Re: Valentina
Bob, Check out Trevor Devore's DB library. A database abstraction library written in Transcript: http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/ libDatabase 2.0 - Tested with altSQLite 2 and 3, MySQL, PostGreSQL, Valentina 1.x local. Prelinary testing done for Valentina 2.x local/server. Download stack, Getting Started pdf and documentation. 2.0.2.9 It spoke to me well, and enabled me to 'get on with the interface'. After using it once I donated immediately - but they're free - no obligation. Actually the S in SQL stands for 'Structured' not Simple. sqb Hi all. Is anyone with something less than a doctorate in highly complex programming languages using Valentina succesfully? What I am looking for is something I can use to EASILY create indexed tables and then quickly find, edit and update those tables. I know SQL has become the standard way of doing things, but the S is ANYTHING but SIMPLE, especially when it comes to querys. Maybe it's just the manuals are not very clear. I get most of it in principle, but I simply cannot take the time to learn a few hundred more functions at this point. I need to get to work on the INTERFACE. To do that, I need to make tables for the data. I will need to do that programmatically later. I suppose if someone knows a better reference for Valentina then those horribly writtten manuals they provide it would be a HUGE start! Otherwise I am going to have to write off the money I spent for Valentina and find something else. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
On Apr 7, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: How about this code: on mouseUp -- display the date answer the date with OK end mouseUp Just thought I would make your day. ;-) On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: To be fair, Geoff had a smiley in his post, so I think he deserves some slack cut here. But I can think of several scenarios where this will fail. You are of course correct -- it was intended humorously. That said, I was also trying to point out that at a fine enough granularity, code _can_ be bug free. But now you have me doubting myself: how could this fail? There is the obvious possibility -- the developer could forget to include the answer dialog when building an app. But I don't think that qualifies as a bug in the code. You could get a date format you're unfamiliar with on a computer set to a different nationality than you expect, but that would still be a valid date, which is all the single-comment spec calls for. So tell me what could go wrong? ;-) regards, Geoff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
Chipp wrote: Lynn Fredricks wrote: If someone has a EULA linked to a particular version of the engine that expressly allows this, send it to me ASAP - I am easily convinced by previously issued EULAs. 7for7 From the website Richard pointed you to: It can be used to run .mt scripts similar to the way the UNIX engines run them, and so can be used to develop CGI applications on Win32 systems with HTTP servers that support stdio-based communication. As is the case for UNIX console-mode development, there are no script length limits in this engine, and use of this engine free but unsupported. Probably a good thing to know. I didn't. A lot of us MC users did. I had occasion to mention this very specifically to Lynn recently, more than once. Not sure why he said he wasn't familiar with it; maybe he just suffers from what Dan and I can call Rev List Subscriber Memory Disorder. ;) Most of the engine changes since the older version at ftp.metacard.com have been for native appearances and other goodies that have no effect when running in faceless mode. Also, MetaCard Corp. supported far more platforms than RunRev, so if your server runs Solaris, BSD, or one of the other flavors Rev is no longer compiled for you can still enjoy Transcript on your server with the old tried-and-true engine. What a great way to evangelize Transcript: the moment you want to make GUI admin tools or desktop apps, you already know the language. Dr. Raney had some insight! So Andre, how's that web app framework coming? The irony of all this is that it's been sitting there virtually untapped for years, and only when someone breathes new life into the ultra-niche-and-once-nearly-forgotten Ruby with the new-agey Rails do we finally take a fresh look at the legacy Raney left for us so long ago in our own native tongue. I've been using Transcript as my language-of-choice on my servers since before RunRev Ltd. was born. It's nice that the world is finally changing so I no longer feel the need to apologize for that choice (remember the '90s when people wrote web apps in C? E). PS: What is eurotalk? It's been added to the public directory at ftp://runrev.com/pub/ but it's too big to download conveniently. Did I miss a press release? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Valentina
On 4/8/06 8:44 AM, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Is anyone with something less than a doctorate in highly complex programming languages using Valentina succesfully? What I am looking for is something I can use to EASILY create indexed tables and then quickly find, edit and update those tables. I know SQL has become the standard way of doing things, but the S is ANYTHING but SIMPLE, especially when it comes to querys. Maybe it's just the manuals are not very clear. I get most of it in principle, but I simply cannot take the time to learn a few hundred more functions at this point. I need to get to work on the INTERFACE. To do that, I need to make tables for the data. I will need to do that programmatically later. I suppose if someone knows a better reference for Valentina then those horribly writtten manuals they provide it would be a HUGE start! Otherwise I am going to have to write off the money I spent for Valentina and find something else. Robert, Actually no need to learn hundreds functions on start. Yes Valentina Is quite complex and feature reach. So if you are new to database development you can be stunned. I have not catch if you know SQL good? Assume yes. To give you direction. Template if you want I will use just pseudo-language - 1) Create database object db = Database_New 2) Create db on disk: Database_Creaate( db, path ) 3) Create Table Database_SqlExecute( db, CREATE TABLE T1 (id ulong) ) 3) insert records Database_SqlExecute( db, INSERT INTO T1 (id) VALUES (1) ) Database_SqlExecute( db, INSERT INTO T1 (id) VALUES (2) ) Database_SqlExecute( db, INSERT INTO T1 (id) VALUES (3) ) 4) Update Records Database_SqlExecute( db, UPDATE T1 SET id = 55 WERE id = 1 ) 5) Search table curs = Database_SqlSelect( db, SELECT * FROM T1 ) ... Cursor_Destory( curs ) 6) Close database Database_Close( db ) - You still think anything hard here? I hope no :-) This is SQL Way of Valentina which support usually all other dbs. Just for info: Valentina in contrast also offer API way of coding and Class way (for OO languages). Revolution is not so much OO language (YET I hope). I should admit that e.g. REALBasic and c++ users of Valentina in 90% case-sensitive prefer Class-way of development. The main with Valentina - we always give to developer a CHOICE. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
On 08/04/2006, at 16:36, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So tell me what could go wrong? ;-) You are limiting yourself to the code, where bugs can have the forms of user requirements, specification and documentation as well as coding. In this case, the user may have wanted to know the date in long form ;-) However, your code snippet as written does indeed have a bug. If I run it here, I see the answer 4/8/06 which I consider an absurd answer and very clearly a bug. In Australia, it is not yet August. cheers David regards, Geoff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Valentina
Hi Robert, Additionally: If talk about Valentina you need first of all do ValentinaInit() When you finish work you do Valentina_ShutDown. Also I wonder, have you see TUTORIAL of Valentina for Revolution? It seems you have stick into REFERENCE of V4REV. I am sure, it make the simplest introduction in 3 simple lessons how to use Valentina. IF you will be able point us how to make it even more simple it will be great. - 1) Create database object db = Database_New 2) Create db on disk: Database_Creaate( db, path ) 3) Create Table Database_SqlExecute( db, CREATE TABLE T1 (id ulong) ) 3) insert records Database_SqlExecute( db, INSERT INTO T1 (id) VALUES (1) ) Database_SqlExecute( db, INSERT INTO T1 (id) VALUES (2) ) Database_SqlExecute( db, INSERT INTO T1 (id) VALUES (3) ) 4) Update Records Database_SqlExecute( db, UPDATE T1 SET id = 55 WERE id = 1 ) 5) Search table curs = Database_SqlSelect( db, SELECT * FROM T1 ) ... Cursor_Destory( curs ) 6) Close database Database_Close( db ) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not getting it
