date:20131008

Hi,

Can someone advise why 

   answer page setup as sheet
   open printing with dialog as sheet
   if the result is Cancel then exit mouseUp
   print cd barChart from 0,0 to tRight,tBottom + 150
   close printing


is slow when compared to

   answer page setup
   open printing with dialog
   if the result is Cancel then exit mouseUp
   print cd barChart from 0,0 to tRight,tBottom + 150
   close printing

Thanks

Terry

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Re: Printing


Hi Terry,

Which part is slow? The opening of the dialog, preparation of the print 
job, sending the data to the printer, printing itself, or your walk down 
the hall to pick up the paper?


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On 10/8/2013 15:50, Terence Heaford wrote:

Hi,

Can someone advise why

answer page setup as sheet
open printing with dialog as sheet
if the result is Cancel then exit mouseUp
print cd barChart from 0,0 to tRight,tBottom + 150
close printing


is slow when compared to

answer page setup
open printing with dialog
if the result is Cancel then exit mouseUp
print cd barChart from 0,0 to tRight,tBottom + 150
close printing

Thanks

Terry



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Re: Printing

Hi Mark,

When using as sheet it takes an age between the page setup being dismissed 
and the
printing dialog showing.

and then if I open PDF in preview to save paper it takes an age for the preview 
to display.

If I remove as sheet it all happens without any delay at all.

I am thinking that the printing is in Carbon,  whether I use as sheet or not?

I believe the print dialogs are Carbon and not Cocoa?

Could it be there is a delay converting the Carbon dialogs to sheets?

Don't really know just guessing.

My laptops getting a bit long in the tooth 15 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro Late 2008 
unibody
but as the without sheet is OK I don't think it's that.

Any ideas?

Would prefer sheets if possible as the rest of the project uses sheets also.


Thanks

Terry


On 8 Oct 2013, at 14:50, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Can someone advise why 
 
   answer page setup as sheet
   open printing with dialog as sheet
   if the result is Cancel then exit mouseUp
   print cd barChart from 0,0 to tRight,tBottom + 150
   close printing
 
 
 is slow when compared to
 
   answer page setup
   open printing with dialog
   if the result is Cancel then exit mouseUp
   print cd barChart from 0,0 to tRight,tBottom + 150
   close printing
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: Encrypt/decrypt availability in server / devices

2013-10-08 Thread Mike Kerner

Christer,
Actually, come to think of it, encrypting/decrypting on ios requires
mergAES - sorry, I was sleepy yesterday.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Christer Pyyhtiä chris...@mindcrea.comwrote:

 Encrypting both in the device and in LC server makes sense in case you
 have literals in variables you do want to protect.  Typically arrays are
 continuous memroy areas that can be hacked into. There are different needs
 for different types of applications to protect contents. All data and
 processing of data of your customer, either in the device or in server must
 be adequately protected.

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Re: Printing


Hi Terence,

On my even older MacBook, I need to wait about .5 second for each dialog 
to appear as sheet. If I print one single card, it is opened in Preview 
almost instantly. I'm using Mac OS X 10.6.8 today. Which version of OSX 
do you use?


I do notice that sheets slightly slower than normal dialogs. I don't 
know if this has to do with Carbon/Cocoa. How much of a delay do you 
observe?


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On 10/8/2013 16:06, Terence Heaford wrote:

Hi Mark,

When using as sheet it takes an age between the page setup being dismissed 
and the
printing dialog showing.

and then if I open PDF in preview to save paper it takes an age for the preview 
to display.

If I remove as sheet it all happens without any delay at all.

I am thinking that the printing is in Carbon,  whether I use as sheet or not?

I believe the print dialogs are Carbon and not Cocoa?

Could it be there is a delay converting the Carbon dialogs to sheets?

Don't really know just guessing.

My laptops getting a bit long in the tooth 15 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro Late 2008 
unibody
but as the without sheet is OK I don't think it's that.

Any ideas?

Would prefer sheets if possible as the rest of the project uses sheets also.


Thanks

Terry




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set cursor to busy

Well I've been wondering about this feature. I have set cursor to busy
whenever something takes more than a second and I see that interesting
vintage black and white beach ball. That is fine and really a feature
because I'm in the LiveCode developing environment so when LiveCode crashes
then I see the colourful system beach ball spin and I know that is
different than something from my code.

But what about when my code is in a stand-alone? Won't users be confused by
that vintage beach ball? Is there another way to say set cursor to busy?

Perhaps set new system cursor to busy or (for old one) set system 8
cursor to busy?

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Re: Printing

I've also noticed that my walk down the hall is decidedly slower but
luckily I get all my news digitally.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Mark Schonewille
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:

Hi Terence,

On my even older MacBook, I need to wait about .5 second for each dialog
to appear as sheet. If I print one single card, it is opened in Preview
almost instantly. I'm using Mac OS X 10.6.8 today. Which version of OSX do
you use?

I do notice that sheets slightly slower than normal dialogs. I don't know
if this has to do with Carbon/Cocoa. How much of a delay do you observe?

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On 10/8/2013 16:06, Terence Heaford wrote:

Hi Mark,

When using as sheet it takes an age between the page setup being
dismissed and the
printing dialog showing.

and then if I open PDF in preview to save paper it takes an age for the
preview to display.

If I remove as sheet it all happens without any delay at all.

I am thinking that the printing is in Carbon, whether I use as sheet
or not?

I believe the print dialogs are Carbon and not Cocoa?

Could it be there is a delay converting the Carbon dialogs to sheets?

Don't really know just guessing.

My laptops getting a bit long in the tooth 15 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro Late
2008 unibody
but as the without sheet is OK I don't think it's that.

Any ideas?

