Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
List-users who are NOT interested in my Social Commentary, but are interested in what my Summer Kids did with RR/LC should scroll down to this mark: Right, Alejandro, you asked for it . . . :) Richmond wrote: [snip] Certainly in Britain (and here in Bulgaria) the end result of years of pseudo-socialist thinking has resulted in a feeling that the state must provide: all parents have to do is produce children and after that provide food and bed, and everything else will be provided from the cradle to the grave by the nanny state: what happens is one gets a race of slack-jawed passive observers instead of the actively engaged, thinking individuals one needs in a healthy society. Mummy and Daddy should NOT provide little Twinkle-toes with a computer hooked up to the internet so s/he can go blotto on online games and associated crap. Mummy and Daddy should provide a computer stuffed with stuff to stretch little Twinkle-toes' mind; and that means programming environments. But as 90% of parents are f*ckwits, and the state likes that because those sort of 'people' (are they fully human?) can be manipulated by the state; that doesn't happen. Richmond, you are describing a society of living dead. To be honest with you, a cruise round the housing estates of St Andrews (Scotland) and the tower blocks of Plovdiv (Bulgaria) all I can see are living dead. Any children who show signs of being capable of rising above that will be quickly suppressed by the education system, parental stupidity, or the endless pap of TV and computer games. I remember part of my Master's degree from the University of Abertay (the only bit worth anything) involved my trialling my Agent-led Software generation system (completely authored in RR/LC) at the Primary School in St Andrews (Greyfriars RC). The teachers loved it as they were sick-to-death of teaching 7/8/9/10 year olds how to write Dear Mummy and Daddy letters in WORD, and endless PAINT programs. However the headmistress (a very sharp Irish lady) told me that I had about as much hope getting funding to continue development from the local council (Fife) as a bar of gold falling on my head out of a tree. She said that the unpleasant truth was that education was always pitched at the lowest common denominator in the state sector. Ringing up a friend who taught in a private school I was told that the pressure to take standardised exams was such that teachers would have no time to use anything (let alone a fully automated software development system) that moved outside the rigid confines imposed by the exams. [My father took early retirement for the simple reason that he was sick to death of teaching kids to pass exams instead of teaching them the subject.] Britain, particularly, hates success and thrives on a culture of mediocrity. What I liked a lot about the United States when I stayed there was that success was admired and there were not so many things to stand in your way as there are in Britain. In Bulgaria, you are dead on the ground, unless you are a big business interest in bed with a government that encourages business monopolies. - This reminds me of 2 statements that are both true: Why are most people in Scotland so witless? Because those who have any 'get-up-and-go' have got up and gone. However, to be fair that probably refers to Scotland prior about 1990. Have you noticed that the only Arabs that have contributed to society in the last 100 years are ones who have NOT lived in Arabic countries. Needless to say, Bulgarians who have contributed ALL live overseas. In the world where we are living too many people do not understand that the state of wealth in which they live is a consecuence of specific actions and attitudes from previous and actual generations... not a natural event, That may be because History is taught as a series of mind-numbing dates (do you know when the Byzantine emperor had constipation?) of Kings and Queens and Wars. What might be better is a curriculum that demonstrated how ALL we have now is built on the work of previous generations. Bulgarian children are told the first computer was built by John Atanasov (a Bulgarian born in America to Bulgarian parents); which is palpably NOT true. Arguably the second computer was built by Charles Babbage (and programmed by Ada Lovelace), the first by some Graeco-phoenician some 2,500 years ago. And where are Turing and so forth? While Atanasov may have co-authored the first software reprogrammable computer, that is not the same thing at all as what is claimed for him here in Bulgarian schools. In context his achievement can be seen for what it is, rather than some impossibility. pace Isaac Newton. like rain, wind or sun or an entitlement or birth right. A city just have to run out of water, energy or jobs, to awake their habitants of their pleasant state. At which point 90% of people will sit around
Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
Huh?? Bob On Jul 21, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: Oh, bob slylabs is posting again? What a pity. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