On 4/8/06 8:01 AM, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, I know I must sound the newbie, but I read the following in the tutorial: Start of work with Valentina You have to set external references for the stack first. It could be done using Stack Property Inspector. Here you just need to define the path to the V4REV_win.dll and(or) to the V4REV_Macho depends on OS target you wish to use. In order to start you should initialize Valentina with the help of Valentina_Init() function. It could be done in on openCard event, for example. To do this you should make the following: Choose Edit Card Script from the card popup menu. Write the following text: on OpenCard get Valentina_Init( 10 * 1024 * 1024 ) end OpenCard What specifically, do you MEAN by, You have to set external references for the stack first? What external reference, and why?? Actually this is question about REVOLUTION itself. You use REVOLUTION IDE. Valentina is not part of Revolution. As well mySQL, Postgre, ... To be able use Valentina, mySQL, Postgre you need some EXTERNAL. (i.e. plugin) If you work on Windows this is V4REV_win.dll If you work on MAC this is V4REV_Macho To be able see plugins which a stack need you MUST specify reference to required external. This was for ever. In Metacard and in Revolution. I believe this should be described in the docs of Revolution. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not getting it
On 4/8/06 8:01 AM, Robert Sneidar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, -- It could be done using Stack Property Inspector. Here you just need to define the path to the V4REV_win.dll and(or) to the V4REV_Macho depends on OS target you wish to use. In order to start you should initialize Valentina with the help of Valentina_Init() function. -- Are you saying I have to create a custom property with the path to the valentina functions? What should I name the property?? NO Are you saying I have to insert the V4REV_Macho into the command hierarchy? NO What EXACTLY am I supposed to do?? I call Valentina_Init(10 * 1024 * 1024) and I just get a script error! I, being a dolt, need a step by step list of things to do to get a blank Revolution stack prepped to work with databases. Okay let's try to see what is not clear. It seems you are newbie to Revolution itself. It says It could be done using Stack Property Inspector * You have some stack open, right? * do right mouse click and choose Stack Property Inspector you will see Stack Property Inspector Window. * in its top menu choose External References * here you can see button with Folder. Click it, and choose V4REV_macho Now it is listed in list of references. If you open V4RB Examples project and check this, you will see here V4REV_2\V4REV_win.dll V4REV_2/V4REV_Macho NOW Revolution will see Valentina functions. P.S. I also recommend to use Trevor's library People says a lots of good thing about it -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: dreamhost and Rev CGI?
Thanks to all who posted on this topic. I got Rev CGI working on my Dreamhost account. (Debian Linux) I downloaded the 2.5.1 Linux installer from runrev.com, gunzipped untarred it locally. My testing tonight tells me that I probably could have then simply uploaded the engine only - revolution.x86 - to my server, into the same directory as my CGI scripts that use it (not technically required, but it simplifies things a little). Then fire away! I started with a bare-bones script that I'm still changing re-uploading to see what else I can learn. Among other things, I discovered that I'm running Rev engine version 2.6.2. HEY, THIS IS FUN! Here's my script: === start after this line === #! ./revolution.x86 -ui on startup put the params = q(the params) cr \ system version = urlDecode(the systemVersion) cr \ version = the version cr \ build = the buildNumber cr \ machine = the machine cr \ into tList get the globals repeat for each item tLine in it put tLine = value(tLine) cr after tList end repeat replace cr with br in tList put Content-Type: text/html cr \ Context-Length: the length of tList cr cr \ Your ip is: $REMOTE_ADDR br \ tList end startup function q pPhrase return quote pPhrase quote end q == end before this line = For those who care, it's stored here for another few days: http://pdslabs.net/rev/test1.cgi?123 Thanks again to all - Phil Davis Dan Shafer wrote: Yep, I'm using what purports to be Linux engine 2.6. Still no joy but I have given up until I get an answer from Dreamhost. On 4/7/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are running 2.6 on linux Fedora Core 3 without any problems... and those libs are definitely not our our box. I just moved to a new server in San Franscisco. it was drag and drop for me. As long as you set permissions correctly it should work. OH! it must be 2.6 and *NOT* 2.6.1 the later requires the libs, the former does not. Andre thought i had done some magic after he spent some hours trying to get it work on our new box.. and just on a hunch I move the one we had on the old box (I figured it was working so it shouldwork on another box...) over to /usr/local/bin/ and CHMOD 755 and CGI began working right away... well guess what: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/cgi-bin/checkRevEngine.cgi 2.6 not 2.6.1 which will fail. if you need the .tar I'm using I can post it to our server (oops is that allowed?) I think I got lucky because I could not find a 2.6 on Rev site onloy 2.6.1 and if I didn't have that old copy we would be in big trouble Sivakatirswami On Apr 07, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: SO I uploaded the Linux 2.6 engine. Now I get even worse results. Attempting to execute the CGI from the Terminal produces a bus error. No other useful information. I'm completely in the dark. A lot of people spend waaay too much time trying to figure out how to get Rev to work on a server. If RunRev Ltd. ever takes an interest in evangelizing the Rev engine as a server solution, they should change it so it no longer requires non-standard libraries it doesn't use. In the meantime, there's always Tierra.net -- sign up and ask to be hosted on server farm 2, which they maintain pre-configured for Rev -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
While I found much to agree with in your post, your gratuitous swipes at the severe cases of denial that key contributers to this list seem to suffer from was one I couldn't let pass without comment. I'm sure I'm on that list. Dan, Very very seriously. While I recognize your intention to be pure, there is no use to answer anything like I couldn't let pass without comment. I'm sure I'm on that list. I am not sure you were on the list... but you if you weren't, you just voluntarily put yourself on it. You are setting up a greater and greater divide between persons who have some valid criticisms to make and persons who refuse to let any single criticism pass without being justified/corrected. Any form of communication contains information. Things are never said to hurt you, at a person level. Things are said to give you some information. If I person end up expressing something that hurt you at a personal level, then it is that something has been going wrong in the communication... and two persons (or more) had been involved in it. You said you have never heard of problems with 2.7 on MacOSX. Some users of osx have already indicated on this list that like me they prefer to keep using 2.6 because they believe 2.7 is not stable enough yet. I don't write it on the list everytime you write that 2.7 is fine on mac osx because, (1) I know that if I do so I will be attacked for doing so (this never fails!) and (2) like many, I by far prefer to make my criticisms in private... I only end up making them public when I have the feeling that my listener doesn't want to hear that he is doing anything wrong... and by doing so is heading in a wall. Like many users on this list, whenever I end up not being able to repress criticisms, is because *I do want runrev to strive* and I feel the need to encourage them to make better decisions. The fact is that many valid points have been made that key contributers to this list have tried to dismissed inappropriately. That's the frustration expressed in the quote above. To present on this list as invalid criticism what is a valid one and to start bitching the user who made such a criticism to try to reveal a weakness in his armour or question his status like has been happening a lot recently is really not the best way to proceed. Let runrev protect themselves Your attitude suggests that you don't trust them for being able to do so. This message you send is more damaging to runrev's reputation than angry comments any unhappy user may make on the list. I understand that many key contributers to this list of