 
>
>
>
> > So after some research I can across ServerPilot.io - a cloud based
> > control panel for cloud servers (like Digital Ocean and Vultr). You
> > setup a clean server - link it to their control panel - and it takes
> > care of everything - in a minute or two you get a nicely setup server
> > - with control panel, mysql, apache and PHP.. Their free option gives
> > you the basics - everything that you need to get a server up and
> > running. There is the option of upgrading the control panel to get
> > extra features. Unfortunately the free account does not give you the
> > ability to setup SSL, You need to pay $10 a month for that - but you
> > can get around that using Cloud Flare.  All that you have to do is
> > setup LiveCode once everything is done - and you what is
> > a really nice little potent little server.
> >
> > If interested - I have gone through it in more detail here, I rushed
> > so hope I have not left anything out -
> > http://activethought.net/perfect-livecode-cloud-server/.
>
> Very nice - thanks.
>
> This reminds me of an interesting service Scott McDonald put together a
> while back, The LiveCode Lab, with multiple versions of LC Server set up
> and ready to use:
> 
>
> The functional part is currently offline, but perhaps if some here were in
> a position to lend a hand he might be motivated to bring it back online.
>
>
> And of course if shared hosting will suffice, the good folks at HostM
> continue to offer a good price for what is AFAIK the only third-party
> commercial hosting service offering pre-configured LiveCode Server:
> 
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, 

Re: Server Installation

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Simon Smith wrote:

> I got Livecode server up and running on the Windows 10 using both
> XAMPP and WAMP without any trouble. Both WAMP and XAMPP only needed
> a small change. I have documented everything here.
> http://activethought.net/installing-livecode-windows/
>- and work equally well for hosting a LiveCode server locally.

Quite nice - thanks for posting that.


> I started setting up an online Ubuntu server  - but it's been a while
> since I have done it and its many many little steps and a lot of work
> to document. And I don't think its an ideal solution either -
> developers need something reliable that they can get up and running
> quickly and does not require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.

LOL - I said the same think after trying to set up a WAMP server a 
client required. I think as with anything touching on platform advocacy, 
the easiest thing is the one you know. :)


In my case I began learning Linux because an increasing number of 
projects had client-server requirements, and nearly every shared host 
and most VPSes I've seen offer Linux, with only a few offering Windows 
Server at an additional cost.


I've even had clients who use Windows exclusively on the desktop 
throughout their org (even the art dept. where Mac might be a better 
fit), but when it came to their public-facing systems they use Linux 
exclusively,  much as Apple, Amazon, and Google rely on it for their clouds.


With OS X being a certified UNIX and Linux being very UNIX-based, I 
found I was able to leverage a lot of Mac automation skills when I 
started moving those bash scripts to my Linux hosts.


In Win10 Anniversary Edition and later, Ubuntu is now available as a 
subsystem there too, so one can build their bash skills universally now.


As for the steps involved, Mike Bonner's outline was very helpful:


And if you use Docker it gets even easier, thanks to Charles Warwick's 
LC container, allowing installation in one step, the Docker way:





> So after some research I can across ServerPilot.io - a cloud based
> control panel for cloud servers (like Digital Ocean and Vultr). You
> setup a clean server - link it to their control panel - and it takes
> care of everything - in a minute or two you get a nicely setup server
> - with control panel, mysql, apache and PHP.. Their free option gives
> you the basics - everything that you need to get a server up and
> running. There is the option of upgrading the control panel to get
> extra features. Unfortunately the free account does not give you the
> ability to setup SSL, You need to pay $10 a month for that - but you
> can get around that using Cloud Flare.  All that you have to do is
> setup LiveCode once everything is done - and you what is
> a really nice little potent little server.
>
> If interested - I have gone through it in more detail here, I rushed
> so hope I have not left anything out -
> http://activethought.net/perfect-livecode-cloud-server/.

Very nice - thanks.

This reminds me of an interesting service Scott McDonald put together a 
while back, The LiveCode Lab, with multiple versions of LC Server set up 
and ready to use:



The functional part is currently offline, but perhaps if some here were 
in a position to lend a hand he might be motivated to bring it back online.



And of course if shared hosting will suffice, the good folks at HostM 
continue to offer a good price for what is AFAIK the only third-party 
commercial hosting service offering pre-configured LiveCode Server:



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Re: Server Installation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

That is exactly my experience. And if you are not familiar with Linux, it's 
unlikely you can get it running solo. 

