Re: Text formatting for a slider
no, this was about finding out properties, and has not direct to do with my docu stack at all :) On 24.03.2012, at 20:57, Pete wrote: Hi Bjornke, Does the below mean your Docu plugin won't work with 5.5? I'd be sorry if that was the case - it's sooo much better than the built in dictionary interface! Pete 2012/3/24 Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com Furthermore, there's no way to find out the possible settings out that way, again this can only be found in the dictionary, but this time around, it's not machine readable. -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
There is no way to get all the properties of an object, because the properties and the propertynames both are incomplete. There are been several enhancement requests in the quality center, but no action or even reply at all from LC, as usual. The only way to get all the props is to get the list of all properties from the dictionary, and then write a script that sets each property of an object within a try/catch structure: those that fail, the object does not support. It's super tedious, and then there's some undocumented properties too, but this approach will yield more of the possible ones then going with other approaches. Furthermore, there's no way to find out the possible settings out that way, again this can only be found in the dictionary, but this time around, it's not machine readable. On 21.03.2012, at 21:24, Richmond wrote: On 03/21/2012 10:12 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: Stephen, What has me puzzled, maybe you have the answer, is a function to return ALL the properties of a given object. Here's what I did to get ALL the props of a slider: on mouseUp put the properties of control ZLIDER into propARRAY combine propARRAY by return and tab put propARRAY into fld PROPPS end mouseUp I think the middle line is what throws most people off. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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On 03/24/2012 08:31 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: There is no way to get all the properties of an object, because the properties and the propertynames both are incomplete. There are been several enhancement requests in the quality center, but no action or even reply at all from LC, as usual. This as usual begins to feel increasingly insulting. Over the years (and, I, for one, have been contributing/stirring things up on this list for about 11 years), a lot of people (most far more knowledgeable than myself) have been posting many wonderful things, AND made some fairly trenchant criticisms about a variety of problems / loopholes / inconsistencies, have it how you will. and there is a general feeling that isn't often as explicitly stated as 'Richmond-the-big-mouth' states things that, for all the fancy words about RunRev being user-friendly and receptive to user feedback this is all a load of tosh, and RunRev doesn't really give a monkey's. snip Now, Björnke made some fairly snide remarks to me at the developer conference in Edinburgh about how my 'direct way' alienated a lot of others on the Use-List; He went to great pains to tell me (in the Pollok Halls of residence) how many Use-List regulars developed special anti-Richmond filters - I felt flattered . . . :) but, of course, what he was not prepared to admit was that I am extremely convenient for those who want to do the Pastor Neimoller, in that I can be relied on to call a spade a f***ing shovel at times like them, take the heat, while they get any benefit that may accrue from it. Despite Björnke's remarks; there is a need for somebody, sometimes to stand up and state a few unpleasant truths - the silly thing about sound recording springs to mind (not forgetting the eternal one about exporting sounds). And, as somebody who does not make his money out of RunRev's products (however dearly he would like to), and does not depend on his reputation with RunRev or other subscribers to the Use-list for his CV or his next job, he is not afraid to stand up and state that, over the years, while RunRev has stated time and again, that they value end-user feedback, they have not really demonstrated that at all. After 11 years of working with RunRev/Livecode I am well aware of its strengths, and it is my weapon of choice far ahead of all the others 'out there'; this is exactly why I am very sad that there are so many things that have not been addressed by the developers which would strengthen it still further. I am well aware that quite a lot of repair work has been overlooked in the mad rush forwards to grab the handheld market; but now that has been sorted out, surely a period of retrenchment is called for, to address these very real shortcomings that have been festering away there in the back like a series of ingrowing toenails. - This hurts me all the more, because when I attended the developer conference in Edinburgh, and visited RunRev's headquarters in the New Town I could see how much LOVE (and I mean love) was being poured into Livecode, how much effort, and how much brain-power. Livecode is such a good product, and has been for a very long time, that were the RunRev people just a bit more responsive to the very real criticisms, offered not in a spirit of nastiness, but in a spirit of wanting to help, it could be absolutely outstanding. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