this lists have their commercial/personal interests tightly tight up to the ones of runrev and they may feel tempted to defend runrev because defending revolution is defending their own interests. Still, let runrev protect themselves Personally, I do believe they are able to hear valid criticisms and use them for their benefit. With the way key contributers to this list, any criticism is being intercepted and prevented from reaching runrev's support. Only happy or overprotective comments are now authorized on this list. The fact that you currently *forbid* users to make any criticism means that it is about impossible for runrev to realize the extent of the problems. And this makes it impossible for them to FIX the problem. On top, intercepting and dismissing criticisms increases rather than decreases the occurence of angry comments on the list. This is a very very unhealthy communication process. The user who made the criticism starts to feel more and more frustrated as he has no place to express problems that nag him. He knows he is not supposed to make criticism on the list and he starts boiling. At one point, he cannot hold it anymore and erupt on the list. This was expressed by David Burgun recently. There will be less eruptions if users who have things that nag them are authorized to make the problems that nag them known and be reassured that the situation will improve. I had some mishaps a month ago. Now I have much evidence that they are moving forward, in the right direction, and acting on the criticisms made to them. Heather recently posted an email reminding users of the best ways to make their reasons to be unhappy to runrev's support and so doing reassure users that they are very welcome (even invited) to make them aware of any problem with their product. Ken kindly offered a new version of his revzilla application (http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/ RevZilla2.htm), which makes reporting problems to runrev a piece of cake. There are some valid criticims made on this list... Presenting them as invalid is not a good option. Bitching the persons who toke the time to make these criticisms is not a good option either. A better option is to acknowledge these criticisms for what they are ...
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Richard, All my thanks for supporting the point on bitching and undermining the reputation of any user who dares to express disatisfaction on the list! That link was not even in Bob's email... nor was the link to his website. Couldn't dream of a better example. Marielle Bob Warren at howsoft.com wrote: Another thing that gets me worked up (but not from your post) is people citing their curriculum vitae before telling us that we ought to swallow great excesses of bugs because somehow it is natural and normal nowadays. [[CV snipped]] Bug report: The link to http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/webed.zip on http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/index.html is 404. Merde happens. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Homepage http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databaseshttp:// lexicall.widged.com/ Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.widged.com/wiki/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
So tell me what could go wrong? ;-) I realised while cooking the salmon this evening (crocodile being off the menu) that Geoff had inadvertently provided a wonderful case study on bugs. Any link to Geoff in the following is purely coincidental and nothing to do with him at all :-) Once upon a time, an aspiring programmer wrote: on mouseUp -- display the date answer the date with OK end mouseUp and released it as shareware. His American audience loved it. He received five star ratings on Versiontracker and plaudits on download.com, so impressed were users at being able to load an application, click a single button and see the date. Most impressive of all, it looked bug free. Then, some old bloke from Australia gave a negative review, declaring the code contained a bug in that the information 4/8/06 for 8 April was simply wrong. A Frenchman wrote to say that the format should be 060408. Both complained that this was a clear-cut bug about which the developer should have known before releasing the software with the documentation Displays the date. Relying on precedents in Gutnick v. Dow Jones, they observed that even though the software was uploaded in America to an American server, it was published in Australia and France where it was read, and therefore subject to those foreign laws of fitness for purpose, with which any judge in those jurisdictions would agree ;-) Therefore, we have an indisputable bug in even this simple application. Now that we know that no code is bug-free, two issues arise, one of morality and one of money. Has the programmer committed an Immoral Act by publishing this software with a bug about which those foreign users believe he should surely have known? What commercial decision should the programmer make? Add 33% more lines to the code (set the useSystemDate to true) just to cater for foreign system dates, or add one word to the documentation so that it says Displays the U.S. date? One action will cost more than the other, and either will cost more than doing nothing and restricting his target market. Perhaps he should focus his development energies on his upcoming product Displays the time which he expects to sell at twice the price? So, it appears that - bugs happen, even when they are sincerely believed not to exist and with the best will in the world, and testing which seemed comprehensive at the time; - money matters in commercial decisions without greed per se being a factor; - the morality of the developer is not questioned by the discovered bug. Perhaps RunRev has more bugs than it should have. That is something I do not know, but Lynn may on industry benchmarks. Regardless, bugginess is a relative question. regards David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
Hi, All my messages pass along the very same chain you are using, the fact that there is a library that is managing events has nothing to do with it. I've experienced the problems I mentioned (and they have been verified by others) in small 3 control test stacks with no libraries etc. I do not force anything into a central object library or any other kind of library. All the Best Dave On 7 Apr 2006, at 17:32, Rob Cozens wrote: David, et al: In the case of the bugs I mentioned, you'd have to blind and in a drug induced haze not to spot them! Some of them occur on an hourly basis! For the past two weeks I have been scripting at least four hours daily using Rev v2.7 on Windows XP. I have experienced no crashes--even when trying to force a crash for Rev Support. I don't spot the bugs you mention because (a) I'm not using the same features your are, and (possibly) (b) because I allow most messages to pass up the message chain rather than trying to force them to a centralized object library. This is not said to discredit you; but to point out that RunRev is so feature-rich and can be applied to such different applications that one developer's experience may be entirely different from another's. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
On 7 Apr 2006, at 22:43, Ken Ray wrote: On 4/7/06 3:36 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so old my first computer was made of cardboard. Heck, we had to 'punch out' the cardboard parts just to build it (and we did this all by candlelight as electricity wasn't invented yet). We wouldv'e given anything to play with those fancy Hollerith card-punch machines. Oh, Yeah? Well WE had to walk 35 miles through a raging snowstorm with only flipflops and snorkles while juggling crazed rabid wombats and breathing sulphur just to LOOK at a cardboard computer! Oh, you used one of those Apollo boxes too! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
On 8 Apr 2006, at 02:06, Bob Warren wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: Have you ever dropped a stack of a thousand or so punch cards!? That was the last time I ever dropped a stack. Took me weeks to put the stack back in order before I could run it through the reader. Yes, and worse. On one occasion I was feeding in trays and trays of cards that represented free gifts to the clients. Although I was always very methodical and careful when doing this, somehow, I don't know how, I fed in a tray (or more?) of cards twice. As a result, about 10,000 customers got their rather expensive gifts in duplicate! Needless to say, proper statistical controls were implemented by my department afterwards. It turned out to be quite didactic. Bob That's what the sequencing field was for! If you used it, you could run it thru the sorted and it would put them all back in order! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