Would prefer sheets if possible as the rest of the project uses sheets
also.

Thanks

Terry

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Re: Printing


Between the print setup and the print dialog:

4 attempts

1 = 8 seconds
2 = 7 seconds
3 = 4 seconds
4 = 5 seconds

Between the print dialog and preview (preview always closed before printing)

1 = 5 seconds
2 = 6 seconds
3 = 4 seconds
4 = 1 second

Mountain Lion 10.8.5

Thanks

Terry



On 8 Oct 2013, at 15:16, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com 
wrote:

 Hi Terence,
 
 On my even older MacBook, I need to wait about .5 second for each dialog to 
 appear as sheet. If I print one single card, it is opened in Preview almost 
 instantly. I'm using Mac OS X 10.6.8 today. Which version of OSX do you use?
 
 I do notice that sheets slightly slower than normal dialogs. I don't know if 
 this has to do with Carbon/Cocoa. How much of a delay do you observe?
 
 --
 Best regards,
 
 Mark Schonewille
 
 Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 KvK: 50277553
 
 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour 
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 http://qery.us/3fi
 
 Fill out this survey please
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 On 10/8/2013 16:06, Terence Heaford wrote:
 Hi Mark,
 
 When using as sheet it takes an age between the page setup being dismissed 
 and the
 printing dialog showing.
 
 and then if I open PDF in preview to save paper it takes an age for the 
 preview to display.
 
 If I remove as sheet it all happens without any delay at all.
 
 I am thinking that the printing is in Carbon,  whether I use as sheet or 
 not?
 
 I believe the print dialogs are Carbon and not Cocoa?
 
 Could it be there is a delay converting the Carbon dialogs to sheets?
 
 Don't really know just guessing.
 
 My laptops getting a bit long in the tooth 15 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro Late 2008 
 unibody
 but as the without sheet is OK I don't think it's that.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Would prefer sheets if possible as the rest of the project uses sheets also.
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Terry
 
 
 
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Re: set cursor to busy

Hi.


If you think your users are skittish that way, why not roll your own? A handful 
of small images that cycle around? 



Craig Newman


-Original Message-
From: william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19 am
Subject: set cursor to busy


Well I've been wondering about this feature. I have set cursor to busy
whenever something takes more than a second and I see that interesting
vintage black and white beach ball. That is fine and really a feature
because I'm in the LiveCode developing environment so when LiveCode crashes
then I see the colourful system beach ball spin and I know that is
different than something from my code.

But what about when my code is in a stand-alone? Won't users be confused by
that vintage beach ball? Is there another way to say set cursor to busy?

Perhaps set new system cursor to busy or (for old one) set system 8
cursor to busy?

Any ideas?

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Re: Printing


Out of interest I get this in the console log not every time I print but most.

It may or may not be relevant.

08/10/2013 16:56:46.685 com.apple.hiservices-xpcservice[3784]: Bug: 12F45: 
liblaunch.dylib + 24032 [2F71CAF8-6524-329E-AC56-C506658B4C0C]: 0x10


Thanks

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Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield

2013-10-08 Thread Dr. Hawkins

On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:


 On 9/21/13 10:31 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 When a user clicks on something to go to another record, closeField does
 not get sent to the selectedField, and any changes are lost.

 I've tried solving this with a focus on nothing, but that doesn't
 provoke
 the closeField message.  Shouldn't it?

 Is there anything other than sending a tabKey to the selectedField that
 works


 Try select empty


That, though, physically selects and marks the field.

I'm trying to force a closefield if the field contents have changed but the
feield hasn't been left.   textChanged won't work in this context, as the
usual result should only be changing when the user leaves the field
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Re: New install video for using Valentina Studio and Valentina server

2013-10-08 Thread Mark Wieder

Lynn-

Sunday, October 6, 2013, 7:04:22 PM, you wrote:

 Which Linux distribution would you want such a video to feature (I know what
 the answer would be if I were asking Richard ;-))?

Doesn't much matter to me. I assume this is all from a command line
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Re: set cursor to busy

I was hoping for something that would call the system level busy and thus
would work on all platforms. If I roll a pretty rainbow one which looks
great on the present Mac OS it would fail on the different flavours of
Windows and probably the next MacOS which very likely will feature a flat
beach ball.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi.


 If you think your users are skittish that way, why not roll your own? A
 handful of small images that cycle around?



 Craig Newman


 -Original Message-
 From: william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19 am
 Subject: set cursor to busy


 Well I've been wondering about this feature. I have set cursor to busy
 whenever something takes more than a second and I see that interesting
 vintage black and white beach ball. That is fine and really a feature
 because I'm in the LiveCode developing environment so when LiveCode crashes
 then I see the colourful system beach ball spin and I know that is
 different than something from my code.

 But what about when my code is in a stand-alone? Won't users be confused by
 that vintage beach ball? Is there another way to say set cursor to busy?

 Perhaps set new system cursor to busy or (for old one) set system 8
 cursor to busy?

 Any ideas?

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Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield


Richard.


Not exactly sure what you are looking to do, but couldn't you:



on textChanged

  send closeField to me


end textChanged


-Original Message-
From: Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:


 On 9/21/13 10:31 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 When a user clicks on something to go to another record, closeField does
 not get sent to the selectedField, and any changes are lost.

 I've tried solving this with a focus on nothing, but that doesn't
 provoke
 the closeField message.  Shouldn't it?

 Is there anything other than sending a tabKey to the selectedField that
 works


 Try select empty


That, though, physically selects and marks the field.