Bob S


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 12:41 , Simon Smith via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I started setting up an online Ubuntu server  - but it's been a while since
> I have done it and its many many little steps and a lot of work to
> document. And I don't think its an ideal solution either - developers need
> something reliable that they can get up and running quickly and does not
> require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.


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Re: Server Installation

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

Excellent documentation!  Watch out for line wrapping on that first link.
http://activethought.net/installing-livecode-windows/


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Simon Smith via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's taken me longer than I had hoped to do this.
>
> I got Livecode server up and running on the Windows 10 using both XAMPP and
> WAMP without any trouble. Both WAMP and XAMPP only needed a small change. I
> have documented everything here. http://activethought.
> net/installing-livecode-windows/  - and work equally well for hosting a
> LiveCode server locally.
>
> I started setting up an online Ubuntu server  - but it's been a while since
> I have done it and its many many little steps and a lot of work to
> document. And I don't think its an ideal solution either - developers need
> something reliable that they can get up and running quickly and does not
> require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.
>
> So after some research I can across ServerPilot.io - a cloud based control
> panel for cloud servers (like Digital Ocean and Vultr). You setup a clean
> server - link it to their control panel - and it takes care of everything -
> in a minute or two you get a nicely setup server - with control panel,
> mysql, apache and PHP.. Their free option gives you the basics - everything
> that you need to get a server up and running. There is the option of
> upgrading the control panel to get extra features. Unfortunately the free
> account does not give you the ability to setup SSL, You need to pay $10 a
> month for that - but you can get around that using Cloud Flare.  All that
> you have to do is setup LiveCode once everything is done - and you what is
> a really nice little potent little server.
>
> If interested - I have gone through it in more detail here, I rushed so
> hope I have not left anything out -
> http://activethought.net/perfect-livecode-cloud-server/.
>
> While I have ended up not documenting how to setup an entire server from
> scratch - for most I do think this is a much more convenient and better
> solution.
>
> Simon
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > > On Jun 16, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In many cases you'll find you don't need to change permissions and
> > >> then change them back; you can temporarily raise your own permissions
> > >> with sudo to edit files and leave permissions as originally
> > >> configured.
> > >
> > > True, if using terminal, but I was editing the file with the GUI text
> > > editor. I suppsoe I could have launched the text editor as sudo...
> >
> > True.  But most servers won't have a GUI installed, so it can be well
> > worth the time to get to know Nano.
> >
> > As with a GUI editor, you can launch Nano with sudo:
> >
> >sudo nano somefile.txt
> >
> > You probably won't want to use Nano to write a book, but for quick
> editing
> > of config files it's pretty good, much easier to learn than vim or emacs.
> >
> > If you're on a system that doesn't have Nano installed, on a Debian-based
> > system like yours you can install it with apt-get:
> >
> >   sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nano
> >
> > --
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> >  
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Re: Server Installation

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

It's taken me longer than I had hoped to do this.

I got Livecode server up and running on the Windows 10 using both XAMPP and
WAMP without any trouble. Both WAMP and XAMPP only needed a small change. I
have documented everything here. http://activethought.
net/installing-livecode-windows/  - and work equally well for hosting a
LiveCode server locally.

I started setting up an online Ubuntu server  - but it's been a while since
I have done it and its many many little steps and a lot of work to
document. And I don't think its an ideal solution either - developers need
something reliable that they can get up and running quickly and does not
require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.

So after some research I can across ServerPilot.io - a cloud based control
panel for cloud servers (like Digital Ocean and Vultr). You setup a clean
server - link it to their control panel - and it takes care of everything -
in a minute or two you get a nicely setup server - with control panel,
mysql, apache and PHP.. Their free option gives you the basics - everything
that you need to get a server up and running. There is the option of
upgrading the control panel to get extra features. Unfortunately the free
account does not give you the ability to setup SSL, You need to pay $10 a
month for that - but you can get around that using Cloud Flare.  All that
you have to do is setup LiveCode once everything is done - and you what is
a really nice little potent little server.

If interested - I have gone through it in more detail here, I rushed so
hope I have not left anything out -
http://activethought.net/perfect-livecode-cloud-server/.

While I have ended up not documenting how to setup an entire server from
scratch - for most I do think this is a much more convenient and better
solution.