Hi Richmmond, Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote Mummy and Daddy should NOT provide little Twinkle-toes with a computer hooked up to the internet so s/he can go blotto on online games and associated crap. That particular phrase brings me memories of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erun7qmpXds Amazing... How much passion devoted to a single endevour... Don't you think??? :-| Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote I remember part of my Master's degree from the University of Abertay (the only bit worth anything) involved my trialling my Agent-led Software generation system (completely authored in RR/LC) at the Primary School in St Andrews (Greyfriars RC). The teachers loved it as they were sick-to-death of teaching 7/8/9/10 year olds how to write Dear Mummy and Daddy letters in WORD, and endless PAINT programs. However the headmistress (a very sharp Irish lady) told me that I had about as much hope getting funding to continue development from the local council (Fife) as a bar of gold falling on my head out of a tree. She said that the unpleasant truth was that education was always pitched at the lowest common denominator in the state sector. Yes, I have a very similar experience. Actually, it's a lot worse if you have any kind of success, because your effort is not only ignored, but dismissed as non-important... Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote Britain, particularly, hates success and thrives on a culture of mediocrity. What I liked a lot about the United States when I stayed there was that success was admired and there were not so many things to stand in your way as there are in Britain. In Bulgaria, you are dead on the ground, unless you are a big business interest in bed with a government that encourages business monopolies. I just keep wondering how far is USA going in worshiping successful people who get their way at any cost. In the country where I live, if you are going to work for the goverment, there are only two ways in which you could receive a full payment for your work: 1) Bribe a goverment worker or have him as partner 2) Have a foreign partner who ask their Embassy to press the goverment to fulfill their payments. Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote [snip] Bulgarian children are told the first computer was built by John Atanasov (a Bulgarian born in America to Bulgarian parents); which is palpably NOT true. Arguably the second computer was built by Charles Babbage (and programmed by Ada Lovelace), the first by some Graeco-phoenician some 2,500 years ago. And where are Turing and so forth? While Atanasov may have co-authored the first software reprogrammable computer, that is not the same thing at all as what is claimed for him here in Bulgarian schools. In context his achievement can be seen for what it is, rather than some impossibility. Richmmond, everyone needs a hero. No big harm in that. History if full of these kinds of divergent points of views... http://listverse.com/2009/04/10/top-10-wrongly-attributed-inventions/ But it's a fact that special geniuses only appears in the correct enviroment. In most societies, they are already Dead on Arrival... Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote All of these young people worked with Runtime Revolution 2.2.1 (a FREE version offered by NOVELL via a chap called 'Stompfi' for Linux), and have computers running Linux either as the sole OS or on a partition at home. Wow! Runtime Revolution 2.2.1 from NOVELL tutorials... I have almost forgotten about this version of Livecode. According to your descriptions, you have a really sharp eye about the qualities of your students. Don't you think that they could benefit of a different learning strategy suited to their particular learning style?... Instead of applying the same didactical method for all of them? Applying the same didactical method for all of the students is, in my humble opinion, one of the greatest failures of modern education. Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote 4. (23 year old man/boy) Now authoring stuff for my language school; have a meeting set up for the last week of August to see if I like what I see and am ready to pay him for the work. He has also worked his way through the code of about 90% of my EFL standalones. I have given him a list of criteria as well as copies of the textbooks I use with guidelines on the topic areas that I feel I have not provided adequate coverage on. As this fellow has a degree in tourism from a shitty college here in Bulgaria that is worth next to nothing, but has enrolled to do an MA in Applied Linguistics at the one semi-decent University here in Plovdiv, he is extremely happy that he has found a skill that is sellable, and is now putting his nose to the grindstone like nobody's business; I have suggested that IF his programs for the summer are worth having I will find a way to buy him some sort of LC licence so he can produce standalones for Windows as well as Linux.
Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
I have two issues with that statement: Worshipping and at any cost. Excuse me, that is a mouthful. Can you cite some examples of the USA (whatever that means specifically) worshipping as in raising up to the level of God, successful people (I need names please) at any cost. If you are going to level accusations in this forum my lad, you had best be prepared to back them up with verifiable fact. Bob On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: I just keep wondering how far is USA going in worshiping successful people who get their way at any cost. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Bob, I sent a private message to you about your comment. If you want to contribute to this particular offtopic and intriging subject, send a private message to me or Bob. Thanks in advance! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652691.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Thanks for taking it off-list! .Jerry On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi Bob, I sent a private message to you about your comment. If you want to contribute to this particular offtopic and intriging subject, send a private message to me or Bob. Thanks in advance! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652691.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
snip I will use this occasion to beg for something of the order of RunRev 2.0.1 for Mac, Win and Linux to be released for FREE; possibly with a fair few of the capabilities removed. Just remember that this kind of gift is not free for RunRev, because associated cost with supporting a free version supporting . . . nonsense . . . they could release an early version with some suitable sort of disclaimer: This version of RR/LC is released as a Free community offering with no guarantees or support whatsoever - 'you're on your own buddy' . This would have no associated cost whatsoever, unless we suppose that by releasing said version that would negatively impinge on sales of the latest recension of Livecode. could go a lot higher that paid versions. But, I agree with you that a free, but limited version could be useful to attract new educators and their students. Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Richmmond, I had to disagree. There is no point in releasing an old version without support. This could be, even damaging to company reputation. Software live or die depending of the quality of support that their developers offers. For example Xara, the Graphic company, used to sell previous versions at a really low cost. Less features, but better than most graphic software anyway. But They sell it, not give it away. I want to be wrong about releasing free software without support... Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652694.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/23/2012 09:26 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I have two issues with that statement: Worshipping and at any cost. Excuse me, that is a mouthful. Can you cite some examples of the USA (whatever that means specifically) worshipping as in raising up to the level of God, successful people (I need names please) at any cost. If you are going to level accusations in this forum my lad, you had best be prepared to back them up with verifiable fact. Bob On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: I just keep wondering how far is USA going in worshiping successful people who get their way at any cost. That is a load of old codswallop; the vast majority of people in the USA have a fairly high and consistent level of ethics. Of course there are people who have 'succeeded' by dubious means; that does not detract from all those hard-working people who have succeeded quite honestly. You should try to avoid blanket statements. The USA does 'worship' success (and what is wrong with that??? nothing as far as I can tell), but NOT at any cost. However I have qualified 'worship' with single quotes so we can all see I mean that in a sort of metaphorical way, and not in a Bull-of-Bashan sort of way. What is also the case, is that in Britain (and elsewhere) success is (generally) squashed, regulated into a corner by the state, and discouraged. I would argue that British education aims at a mediocre conformity that results in a quite different outlook on success to that in the United States. The other day, driving back from Germany, my wife (who is neither British nor American) asked me this: How come, considering Germany was shot to blazes by 2 world wars in the 20th century, is it so rich and pleasant compared with shabby, down-at-heel Britain? And my answer largely consisted of 2 words: national mentality. And while I'm here, I should point out that the USA has always struck me as a 'Germanic' nation that happens to speak English. The English version of North America (the CSA) fought against the Germanic version (the USA) and lost. British people should always be grateful for 2 things that saved them from becoming a Nazi satellite: 1. The good people of the USA do speak English, and 2. Winston Churchill was half American. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
On 07/23/2012 09:57 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi Bob, I sent a private message to you about your comment. If you want to contribute to this particular offtopic and intriging subject, send a private message to me or Bob. Thanks in advance! Too late my love, you have let the cat out of the bag in a public space. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652691.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