I'm trying to force a closefield if the field contents have changed but the
feield hasn't been left.   textChanged won't work in this context, as the
usual result should only be changing when the user leaves the field
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Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield

Scratch that.  I see you want to leave the field, not send the message.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield

On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

 On 9/21/13 10:31 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 When a user clicks on something to go to another record, closeField does
 not get sent to the selectedField, and any changes are lost.

 I've tried solving this with a focus on nothing, but that doesn't
 provoke
 the closeField message.  Shouldn't it?

 Is there anything other than sending a tabKey to the selectedField that
 works

 Try select empty

That, though, physically selects and marks the field.

I'm trying to force a closefield if the field contents have changed but the
feield hasn't been left.   textChanged won't work in this context, as the
usual result should only be changing when the user leaves the field
-- 
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Re: set cursor to busy

2013-10-08 Thread Scott Rossi

Just a suggestion: you might consider using your own custom busy
indicator.  This prevents you from having to match any particular
OS/version.  Just so you know, the beach ball on OS X is usually
associated with non-responsive, so probably not the right message to
send to your users when things are working but busy.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 10/8/13 10:12 AM, william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com wrote:

I was hoping for something that would call the system level busy and
thus
would work on all platforms. If I roll a pretty rainbow one which looks
great on the present Mac OS it would fail on the different flavours of
Windows and probably the next MacOS which very likely will feature a
flat
beach ball.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi.


 If you think your users are skittish that way, why not roll your own? A
 handful of small images that cycle around?



 Craig Newman


 -Original Message-
 From: william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19 am
 Subject: set cursor to busy


 Well I've been wondering about this feature. I have set cursor to busy
 whenever something takes more than a second and I see that interesting
 vintage black and white beach ball. That is fine and really a feature
 because I'm in the LiveCode developing environment so when LiveCode
crashes
 then I see the colourful system beach ball spin and I know that is
 different than something from my code.

 But what about when my code is in a stand-alone? Won't users be
confused by
 that vintage beach ball? Is there another way to say set cursor to
busy?

 Perhaps set new system cursor to busy or (for old one) set system 8
 cursor to busy?

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Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield

I'm sure this could be shorter, but it works.

on textChanged
   put the botRight of me into tCorner
   put  (item 1 of tCorner)+5  ,  (item 2 of tCorner)+5 into
tOutsideThisField
  click at tOutsideThisField
end textChanged

~Roger


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 Scratch that.  I see you want to leave the field, not send the message.


 Craig



 -Original Message-
 From: Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 12:25 pm
 Subject: Re: focus on nothing not resulting in closefield


 On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:

 
  On 9/21/13 10:31 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
 
  When a user clicks on something to go to another record, closeField does
  not get sent to the selectedField, and any changes are lost.
 
  I've tried solving this with a focus on nothing, but that doesn't
  provoke
  the closeField message.  Shouldn't it?
 
  Is there anything other than sending a tabKey to the selectedField that
  works
 
 
  Try select empty


 That, though, physically selects and marks the field.

 I'm trying to force a closefield if the field contents have changed but the
 feield hasn't been left.   textChanged won't work in this context, as the
 usual result should only be changing when the user leaves the field
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Re: set cursor to busy

Shoot - I never considered that. I will look on the LiveCode list of
example stacks and see if anyone put one there that I can use.


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote:

 Just a suggestion: you might consider using your own custom busy
 indicator.  This prevents you from having to match any particular
 OS/version.  Just so you know, the beach ball on OS X is usually
 associated with non-responsive, so probably not the right message to
 send to your users when things are working but busy.

 Regards,

 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




 On 10/8/13 10:12 AM, william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com
 wrote:

 I was hoping for something that would call the system level busy and
 thus
 would work on all platforms. If I roll a pretty rainbow one which looks
 great on the present Mac OS it would fail on the different flavours of
 Windows and probably the next MacOS which very likely will feature a
 flat
 beach ball.
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:
 
  Hi.
 
 
  If you think your users are skittish that way, why not roll your own? A
  handful of small images that cycle around?
 
 
 
  Craig Newman
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com
  To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
  Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 11:19 am
  Subject: set cursor to busy
 
 
  Well I've been wondering about this feature. I have set cursor to busy
  whenever something takes more than a second and I see that interesting
  vintage black and white beach ball. That is fine and really a feature
  because I'm in the LiveCode developing environment so when LiveCode
 crashes
  then I see the colourful system beach ball spin and I know that is
  different than something from my code.
 
  But what about when my code is in a stand-alone? Won't users be
 confused by
  that vintage beach ball? Is there another way to say set cursor to
 busy?
 
  Perhaps set new system cursor to busy or (for old one) set system 8
  cursor to busy?
 
  Any ideas?
 
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relative pathnames work on mobile?

2013-10-08 Thread Klaus major-k

Hi friends,

short question, do not have a real device here in the moment...

Suppoesed we have a stack in the folder where a folder images resides,
we can have filenames of images RELATIVE to the stack:
images/subfolder/image.png

Works fine, now my question, does this also work on the mobile platform
if I add the folder images and its subfolders via the Copy files... tab in 
the standalone builder settings?

Or do I need to loop through all images and set hte filenames to the absolute 
path:
- specialfolderpath(engine)  /images/subfolder/image.png
Know what I mean?

Thanks a lot in advance!


Best

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Re: Sending mail from on-rev server

2013-10-08 Thread Pierre Sahores

Christer,

sendMail is back to normal service on the on-rev server witch hosts my 
LC-server apps (pancake).

Regards,
Pierre

Le 7 oct. 2013 à 08:42, Christer Pyyhtiä a écrit :

 Thanks to everyone suggesting solutions to the problem.
 
 Yet the problem is there; the error message is as follows:
 
 /usr/sbin/sendmail: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: 
 failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory
 
 As far as I understand there has been a change in the server (I do not know 
 in which node my domain is), prohibiting the sending.  RR team seems to know 
 something happened, but have not been able to get the capability back.
 
