Re: What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[harrison--- via use-livecode]

Hi Richard,

I am a naturally inquisitive person, so I am always
seeking out new and different things.  I came across
the old thread and wondered what progress if any
had happened on the LiveCode front with it.

Thanks for your responses!

Rick

> On Dec 18, 2022, at 3:32 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is your interest that prompted you to introduce this thread?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems

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Re: What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Hmmm.
Currently LC will integrate with any blockchain that has a REST api.
For those that don't have rest (most of them) we'll need websockets, or use
livecode to build the interface for something running on NODE.js or
something like it.
Third option is to use something like GO, RUST or V to build a small client
that will talk to the blockchain for and then you talk to that process with
LC.
PM me if you have a specific use case that you need it for, I've done a lot
more research into blockchains.
Cheers



On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 3:34 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Rick Harrison wrote:
>
>  > Hi Richard,
>  >
>  > I just read an article about Ethereum, and smart contracts.
>  >
>  > How one would approach this with LiveCode would be
>  > an interesting topic, although it does raise some questions.
>
>
> All good questions, which is why I was quick to note that I have no
> interest in speculative psuedo-currency applications.
>
> At the moment I'm mostly interesting in finding ways to use tokens to
> certify different stages of participation in scavenger hunt games for
> live events. Some of these events have global secondary audiences, so a
> token with decentralized availability and inherent authentication has
> some utility.
>
> What is your interest that prompted you to introduce this thread?
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
>
>
>
>  > For example: Assume that someone writes an app
>  > like a game, that is stored as a smart contract. Although
>  > it is decentralized, future obsolescence of hardware
>  > and software, will eventually make the game
>  > obsolete too. Then it’s just trash data slowing
>  > down blockchain transactions.  Does that make
>  > sense?
>  >
>  > The article I read also discussed CrytoKitties
>  > which I would say is the same as NFT artwork.
>  >
>  > I don’t see much value in that kind of artwork.
>  >
>  > There is also speculation that the reason some
>  > of this artwork has sold for large sums of money
>  > is because it is being used by criminal elements
>  > to conduct money laundering.  That of course
>  > falsely makes the currency seem that it must
>  > have some real value, that fools others into
>  > investing in it.
>  >
>  > There has to be a better way to implement
>  > such ideas.
>  >
>  > Just my 2 cents.
>  >
>  > Thanks for your replies!
>  >
>  > Rick
>
>
>
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Re: What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Rick Harrison wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> I just read an article about Ethereum, and smart contracts.
>
> How one would approach this with LiveCode would be
> an interesting topic, although it does raise some questions.


All good questions, which is why I was quick to note that I have no 
interest in speculative psuedo-currency applications.


At the moment I'm mostly interesting in finding ways to use tokens to 
certify different stages of participation in scavenger hunt games for 
live events. Some of these events have global secondary audiences, so a 
token with decentralized availability and inherent authentication has 
some utility.


What is your interest that prompted you to introduce this thread?

--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems



> For example: Assume that someone writes an app
> like a game, that is stored as a smart contract. Although
> it is decentralized, future obsolescence of hardware
> and software, will eventually make the game
> obsolete too. Then it’s just trash data slowing
> down blockchain transactions.  Does that make
> sense?
>
> The article I read also discussed CrytoKitties
> which I would say is the same as NFT artwork.
>
> I don’t see much value in that kind of artwork.
>
> There is also speculation that the reason some
> of this artwork has sold for large sums of money
> is because it is being used by criminal elements
> to conduct money laundering.  That of course
> falsely makes the currency seem that it must
> have some real value, that fools others into
> investing in it.
>
> There has to be a better way to implement
> such ideas.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Thanks for your replies!
>
> Rick



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Re: What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[harrison--- via use-livecode]

Hi Richard,

I just read an article about Ethereum, and smart contracts.

How one would approach this with LiveCode would be
an interesting topic, although it does raise some questions.

For example: Assume that someone writes an app
like a game, that is stored as a smart contract. Although 
it is decentralized, future obsolescence of hardware
and software, will eventually make the game 
obsolete too. Then it’s just trash data slowing
down blockchain transactions.  Does that make
sense?

The article I read also discussed CrytoKitties 
which I would say is the same as NFT artwork.

I don’t see much value in that kind of artwork.

There is also speculation that the reason some
of this artwork has sold for large sums of money
is because it is being used by criminal elements
to conduct money laundering.  That of course
falsely makes the currency seem that it must
have some real value, that fools others into
investing in it.

There has to be a better way to implement 
such ideas.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for your replies!

Rick



> On Dec 16, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The question is almost too big to answer, akin to asking about file systems 
> or sockets. The range of applications for blockchains are currently too big 
> to count, and only just beginning.
> 
> As far as a role for LC, I've seen some interest from LC users but nothing 
> very specific, and nothing along the lines of libraries or tooling yet.
> 
> I am meeting with another LC user with an interest in this space next week.  
> If anything noteworthy comes up I'll report back.
> 
> In the meantime, my own interest is mostly centered around the corner of the 
> Ethereum world focused on smart contracts. I have no interest in speculative 
> psuedo-currency applications, but now that Eth2 is running and gas fees are 
> plummeting, there's a universe of opportunity in smart contracts. At the 
> moment nearly all of that work is limited to one language, Solidity, so that 
> and studying the underlying protocols and data structures of Ethereum nodes 
> have been where my time in this space has been invested.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems

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Re: What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

The question is almost too big to answer, akin to asking about file 
systems or sockets. The range of applications for blockchains are 
currently too big to count, and only just beginning.