That's true of course, I could rewrite the Script Editor and may well do so, but really, unless I invested a lot of time understanding the how the rest of the IDE worked, it would probably not work very well. If I were to do it, I'd rewrite the whole thing. All the Best Dave On 7 Apr 2006, at 18:20, Mark Wieder wrote: David- Thursday, April 6, 2006, 6:51:18 PM, you wrote: It depends on whether I wrote it in the first place or not. Assume I didn't and have been given the source code, I'd take a look at it and You *do* have the source code. Knock yourself out. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
On 7 Apr 2006, at 17:49, Mark Wieder wrote: David- Friday, April 7, 2006, 3:26:29 AM, you wrote: Approach 2, results in much better software and much happier engineers. The idea is to have QA involved right from the start, at the design stage. QA's job here is to ensure that components (such as libraries etc.) are unit tested as they are written. 100% agreement on approach 1 vs 2. It really is true that the best way to eliminate bugs is not to code them in the first place. I always like to get QA involved at product inception and follow the sdlc through to the release. But... it shouldn't be QA's job to do unit testing. That's development's job. In a way, yes, but on the other hand, I worked at one place that had around 5 imaging products and they all used a couple of common libraries. It made sense in this case for QA to track which versions of the libraries were used in the build of which products. Also since they were Shared Libraries (DLLs), they would switch out libraries and move back to older versions to track when a bug was introduced. They also had a Library test tool, which exercised the API. The tests written by QA should complement the unit tests in terms of integration testing, functional and boundary tests, etc. Otherwise you get QA locked into the same mindset as development to where you know what the program is supposed to do, so you don't test other scenarios. It's the same reason you can't do proper QA on a product you've written yourself. I've had my own apps pass all the unit tests I've written and come through with flying colors, only to be shot down in five minutes when I handed the finished product off to someone else. I agree, the best policy I've found for this is the to have a Test department that writes code to test the robustness of key system components. All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: creating my own tools palette
Hello Oakes, I made my own tools palette for in the Rev IDE. It contains many small script that I use every day. Since it is for my own use, I didn't add any fancy graphics. Just a few buttons with cryptic names. If you are a true newbie, I'd just start learning the scripting language before trying to make a tools palette. It is nice if you can build an interface with buttons and graphics, but it is useless if you haven't learnt how to bring it alive, yet. Now, if I haven't convinced you yet... Sure, you can use any graphics programme to create icons for your tools palette. Anything from ColorIt! to PhotoShop will do. First set up your tools palette with the buttons and scripts you need. Then design at least two icons for each tool. Save the icons and import them all into the mainstack of your project. Now you can set the icon of each button. Set the hiliteIcon of each button to a slightly darker version of the icon. If you want you can also set the style of a tool to checkbox and use a different icon for the armed state (set the showName to false). That gives a useful effect. That's it. Mark Xeubie Tsu wrote: Hello, I'm new to rev. Could someone let me know how to create my own tools palette with my own custom tools? I imagine I'd need some graphics program to draw the objects and such. Thanks, Oakes -- Consultant and Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.economy-x-talk.com eHUG coordinator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ehug.info Advertise with us and reach 1000 truely interested internet users every month. See http://economy-x-talk.com/advertise.html for more information. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
I believe EuroTalk is a client of RunRev Ltd and the files there seems to contain a language learning tool. Best, Mark PS: What is eurotalk? It's been added to the public directory at ftp://runrev.com/pub/ but it's too big to download conveniently. Did I miss a press release? -- Consultant and Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.economy-x-talk.com eHUG coordinator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ehug.info Advertise with us and reach 1000 truely interested internet users every month. See http://economy-x-talk.com/advertise.html for more information. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How long does one put up with crashing? - reply
On 7 Apr 2006, at 22:25, Dave Cragg wrote: On 7 Apr 2006, at 21:19, Chipp Walters wrote: But, then there's another problem (at least for me). Currently, I'd like to get my hands on a 2.6.6 version of Rev. But the latest installer I have is 2.6.1, which when properly online updated, goes to 2.6.6 (bug fixes mostly). But, because the online update now only points to 2.7, how does one go about getting the update to 2.6.6? Is there somewhere an archived version of 2.6.6 and if so, where? Chipp, are you talking about engine version numbers or Rev App version numbers? The reason I'm asking is that I don't recall a Rev App of version of 2.6.6. I am using 2.6.6 Build 152, that's what the Get Info box says and that's what the file is named. However the splash screen tells me it's 2.6.1 Build 152. The App/Engine version number are really confusing! The latest pre-2.7 version I have here is 2.6.1, which has an engine versione of 2.6.6. The 2.6.1 engine version is what shipped with Rev 2.5. (As of 2.7, the engine and app versions are the same, thank goodness.) Good! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
I really don't think you understand the ISM concept and think it's some strange thing that is somehow going against the way Xtalk's work. It's really not. It's really just a convenient and flexible way of allowing an object to communicate with other objects without having to explicitly tell the objects what do do. Think of it like this. You could write some code that did the following: put [EMAIL PROTECTED] into field EmailAddress enable button OK disable field PhoneNumber etc. In (say) a mouse up handler of a Do Some Action button. In other words the logic to determine what to do to other objects is determined by the object that initiated the event. This means that when you want a different action for an existing object or additional actions or actions for other objects you have to change the sender. It's like a teacher in a class room telling each individual pupil to turn to page 66 of a text book, instead of telling the whole class. This isn't the best example, since, the *same* action is performed by each pupil in the class. Instead, imagine you said, Go to the page where you left off last week and continue from that point. The difference is that you could either track which page each individual pupil is on and give out many instructions such as John, go to page 33, Bob, go to page 54, Julie, go to page 132 or could leave the decision as to which page to go to up to the person receiving the instruction and give one instruction and they could use their memory to go to the correct place. ISM allows you do do this. For instance, with a file path name, different fields may want to do different things: Field 1 - put theFilePathName into field 1 Field 2 - put the_contents of file theFilePathName into field 2 Using ISM, you put the choice of what to do with the data received in the Object that is processing the data. not in the sender of the data. This is basic OOP. All the Best Dave Hi, All my messages pass along the very same chain you are using, the fact that there is a library that is managing events has nothing to do with it. I've experienced the problems I mentioned (and they have been verified by others) in small 3 control test stacks with no libraries etc. I do not force anything into a central object library or any other kind of library. All the Best Dave On 7 Apr 2006, at 17:32, Rob Cozens wrote: David, et al: In the case of the bugs I mentioned, you'd have to blind and in a drug induced haze not to spot them! Some of them occur on an hourly basis! For the past two weeks I have been scripting at least four hours daily using Rev v2.7 on Windows XP. I have experienced no crashes--even when trying to force a crash for Rev Support. I don't spot the bugs you mention because (a) I'm not using the same features your are, and (possibly) (b) because I allow most messages to pass up the message chain rather than trying to force them to a centralized object library. This is not said to discredit you; but to point out that RunRev is so feature-rich and can be applied to such different applications that one developer's experience may be entirely different from another's. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
