Re: Open socket on start up and can't close
Sockets are pretty easy to implement. There is a good Livecode lesson on how to do so. I wrote a client server system that can be used for virtually any kind of application. My particular need was to send and receive SQL queries and data without having to go through the fuss of setting up a web server and maintaining SSL certs. I use my own algorithm with AES256 and some proprietary wizardry that makes the hash undecryptable Save by the client and server. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2021, at 13:36, Craig Newman via use-livecode > wrote: > > Robert. > > "I have epsiTalk under Livecode.” > > Whaaat?? How much do you want for it? I would love to be able to talk to > other running LC machines with a skillset that I already have. > > When I first picked up LC, I immediately tested “send to program” (a command > in LC, as it ought to be, not a keyword(!)) to another Mac running LC. It > did not work, as others have verified, even though it is still listed in the > dictionary without comment. I played around with sockets about 8 years ago, > and got the hang of them, but I miss the package of gadgetry that EpsiTalk > offered. > > So, um, how much does EpsiTalk for LC cost?? > > Craig > >> On Dec 17, 2021, at 1:51 PM, RobEppich via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> I have epsiTalk under Livecode. > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open socket on start up and can't close
On 12/17/21 12:51 PM, RobEppich via use-livecode wrote: First question is how to turn off remote debugging as might would compete with the port that I use for epsiTalk inBusiness and if the remote debugging is still opening a socket in a standalone. Also, isn’t this open socket for rermote debugging a security risk? Remote debugging, by default, is only available if you have cabled your device to the computer and used the Test button to install an app. It is not included in standalones unless you specifically select it in the Inclusions pane in Standalone Settings. I don't think it's much of a security risk because unless you include it manually, no one but you and your computer has access to it. I have to say, I don't know how I ever got along without it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open socket on start up and can't close
Robert. "I have epsiTalk under Livecode.” Whaaat?? How much do you want for it? I would love to be able to talk to other running LC machines with a skillset that I already have. When I first picked up LC, I immediately tested “send to program” (a command in LC, as it ought to be, not a keyword(!)) to another Mac running LC. It did not work, as others have verified, even though it is still listed in the dictionary without comment. I played around with sockets about 8 years ago, and got the hang of them, but I miss the package of gadgetry that EpsiTalk offered. So, um, how much does EpsiTalk for LC cost?? Craig > On Dec 17, 2021, at 1:51 PM, RobEppich via use-livecode > wrote: > > I have epsiTalk under Livecode. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Open socket on start up and can't close
Hi Craig, Klaus, Alex, Monte, Curry yes, that is me. Glad to hear that epsiTalk continues to be so useful for you. I have epsiTalk under Livecode. I say very little as the more I say the more distractions there are. During the Hypercard days I used xcmds. In the end HC was discontinued and I tried using Applescript for a year and then was going to use Supercard but I learned my lesson of the one platform trap and so I moved onto Revolution using sockets, then Livecode. Best long term decision I ever made. Runrev/Livecode are my heros! I am using macOS Monterey version 12.0.1 on iMac (24-inch, M1, 2021) and have recently moved from "Livecode Indy" to just plain “Livecode". I believe that this open socket must be the remote debugging feature, that I am not familiar with, though I suppose I will now. First question is how to turn off remote debugging as might would compete with the port that I use for epsiTalk inBusiness and if the remote debugging is still opening a socket in a standalone. Also, isn’t this open socket for rermote debugging a security risk? I shall study. It is true that I am a happy lurker. I live on an island with 1100 people and discovered that 900 are never anywhere to be seen or heard from, like me. I have discovered, as well, that the 80% are silent lurkers in most communities, and we are all mostly appreciative of all of you who are very active. I keep all the digests and use it to search for answers that you have all provided to our Livecode community, and often I find that all of you have answered my question, again, and now I wish to Thank You all