As far as a role for LC, I've seen some interest from LC users but 
nothing very specific, and nothing along the lines of libraries or 
tooling yet.


I am meeting with another LC user with an interest in this space next 
week.  If anything noteworthy comes up I'll report back.


In the meantime, my own interest is mostly centered around the corner of 
the Ethereum world focused on smart contracts. I have no interest in 
speculative psuedo-currency applications, but now that Eth2 is running 
and gas fees are plummeting, there's a universe of opportunity in smart 
contracts. At the moment nearly all of that work is limited to one 
language, Solidity, so that and studying the underlying protocols and 
data structures of Ethereum nodes have been where my time in this space 
has been invested.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems



Rick Harrison wrote:> Hi Richard,


This is my first real exploration of how it works,
and I wondered if anyone had tried to do anything
using LiveCode.

I didn’t have any application in mind yet, I was just
wondering how difficult it might be to work with the
concepts in an LC environment.

This was more of a question of what’s out there
already that I should know about, not about what
do I need, as that has yet to be defined.

If you know of some good resources/examples 
please let me know.


Thanks for getting back to me! 


Rick


On Dec 16, 2022, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode  wrote:

Hard to say what became of that particular group from so long ago, and given 
how blockchain use cases have expanded in the years since it can be challenging 
just identifying what types of blockchain integrations would be most useful 
with a GUI toolkit like LC.

I've started dipping my toe in the waters of Solidity as one way to explore 
this space. But it's such a vast space...

What are you working on, and what do you need?

--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Systems



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Re: What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[harrison--- via use-livecode]

Hi Richard,

This is my first real exploration of how it works,
and I wondered if anyone had tried to do anything
using LiveCode.

I didn’t have any application in mind yet, I was just
wondering how difficult it might be to work with the
concepts in an LC environment.

This was more of a question of what’s out there
already that I should know about, not about what
do I need, as that has yet to be defined.

If you know of some good resources/examples 
please let me know.

Thanks for getting back to me! 

Rick

> On Dec 16, 2022, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hard to say what became of that particular group from so long ago, and given 
> how blockchain use cases have expanded in the years since it can be 
> challenging just identifying what types of blockchain integrations would be 
> most useful with a GUI toolkit like LC.
> 
> I've started dipping my toe in the waters of Solidity as one way to explore 
> this space. But it's such a vast space...
> 
> What are you working on, and what do you need?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems

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Re: What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Hard to say what became of that particular group from so long ago, and 
given how blockchain use cases have expanded in the years since it can 
be challenging just identifying what types of blockchain integrations 
would be most useful with a GUI toolkit like LC.


I've started dipping my toe in the waters of Solidity as one way to 
explore this space. But it's such a vast space...


What are you working on, and what do you need?

--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems



Rich Harrison wrote:


I was doing some research and came across this
old post from 2016.

Whatever happened to the research group you
guys formed?  Did anything happen?  If so,
where did you archive the stuff?

Thanks,

Rick



On Aug 20, 2016, at 5:17 AM, David Bovill mailto:david at 
viral.academy>> wrote:

Mike that would be great. I'd like to get together a small group to
research together the integration of Livecode with blockchain - starting in
November. The format would be asynchronous work with some live
get-togethers.

Involvement does not need to be super-geeky. It will be a research group,
so I'll collect links, podcasts and videos and present these within a
Livecode environment - so there is a need for media, writing and research
skills and we will be working together on a publication within Livecode.
This publication will also be online and on the decentralised web.
Super-geeks with a knowledge of Javascript and Livecode are also more than
welcome.

If anyone else is interested just email me here or off-list, and I'll send
out information when the dates are confirmed.



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What ever happened to LC blockchain?

[harrison--- via use-livecode]

Good Morning LiveCoders,

I was doing some research and came across this
old post from 2016.

Whatever happened to the research group you
guys formed?  Did anything happen?  If so,
where did you archive the stuff?

Thanks,

Rick


> On Aug 20, 2016, at 5:17 AM, David Bovill  > wrote:
> 
> Mike that would be great. I'd like to get together a small group to
> research together the integration of Livecode with blockchain - starting in
> November. The format would be asynchronous work with some live
> get-togethers.
> 
> Involvement does not need to be super-geeky. It will be a research group,
> so I'll collect links, podcasts and videos and present these within a
> Livecode environment - so there is a need for media, writing and research
> skills and we will be working together on a publication within Livecode.
> This publication will also be online and on the decentralised web.
> Super-geeks with a knowledge of Javascript and Livecode are also more than
> welcome.
> 
> If anyone else is interested just email me here or off-list, and I'll send
> out information when the dates are confirmed.

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