Richard, Not so long ago, I experimented with running my stacks as little client apps with the engine in the bin folder of Mac OS X. This allows me to run a stack like an application, without building a standalone. Very much like running a Python applet. Have you noticed that this is no longer possible in Rev 2.7? Do you now a workaround? Best, Mark Richard Gaskin wrote: A lot of us MC users did. I had occasion to mention this very specifically to Lynn recently, more than once. Not sure why he said he wasn't familiar with it; maybe he just suffers from what Dan and I can call Rev List Subscriber Memory Disorder. ;) Most of the engine changes since the older version at ftp.metacard.com have been for native appearances and other goodies that have no effect when running in faceless mode. Also, MetaCard Corp. supported far more platforms than RunRev, so if your server runs Solaris, BSD, or one of the other flavors Rev is no longer compiled for you can still enjoy Transcript on your server with the old tried-and-true engine. What a great way to evangelize Transcript: the moment you want to make GUI admin tools or desktop apps, you already know the language. Dr. Raney had some insight! So Andre, how's that web app framework coming? snip -- Consultant and Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.economy-x-talk.com eHUG coordinator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ehug.info Advertise with us and reach 1000 truely interested internet users every month. See http://economy-x-talk.com/advertise.html for more information. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to stop screen flicker
Why then is there a need to show the stack? You can go invisible to the stack, change all properties, and close the stack, without showing and flashing the window. If there really is a need to issue a show command, set the window off-screen first. Please, let us know whether this solves your problem. Mark David Burgun wrote: The loop is part of a cold-start up process, I want to run all the stacks qualifying stacks in a folder in ColdStart mode, this allows each stack to reset it's properties etc. to the Factory default. It's a little more complex than this, but that basically it. Once the Cold-Start has completed, I then re-open the Main Application stack (the one that reported it's Main status during Cold-Start procedure). It then starts running in Warm-Start mode, and from that point onwards it will start up in warm start mode. The ColdStart Stack checks for a file in it's folder when it's run, if it's there it cold-starts and removes the file, if it's not it warm starts. All the Best Dave -- Consultant and Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.economy-x-talk.com eHUG coordinator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ehug.info Advertise with us and reach 1000 truely interested internet users every month. See http://economy-x-talk.com/advertise.html for more information. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
The link to http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/webed.zip on http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/index.html is 404. Merde happens. Richard, Are you aware of the message sent to the users of this list over the past 4 months? I can tell you the message I have personally understood. Beware, if you express any criticism, Google will be used to check your identity out on the web (what happened with that Jerry character a while back) and your past activities in bugzilla (David Burgun recently) or any defect in your website (Bob Warren) will be used to undermine your reputation. If nothing can be found, then innuendos and eventually false statements will be used (Xavier, myself). DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEND THAT MESSAGE? Marielle Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Homepage http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/ Easy access to lexical databaseshttp:// lexicall.widged.com/ Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.widged.com/wiki/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Had Revolution for over a year and I still can't run a stack file
I have had Rev for over a year now (Studio version) and I STILL cannot run a stack file (by double clicking on it OR using Open With...) and have a cursor show up. As soon as the pointer enters anywhere in the stack window, it disappears. I't's still there because if I carefully move it, I can press buttons and enter text and such but I just can't see the cursor. Surely not everyone has this problem because it tends to make the product useless. I asked this question over a year ago and never got the problem fixed. I'm running 2.7.1 on WinXP (and I've tried every version from 2.5 on and DreamCard) always with the same result. I'd really like to use this product but it you can only see a cursor when you have the IDE running, it would be pointless to develop anything for a customer. Please tell me what I'm doing wrong Len Morgan. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Had Revolution for over a year and I still can't run a stack file
Len Morgan wrote: I have had Rev for over a year now (Studio version) and I STILL cannot run a stack file (by double clicking on it OR using Open With...) and have a cursor show up. As soon as the pointer enters anywhere in the stack window, it disappears. I't's still there because if I carefully move it, I can press buttons and enter text and such but I just can't see the cursor. It's a bug, in the Win version (BZ 2138 which I entered in September 2004). Unfortunately, that BZ was against Dreamcard Player - and was therefore entered as an enhancement request. I think (according to the comments added by Mark W.) that it has not been dealt with because of possible conflict it would cause in the Mac OS9 version. If so, that's an astonishingly poor prioritization between OS9 and Windows. Around that time (September through December 2004) I had pretty much concluded that anything I did in Bugzilla was a waste of time, so I didn't bother pushing this problem. I now know that, in general, Bugzilla entries will eventually be looked at - but I've not had any reason to focus on this one and go back and push it. If it's a major hassle for you (see below), then you should add your experience / feelings as an additional comment to BZ 2138, and change the status/priority to represent the impact it is having on you. Surely not everyone has this problem because it tends to make the product useless. I asked this question over a year ago and never got the problem fixed. I'm running 2.7.1 on WinXP (and I've tried every version from 2.5 on and DreamCard) always with the same result. I'd really like to use this product but it you can only see a cursor when you have the IDE running, it would be pointless to develop anything for a customer. If you are developing for a customer, I believe you should build and distribute standalones - and this problem does not happen in a standalone. (I guess I should say - I always see this problem when double-clicking a stack file, and have never seen it in a standalone :-) It would be nice if you could distribute stacks and an adequate Player - but Dreamcard Player was never, IMO, adequate. I haven't tried Ken's Stackrunner because by the time that appeared, I was in the habit of building standalones, and decided to stick with that. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release Date: 07/04/2006 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :) Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media ... Runtime Revolution also introduces new support and learning forums at http://forums.runrev.com. The new forums are set up by level so that those new to rich media can find exactly the information they want and need to extend their skill sets. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ArcadeEngine Forum is moving
Hi all, Now that Runtime has their forums online, ArcadeEngine support forum is moving to our new RevSelect forum here - http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=27 I am looking forward to see you there. Stay tuned for some really cool stuff coming up. All the best, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