Simon


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> In many cases you'll find you don't need to change permissions and
> >> then change them back; you can temporarily raise your own permissions
> >> with sudo to edit files and leave permissions as originally
> >> configured.
> >
> > True, if using terminal, but I was editing the file with the GUI text
> > editor. I suppsoe I could have launched the text editor as sudo...
>
> True.  But most servers won't have a GUI installed, so it can be well
> worth the time to get to know Nano.
>
> As with a GUI editor, you can launch Nano with sudo:
>
>sudo nano somefile.txt
>
> You probably won't want to use Nano to write a book, but for quick editing
> of config files it's pretty good, much easier to learn than vim or emacs.
>
> If you're on a system that doesn't have Nano installed, on a Debian-based
> system like yours you can install it with apt-get:
>
>   sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nano
>
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Re: Server Installation

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> In many cases you'll find you don't need to change permissions and
>> then change them back; you can temporarily raise your own permissions
>> with sudo to edit files and leave permissions as originally
>> configured.
>
> True, if using terminal, but I was editing the file with the GUI text
> editor. I suppsoe I could have launched the text editor as sudo...

True.  But most servers won't have a GUI installed, so it can be well 
worth the time to get to know Nano.


As with a GUI editor, you can launch Nano with sudo:

   sudo nano somefile.txt

You probably won't want to use Nano to write a book, but for quick 
editing of config files it's pretty good, much easier to learn than vim 
or emacs.


If you're on a system that doesn't have Nano installed, on a 
Debian-based system like yours you can install it with apt-get:


  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nano

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Re: Server Installation

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Bob,

I keep the latest LC Server version in my Desktop. I also have a LC_SERVER
folder, in which I put the old LC Server as soon as I download a new
version. So, when a new LC Server version is released, I do the following:

1. Download latest LC Server on Desktop
2. Right-click on livecode-server executable and check the "Executable"
permission
3. sudo nano '/etc/apache2/apache2.conf'

4. Change the existing paths to point to the LC Server you downloaded in
step 1


Here are the changes I do to the file: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:


Options FollowSymLinks Multiviews
MultiviewsMatch Any
AllowOverride None
#   Order allow,deny
#   allow from all
Require all granted
AddHandler lcscript .lc
Action lcscript /livecode-cgi/livecode-server



Options ExecCGI
#   Order allow,deny
#   Allow from all
#   Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
Require all granted
#   Options all
#   AllowOverride All
#   Require all granted



ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/
/home/panos/Desktop/LiveCodeServer-9_0_0_dp_7-Linux-x86_64/

5. sudo apache2ctl restart
6. Type in Firefox: localhost/test.lc
7. In case of an error, the error log is in /var/log/apache2/error.log

Note that the "test.lc" file is located in /var/www/html/, and it contains
the following code:

LiveCode Server Test





Best,
Panos
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On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ubuntu on a local server running under ESX1 5.1. I have already installed
> Apache and verified it's running. Mike Bonner has offered some useful
> information on how to enable those things. I will give those a try later.
>
> I wonder if there is a book called, "Setting up Apache2 on a Linux server
> as CGI for a Complete Moron". They would sell at least one copy. :-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds like you're using a VPS or dedicated machine, rather than a
> shared host, yes?
> >
> > I missed which Linux distro you're using.  Has the Apache install there
> already enabled CGI?
>
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Re: Server Installation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Ubuntu on a local server running under ESX1 5.1. I have already installed 
Apache and verified it's running. Mike Bonner has offered some useful 
information on how to enable those things. I will give those a try later. 

I wonder if there is a book called, "Setting up Apache2 on a Linux server as 
CGI for a Complete Moron". They would sell at least one copy. :-)

Bob S


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It sounds like you're using a VPS or dedicated machine, rather than a shared 
> host, yes?
> 
> I missed which Linux distro you're using.  Has the Apache install there 
> already enabled CGI?


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Re: Server Installation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

True, if using terminal, but I was editing the file with the GUI text editor. I 
suppsoe I could have launched the text editor as sudo... 

Bob S


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> In many cases you'll find you don't need to change permissions and then 
> change them back; you can temporarily raise your own permissions with sudo to 
> edit files and leave permissions as originally configured.


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Re: Server Installation

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Simon Smith wrote:

> I think it is worth saying that if you are wanting to host your own
> server online - it is well worth the pain of learning how to setup
> everything yourself.
>
> A control panel or a setup script would be great (my personal
> preference would be a setup script) - you do still need some
> experience to run a server online and trouble shoot any problems
> that can occur. Neglecting even something very small can have
> disastrous results - something I have learnt the hard way when I
> had a VPS hacked a many years ago. Learn the basic Linux commands,
> administer a firewall, use vim or nano to edit files, setup cron
> jobs, restart services, monitor resources, manage user rights,
> setup sftp or ftp, tweak mysql etc. You will be a better developer
> for it.