Hi Bjornke, Does the below mean your Docu plugin won't work with 5.5? I'd be sorry if that was the case - it's sooo much better than the built in dictionary interface! Pete 2012/3/24 Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com Furthermore, there's no way to find out the possible settings out that way, again this can only be found in the dictionary, but this time around, it's not machine readable. -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
It is not just the arrays. It omits things like the foregroundcolor and backgroundcolor. I get a rough count of 34 properties using the properties of for a scrollbar and Richard shows 57. Jim Message: 19 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:02:35 -0700 From: Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Text formatting for a slider Message-ID: 3677832125.20120321180...@ahsoftware.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii stephen- Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 4:05:46 PM, you wrote: I think what broke Smart properties was that some of the newer properites in never versions are multi-dimensional - and SP was written early in the 2000's. And some of the multidimensional ones don't appear in the list when you get the properties of. Luckily, the list of missing items is short if you don't include custom properties. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
Stephen, What has me puzzled, maybe you have the answer, is a function to return ALL the properties of a given object. As many have said, the properties function is incomplete. For one thing it omits the foregroundcolor of the scrollbar. (I wonder whether those properties in the inspector palette for which there is an opening but no property are those among those missing from put the properties of ...) So I wonder where Rinaldi and Richard Gaskin got their lists from? This would be the first task in reconstruction Rinaldi's plug-in. Jim Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:03:04 -0700 From: stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Text formatting for a slider Message-ID: cafmqfh+-b-uzupsezoofvp8dnypwrpbjzjdb4y3olkby9n3...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I made an attempt at 'fixing' Smart properties a while back, but found it's not as simple as it might seem to be. Three objects created for each property in real time made to scroll together and some other trickery going on. It's a project I do want to tackle one of these days. On 19 March 2012 15:34, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.comwrote: JIm, I'm a fan of Mr. Rinaldi as well - he supplied the first serial xcmds for hypercard back in 89 - however I can't get Smartproperties to work these days - have you used it lately? sqb ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
On 03/21/2012 10:12 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: Stephen, What has me puzzled, maybe you have the answer, is a function to return ALL the properties of a given object. Here's what I did to get ALL the props of a slider: on mouseUp put the properties of control ZLIDER into propARRAY combine propARRAY by return and tab put propARRAY into fld PROPPS end mouseUp I think the middle line is what throws most people off. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
On 03/21/2012 10:43 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: Richmond, Here is the definition of Properties in the dictionary: Summary: Specifies SOME of an object's properties and their current values. What? There's more? Shock, Horror! Emphasis mine. Jim Message: 27 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:24:10 +0200 From: Richmondrichmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCodeuse-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Text formatting for a slider Message-ID:4f6a38ea.6040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 03/21/2012 10:12 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: Stephen, What has me puzzled, maybe you have the answer, is a function to return ALL the properties of a given object. Here's what I did to get ALL the props of a slider: on mouseUp put the properties of control ZLIDER into propARRAY combine propARRAY by return and tab put propARRAY into fld PROPPS end mouseUp I think the middle line is what throws most people off. * ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
I think what broke Smart properties was that some of the newer properites in never versions are multi-dimensional - and SP was written early in the 2000's. On 20 March 2012 15:03, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.comwrote: I made an attempt at 'fixing' Smart properties a while back, but found it's not as simple as it might seem to be. Three objects created for each property in real time made to scroll together and some other trickery going on. It's a project I do want to tackle one of these days. On 19 March 2012 15:34, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.comwrote: JIm, I'm a fan of Mr. Rinaldi as well - he supplied the first serial xcmds for hypercard back in 89 - however I can't get Smartproperties to work these days - have you used it lately? sqb On 19 March 2012 14:57, Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Pete, Yes, my feeling exactly. It looks like there was a conscious effort to omit the foregroundColor for the slider (and scollbar as well). I was worried that it was to be deprecated. (I wasn't concerned about ALL the properties being in the Inspector. It is odd, however, that there is a place for the foreGroundColor property, an icon but no defining text, but no way to access it. I suspect RR got distracted while implementing the slider Inspector.) You might want to check