On 8 Apr 2006, at 14:01, Marielle Lange wrote: The link to http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/webed.zip on http://www.howsoft.com/downloads/index.html is 404. Merde happens. Richard, Are you aware of the message sent to the users of this list over the past 4 months? I can tell you the message I have personally understood. Beware, if you express any criticism, Google will be used to check your identity out on the web (what happened with that Jerry character a while back) and your past activities in bugzilla (David Burgun recently) or any defect in your website (Bob Warren) will be used to undermine your reputation. If nothing can be found, then innuendos and eventually false statements will be used (Xavier, myself). DO YOU REALLY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEND THAT MESSAGE? Marielle I really don't understand the content of your mail except that it appears to be an attack on Richard. In the past few months, you've attacked Chipp Walters, Dan Shafer (twice), and now Richard on this list. And you've done it in a style that borders on deranged. Chipp, Dan, and Richard are major contributors to the Rev community. They are strong supporters of the product, yet they are also among its most frequent critics. They all offer their personal and honest opinions. I don't always agree with what they say, and I'm sure they don't always agree with my opinions. But you seem offended when they offer opinion or information that is contrary to other people's. Your replies are very personal and unpleasant, and I find your habit of digging up quotes from mails written a long time ago quite disturbing. Most people belong to this list to get help with programming, and some occasional banter. You seem to be pursuing a personal crusade. I wish you'd stop. Regards Dave Cragg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
A lot of us MC users did. I had occasion to mention this very specifically to Lynn recently, more than once. Not sure why he said he wasn't familiar with it; maybe he just suffers from what Dan and I can call Rev List Subscriber Memory Disorder. ;) The substance of our discussion had to do with what's coming, not the location of a document. Most of the engine changes since the older version at ftp.metacard.com have been for native appearances and other goodies that have no effect when running in faceless mode. Also, MetaCard Corp. supported far more platforms than RunRev, so if your server runs Solaris, BSD, or one of the other flavors Rev is no longer compiled for you can still enjoy Transcript on your server with the old tried-and-true engine. Not completely forgotten - they have a sub-forum: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=21 The irony of all this is that it's been sitting there virtually untapped for years, and only when someone breathes new life into the ultra-niche-and-once-nearly-forgotten Ruby with the new-agey Rails do we finally take a fresh look at the legacy Raney left for us so long ago in our own native tongue. I've been using Transcript as my language-of-choice on my servers since before RunRev Ltd. was born. It's nice that the world is finally changing so I no longer feel the need to apologize for that choice (remember the '90s when people wrote web apps in C? E). Now Rich, you arent the sort who gets enraged when he sees Grateful Dead stickers on SUVs, right?:-) This is something that's been on my mind for quite some time. I don't know who was there first but, there was also the abortive FlameThrower for SuperCard. And of course its also on the minds of folks at runtime, very much so - there is a forum set up specifically for this topic here: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=11 Since RevConWest 2006 is coming up, it might be a good topic for discussion as well there. PS: What is eurotalk? It's been added to the public directory at ftp://runrev.com/pub/ but it's too big to download conveniently. Did I miss a press release? See what happens grandpa, when yur jaw'in on the porch, playing checkers and reminicin'? Eurotalk is a European partner of Runtime's for TTT sales - its irrelevant for purposes RR. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Well, my international (from an american viewpoint) friend, how about this: on mouseUp -- display the date answer the system date with OK end mouseUp The requirements are stated clearly in the comment, so the long date is out. The system date should work properly for you, correct? I agree that this is now a lesson in the nature of both bugs and hubris ;-) regards, Geoff On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:18 AM, David Vaughan wrote: On 08/04/2006, at 16:36, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So tell me what could go wrong? ;-) You are limiting yourself to the code, where bugs can have the forms of user requirements, specification and documentation as well as coding. In this case, the user may have wanted to know the date in long form ;-) However, your code snippet as written does indeed have a bug. If I run it here, I see the answer 4/8/06 which I consider an absurd answer and very clearly a bug. In Australia, it is not yet August. cheers David regards, Geoff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :) Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media ... Runtime Revolution also introduces new support and learning forums at http://forums.runrev.com. The new forums are set up by level so that those new to rich media can find exactly the information they want and need to extend their skill sets. Nice. Are the forums intended to replace this list or as an additional service? I hope the latter. Also, I find the following paragraph in the pr curious: Step up to Revolution scripting. English-like Revolution is the easiest scripting language available - easier than Javascript or Flash ActionScript. Yet Revolution features all the modern language features that any developer would expect. Is Transcript now called Revolution as well or was it just a simplification for the press? Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Bravo, congratulations, and kudos :) Lynn Fredricks Thanks Bill! Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
Thanks Phil and Chipp, Ill check it out and see how that works with current licensing. In the meantimesome other news just posted :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd Lynn, a key thing about that free engine is that it does not have or work with gui. It is not the same engine that we use with IDE as far as I know. It was provided for use on the servers. It can be free because without having a licenced version of MC/Rev it is next to impossible to use it for anything more than hello world. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Hi Robert, Nice. Are the forums intended to replace this list or as an additional service? I hope the latter. http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=209#209 Also, I find the following paragraph in the pr curious: Step up to Revolution scripting. English-like Revolution is the easiest scripting language available - easier than Javascript or Flash ActionScript. Yet Revolution features all the modern language features that any developer would expect. Is Transcript now called Revolution as well or was it just a simplification for the press? The language is now Revolution. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
End of Thread (RE: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read)
This thread no longer deals constructively with Revolution. Hostile forces retreat. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Merde happens, but not here (yet)
Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote: Bob Warren wrote: I am a bit tired after my day's ordeals: a few hours ago I had to negociate the release of my supposedly kidnapped son - pay up R$50.000 or they'd kill him on the spot kind of drama. Luckily, it turned out to be not a hoax but criminal action just to extract the money, as my son was not really in the hands of the kidnappers, or so I eventually found out. Oh god, how horrible! You must be a wreck. It makes our little squabbles here look insignificant. Take care of yourself, life is too short. -- Jacque: Thanks very much indeed for your nice words of solidarity. Luckily, the whole thing didn't last more than 2 hours. Today, I (we) am (are) a bit on the mooshy side naturally, but surprisingly I (we) seemed to stand up to it quite well. The rush of adrenaline, I suppose, and the fact that all's well that ends well. All the very best to you too. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Mark, Geoff, et al: To be fair, Geoff had a smiley in his post, so I think he deserves some slack cut here. Absolutely! I did notice that after posting, and I apologize. I was more venting emotions built up after reading previous posts on this thread by others than by Geoff's remarks, and I was trying to make a point to the larger audience...not my Cousin Geoff in particular. Rob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields. How can I speed it up?