Good points, well said.

As I'm beginning to learn security forensics, I'm curious:  what was the 
entry point for that hack?  What did you learn from it, what do you do 
differently having experienced that?



> I am in the process of setting up a new Windows PC and still need to
> install a local web server and I also need to setup a new Linux server
> hopefully in the next day or two - I will document everything I do and
> share that - hopefully its of help.

A very generous offer, much appreciated.

For those of you excited at the prospect of managing a server, I found 
The Official Ubuntu Server Book by Kyle Rankin and Benjamin Mako Hill 
very helpful.  The 3rd Edition is coming out in August, but the 2nd 
Edition is quite relevant even now:



The free community documentation for Ubuntu is quite good too.  Here you 
can find the guides for Ubuntu server and desktop, and the server guides 
are available as HTML and PDF for both current LTS (Long-Term Support) 
releases, 14.04 and 16.04:



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Re: Server Installation

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

I think it is worth saying that if you are wanting to host your own server
online - it is well worth the pain of learning how to setup everything
yourself.

A control panel or a setup script would be great (my personal preference
would be a setup script) - you do still need some experience to run a
server online and trouble shoot any problems that can occur. Neglecting
even something very small can have disastrous results - something I have
learnt the hard way when I had a VPS hacked a many years ago. Learn the
basic Linux commands, administer a firewall, use vim or nano to edit files,
setup cron jobs, restart services, monitor resources, manage user rights,
setup sftp or ftp, tweak mysql etc. You will be a better developer for it.

I am in the process of setting up a new Windows PC and still need to
install a local web server and I also need to setup a new Linux server
hopefully in the next day or two - I will document everything I do and
share that - hopefully its of help.

Simon

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Malte wrote:
>
> > Richard wrote:
> >
> >> If someone has time to write a bash script that would be cool, though
> >> perhaps distro- and maybe even version-specific.  With bash you could
> >> download the latest LC Server, unzip it, enable CGI on Apache, alter
> >> the relevant Apache config to use LC Server for ".lc" files, and then
> >> test it to make sure it works.  It would be handy to have.
> >
> > Ok, I want this. Who does it? I am throwing $500 in the pot…
> > Someone also willing to write a .bat for Windows and maybe make the
> > Linux one work on Mac OS also???
>
> I'd do an initial version for that which would handle Ubuntu 14.04 and
> Ubuntu 16.04, under MIT so everyone can extend it for Mac and Windows if
> they need.
>
> Do we want VPS, or should we consider versions for shared hosts?  There
> are subtle differences between shared hosts that can make them more
> challenging, but the upside is they have pro admins hardening and
> monitoring so they're a better option for newcomers to get started.
>
> I could also write a script to harden a VPS, but doing it well requires
> using the script carefully, after setting up shared SSH keys, because I
> prefer to completely turn off password login on any system where I can.
>
>
> > This would save so much time and would make sure people who want to
> > fiddle with liveCode server does not need to go through the hassle of
> > needing to be a system pro. And for those who want to deploy open
> > source projects it would help a lot, as end users could easier install
> > everything themselves without needing to ask for help and without
> > needing to understand the technical underpinning…
>
> There's the rub:  we can automate setting things up, but without an
> understanding of what a server needs to be robust and secure then what
> happens with the LiveCode scripts it enables?
>
> Anything connected to the Internet implies a non-trivial level of
> responsibility.
>
> Enabling all the power of LiveCode to become accessible to the Internet is
> powerful, but automating it almost encourages cargo cult development (<
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming>).
>
> With things that only run on your own local machine, cargo cult errors are
> trivial.  But with a machine connected to the Internet it may make the
> system compromised, perhaps in ways that would be difficult to detect.
>
> We should think carefully about this.
>
> For the amount proposed, I'd write a very good tutorial that would enable
> people to set it up themselves, and understand what each step is doing.
>
> I think over the life cycle of a server, that may be a better investment.
>
> --
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>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
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Re: Server Installation

[Dan Brown via use-livecode]