On 07/23/2012 10:19 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Richmmond, I had to disagree. There is no point in releasing an old version without support. This could be, even damaging to company reputation. Software live or die depending of the quality of support that their developers offers. For example Xara, the Graphic company, used to sell previous versions at a really low cost. Less features, but better than most graphic software anyway. But They sell it, not give it away. Xara gives a way a FREE version of their graphic program for Linux. Oddly enough the person who alerted me to this fact was Alejandro Tejada. http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ Hoisted by your own petard me old mucker. I want to be wrong about releasing free software without support... Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652694.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Ah... Linux. That version got stalled after developers from that platform stopped contributing to the development of that Linux version. Did you see what happens to a software without support from their developers... Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652698.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/23/2012 10:33 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Ah... Linux. That version got stalled after developers from that platform stopped contributing to the development of that Linux version. Did you see what happens to a software without support from their developers... Personally I don't see this as a vast problem. Although I own later versions of RR/LC for Linux, for my educational purposes at least (let's not get onto the eternal Devawriter) the FREE 2.1.1 for Linux has served my purposes 100% for 7 years entirely WITHOUT support. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652698.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Richmmond, Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote Personally I don't see this as a vast problem. Although I own later versions of RR/LC for Linux, for my educational purposes at least (let's not get onto the eternal Devawriter) the FREE 2.1.1 for Linux has served my purposes 100% for 7 years entirely WITHOUT support. There is only ONE like you. (This is a compliment) :-D Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652701.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Well, after thinking a while about how could be distributed a free version of LiveCode without harming the current releases, I concluded this: A free (an limited) version of Livecode could be distributed as part of a bundle with a book for teaching elemental programming techniques. Support could be restricted to the book exercises and additional intermediate and advanced tasks for brighter students. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652702.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 07/20/2012 03:25 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: It's my personal opinion that we ought to be making a much bigger effort to improve education across the board, and no, more money does not accomplish that goal. Im going to dodge the political bullets I hear a buzzing in the air, Bob ;-) For any education to be at its best, you need to have kids coming from healthy, intellectually nurturing homes and neighborhoods, and a pipeline of communication. That's a much more complicated question, but solve that and the other stuff becomes much easier and cheaper. Well said. Certainly in Britain (and here in Bulgaria) the end result of years of pseudo-socialist thinking has resulted in a feeling that the state must provide: all parents have to do is produce children and after that provide food and bed, and everything else will be provided from the cradle to the grave by the nanny state: what happens is one gets a race of slack-jawed passive observers instead of the actively engaged, thinking individuals one needs in a healthy society. Mummy and Daddy should NOT provide little Twinkle-toes with a computer hooked up to the internet so s/he can go blotto on online games and associated crap. Mummy and Daddy should provide a computer stuffed with stuff to stretch little Twinkle-toes' mind; and that means programming environments. But as 90% of parents are f*ckwits, and the state likes that because those sort of 'people' (are they fully human?) can be manipulated by the state; that doesn't happen. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future
Richmmond wrote: Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote [snip] Certainly in Britain (and here in Bulgaria) the end result of years of pseudo-socialist thinking has resulted in a feeling that the state must provide: all parents have to do is produce children and after that provide food and bed, and everything else will be provided from the cradle to the grave by the nanny state: what happens is one gets a race of slack-jawed passive observers instead of the actively engaged, thinking individuals one needs in a healthy society. Mummy and Daddy should NOT provide little Twinkle-toes with a computer hooked up to the internet so s/he can go blotto on online games and associated crap. Mummy and Daddy should provide a computer stuffed with stuff to stretch little Twinkle-toes' mind; and that means programming environments. But as 90% of parents are f*ckwits, and the state likes that because those sort of 'people' (are they fully human?) can be manipulated by the state; that doesn't happen. Richmmond, you are describing a society of living dead. In the world where we are living too many people do not understand that the state of wealth in which they live is a consecuence of specific actions and attitudes from previous and actual generations... not a natural event, like rain, wind or sun or an entitlement or birth right. A city just have to run out of water, energy or jobs, to awake their habitants of their pleasant state. Returning to the title of this thread: How did goes your classes to teach LiveCode to a group of your English students??? Did they concluded with sucess? Any chance to read a detailed account of their learning process??? Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652647.