out Richard's 4wProps (under the Development/Plugins menu). Easy access to all the properties. Occasionally I have found (legendary) Renaldi's SmartProperties invalueable. It allows one to compare side by side the properties to two objects. It is valuable in finding out why two, apparently identical, controls behave or look different. Jim Hurley Message: 24 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:42:46 -0700 From: Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Text formatting for a slider Message-ID: CABx6j9mAJJtKUZneWCna5tP7fWxUMBvH7LqBsvxZgbJ= ybd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, but that displays all possible properties of any object. The properties property of an object gets you an array of properties for a specific object. Still a long list mind you, and not a complete list either according to the dictionary. I think you're probably right that it would make the inspector windows very unwieldy to include all properties. The problem is that by leaving some of them out, arbitrarily, it gives the impression that they aren't available, especially to new users. I remember when I first started using LC and wanted to set the behavior of an option menu button - there's no inspector window behavior field so I just assumed it wasn't possible for some reason and went down a different, much more complicated path. Seems like it would have been trivial to include one more option in the inspector option menu for All Properties or something similar. I ended up writing my own plugin to show all the properties of a selected object and allow me to change any of them. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 03/19/2012 06:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is very difficult to read. The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the foreground color. Why not? Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) Almost all object have a vast number of options that one can fiddle around with; the Props Inspector only displays a subset of them; why? I don't know, but I can hazard a guess: a Props Inspector that displayed ALL the props of each object might be so unwieldy as to be virtually unusable. Just for fun . . . Set up a new stack with a scrollingListField field called PROPPS and try this in the MessageBox: put the propertyNames into fld PROPPS and blow your mind . . . :) Jim __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com
Re: Text formatting for a slider
stephen- Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 4:05:46 PM, you wrote: I think what broke Smart properties was that some of the newer properites in never versions are multi-dimensional - and SP was written early in the 2000's. And some of the multidimensional ones don't appear in the list when you get the properties of. Luckily, the list of missing items is short if you don't include custom properties. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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I wonder what is wrong with this: put the propertyNames of scrollbar ZLIDE into fld PROPPS ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
I made an attempt at 'fixing' Smart properties a while back, but found it's not as simple as it might seem to be. Three objects created for each property in real time made to scroll together and some other trickery going on. It's a project I do want to tackle one of these days. On 19 March 2012 15:34, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.comwrote: JIm, I'm a fan of Mr. Rinaldi as well - he supplied the first serial xcmds for hypercard back in 89 - however I can't get Smartproperties to work these days - have you used it lately? sqb On 19 March 2012 14:57, Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Pete, Yes, my feeling exactly. It looks like there was a conscious effort to omit the foregroundColor for the slider (and scollbar as well). I was worried that it was to be deprecated. (I wasn't concerned about ALL the properties being in the Inspector. It is odd, however, that there is a place for the foreGroundColor property, an icon but no defining text, but no way to access it. I suspect RR got distracted while implementing the slider Inspector.) You might want to check out Richard's 4wProps (under the Development/Plugins menu). Easy access to all the properties. Occasionally I have found (legendary) Renaldi's SmartProperties invalueable. It allows one to compare side by side the properties to two objects. It is valuable in finding out why two, apparently identical, controls behave or look different. Jim Hurley Message: 24 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:42:46 -0700 From: Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Text formatting for a slider Message-ID: CABx6j9mAJJtKUZneWCna5tP7fWxUMBvH7LqBsvxZgbJ= ybd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, but that displays all possible properties of any object. The properties property of an object gets you an array of properties for a specific object. Still a long list mind you, and not a complete list either according to the dictionary. I think you're probably right that it would make the inspector windows very unwieldy to include all properties. The problem is that by leaving some of them out, arbitrarily, it gives the impression that they aren't available, especially to new users. I remember when I first started using LC and wanted to set the behavior of an option menu button - there's no inspector window behavior field so I just assumed it wasn't possible for some reason and went down a different, much more complicated path. Seems like it would have been trivial to include one more option in the inspector option menu for All Properties or something similar. I ended up writing my own plugin to show all the properties of a selected object and allow me to change any of them. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/19/2012 06:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is very difficult to read. The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the foreground color. Why not? Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) Almost all object have a vast number of options that one can fiddle around with; the Props Inspector only displays a subset of them; why? I don't know, but I can hazard a guess: a Props Inspector that displayed ALL the props of each object might be so unwieldy as to be virtually unusable. Just for fun . . . Set up a new stack with a scrollingListField field called PROPPS and try this in the MessageBox: put the propertyNames into fld PROPPS and blow your mind . . . :) Jim __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman
Text formatting for a slider
I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is very difficult to read. The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the foreground color. Why not? Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) Jim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
Hi Jim: The Inspector doesn't provide options for changing *every* possible property of objects. One could argue that it should, but doing so would likely consume a lot more screen real estate, so RunRev probably opted to show what they consider to be core properties. As you found, you can always test settings via the message box or object scripts. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, Jim Hurley wrote: I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is very difficult to read. The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the foreground color. Why not? Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) Jim ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
Yeah, but that displays all possible properties of any object. The properties property of an object gets you an array of properties for a specific object. Still a long list mind you, and not a complete list either according to the dictionary. I think you're probably right that it would make the inspector windows very unwieldy to include all properties. The problem is that by leaving some of them out, arbitrarily, it gives the impression that they aren't available, especially to new users. I remember when I first started using LC and wanted to set the behavior of an option menu button - there's no inspector window behavior field so I just assumed it wasn't possible for some reason and went down a different, much more complicated path. Seems like it would have been trivial to include one more option in the inspector option menu for All Properties or something similar. I ended up writing my own plugin to show all the properties of a selected object and allow me to change any of them. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 03/19/2012 06:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is very difficult to read. The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the foreground color. Why not? Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) Almost all object have a vast number of options that one can fiddle around with; the Props Inspector only displays a subset of them; why? I don't know, but I can hazard a guess: a Props Inspector that displayed ALL the props of each object might be so unwieldy as to be virtually unusable. Just for fun . . . Set up a new stack with a scrollingListField field called PROPPS and try this in the MessageBox: put the propertyNames into fld PROPPS and blow your mind . . . :) Jim __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
Pete, Yes, my feeling exactly. It looks like there was a conscious effort to omit the foregroundColor for the slider (and scollbar as well). I was worried that it was to be deprecated. (I wasn't concerned about ALL the properties being in the Inspector. It is odd, however, that there is a place for the foreGroundColor property, an icon but no defining text, but no way to access it. I suspect RR got distracted while implementing the slider Inspector.) You might want to check out Richard's 4wProps (under the Development/Plugins menu). Easy access to all the properties. Occasionally I have found (legendary) Renaldi's SmartProperties invalueable. It allows one to compare side by side the properties to two objects. It is valuable in finding out why two, apparently identical, controls behave or look different. Jim Hurley Message: 24 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:42:46 -0700 From: Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Text formatting for a slider Message-ID: CABx6j9mAJJtKUZneWCna5tP7fWxUMBvH7LqBsvxZgbJ=ybd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, but that displays all possible properties of any object. The properties property of an object gets you an array of properties for a specific object. Still a long list mind you, and not a complete list either according to the dictionary. I think you're probably right that it would make the inspector windows very unwieldy to include all properties. The problem is that by leaving some of them out, arbitrarily, it gives the impression that they aren't available, especially to new users. I remember when I first started using LC and wanted to set the behavior of an option menu button - there's no inspector window behavior field so I just assumed it wasn't possible for some reason and went down a different, much more complicated path. Seems like it would have been trivial to include one more option in the inspector option menu for All Properties or something similar. I ended up writing my own plugin to show all the properties of a selected object and allow me to change any of them. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 03/19/2012 06:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is very difficult to read. The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the foreground color. Why not? Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) Almost all object have a vast number of options that one can fiddle around with; the Props Inspector only displays a subset of them; why? I don't know, but I can hazard a guess: a Props Inspector that displayed ALL the props of each object might be so unwieldy as to be virtually unusable. Just for fun . . . Set up a new stack with a scrollingListField field called PROPPS and try this in the MessageBox: put the propertyNames into fld PROPPS and blow your mind . . . :) Jim __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecodehttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
JIm, I'm a fan of Mr. Rinaldi as well - he supplied the first serial xcmds for hypercard back in 89 - however I can't get Smartproperties to work these days - have you used it lately? sqb On 19 March 2012 14:57, Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Pete, Yes, my feeling exactly. It looks like there was a conscious effort to omit the foregroundColor for the slider (and scollbar as well). I was worried that it was to be deprecated. (I wasn't concerned about ALL the properties being in the Inspector. It is odd, however, that there is a place for the foreGroundColor property, an icon but no defining text, but no way to access it. I suspect RR got distracted while implementing the slider Inspector.) You might want to check out Richard's 4wProps (under the Development/Plugins menu). Easy access to all the properties. Occasionally I have found (legendary) Renaldi's SmartProperties invalueable. It allows one to compare side by side the properties to two objects. It is valuable in finding out why two, apparently identical, controls behave or look different. Jim Hurley Message: 24 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:42:46 -0700 From: Pete p...@mollysrevenge.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Text formatting for a slider Message-ID: CABx6j9mAJJtKUZneWCna5tP7fWxUMBvH7LqBsvxZgbJ= ybd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, but that displays all possible properties of any object. The properties property of an object gets you an array of properties for a specific object. Still a long list mind you, and not a complete list either according to the dictionary. I think you're probably right that it would make the inspector windows very unwieldy to include all properties. The problem is that by leaving some of them out, arbitrarily, it gives the impression that they aren't available, especially to new users. I remember when I first started using LC and wanted to set the behavior of an option menu button - there's no inspector window behavior field so I just assumed it wasn't possible for some reason and went down a different, much more complicated path. Seems like it would have been trivial to include one more option in the inspector option menu for All Properties or something similar. I ended up writing my own plugin to show all the properties of a selected object and allow me to change any of them. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/19/2012 06:05 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: I have a slider in which the showValue is set to true. Unfortunately, the card background is gray and the black slider value is very difficult to read. The inspector for the slider does not display an option for the foreground color. Why not? Using 4W Properties (thank you RIchard) the foreground color is listed as an option (and can be changed there, or from the msg box.) Why this omission in the Inspector? (LC version 4 AND 5.) Almost all object have a vast number of options that one can fiddle around with; the Props Inspector only displays a subset of them; why? I don't know, but I can hazard a guess: a Props Inspector that displayed ALL the props of each object might be so unwieldy as to be virtually unusable. Just for fun . . . Set up a new stack with a scrollingListField field called PROPPS and try this in the MessageBox: put the propertyNames into fld PROPPS and blow your mind . . . :) Jim __**_ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/**mailman/listinfo/use-livecode http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
On 3/19/12 5:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote: JIm, I'm a fan of Mr. Rinaldi as well - he supplied the first serial xcmds for hypercard back in 89 - however I can't get Smartproperties to work these days - have you used it lately? His auto-save plugin is broken too. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Text formatting for a slider
Thanks, 4wProps no installed. Pete On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jim Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.netwrote: You might want to check out Richard's 4wProps (under the Development/Plugins menu). Easy access to all the properties. -- Pete Molly's Revenge http://www.mollysrevenge.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