There's an excellent written & video tutorial by David Bovill on setting up
livecode server on a digital ocean VPS. It's very straightforward & I had
LC server up and running in 5 mins

http://david.bovill.me/ocean.admin.fedwiki.org/livecode-server-on-digitalocean

https://vimeo.com/131920147

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 18/06/2017 7:23 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Malte wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, I want this. Who does it? I am throwing $500 in the pot…
>> > Someone also willing to write a .bat for Windows and maybe make the
>> > Linux one work on Mac OS also???
>>
>> I'd do an initial version for that which would handle Ubuntu 14.04 and
>> Ubuntu 16.04, under MIT so everyone can extend it for Mac and Windows if
>> they need.
>>
>> Do we want VPS, or should we consider versions for shared hosts? There
>> are subtle differences between shared hosts that can make them more
>> challenging, but the upside is they have pro admins hardening and
>> monitoring so they're a better option for newcomers to get started.
>>
>> I could also write a script to harden a VPS, but doing it well requires
>> using the script carefully, after setting up shared SSH keys, because I
>> prefer to completely turn off password login on any system where I can
>>
> In case it may help... you can take a look at a Docker image I wrote that
> builds Livecode server with Apache in a base Ubuntu environment.
>
> Specifically the Dockerfile (which builds the Docker image) is essentially
> just set of bash commands that builds everything that is needed.  The
> Apache config file used for the Docker image is also there.
>
> https://github.com/techstrategies/docker-livecode
>
> For those who know what Docker is (or want to try use it), the Docker
> image is available on hub.docker.com:
>
> https://hub.docker.com/r/techstrategies/livecode/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Charles
>
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Re: Server Installation

[Charles Warwick via use-livecode]

On 18/06/2017 7:23 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

Malte wrote:

> Ok, I want this. Who does it? I am throwing $500 in the pot…
> Someone also willing to write a .bat for Windows and maybe make the
> Linux one work on Mac OS also???

I'd do an initial version for that which would handle Ubuntu 14.04 and 
Ubuntu 16.04, under MIT so everyone can extend it for Mac and Windows 
if they need.


Do we want VPS, or should we consider versions for shared hosts? There 
are subtle differences between shared hosts that can make them more 
challenging, but the upside is they have pro admins hardening and 
monitoring so they're a better option for newcomers to get started.


I could also write a script to harden a VPS, but doing it well 
requires using the script carefully, after setting up shared SSH keys, 
because I prefer to completely turn off password login on any system 
where I can
In case it may help... you can take a look at a Docker image I wrote 
that builds Livecode server with Apache in a base Ubuntu environment.


Specifically the Dockerfile (which builds the Docker image) is 
essentially just set of bash commands that builds everything that is 
needed.  The Apache config file used for the Docker image is also there.


https://github.com/techstrategies/docker-livecode

For those who know what Docker is (or want to try use it), the Docker 
image is available on hub.docker.com:


https://hub.docker.com/r/techstrategies/livecode/

Cheers,

Charles

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Re: Server Installation

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Malte wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>
>> If someone has time to write a bash script that would be cool, though
>> perhaps distro- and maybe even version-specific.  With bash you could
>> download the latest LC Server, unzip it, enable CGI on Apache, alter
>> the relevant Apache config to use LC Server for ".lc" files, and then
>> test it to make sure it works.  It would be handy to have.
>
> Ok, I want this. Who does it? I am throwing $500 in the pot…
> Someone also willing to write a .bat for Windows and maybe make the
> Linux one work on Mac OS also???

I'd do an initial version for that which would handle Ubuntu 14.04 and 
Ubuntu 16.04, under MIT so everyone can extend it for Mac and Windows if 
they need.


Do we want VPS, or should we consider versions for shared hosts?  There 
are subtle differences between shared hosts that can make them more 
challenging, but the upside is they have pro admins hardening and 
monitoring so they're a better option for newcomers to get started.


I could also write a script to harden a VPS, but doing it well requires 
using the script carefully, after setting up shared SSH keys, because I 
prefer to completely turn off password login on any system where I can.



> This would save so much time and would make sure people who want to
> fiddle with liveCode server does not need to go through the hassle of
> needing to be a system pro. And for those who want to deploy open
> source projects it would help a lot, as end users could easier install
> everything themselves without needing to ask for help and without
> needing to understand the technical underpinning…

There's the rub:  we can automate setting things up, but without an 
understanding of what a server needs to be robust and secure then what 
happens with the LiveCode scripts it enables?


Anything connected to the Internet implies a non-trivial level of 
responsibility.


Enabling all the power of LiveCode to become accessible to the Internet 
is powerful, but automating it almost encourages cargo cult development 
().


With things that only run on your own local machine, cargo cult errors 
are trivial.  But with a machine connected to the Internet it may make 
the system compromised, perhaps in ways that would be difficult to detect.


We should think carefully about this.

For the amount proposed, I'd write a very good tutorial that would 
enable people to set it up themselves, and understand what each step is 
doing.