for this great resource. Thanks to all of you Rob Eppich ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Curry. Surely you are right. I just remember when HC was on the ropes, and wish that the LC Forum was so full of posts that I never have to do my actual job. I can just kibitz there all day long. It would mean that the world finally gets what LC offers. Craig > On Dec 16, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > wrote: > > > Craig: > > > I have never understood how anyone working with LC, > > at any level of expertise, can lurk silently either here > > or on the Forum, and never ask a question, comment on something, > > complain or praise, whatever. > > Understanding is a valuable commodity! > > Not everyone is extrovert/expulsive. > Not all have the time or inclination. > And the list goes on ... different strokes. > > None of which necessarily mean less interest > or enthusiasm for LC. Many a quiet sage > > Interesting backstory too; thanks for sharing. > > Best wishes, > > Curry Kenworthy > > Custom Software Development > "Better Methods, Better Results" > Christian LiveCode Training and Consulting > http://livecodeconsulting.com/ > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Craig: > I have never understood how anyone working with LC, > at any level of expertise, can lurk silently either here > or on the Forum, and never ask a question, comment on something, > complain or praise, whatever. Understanding is a valuable commodity! Not everyone is extrovert/expulsive. Not all have the time or inclination. And the list goes on ... different strokes. None of which necessarily mean less interest or enthusiasm for LC. Many a quiet sage Interesting backstory too; thanks for sharing. Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" Christian LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
> "A few regulars - but many others who work/lurk! :)" I have never understood how anyone working with LC, at any level of expertise, can lurk silently either here or on the Forum, and never ask a question, comment on something, complain or praise, whatever. Checking these two venues is the first thing I do in the morning. Craig > On Dec 16, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode > wrote: > > Curry. > > "A few regulars - but many others who work/lurk! :)" > > I see that. > > Robert Eppich, back in the ’90’s, way before sockets, sold a product called > “Epsitalk”. This was HC based, and essentially used the now deprecated “send > message to program”. This was listed as a keyword, not a command, in the HC > lexicon. I never understood that. > > Anyway, I still have a peer-to-peer collection of OS9 Macs that run part of > my business, used daily. The only reason I have not migrated that stuff to LC > is that I have played with sockets only just a little, and do not want to fix > what is not broken. My LC world is rich and busy enough with the other things > I do with it. > > So Robert, glad to see you still in the xTalk world... > > Craig > >> On Dec 15, 2021, at 11:58 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> >> Craig: >> >>> ROBERT EPPICH? >> >> More people read this list than anyone might assume. >> A few regulars - but many others who work/lurk! :) >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Curry Kenworthy >> >> Custom Software Development >> "Better Methods, Better Results" >> Christian LiveCode Training and Consulting >> http://livecodeconsulting.com/ >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Curry. "A few regulars - but many others who work/lurk! :)" I see that. Robert Eppich, back in the ’90’s, way before sockets, sold a product called “Epsitalk”. This was HC based, and essentially used the now deprecated “send message to program”. This was listed as a keyword, not a command, in the HC lexicon. I never understood that. Anyway, I still have a peer-to-peer collection of OS9 Macs that run part of my business, used daily. The only reason I have not migrated that stuff to LC is that I have played with sockets only just a little, and do not want to fix what is not broken. My LC world is rich and busy enough with the other things I do with it. So Robert, glad to see you still in the xTalk world... Craig > On Dec 15, 2021, at 11:58 PM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > wrote: > > > Craig: > > > ROBERT EPPICH? > > More people read this list than anyone might assume. > A few regulars - but many others who work/lurk! :) > > Best wishes, > > Curry Kenworthy > > Custom Software Development > "Better Methods, Better Results" > Christian LiveCode Training and Consulting > http://livecodeconsulting.com/ > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Craig: > ROBERT EPPICH? More people