 The RR team has gone totally mute - I just don't know what's going on.  I got 
 a response from Kevin Miller for some days ago promising he'd look into the 
 case, but no echo.
 
 I have been trying to scan all the possible sources without finding out any 
 solution.
 
 rgds christer
 
 
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Re: relative pathnames work on mobile?

2013-10-08 Thread Pierre Sahores

Hi Freund Klaus,

Here is the way it works consistently, at least for me!, on both the iOS and 
Android platforms :

 put imagename.[png|jpeg|…] into url (binfile:  
 specialFolderPath(documents)  /imagename.[png|jpeg|…]
 put imagename.[png|jpeg|…] into url (binfile:  specialFolderPath(cache) 
  /imagename.[png|jpeg|…]

with the iOS option to do/not do :

 if the platform is iphone
 then iphoneSetDoNotBackupFile specialFolderPath(documents)  
 /imagename.[png|jpeg|…], true


Bis bald,

Pierre

Le 8 oct. 2013 à 19:24, Klaus major-k a écrit :

 Hi friends,
 
 short question, do not have a real device here in the moment...
 
 Suppoesed we have a stack in the folder where a folder images resides,
 we can have filenames of images RELATIVE to the stack:
 images/subfolder/image.png
 
 Works fine, now my question, does this also work on the mobile platform
 if I add the folder images and its subfolders via the Copy files... tab 
 in 
 the standalone builder settings?
 
 Or do I need to loop through all images and set hte filenames to the absolute 
 path:
 - specialfolderpath(engine)  /images/subfolder/image.png
 Know what I mean?
 
 Thanks a lot in advance!
 
 
 Best
 
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 kl...@major-k.de
 
 
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Re: relative pathnames work on mobile?

2013-10-08 Thread Klaus major-k

Bonsoir mon ami,

Am 08.10.2013 um 20:33 schrieb Pierre Sahores s...@sahores-conseil.com:

 Hi Freund Klaus,
 
 Here is the way it works consistently, at least for me!, on both the iOS and 
 Android platforms :
 
 put imagename.[png|jpeg|…] into url (binfile:  
 specialFolderPath(documents)  /imagename.[png|jpeg|…]
 put imagename.[png|jpeg|…] into url (binfile:  specialFolderPath(cache) 
  /imagename.[png|jpeg|…]

??? Sorry, no capisce 8-)

Where is a relative pathname here?
I do not want/need to copy the images to another location!

Please read my question again :-)

 with the iOS option to do/not do :
 
 if the platform is iphone
 then iphoneSetDoNotBackupFile specialFolderPath(documents)  
 /imagename.[png|jpeg|…], true

Ah, yes, thnaks, will remeber this one, thanks!

 Bis bald,
 
 Pierre
 
 Le 8 oct. 2013 à 19:24, Klaus major-k a écrit :
 
 Hi friends,
 
 short question, do not have a real device here in the moment...
 
 Suppoesed we have a stack in the folder where a folder images resides,
 we can have filenames of images RELATIVE to the stack:
 images/subfolder/image.png
 
 Works fine, now my question, does this also work on the mobile platform
 if I add the folder images and its subfolders via the Copy files... tab 
 in 
 the standalone builder settings?
 
 Or do I need to loop through all images and set hte filenames to the 
 absolute path:
 - specialfolderpath(engine)  /images/subfolder/image.png
 Know what I mean?
 
 Thanks a lot in advance!

Best

Klaus

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Re: set cursor to busy

2013-10-08 Thread stephen barncard

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:28 AM, william humphrey 
b...@bluewatermaritime.com wrote:

 Shoot - I never considered that. I will look on the LiveCode list of
 example stacks and see if anyone put one there that I can use.


Don't animated cursors still work in Livecode?


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Re: relative pathnames work on mobile?


On 10/8/13 1:49 PM, Klaus major-k wrote:


short question, do not have a real device here in the moment...

Suppoesed we have a stack in the folder where a folder images resides,
we can have filenames of images RELATIVE to the stack:
images/subfolder/image.png

Works fine, now my question, does this also work on the mobile platform
if I add the folder images and its subfolders via the Copy files... tab in
the standalone builder settings?

Or do I need to loop through all images and set hte filenames to the absolute 
path:
- specialfolderpath(engine)  /images/subfolder/image.png
Know what I mean?


I haven't been working on mobile lately, but the defaultfolder on launch 
is the engine folder, so I would think you can use that normally if you 
haven't set the defaultfolder to something else.


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Hacking the GUI

2013-10-08 Thread Richmond


After far too long; a few more features to muck up the Livecode GUI.

The stack is contained in the lc_hacker.livecode.zip file at the RunRev 
Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/


Richmond.

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[OT] web training video delivery - how do YOU do it?


Hi Friends,

If your clients or company deliver web training that includes videos, I 
would greatly appreciate any insight you can share from your experience.


My largest client delivers web training to his customers. His entire 
content development / deployment / management system is built with 
Livecode, and one app uses FFMPEG to render desktop movies (mostly QT) 
for the web (mp4, ogv, webm). That app then uploads content to an on-rev 
server. The server has code that serves the content and collects the 
training results. (To be clear, the training content is a set of web 
pages containing text, video, images and sometimes audio. It's 
interactive. We don't upload a single monolithic 30-minute training 
video, but rather a training title may have any number of smaller videos 
that are available on various pages in the training.)


My client now has a new opportunity to enter US state and fed government 
agencies in a big way. Problem is, they often use IE6/7/8 and are not 
open to change. As you may know, these are THE most problematic browsers 
in existence. We have found it extremely difficult to make all movies 
work all the time in all (IE) browsers. (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, later 
IE browsers are not a problem.)