I think over the life cycle of a server, that may be a better investment.

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Re: Server Installation

[Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode]

Richard wrote:

> If someone has time to write a bash script that would be cool, though 
> perhaps distro- and maybe even version-specific.  With bash you could 
> download the latest LC Server, unzip it, enable CGI on Apache, alter the 
> relevant Apache config to use LC Server for ".lc" files, and then test 
> it to make sure it works.  It would be handy to have.

Ok, I want this. Who does it? I am throwing $500 in the pot…
Someone also willing to write a .bat for Windows and maybe make the Linux one 
work on Mac OS also???

This would save so much time and would make sure people who want to fiddle with 
liveCode server does not need to go through the hassle of needing to be a 
system pro. And for those who want to deploy open source projects it would help 
a lot, as end users could easier install everything themselves without needing 
to ask for help and without needing to understand the technical underpinning…

Cheers,

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Re: Server Installation

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

Not sure i'm on the exact same version and setup of apache, but on a
droplet I just set up, these are the steps I took to get it working.

First I enabled actions
a2enmod actions

you need to do this as root, or have sudo privelages, with sudo it would be
sudo a2enmod actions
Also enable cgi..
sudo a2enmod cgi

Then you need to edit a couple files.

The files in question for me are in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
edit the actions.conf file and add a line..
Action lc-script /cgi-bin/lcserver  where lc server is the full name of the
lc server executable

Then edit mime.conf and add a line..  If you search for AddHandler in the
file you can locate the correct area.
AddHandler lc-script .lc
and save the file

Download and unzip the lcserver stuff into the cgi-bin folder.  For me it
is located at /usr/lib/cgi-bin
I put the executable and folders in the toplevel there to match the actions
line above.
Then I made the executable.. um.. executable with chmod 755 lcserver
(again, whatever name you have for the version you grabbed. )
 Then i added a test file.  In my case the main html directory is in
/var/www/html
I created a file test.lc with code that just puts a random number out.

At this point, restart the service.
sudo service apache2 reload

Hopefully your setup is similar enough that this will get you going.


On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks that will be helpful. I'm trying to get to the point where I can
> use the database library that encrypts traffic to and from a mySQL server
> via a web page. Seems like it ought to be a fairly simple thing to do, but
> looks can be deceiving.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 15:38 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It should be something on the Apache config. On Monday I will look at the
> > config we have at the office Linux machine that runs LC server and let
> you
> > know if you are still interested.
> >
> > Panos
>
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Re: Server Installation

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> 
> When I read all the crap that has to be done just to get Apache to the
> point where you can ever run Livecode Server, I remember why I avoid
> Linux like West Africa during the Ebola outbreak. Even with a GUI,
> Linux is decidedly unfriendly, requiring I set permissions to every
> folder and file I touch for starters.

If the system is only used as a server, a GUI will just eat up 
resources. And as you've found, it doesn't provide much that's useful to 
a server, since few servers install a GUI.


There's a general spectrum between usability and security:  the most 
secure systems are often the hardest to use, and the easiest systems to 
use are often easy for hackers too.


I used to hate setting up Apache for the same reasons you noted, but I 
found that on any UNIX-based system the file permissions are very 
powerful and worth learning.  You'll find them on OS X as well, except 
trying to set up Apache on OS X requires editing one more file than most 
Linux servers require.  In many cases you'll find you don't need to 
change permissions and then change them back; you can temporarily raise 
your own permissions with sudo to edit files and leave permissions as 
originally configured.


Many good Linux distros ship with no open ports and strict permissions. 
This is ultimately a good thing, reducing the potential attack surface 
as small as practical.


The good news is that it leaves you in control of what's reachable, and 
by whom.  The bad news is that you're responsible for setting up what's 
reachable and by whom.


It sounds like you're using a VPS or dedicated machine, rather than a 
shared host, yes?


I missed which Linux distro you're using.  Has the Apache install there 
already enabled CGI?


Apache's docs on that may help:


If you're using Ubuntu this distro-specific tutorial may be easier to 
follow:




> Then the torrent of terminal commands any one of which I might type
> wrong

I started learning bash on OS X, since at the time I was more familiar 
with it. I found that very helpful when I later needed to spend more 
time managing my Linux VPSes.



> or something else needs to happen first because the writer of
> the article wasn't working with the partticular flavor or version of
> Linux or Apache... MY GOD!

Most aspects of setting up Apache are common to all UNIX-based systems, 
but now and then you'll find differences between OS X and Linux, or 
between one Linux distro and another.