read this list than anyone might assume. A few regulars - but many others who work/lurk! :) Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Custom Software Development "Better Methods, Better Results" Christian LiveCode Training and Consulting http://livecodeconsulting.com/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Is there a reason you are trying to close it? This is the socket port the remote debugger is listening on and there is a loop ensuring its existence. Cheers Monte > On 16 Dec 2021, at 6:26 am, RobEppich via use-livecode > wrote: > > Downloaded and run Livecode 9.6.5, type “put the opensockets” and a socket is > open, 65463. Close socket 65463 and put the opensockets again and result is > 65466. > > Close the socket that is opened on startup always results in another socket > being opened. This was not the case in 9.6.3 and previous versions. Can > someone verify this? > > Also have checked 10.0 dp 1 and same issue is there. > > Thanks > Rob Eppich > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Could it be remote debugging ? Which version / license are you using ? Alex. On 15/12/2021 19:26, RobEppich via use-livecode wrote: Downloaded and run Livecode 9.6.5, type “put the opensockets” and a socket is open, 65463. Close socket 65463 and put the opensockets again and result is 65466. Close the socket that is opened on startup always results in another socket being opened. This was not the case in 9.6.3 and previous versions. Can someone verify this? Also have checked 10.0 dp 1 and same issue is there. Thanks Rob Eppich ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Hi Rob déjà vue? :-D > Am 15.12.2021 um 20:26 schrieb RobEppich via use-livecode > : > > Downloaded and run Livecode 9.6.5, type “put the opensockets” and a socket is > open, 65463. Close socket 65463 and put the opensockets again and result is > 65466. > Close the socket that is opened on startup always results in another socket > being opened. This was not the case in 9.6.3 and previous versions. Can > someone verify this? maOS 10.14.6 and LC 9.6.5, no opensockets on startup here! > Also have checked 10.0 dp 1 and same issue is there. > > Thanks > Rob Eppich Best Klaus -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de https://www.major-k.de/bass kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
ROBERT EPPICH? If you are the person I think you are, do you know that I still manage a dozen OS9 Macs on a network using Hypercard and Epsitalk? Do you have other posts on either the LiveCode forums or this use-list? I have never seen your name... Craig Newman > On Dec 15, 2021, at 2:26 PM, RobEppich via use-livecode > wrote: > > Downloaded and run Livecode 9.6.5, type “put the opensockets” and a socket is > open, 65463. Close socket 65463 and put the opensockets again and result is > 65466. > > Close the socket that is opened on startup always results in another socket > being opened. This was not the case in 9.6.3 and previous versions. Can > someone verify this? > > Also have checked 10.0 dp 1 and same issue is there. > > Thanks > Rob Eppich > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
open socket on start up and can't close
Downloaded and run Livecode 9.6.5, type “put the opensockets” and a socket is open, 65463. Close socket 65463 and put the opensockets again and result is 65466. Close the socket that is opened on startup always results in another socket being opened. This was not the case in 9.6.3 and previous versions. Can someone verify this? Also have checked 10.0 dp 1 and same issue is there. Thanks Rob Eppich ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: open socket on start up and can't close
Hi Rob, > Am 09.12.2021 um 16:18 schrieb RobEppich via use-livecode > : > > Downloaded and run Livecode 9.6.5, type “put the opensockets” and a socket is > open, 65463. Close socket 65463 and put the opensockets again and result is > 65466. > Close the socket that is opened on startup always results in another socket > being opened. This was not the case in 9.6.3 and previous versions. Can > someone verify this? not on my machine: macOS 10.14.6, LC 9.6.5 > Thanks > Rob Eppich Best Klaus -- Klaus Major https://www.major-k.de https://www.major-k.de/bass kl...@major-k.de ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
open socket on start up and can't close
Downloaded and run Livecode 9.6.5, type “put the opensockets” and a socket is open, 65463. Close socket 65463 and put the opensockets again and result is 65466. Close the socket that is opened on startup always results in another socket being opened. This was not the case in 9.6.3 and previous versions. Can someone verify this? Thanks Rob Eppich ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