We're very concerned that we'll blow this opportunity if we can't 
deliver a rock-solid web training experience, specifically the video part.


Do your clients or company have a great way of delivering web training 
that includes videos that always work every time, even in old IEs? If 
so, how do you do it? (Maybe your JS/CSS/HTML is better than ours.) We 
use John Dyer's mediaelement.js http://mediaelementjs.com/ as the core 
of our web video playback.


We're considering ditching our in-house movie rendering process and 
using a media delivery service (like YouTube) for videos. Then the 
training movies would be uploaded to that service, and movies would be 
served from their server. We would use their embedded links and THEY 
would handle browser compatibility. At least that's how we're thinking 
about it. What am I missing? Have you ever done this? What has your 
experience been?


I'm stretching the limits of approved list subject matter with this, but 
here I am anyway. As you can imagine, there is a LOT resting on the way 
we go forward in this. Thanks so much for your time and feedback.


Feel free to contact me off-list as well.

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SQL (this AND that), OR (that AND theOther)

 Having some SQL query troubles...  I need to get results from a long list
in a single query, BUT there are pairs of fields that must match.  Every
pair is a unique pair, aka no duplicates.  If my list contains 50 pair that
are unique, I may only get 30 returned rows, but I need all 50.

This is what I've tried, but SQL strips away my outer parens, making my AND
less binding for the pair.

WHERE
  ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
  ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
  ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Smart'))

~Roger
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Re: relative pathnames work on mobile?

2013-10-08 Thread Klaus major-k

Hi Jaqueline,

Am 08.10.2013 um 22:18 schrieb J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com:

 On 10/8/13 1:49 PM, Klaus major-k wrote:
 
 short question, do not have a real device here in the moment...
 
 Suppoesed we have a stack in the folder where a folder images resides,
 we can have filenames of images RELATIVE to the stack:
 images/subfolder/image.png
 
 Works fine, now my question, does this also work on the mobile platform
 if I add the folder images and its subfolders via the Copy files... tab 
 in
 the standalone builder settings?
 
 Or do I need to loop through all images and set hte filenames to the 
 absolute path:
 - specialfolderpath(engine)  /images/subfolder/image.png
 Know what I mean?
 
 I haven't been working on mobile lately, but the defaultfolder on launch is 
 the engine folder,
 so I would think you can use that normally if you haven't set the 
 defaultfolder to something else.

yes, makes sense, thanks!

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 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

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Passive Shell Commands

I'm sending a shell command which is taking a long time.  I'd like to 
send it in a way so scripts continue to run while the shell command runs 
in the background.  I believe this is called 'passive mode', not sure.  
Anyway, any ideas?


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Re: PDF to Image Conversion

The only way I know to do so is via a QuickTime Player object.  This 
works somewhat well on a Mac and not at all on Windows when it comes to 
going through all the pages and capturing the image data.


On 10/7/2013 8:51 PM, william humphrey wrote:

Can PDF's be embedded in a Livecode card like a png or jpg can now?


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Ray Horsley r...@linkit.com wrote:


This seems like such an old topic but I've yet to find a good solution.
  Quicktime works in a limited way and it's also a Mac only solution.
  Regarding cross platform solutions I believe Imagick requires GhostScript
which could present both licensing issues as well as a complicated
installer procedure.  It would be great to see something in the Livecode
store which simply accepts a shell command supplying a path to a PDF, a
path to a folder and a quality of say 1 to 10- or something.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Ray
LinkIt! Software

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Re: SQL (this AND that), OR (that AND theOther)

2013-10-08 Thread John Craig


For clarity, can you post the entire query?


On 08/10/2013 21:52, Roger Eller wrote:

  Having some SQL query troubles...  I need to get results from a long list
in a single query, BUT there are pairs of fields that must match.  Every
pair is a unique pair, aka no duplicates.  If my list contains 50 pair that
are unique, I may only get 30 returned rows, but I need all 50.

This is what I've tried, but SQL strips away my outer parens, making my AND
less binding for the pair.

WHERE
   ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
   ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
   ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
   ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Smart'))

~Roger
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adding points

2013-10-08 Thread proth...@earthednet.org

Folks:
The documentation says that you can add points. If I do:
put 10,10 - 5,5
I get 10,5,5

This is pretty useless. 
Bill

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Re: Passive Shell Commands

Use open process for neither

Cheers

Monte

On 09/10/2013, at 8:19 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:

 I'm sending a shell command which is taking a long time.  I'd like to send it 
 in a way so scripts continue to run while the shell command runs in the 
 background.  I believe this is called 'passive mode', not sure.  Anyway, any 
 ideas?

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Re: adding points


Hi Bill,

Before returning the value, the engine interpretes all items of your 
string. 10-5 returns 5, obviously.


What exactly is it that you are trying to do?

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On 10/8/2013 23:55, proth...@earthednet.org wrote:

Folks:
The documentation says that you can add points. If I do:
put 10,10 - 5,5
I get 10,5,5

This is pretty useless.
Bill

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Re: adding points

Hi. Do you mean you want to modify the points of a graphic?


This is a return delimited list of ordered pairs, like:




100,100
150.150
200,200


As Mark pointed out, you have an expression that resolves itself before 
anything else happens. Did you mean:


10,10
-5,5


???


In any case, the various points have to be two integers separated by a comma 
and delimited by returns. Your original string had three items in it, the 
middle item being evaluated arithmetically. Another way to look at this is that 
you needed four items.