One of the benefits of choosing a popular distro is the scope of 
tutorials for it.  If you can tell us which distro and version you're 
using I may be able to find a good one.



> Can I just get a fricking installer??? No, no I can't. Because it's
> Linux.

Au contraire, mon ami.  While Linux offers the flexibility to install 
packages individually, you can also have all the LAMP stuff installed in 
one line with TaskSel.  And there are other options, including a vast 
world of provisioning tools for the platform, which is one of the 
reasons Linux has taken over most of the server universe.  No one at AWS 
or Dreamhost or other large facility is hand-editing config files. 
Everything is automatable.


The challenge is that most LAMP installation options assume you want 
LAMP, where the "P" is for "PHP".  We'll need to grow the LiveCode 
platform to see more installation options for LAML.


If someone has time to write a bash script that would be cool, though 
perhaps distro- and maybe even version-specific.  With bash you could 
download the latest LC Server, unzip it, enable CGI on Apache, alter the 
relevant Apache config to use LC Server for ".lc" files, and then test 
it to make sure it works.  It would be handy to have.


Perhaps better might be a more generalized tool like Ansible, which can 
be helpful for deploying services on a server in one line.  I'm sure 
there are Ansible playbooks for enabling CGI; I don't know of a playbook 
for setting up LC Server, but it would be a nice community project.


And containers like Docker are all the rage, both for easy of deployment 
and for containment.  If you're using Docker there's a Docker container 
for LiveCode here:



> 


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[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Thanks that will be helpful. I'm trying to get to the point where I can use the 
database library that encrypts traffic to and from a mySQL server via a web 
page. Seems like it ought to be a fairly simple thing to do, but looks can be 
deceiving. 

Bob S


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 15:38 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It should be something on the Apache config. On Monday I will look at the
> config we have at the office Linux machine that runs LC server and let you
> know if you are still interested.
> 
> Panos


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Re: Server Installation

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

It should be something on the Apache config. On Monday I will look at the
config we have at the office Linux machine that runs LC server and let you
know if you are still interested.

Panos



On 16 Jun 2017 23:29, "Bob Sneidar via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Okay all thank you for your help. I am giving up.
>
> 
> When I read all the crap that has to be done just to get Apache to the
> point where you can ever run Livecode Server, I remember why I avoid Linux
> like West Africa during the Ebola outbreak. Even with a GUI, Linux is
> decidedly unfriendly, requiring I set permissions to every folder and file
> I touch for starters. Then the torrent of terminal commands any one of
> which I might type wrong, or something else needs to happen first because
> the writer of the article wasn't working with the partticular flavor or
> version of Linux or Apache... MY GOD! Can I just get a fricking
> installer??? No, no I can't. Because it's Linux.
> 
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
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Re: Server Installation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Okay all thank you for your help. I am giving up. 


When I read all the crap that has to be done just to get Apache to the point 
where you can ever run Livecode Server, I remember why I avoid Linux like West 
Africa during the Ebola outbreak. Even with a GUI, Linux is decidedly 
unfriendly, requiring I set permissions to every folder and file I touch for 
starters. Then the torrent of terminal commands any one of which I might type 
wrong, or something else needs to happen first because the writer of the 
article wasn't working with the partticular flavor or version of Linux or 
Apache... MY GOD! Can I just get a fricking installer??? No, no I can't. 
Because it's Linux. 


Bob S



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Re: Server Installation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Stephen was kind enough to provide me with a newer document, but as I 
mentioned, following the document to the letter will not get you to the point 
where it works. I will try the forum. I'm afraid I am going to be a real pain 
in the arse at first because I know almost nothing about Linux. I have to say 
though, my first impressions are that you have to already know about the things 
you are trying to leard for the first time in order to get along. Kind of like 
bootstrap code on a computer. 

Bob S


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 15:16 , panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> The lesson might be a bit outdated, and there differences between the
> various Linux systems. Did you have a look at the LC Server forum? It has a
> lot of useful info:
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=15
> 
> Panos


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Re: Server Installation

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Robert,

The lesson might be a bit outdated, and there differences between the
various Linux systems. Did you have a look at the LC Server forum? It has a
lot of useful info:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=15