Alex Geoff, You don't need to know how many ticks it takes. OK, I'll bite: just how does one set the end value of the scrollBar if one does not have an idea of how many loops or how many ticks the entire process will take? Suppose, for example, one is downloading a file. Changing the thumbPosition every fixed number of ticks means that after x tricks the progress bar will have the same setting regardless the file size (eg: a 5MB file download will show exactly the same progress as a 10MB download or a 100MB download). Also, how does one know the progress bar won't get completely to the end well before the process is completed? Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Dan, et al:
I'm reminded of this quotation from the 1970's. (I think it was in the
Mythical Man Month but I'm not sure.)
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then
the
first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
Must have been a spokesman for the building trades industry.:{`)
There is no house of any size or complexity that is bug free.
After first visiting my parents' new $80K home--which in the 1970s was
a lot of $--my wife and I remarked to each other how shoddy the
workmanship was. Some plumbing fixtures were plumbed hot water to cold
faucet, ill-fitting cabinetry, sloppy painting, etc.
Realistically, there is no human activity that is bug-free, because
there is no human being who is bug-free. I learned this first hand
while supervising the work of the data coding section of Oakland Police
Department.
The job of the coding section was to review all crime and arrest report
documents and add codes for computer input. For example, each report
received a weapons code (o=none, 1=gun, 2=knife, etc.) derived from the
details in the report. Simple job: read the report, determine the
weapon code, and write the code in the appropriate box on the form.
How could anyone screw this up? Or so I thought until one of the
coders was on leave and I filled in for her. After reviewing my own
work I realized that humans simply cannot repeat the same task hundreds
of times in a row and maintain attention and quality of work--we are
not computers.
Bug-free software is certainly a goal worth striving for--but it's
unrealistic and unproductive to wear a hair shirt because one finds
bugs in commercial software. IMFO, it's the severity of the bug and
the software provider's commitment to address bugs that matters.
Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee.
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Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
The last thing I want to do today, particularly after my personal experiences of yesterday not connected with this list, is to get mixed up in psychological analyses. But in view of the fact that certain analyses have been made based my recent posts and the List's reactions to them, I would just like to say a few words that think might be appropriate. I have lived in Brazil for more than half my life, and one of the first things I had to learn early on was that cultural attitudes towards the truth can be very different. For example, in England, we expect a doctor always to tell us the truth about our diagnosis, and if he doesn't do that, he can even get sued for it. So if a cancer patient has two weeks to live, the doctor says You have two weeks to live, and that's that. In Brazil, this would be considered by many doctors to be unethical. After all, if the poor patient really does have only two weeks to live, what right does the doctor have to spoil the last 2 weeks of the patient's life? What I am trying to say is that although the truth is of fundamental importance, it is not always wise to go around hitting people over the head with it. The main reason is that it tends to create symmetrical relationships and the eventual polarization expressed far too often in the form of war. More complementary relationships are needed in this warring world of ours, and consequently on this List. Although the fundamental purpose of this list is to discuss technical issues, the fact that we are drawn into arguments about questions of management, and even of individual personalities, is inevitable. However, on this occasion I have been extremly gratified to see that the situation has not got completely and utterly out of hand, as it has sometimes done on previous occasions. One of the fundamental guiding principles I try to use (but sometimes fail in using adequately, I admit) is that ALL ideas are valuable, including the ones we might initially disagree with or find obnoxious. Or in other words, it is more important to attempt to use the creative potential of a wrong idea than to abandon it. The theory of lateral thinking and psychology is easy, but the practice of it can take years of dedication and perhaps education. That's all. Now let's get back to the technicalities of computer programming, until the next punchup, which we all enjoy as long as we don't get hurt too much! Regards to all, Bob Warren ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Register at Forums to See Everything
Hi all, There are a couple of forums that require registration in order to see them (many that currently do not, will also change). You are missing a couple of nuggets of goodness if you do not register. It is likely that the next step with the forum will be to get up the RSS support so its readable in a reader such as GreatNews. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
Hi Dave, I really don't think you understand the ISM concept and think it's some strange thing that is somehow going against the way Xtalk's work. It's really not. It's really just a convenient and flexible way of allowing an object to communicate with other objects without having to explicitly tell the objects what do do. I agree 100%...which is why I said possibly. And it wouldn't be the first concept I couldn't grasp in totality: I believe Xavier Bury's XOS and more recent concepts would be well-worth understanding; but I have not found the time nor the key to understanding. I read the example, think I understand each sentence, but draw a blank when comes to drawing parallels with my techniques and needs. Maybe when ISM is unveiled to the world, others will help me get a better grasp. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Software at the Speed of Thought
Same here. Basically paid double for it. Ended up getting it directly from Dan after ordering thru RunRev. But still very happy with the ebook, in particular the step by step application at the end of the book. It's one of the best tutorials I've read and I've read many. What made it so good in my opinion was that Dan injects a lot of his thought process into the tutorial. Wish he would write a few more. I'd buy them. Tim -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Software-at-the-Speed-of-Thought-t1414706.html#a3820033 Sent from the Revolution - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields. How can I speed it up?