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Le 19 juil. 2012 à 20:23, Bob Sneidar a écrit : I think the real key to making LC insanely profitable for RR is for us, the developers, to produce really good commercial apps on a regular basis using LC, and proudly display on our splash screens: Made With Livecode! -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Probably a true worldwide diagnostic, especially applicable in France too... Le 19 juil. 2012 à 22:07, Bob Sneidar a écrit : It's my personal opinion that we ought to be making a much bigger effort to improve education across the board, and no, more money does not accomplish that goal. California has one of the highest per capita budgets for education, and yet one of the worst records. If spending more money fixed things, California would be a glowing model of socialist success! If we teach our children how to analyze problems and formulate solutions, we will be in a much better place to teach them all things. Our kids need not only job skills, but a sound work ethic, and our policies are what teach them exactly the opposite. I think the current system is broken in California, and in most states, and standing in the way are public unions who are in bed with the politicians, so we cannot get rid of the incompetent administrators and policy makers. Ever. Until we get rid of the public unions. Nothing is going to change until the incompetent are replaced with the competent. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It's not just that many people who develop for mobile have already settled on their tools, e.g. Java, Objective-C or in some cases the Lua based platforms. Which means for pure ease of use they prefer to stay where they are even if overall they may save time/money by switching to RR. While you can use the code once argument with LC that is not always enough as some are reluctant to use a tool they have not heard much about. This is also in part related to the lack of books problem highlighted elsewhere. There are also many other technical arguments which may or may not be disputed such as High level languages drain the battery more quickly - one which I heard recently. We chose LC because of the nature of our team which is a mix of CS and non-CS people and the ability to rapidly prototype GUI's on all platforms. If you have a team with a large mix of people then using a higher-level almost self documenting programming language has a number of advantages. However, these advantages may not apply to those who have grown up on Java or C++ and do not really want to learn anything else. Cheers, rod On 21 July 2012 12:01, Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com wrote: Probably a true worldwide diagnostic, especially applicable in France too... Le 19 juil. 2012 à 22:07, Bob Sneidar a écrit : It's my personal opinion that we ought to be making a much bigger effort to improve education across the board, and no, more money does not accomplish that goal. California has one of the highest per capita budgets for education, and yet one of the worst records. If spending more money fixed things, California would be a glowing model of socialist success! If we teach our children how to analyze problems and formulate solutions, we will be in a much better place to teach them all things. Our kids need not only job skills, but a sound work ethic, and our policies are what teach them exactly the opposite. I think the current system is broken in California, and in most states, and standing in the way are public unions who are in bed with the politicians, so we cannot get rid of the incompetent administrators and policy makers. Ever. Until we get rid of the public unions. Nothing is going to change until the incompetent are replaced with the competent. -- Pierre Sahores mobile : 06 03 95 77 70 www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Dr Rod McCall Researcher in in-car, mixed reality technology and gaming Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust University of Luxembourg Blog: www.rodmc.com twitter:rodlux Publications and Information available on my blog ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Oh, bob slylabs is posting again? What a pity. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652561.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Oh Lynn... With these words, you deflated the argument that I was about to write: Lynn Fredricks-2 wrote For any education to be at its best, you need to have kids coming from healthy, intellectually nurturing homes and neighborhoods, and a pipeline of communication. That's a much more complicated question, but solve that and the other stuff becomes much easier and cheaper. But anyway, here it goes: Because the school's environment actually have a definite and stellar influence in the student's learning... I was ready to suggest: Invite the best and brightest students from all the world for one month of advanced classes. In this month, students from USA could watch and learn from the study habits of their peers in other parts of the world. According to Lynn's comments, this exemplary experience would not help much unless USA students have supportive and loving parents. Well... hope was the last one to leave the Pandora Box, in which our whole world has become. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652581.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It also reminds me of the great class sizes debate which raged in Britain for years. I forget the exact numbers but essentially simply having smaller class sizes does not always improve attainment i.e. there is a point that was optimal, beyond that the improvement in the students was minimal if at all. Yet the politicians kept pledging smaller and smaller class sizes. One thing I do remember though is that my computing class consisted myself and one other student while this resulted in a much better atmosphere, I am not sure if it improved our grades. Cheers, rod On 20 July 2012 02:25, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: It's my personal opinion that we ought to be making a much bigger effort to improve education across the board, and no, more money does not accomplish that goal. Im going to dodge the political bullets I hear a buzzing in the air, Bob ;-) For any education to be at its best, you need to have kids coming from healthy, intellectually nurturing homes and neighborhoods, and a pipeline of communication. That's a much more complicated question, but solve that and the other stuff becomes much easier and cheaper. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Dr Rod McCall Researcher in in-car, mixed reality technology and gaming Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust University of Luxembourg Blog: www.rodmc.com twitter:rodlux Publications and Information available on my blog ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: If you haven't been to the runrev.com site lately, they have a whole section on EDU, split into K-12 and higher ed: http://www.runrev.com/education/index.html That is a section on school. Homeschooled kids and self-motivated kids take other options. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Peter Alcibiades wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/code-club-afterschool-group-teaches-children-how-to-become-programming-whizz-kids-7956967.html Scratch != LiveCode Or, translated into LiveCode: Scratch LiveCode In that translation we see one of many reasons why LiveCode is great for rapid development of cross-platform GUI apps, but in some ways not the ideal learning tool: it works very differently from most of the popular languages, so while it can be helpful to learn algorithms and some aspects of structure and style, the more you use it the more you'll pick up habits that aren't transferable to other languages. But more relevant to that article is the nature of Scratch itself, how it was designed specifically to deal with the very different cognitive process children use relative to adults, a progression Piaget called genetic epistemology. A purely visual language, Scratch can be used by younger audiences that would have a hard time memorizing hundreds of commands and functions. If you haven't used Scratch it's an interesting beast, well worth the exploration. Scratch is also free, both as in beer and as in freedom, so it's infinitely cheaper than using LiveCode, a key factor with today's school budgets. I would love to see a compelling business case for a free LiveCode product; as a consultant nothing would benefit me more. But after trying it for several years RunRev was unable to make it work, and even the collective wisdom of this community has been unable to come up with a solution. As a business owner myself, I recognize the fundamental necessity of positive ROI: any project that can't pay for itself will become inviable. In the absence of any plan which would make RunRev's funding such a free product profitable, or even just break-even, the company now offers only paid products. All that said, it's worth noting that even with only paid products and only products that require scripting, the company continues to make considerable progress in education - a very few examples, pulled from recent entries in the company blog: LiveCode Teacher Training Day in Edinburgh http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/livecode-teacher-training-day-in-edinburgh- LiveCode Created App is no. 1 Hottest Educational App on iTunes http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/livecode-created-app-is-no-1-hottest-educational-app-on-itunes- How to teach programming to students today http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/how-to-teach-programming-to-students-today Students around Edinburgh Ready to Dive into Programming with LiveCode http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/students-around-edinburgh-ready-to-dive-into-programming-with-livecode Join Us at The Education Show http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/join-us-at-the-education-show LiveCode in The Times Educational Supplement http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/livecode-in-the-times-educational-supplement For a company that pays its bills selling software, that's pretty good progress. Other companies can make money from other revenue streams, which may help them justify costs for such things. Given relative resources available to the respective companies, perhaps the better title for this thread would have been: Why killing HyperCard was killing an investment in the future -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It would have been nice if they could have bundled it with the Mac OS the way Hypercard was, only with certain limitations that would prevent it from being used for any serious business app creation. No standalones, no mobile apps, sqLite support only, things like that. Bob On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I would love to see a compelling business case for a free LiveCode product; as a consultant nothing would benefit me more. But after trying it for several years RunRev was unable to make it work, and even the collective wisdom of this community has been unable to come up with a solution. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Scratch is awesome! My 10 year old son has been programming in Scratch for 3 or 4 years now. He understands variables, loops, if then logic flow, message passing, math algorithms, sub-routine functions, a whole range of programming concepts. When he has a question that is easily solved with a small program, he turns to Scratch. That said, it is not designed to create standalone apps. It's not a replacement for something like LiveCode. But as a first programming language, it is amazingly good. Kee Nethery On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:19 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/code-club-afterschool-group-teaches-children-how-to-become-programming-whizz-kids-7956967.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 7/19/12 9:25 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: All that said, it's worth noting that even with only paid products and only products that require scripting, the company continues to make considerable progress in education RR also offers very attractive educational discounts for schools. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-first@... writes: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/code-club-afterschool-group-teaches-children-how-to-become-programming-whizz-kids-7956967.html The video is hilarious. ...and do notice the final paragraph of the article: And what happens beyond Code Club? Hopefully after two years with Code Club, Sandvik continues, they'd be inspired to strike out on their own and explore languages like JavaScript. ...well, we started out with Scratch and now we're off to javascript... and LiveCode is off on the sidelines, wondering why nobody's paying attention. Sigh. Coulda been a contender. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Mark Wieder wrote: ...and do notice the final paragraph of the article: And what happens beyond Code Club? Hopefully after two years with Code Club, Sandvik continues, they'd be inspired to strike out on their own and explore languages like JavaScript. ...well, we started out with Scratch and now we're off to javascript... and LiveCode is off on the sidelines, wondering why nobody's paying attention. Sigh. Coulda been a contender. I dunno. I loves me some LiveCode, but I gotta admit that when it comes to marketable skills it's hard to beat JavaScript. There are quite possibly more people around the world programming in JavaScript right now in the time it takes me to write this than the sum of all xTalkers ever. No proprietary language, no matter how good, will ever match that. The only way LiveCode could become such a de facto standard would be for someone to come up with a way that changing its license to FOSS could still bring in enough money to be profitable. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Hi Richard, Richard Gaskin wrote [snip] The only way LiveCode could become such a de facto standard would be for someone to come up with a way that changing its license to FOSS could still bring in enough money to be profitable. If my guess are correct, in the future, someone will have the brilliant idea of recreating HyperTalk or a similar programming language in top of Javascript or Python and suddenly everyone will wonder: Why nobody had think about this before? Then you will read sentences like these: There used to be a similar language named HyperTalk, but it was limited to Macs, that never have a significant share of Desktop computers... and ... Still today, there are commercial software like LiveCode (Multi-Platform) and SuperCard (MacOSX only) that uses a similar programming language with great advantage, according to their developers and faithful user base. I need to repeat again, what I have posted before: To gain a foothold in the schools, this platform have to convince the leaders to use LiveCode, not the followers. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-killing-Media-was-killing-an-investment-in-the-future-tp4652364p4652408.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Development software has the same conundrum that new OSes do, namely that they have to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. There have to be enough developers onboard ready to release software when the OS becomes available, so that enough people will be interested in taking the plunge. Similarly, with software development, there has to be enough developers willing to sign on. A critical mass of sorts. I believe that the reason LC is still viable today is because there are s many devs from past Hypertalk based environments that love programming in this fashion that they have reached that critical mass simply from the spillover. I think the real key to making LC insanely profitable for RR is for us, the developers, to produce really good commercial apps on a regular basis using LC, and proudly display on our splash screens: Made With Livecode! Bob On Jul 19, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi Richard, Richard Gaskin wrote [snip] The only way LiveCode could become such a de facto standard would be for someone to come up with a way that changing its license to FOSS could still bring in enough money to be profitable. If my guess are correct, in the future, someone will have the brilliant idea of recreating HyperTalk or a similar programming language in top of Javascript or Python and suddenly everyone will wonder: Why nobody had think about this before? Then you will read sentences like these: There used to be a similar language named HyperTalk, but it was limited to Macs, that never have a significant share of Desktop computers... and ... Still today, there are commercial software like LiveCode (Multi-Platform) and SuperCard (MacOSX only) that uses a similar programming language with great advantage, according to their developers and faithful user base. I need to repeat again, what I have posted before: To gain a foothold in the schools, this platform have to convince the leaders to use LiveCode, not the followers. Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I need to repeat again, what I have posted before: To gain a foothold in the schools, this platform have to convince the leaders to use LiveCode, not the followers. I think its important to narrow down what schools you are talking about (K-12 vs else), and the relative importance of computer programming education among the leaders. I don't think there's any question that a career in computer programming, built on a good start in K-12 can lead many to well paying jobs. However K-12 is struggling to provide the basics (with programs like Art, Music, PE, etc being cut) in many markets. It isn't a question of what programming language do we teach? it is do we offer programming classes at all?. The leaders need to be in a position where they can select platforms based on competitiveness rather than focusing all decisions just on survival. They exist - and those are the ones that can be convinced. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It's my personal opinion that we ought to be making a much bigger effort to improve education across the board, and no, more money does not accomplish that goal. California has one of the highest per capita budgets for education, and yet one of the worst records. If spending more money fixed things, California would be a glowing model of socialist success! If we teach our children how to analyze problems and formulate solutions, we will be in a much better place to teach them all things. Our kids need not only job skills, but a sound work ethic, and our policies are what teach them exactly the opposite. I think the current system is broken in California, and in most states, and standing in the way are public unions who are in bed with the politicians, so we cannot get rid of the incompetent administrators and policy makers. Ever. Until we get rid of the public unions. Nothing is going to change until the incompetent are replaced with the competent. I'm sure anyone in a union will vehemently disagree with me. Bob On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: I need to repeat again, what I have posted before: To gain a foothold in the schools, this platform have to convince the leaders to use LiveCode, not the followers. I think its important to narrow down what schools you are talking about (K-12 vs else), and the relative importance of computer programming education among the leaders. I don't think there's any question that a career in computer programming, built on a good start in K-12 can lead many to well paying jobs. However K-12 is struggling to provide the basics (with programs like Art, Music, PE, etc being cut) in many markets. It isn't a question of what programming language do we teach? it is do we offer programming classes at all?. The leaders need to be in a position where they can select platforms based on competitiveness rather than focusing all decisions just on survival. They exist - and those are the ones that can be convinced. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: It's my personal opinion that we ought to be making a much bigger effort to improve education across the board, and no, more money does not accomplish that goal. California has one of the highest per capita budgets for education, and yet one of the worst records. reaching for my economics professor's hat . . . It's not just California. For the US as a whole, there is a negative correlation between educational spending and results. Also, there are serious problems with the way data is reported. Nevada appears at the bottom of a spending list because it's school construction goes into a separate budget, and doesn't get counted as educational spending like most states . . . -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las Vegas, NV 89109 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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Bob Sneidar wrote: I think the real key to making LC insanely profitable for RR is for us, the developers, to produce really good commercial apps on a regular basis using LC, and proudly display on our splash screens: Made With Livecode! Agreed. And on the EDU front, LiveCode continues to make progress - this just showed up in their Twitter feed a few moments ago: http://www.runrev.com/education/gracemount_case.html If you haven't been to the runrev.com site lately, they have a whole section on EDU, split into K-12 and higher ed: http://www.runrev.com/education/index.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I am not sure about the situation in the US but in the UK (as noted elsewhere on the lists) there is a big drive to get kids programming again and not just using MS Word. Therefore the door is more than a little open right now for LiveCode or other tools to make their way in. For it's part LiveCode is a nice fit as the language itself is easy enough to get to grips with while at the same time being much more than a programming toy (which was often the case when I was at school). In addition to cost I think some issues may be the ability to transfer the skills and importantly what skills those teachers who may use LiveCode already have. For example what languages are they comfortable teaching and how open they are to something new. I am no-longer based in the UK but here in Luxembourg they are generally very enthusiastic about introducing novel IT stuff into schools but often teachers lack the vision to transform something that is cool for us into something that is also cool for the kids, or alternatively they are just reluctant in the first place to even adopt something new. In the case of the former this often means that the full potential of the technology is left underused which then can make the authorities quite rightfully question the wisdom of continuing these particular projects. Related to this is the provision of materials which help teachers to make use of what they are given. For example Runrev (if it does not already) should provide ready made materials aimed specifically at both teachers AND pupils, with good quality materials that help train and guide the teachers through the LiveCode basics that are relevant to the courses they teach. The less prep for the teacher probably the easier it will be to persuade them to buy LiveCode:) Also they already have quite enough on their hands preparing classes and marking to worry about having to learn something new. Even if we think LiveCode is easy to use we should be mindful that moving to it, from something else is quite a mindset shift. My recent semi-move back from Python after about seven years reminded me that it is not always as easy as one would imagine. Anyway I am no teacher but have heard quite heated discussions here in Luxembourg from many people on the problems of introducing novel IT concepts into schools. While I am sure each country has vast differences I'd say teachers are probably quite similar regardless of where you go. Cheers, rod On 19 July 2012 23:32, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: I think the real key to making LC insanely profitable for RR is for us, the developers, to produce really good commercial apps on a regular basis using LC, and proudly display on our splash screens: Made With Livecode! Agreed. And on the EDU front, LiveCode continues to make progress - this just showed up in their Twitter feed a few moments ago: http://www.runrev.com/education/gracemount_case.html If you haven't been to the runrev.com site lately, they have a whole section on EDU, split into K-12 and higher ed: http://www.runrev.com/education/index.html -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Dr Rod McCall Researcher in in-car, mixed reality technology and gaming Interdisciplinary Centre for Security, Reliability and Trust University of Luxembourg Blog: www.rodmc.com twitter:rodlux Publications and Information available on my blog ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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It's my personal opinion that we ought to be making a much bigger effort to improve education across the board, and no, more money does not accomplish that goal. Im going to dodge the political bullets I hear a buzzing in the air, Bob ;-) For any education to be at its best, you need to have kids coming from healthy, intellectually nurturing homes and neighborhoods, and a pipeline of communication. That's a much more complicated question, but solve that and the other stuff becomes much easier and cheaper. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