Panos
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On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yeah, not so much. There is a section which talks about modules being
> installed, and a link which takes me to the Apache.org docs, which by the
> way says version 2.0 is no longer maintained, and for example the first
> module mod_cgi tells me what the module does, but gives me no way to
> install/enable it. Also, I followed the instructions for modifying the
> Apache2.conf file (I have been jacking my permissions to 777 all over the
> place just so I could do ANY of this) and now Apache2 will not start. It
> says there is an error on line 176 (the text editor does not number lines)
> but I figured out which one it is. It's the one that says Action
> livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server. I checked, it's right, which
> leads me to believe that it's because those modules are not enabled.
>
> If anyone's eyes are bleeding to read this, imagine my pain. All I want is
> a document telling me how to get Livecode Server up and running on Linux. I
> mean a document that works. That has everything I need. Otherwise, Livecode
> Server is a complete bust if attempting to install it locally, unless you
> are already an Apache Guru.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 14:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks this is what I need. :-)
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 16, 2017, at 14:06 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Try this, Bob. The docs-web-db have all been re-done.
> >>
> >> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/36652-how-do-i-install-
> livecode-server-on-linux-with-apache
> >>
> >> --
> >> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> >> mixstream.org
> >>
> >
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Re: Server Installation

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Yeah, not so much. There is a section which talks about modules being 
installed, and a link which takes me to the Apache.org docs, which by the way 
says version 2.0 is no longer maintained, and for example the first module 
mod_cgi tells me what the module does, but gives me no way to install/enable 
it. Also, I followed the instructions for modifying the Apache2.conf file (I 
have been jacking my permissions to 777 all over the place just so I could do 
ANY of this) and now Apache2 will not start. It says there is an error on line 
176 (the text editor does not number lines) but I figured out which one it is. 
It's the one that says Action livecode-script /livecode-cgi/livecode-server. I 
checked, it's right, which leads me to believe that it's because those modules 
are not enabled. 

If anyone's eyes are bleeding to read this, imagine my pain. All I want is a 
document telling me how to get Livecode Server up and running on Linux. I mean 
a document that works. That has everything I need. Otherwise, Livecode Server 
is a complete bust if attempting to install it locally, unless you are already 
an Apache Guru. 

Bob S


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 14:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks this is what I need. :-)
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 14:06 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Try this, Bob. The docs-web-db have all been re-done.
>> 
>> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/36652-how-do-i-install-livecode-server-on-linux-with-apache
>> 
>> --
>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>> mixstream.org
>> 
> 
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Re: Server Installation

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Thanks this is what I need. :-)

Bob S


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 14:06 , Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try this, Bob. The docs-web-db have all been re-done.
> 
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/36652-how-do-i-install-livecode-server-on-linux-with-apache
> 
> --
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> mixstream.org
> 


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Re: Server Installation

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If you want to hook it up the other way, let me know.

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On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Stephen Barncard 
wrote:

> Try this, Bob. The docs-web-db have all been re-done.
>
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/36652-how-do-i-install-
> livecode-server-on-linux-with-apache
>
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I am at http://lessons.livecode.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/809/lesso
>> ns/36652-How-do-I-install-LiveCode-Server-on-Linux-with-Apache-. I get
>> Page not found.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 13:57 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Livecode Server 8.1.4 contains a PDF called
>> LiveCodeNotes-8_1_4-server.pdf. Turns out it is NOT the PDF for server,
>> but rather for the IDE. I am trying to get LC Server running under Linux.
>> I've installed Apache2 (I think) and now am at an impasse.
>> >
>> > Bob S
>>
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Re: Server Installation

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

Try this, Bob. The docs-web-db have all been re-done.

http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4070/l/36652-how-do-i-install-livecode-server-on-linux-with-apache

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On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am at http://lessons.livecode.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/809/
> lessons/36652-How-do-I-install-LiveCode-Server-on-Linux-with-Apache-. I
> get Page not found.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 13:57 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The Livecode Server 8.1.4 contains a PDF called
> LiveCodeNotes-8_1_4-server.pdf. Turns out it is NOT the PDF for server,
> but rather for the IDE. I am trying to get LC Server running under Linux.
> I've installed Apache2 (I think) and now am at an impasse.
> >
> > Bob S
>
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Re: Server Installation

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I am at 
http://lessons.livecode.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/809/lessons/36652-How-do-I-install-LiveCode-Server-on-Linux-with-Apache-.
 I get Page not found. 

Bob S


> On Jun 16, 2017, at 13:57 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Livecode Server 8.1.4 contains a PDF called 
> LiveCodeNotes-8_1_4-server.pdf. Turns out it is NOT the PDF for server, but 
> rather for the IDE. I am trying to get LC Server running under Linux. I've 
> installed Apache2 (I think) and now am at an impasse. 
> 
> Bob S


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