Craig Newman



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From: prothero proth...@earthednet.org
To: Use-livecode Use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 5:55 pm
Subject: adding points


Folks:
The documentation says that you can add points. If I do:
put 10,10 - 5,5
I get 10,5,5

This is pretty useless. 
Bill

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Re: Hacking the GUI

2013-10-08 Thread proth...@earthednet.org

Folks:
The documentation says that you can add points. If I do:
put 10,10 - 5,5
I get 10,5,5

This is pretty useless. Is there a use for this? I'd like to have a quick way 
of adding and subtracting points without doing it item by item.

I'm using version 6.1.1
Bill

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Re: Printing


Hi Terence,

I did a test in Lion and I observe exactly the same problem. It takes up 
to 5 seconds to see the page setup dialog, up to 10 seconds to get to 
the printing dialog and another 6 seconds before LiveCode starts 
preparing the print job. I don't have this problem in Snow Leopard.


I presume it is a LiveCode bug and I can imagine that this is 
frustrating if you need to print a lot.


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On 10/8/2013 17:58, Terence Heaford wrote:


Out of interest I get this in the console log not every time I print but most.

It may or may not be relevant.

08/10/2013 16:56:46.685 com.apple.hiservices-xpcservice[3784]: Bug: 12F45: 
liblaunch.dylib + 24032 [2F71CAF8-6524-329E-AC56-C506658B4C0C]: 0x10


Thanks

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Re: Hacking the GUI

2013-10-08 Thread Alex Tweedly

I don't believe you can do that, I've always just added item by item - 
but I could easily be wrong.

It may be as simple as needing parenthesis or quotes or something similar.
 Can you be more explicit about where in the docs it says you can ?

Thanks
-- Alex.

On 08/10/2013 23:52, proth...@earthednet.org wrote:

Folks:
The documentation says that you can add points. If I do:
put 10,10 - 5,5
I get 10,5,5

This is pretty useless. Is there a use for this? I'd like to have a quick way 
of adding and subtracting points without doing it item by item.

I'm using version 6.1.1
Bill

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Re: [OT] web training video delivery - how do YOU do it?

2013-10-08 Thread Paul Looney


On Oct 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

 I would greatly appreciate any insight you can share from your experience.


Phil,

I'll let the wiser people on this list comment on the technical aspects of your 
question.

My experience is that it is better to make a good product for a smaller market 
rather than a marginal product for a larger market.
If your product is good, word will spread. And your market will grow.
If your product is compromised, for whatever reason (even if it is not directly 
related to your product - like the browser on which it is used), that word will 
also spread. And you will be fighting that reputation with every new sale you 
attempt.
***
A related question: if your potential buyers will not invest in a contemporary 
browser (which offers them many benefits for a minimal cost), why do you 
believe they will spend their money on your training system?

Paul Looney
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Re: SQL (this AND that), OR (that AND theOther)

John - Essentially, the queries are like this:  If there are 13 pair of
'AND' criteria, I would expect 13 rows of data to be returned.  The user
can exist multiple times, but each car is unique.  In fact, car could be a
unique number like a VIN.

My goal is to submit only 1 query, built from a list of (user AND car), and
get back 1 row for each pair.  I'm not locked in to using OR if there is a
better way.

SELECT * FROM myDatabase WHERE
 ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
 ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Smart')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Volkswagon')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Honda')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Hyundai')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Dodge')) OR
 ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Saturn')) OR
 ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'BMW')) OR
 ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Jaguar'))
ORDER BY car DESC

~Roger


On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM, John Craig j...@splash21.com wrote:

 For clarity, can you post the entire query?



 On 08/10/2013 21:52, Roger Eller wrote:

   Having some SQL query troubles...  I need to get results from a long
 list
 in a single query, BUT there are pairs of fields that must match.  Every
 pair is a unique pair, aka no duplicates.  If my list contains 50 pair
 that
 are unique, I may only get 30 returned rows, but I need all 50.

 This is what I've tried, but SQL strips away my outer parens, making my
 AND
 less binding for the pair.

 WHERE
((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Smart'))

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Re: Hacking the GUI

2013-10-08 Thread Earthednet-wp

The docs under point, in the docs accessed through the script editor mention 
adding points.
Bill

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http://es.earthednet.org

On Oct 8, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote:

 I don't believe you can do that, I've always just added item by item - but I 
 could easily be wrong.
 It may be as simple as needing parenthesis or quotes or something similar.
 Can you be more explicit about where in the docs it says you can ?
 
 Thanks
 -- Alex.
 
 On 08/10/2013 23:52, proth...@earthednet.org wrote:
 Folks:
 The documentation says that you can add points. If I do:
 put 10,10 - 5,5
 I get 10,5,5
 
 This is pretty useless. Is there a use for this? I'd like to have a quick 
 way of adding and subtracting points without doing it item by item.
 
 I'm using version 6.1.1
 Bill
 
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Re: SQL (this AND that), OR (that AND theOther)

I didn't give you a good example.  I didn't mean to have Ford and Chevy
listed twice.  The car is unique.

In hindsight, it would have been clearer to have car AND uniqueOwnerID as
the example field names.

~Roger
On Oct 8, 2013 8:39 PM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote:

 John - Essentially, the queries are like this:  If there are 13 pair of
 'AND' criteria, I would expect 13 rows of data to be returned.  The user
 can exist multiple times, but each car is unique.  In fact, car could be a
 unique number like a VIN.

 My goal is to submit only 1 query, built from a list of (user AND car),
 and get back 1 row for each pair.  I'm not locked in to using OR if there
 is a better way.

 SELECT * FROM myDatabase WHERE
  ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
  ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Smart')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Volkswagon')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Honda')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Hyundai')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Dodge')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Saturn')) OR
  ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'BMW')) OR
  ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Jaguar'))
 ORDER BY car DESC

 ~Roger


 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM, John Craig j...@splash21.com wrote:

 For clarity, can you post the entire query?



 On 08/10/2013 21:52, Roger Eller wrote:

   Having some SQL query troubles...  I need to get results from a long
 list
 in a single query, BUT there are pairs of fields that must match.  Every
 pair is a unique pair, aka no duplicates.  If my list contains 50 pair
 that
 are unique, I may only get 30 returned rows, but I need all 50.

 This is what I've tried, but SQL strips away my outer parens, making my
 AND
 less binding for the pair.

 WHERE
((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Smart'))

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Re: Hacking the GUI


On 09/10/2013, at 11:51 AM, Earthednet-wp wrote:

 The docs under point, in the docs accessed through the script editor 
 mention adding points.

It doesn't mention doing what you are proposing. It talks about how the engine 
evaluates what is and isn't a point. In the example the addition in 22+3,23 is 
calculated before the engine works out if it's a point to 25,23. However 
22+3,23 is just treated as a string and therefore not a point.

I like your idea but it would lead to ambiguous code: should 2,2 + 3,3 evaluate 
to 5,5 or 2,5,3 ?

It would work in the add, subtract, multiply, divide commands though assuming 
they aren't coupled to +,-,*,/

add 5 to 2 -- 7
add 5 to 2,3 -- 7,8
add 5,2 to 2,3 --7,5

The same would work for rects.. indeed as long as the number of items either 
match or what you are adding, subtracting, multiplying by or dividing by is a 
number. A nice idea that would be good to discuss on the engine list.

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Re: [OT] web training video delivery - how do YOU do it?


On 10/8/13 6:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote:


A related question:
if your potential buyers will not invest in a contemporary browser
(which offers them many benefits for a minimal cost), why do you
believe they will spend their money on your training system?


It's for a government contract. The government may be willing to 
purchase a product but isn't willing to approve a newer OS, so the 
victi-- er, the users, are stuck with old browsers. So basically to win 
the contract the software has to support everything or lose out.


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Re: SQL (this AND that), OR (that AND theOther)

According to this, UNION might get the results I am looking for, but will
be less efficient than a single SELECT.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/542705/how-do-i-combine-2-select-statements-into-one

~Roger
On Oct 8, 2013 8:39 PM, Roger Eller roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote:

 John - Essentially, the queries are like this:  If there are 13 pair of
 'AND' criteria, I would expect 13 rows of data to be returned.  The user
 can exist multiple times, but each car is unique.  In fact, car could be a
 unique number like a VIN.

 My goal is to submit only 1 query, built from a list of (user AND car),
 and get back 1 row for each pair.  I'm not locked in to using OR if there
 is a better way.

 SELECT * FROM myDatabase WHERE
  ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
  ((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Smart')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Volkswagon')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Honda')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Hyundai')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Dodge')) OR
  ((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Saturn')) OR
  ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'BMW')) OR
  ((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Jaguar'))
 ORDER BY car DESC

 ~Roger


 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM, John Craig j...@splash21.com wrote:

 For clarity, can you post the entire query?



 On 08/10/2013 21:52, Roger Eller wrote:

   Having some SQL query troubles...  I need to get results from a long
 list
 in a single query, BUT there are pairs of fields that must match.  Every
 pair is a unique pair, aka no duplicates.  If my list contains 50 pair
 that
 are unique, I may only get 30 returned rows, but I need all 50.

 This is what I've tried, but SQL strips away my outer parens, making my
 AND
 less binding for the pair.

 WHERE
((user = 'Joe') AND (car = 'Ford')) OR
((user = 'John') AND (car = 'Chevy')) OR
((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Kia')) OR
((user = 'Jim') AND (car = 'Smart'))

 ~Roger
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Re: Hacking the GUI


On 10/8/13 7:51 PM, Earthednet-wp wrote:

The docs under point, in the docs accessed through the script editor mention 
adding points.


The docs say:
The points of a graphic is a list of points (two integers separated by a 
comma), one per line


In your example you have three integers on a line, and one of them is a 
math operation: 10,10 - 5,5


Maybe you meant this:

10,10
-5,5

I couldn't see where the docs say you can add points, but it's true 
that you can. It doesn't mean math though, it means you can insert 
additional lines in the list. You could extend the list like this:


10,10
-5,5
0,0
10,10

Are you trying to script a graphic object? That's what the points do.

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Re: [OT] web training video delivery - how do YOU do it?



On 10/8/13 4:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote:

On Oct 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Phil Davis wrote:


I would greatly appreciate any insight you can share from your experience.


Phil,

I'll let the wiser people on this list comment on the technical aspects of your 
question.

My experience is that it is better to make a good product for a smaller market 
rather than a marginal product for a larger market.
If your product is good, word will spread. And your market will grow.
If your product is compromised, for whatever reason (even if it is not directly 
related to your product - like the browser on which it is used), that word will 
also spread. And you will be fighting that reputation with every new sale you 
attempt.


Well said.

***
A related question: if your potential buyers will not invest in a contemporary 
browser (which offers them many benefits for a minimal cost), why do you 
believe they will spend their money on your training system?


Uhh, Paul... it's the government.  ;-)

Their computer and internet experience tends to be a direct outcome of 
decisions by their IT people. For example, the computers in some (many?) 
agencies run virtualized systems, and don't allow anything to be 
installed on a computer by its user. Hence web delivery of training in 
my case.




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Re: Hacking the GUI


On 10/8/13 9:17 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Maybe you meant this:

10,10
-5,5


I think my answer was condescending, I apologize. Monte's is better.

The dictionary in 6.1.1 doesn't have an example of addition in the 
points entry. Is that in a different version's dictionary?


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Re: Hacking the GUI


On 09/10/2013, at 1:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 I think my answer was condescending, I apologize.

Maybe I read a different answer ;-)
 
 The dictionary in 6.1.1 doesn't have an example of addition in the points 
 entry. Is that in a different version's dictionary?

It's the point entry not the points entry.

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Re: Hacking the GUI


On 10/8/13 9:29 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:


On 09/10/2013, at 1:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


I think my answer was condescending, I apologize.


Maybe I read a different answer ;-)


The dictionary in 6.1.1 doesn't have an example of addition in the points 
entry. Is that in a different version's dictionary?


It's the point entry not the points entry.



Aha. Thanks, found it.

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Re: [OT] web training video delivery - how do YOU do it?


I see you've been there, Jacque.

Phil


On 10/8/13 7:10 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 10/8/13 6:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote:


A related question:
if your potential buyers will not invest in a contemporary browser
(which offers them many benefits for a minimal cost), why do you
believe they will spend their money on your training system?


It's for a government contract. The government may be willing to 
purchase a product but isn't willing to approve a newer OS, so the 
victi-- er, the users, are stuck with old browsers. So basically to 
win the contract the software has to support everything or lose out.




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Re: Passive Shell Commands

First time using open process for me.  Fascinating!  Thanks Monte. Not 
quite sure on the write and read syntax.


My original shell command which works fine is:
   get shell(appPath srcPath trgPath)
where the app is a command line utility which converts a PDF file to 
multiple JPEG's


I can't get the app to show up in 'the openProcess' using the 'neither' 
option.  When I call 'open process appPath for update' it works fine, 
but then how would I send the open process a command to start the 
conversion?



On 10/8/2013 6:00 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

Use open process for neither

Cheers

Monte

On 09/10/2013, at 8:19 AM, Ray Horsley wrote:


I'm sending a shell command which is taking a long time.  I'd like to send it 
in a way so scripts continue to run while the shell command runs in the 
background.  I believe this is called 'passive mode', not sure.  Anyway, any 
ideas?

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On 09/10/2013, at 1:45 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:

 First time using open process for me.  Fascinating!  Thanks Monte. Not quite 
 sure on the write and read syntax.
 
 My original shell command which works fine is:
   get shell(appPath srcPath trgPath)
 where the app is a command line utility which converts a PDF file to multiple 
 JPEG's
 
 I can't get the app to show up in 'the openProcess' using the 'neither' 
 option.  When I call 'open process appPath for update' it works fine, but 
 then how would I send the open process a command to start the conversion?

Ah, I assumed you didn't need to read from the process. If you don't need to 
read or know when it's done then:
open process appPath srcPath trgPath for neither

If you need to know when it's done then something like this should do it 
(untested hacking in email client)

put appPath srcPath trgPath into tProcess
open process tProcess for read
send ReadProcess tProcess to me in 0 milliseconds

on ReadProcess pProcess
  local tOut
  repeat
 read from process pProcess in 5 milliseconds
 put it after tOut
 wait 20 milliseconds with messages
 if the result is eof then
close process pProcess
exit repeat
 end if
  end repeat
  PDFExported tOut
end ReadProcess

on PDFExported pOutput
  -- let the user know
end PDFExported

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Re: Passive Shell Commands


Ahh!  Now it's really working well.

Monte, thanks.  Very helpful.

Ray

On 10/8/2013 10:57 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

On 09/10/2013, at 1:45 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:


First time using open process for me.  Fascinating!  Thanks Monte. Not quite 
sure on the write and read syntax.

My original shell command which works fine is:
   get shell(appPath srcPath trgPath)
where the app is a command line utility which converts a PDF file to multiple 
JPEG's

I can't get the app to show up in 'the openProcess' using the 'neither' option. 
 When I call 'open process appPath for update' it works fine, but then how 
would I send the open process a command to start the conversion?

Ah, I assumed you didn't need to read from the process. If you don't need to 
read or know when it's done then:
open process appPath srcPath trgPath for neither

If you need to know when it's done then something like this should do it 
(untested hacking in email client)

put appPath srcPath trgPath into tProcess
open process tProcess for read
send ReadProcess tProcess to me in 0 milliseconds

on ReadProcess pProcess
   local tOut
   repeat
  read from process pProcess in 5 milliseconds
  put it after tOut
  wait 20 milliseconds with messages
  if the result is eof then
 close process pProcess
 exit repeat
  end if
   end repeat
   PDFExported tOut
end ReadProcess

on PDFExported pOutput
   -- let the user know
end PDFExported

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Re: [OT] web training video delivery - how do YOU do it?


On 10/8/13 9:37 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

I see you've been there, Jacque.


Well, I was asked to go there. When I found out how it worked, I didn't. :)

I do not envy you.



Phil


On 10/8/13 7:10 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 10/8/13 6:57 PM, Paul Looney wrote:


A related question:
if your potential buyers will not invest in a contemporary browser
(which offers them many benefits for a minimal cost), why do you
believe they will spend their money on your training system?


It's for a government contract. The government may be willing to
purchase a product but isn't willing to approve a newer OS, so the
victi-- er, the users, are stuck with old browsers. So basically to
win the contract the software has to support everything or lose out.






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Sharing iPhone internet connection

2013-10-08 Thread Tariel Gogoberidze


Well, if you are developing in iOS and have apple developer certificate, it 
seems to be easy to avoid extra charge for tethering and make your own App that 
shares your iPhone internet connection though HTTP and a SOCKS proxy..

https://github.com/tcurdt/iProxy/wiki

Apple store will not accept such app, but you can use it for yourself and your  
friends and  it's perfectly legal…

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/how-i-share-my-iphones-internet-connection-without-paying-verizon-extra/
 

regards
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