Alex Geoff, You don't need to know how many ticks it takes. OK, I'll bite: just how does one set the end value of the scrollBar if one does not have an idea of how many loops or how many ticks the entire process will take? Suppose, for example, one is downloading a file. Changing the thumbPosition every fixed number of ticks means that after x tricks the progress bar will have the same setting regardless the file size (eg: a 5MB file download will show exactly the same progress as a 10MB download or a 100MB download). Also, how does one know the progress bar won't get completely to the end well before the process is completed? Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company I think you are confusing two different aspects of progress bars. The total progress is controlled by whatever parameter applies, be it the number of files or the size or whatever makes us define the progress. What was suggested is that the code that actually does the progress display is not updating the bar more often than every 5-10 ticks (or whatever is determined for a given system). That saves on system having to update the display more often than needed and thus gives extra cpu cycles to your program. Of course, this has to be applied differently to different situations. In the example of downloading a while that you mentioned, the internet connection can be a bottleneck and thus there is no point to concern yourself with the frequency the bar is updated. If I am running a process of 100 loops and my bar is 200 pixels, then I want to update for each step. However, if my process runs 1 loops, then updating for each step is pointless since the bar will not visibly move and updating every 50-100 steps will do. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Register at Forums to See Everything
Lynn Fredricks wrote: Hi all, There are a couple of forums that require registration in order to see them (many that currently do not, will also change). You are missing a couple of nuggets of goodness if you do not register. It is likely that the next step with the forum will be to get up the RSS support so its readable in a reader such as GreatNews. Please, please install the capability to use email with the forums. This will allow you the same degree of control over content that you want, and will not inconvenience those of us who just don't have time to click their way through a zillion web pages several times daily. I do need to read everything that is posted to the mailing list, but using a web interface will double my access time and triple the inconvenience. I am sure there is a happy medium for us all, so that those on slow dialups, or those who just don't have time to visit a separate forum multiple times per day, can proceed in a way that is most helpful to everyone. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Register at Forums to See Everything
Hi Jacque, Yes, it is possible to install an addition to the forum that lets use choose whether to use the web based interface, mail only, or both. Thanks for bringing this up. I hope that RunRev will quickly install this addition, which is readily available from http://www.mail2forum.com/wiki/Download. Best, Mark J. Landman Gay wrote: Lynn Fredricks wrote: Hi all, There are a couple of forums that require registration in order to see them (many that currently do not, will also change). You are missing a couple of nuggets of goodness if you do not register. It is likely that the next step with the forum will be to get up the RSS support so its readable in a reader such as GreatNews. Please, please install the capability to use email with the forums. This will allow you the same degree of control over content that you want, and will not inconvenience those of us who just don't have time to click their way through a zillion web pages several times daily. I do need to read everything that is posted to the mailing list, but using a web interface will double my access time and triple the inconvenience. I am sure there is a happy medium for us all, so that those on slow dialups, or those who just don't have time to visit a separate forum multiple times per day, can proceed in a way that is most helpful to everyone. -- Consultant and Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.economy-x-talk.com eHUG coordinator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ehug.info Advertise with us and reach 1000 truely interested internet users every month. See http://economy-x-talk.com/advertise.html for more information. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Can I read a disk's raw data, like in a hex editor?
I have a formatted FAT32 or NTFS (I can change the file format) MMC card from which I would like to read data. However, the data stored to the card is not written into a tradition file, but rather directly to the disk and not in a file of any sort. Is there anyway to read the raw contents of a disk with Revolution? Thanks, Karl ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
David- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 4:26:49 AM, you wrote: In a way, yes, but on the other hand, I worked at one place that had around 5 imaging products and they all used a couple of common libraries. It made sense in this case for QA to track which versions of the libraries were used in the build of which products. Also since they were Shared Libraries (DLLs), they would switch out libraries and move back to older versions to track when a bug was introduced. They also had a Library test tool, which exercised the API. Maybe they exorcised it... g There's a fine line between unit testing and white-box testing. I write api test harnesses from the QA end of things, but I expect that by the time I get to run my test suite the api will already have passed development's unit tests. There may be overlap, and probably should be, but I see the two as functionally different. But less so now that XP's test-before-code methodology has taken hold. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Moi: I was more venting emotions built up after reading previous posts on this thread Apparently being rude to Geoff did not complete the catharsis, as I feel the need to offer these thoughts as well: * Just so we're sure we're comparing apples to apples: My closest contact on Microfinancial Corp's Flexware programming team used to say FlexWare is bug free...so long as people use it the way they are supposed to. If any among you are making the contention my software is bug free on the basis of I tested all the features and they work for me, your definition of bug-free is quite different from mine: if 5% or more of your users make the same mistake, that's your fault, not theirs. * If the industry norm was that no software would be shipped if it contained a single known bug, there would be no industry...unless you can point to an operating system that meets that requirement. * Considering the number of auto safety recalls, personal instances of packages (eg: auto parts) not containing what they are supposed to, spelling grammar errors in newscasts, etc., I suggest if builders built buildings and auto workers built cars and packagers packed product the way programmers wrote programs and news writers paid the same attention to spelling grammar as programmers, we might have a more productive society in general. [Not that I fault workers for having no more dedication to their employers than their employers have for them.] Rob Cozens, CCW Serendipity Software Company There's nothing wrong with Capitalism except Capitalists: they're too damn greedy! -- Herbert Hoover ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Register at Forums to See Everything
Lynn Fredricks wrote: Hi all, There are a couple of forums that require registration in order to see them (many that currently do not, will also change). You are missing a couple of nuggets of goodness if you do not register. It is likely that the next step with the forum will be to get up the RSS support so its readable in a reader such as GreatNews. Please, please install the capability to use email with the forums. This will allow you the same degree of control over content that you want, and will not inconvenience those of us who just don't have time to click their way through a zillion web pages several times daily. I do need to read everything that is posted to the mailing list, but using a web interface will double my access time and triple the inconvenience. I am sure there is a happy medium for us all, so that those on slow dialups, or those who just don't have time to visit a separate forum multiple times per day, can proceed in a way that is most helpful to everyone. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Yes, yes, please! Me too want this :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can I read a disk's raw data, like in a hex editor?
I am confused. How does the data get written to a hard drive and not in a file of any sort Please explain a little better. I am sure that you will find that Rev can access anything the operating system can access Jim Ault Las Vegas On 4/8/06 10:32 AM, Karl Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a formatted FAT32 or NTFS (I can change the file format) MMC card from which I would like to read data. However, the data stored to the card is not written into a tradition file, but rather directly to the disk and not in a file of any sort. Is there anyway to read the raw contents of a disk with Revolution? Thanks, Karl ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
Marielle... That was one of the strangest posts I've ever gotten on a mailing list. I went back and read my original message and for the life of me I can't figure out what you're trying to tell me. The only point I made was that sometimes -- stress that word -- what one person sees as a bug or defect in the product is more a function of their personal usage or system configuration. So when someone posts a complaint on this list -- and contrary to your apparent view of me, I've done that tons of times myself -- it is *sometimes* not really a product defect or bug but rather a conflict between what they expect and what they experience that is explainable by reasons other than bugs in Rev. Does Rev have bugs? Absolutely. I'd be astonished if it didn't. Is this an appropriate forum in which to discuss such bugs? Absolutely. Particularly in an effort to determine if a particular experience *is* a bug or just a mis-understanding or a result of inaccurate documentation. I do not believe you can cite one instance where I have criticized anyone here for reporting a bug. I have corrected misperceptions about bugs and I have added my voice to a chorus saying, That's not really a bug. But I don't believe I have ever invalidated a person's experience; I'm just not made that way. It is hardly the case that *anyone* on this list engages in the behavior you describe in the paragraph I've excerpted below from your very long diatribe. A few criticisms that were not repeatable in my experience and which seemed to me to be potentially due to issues that were not *directly* related to Revolution have certainly been subjects to which I have responded with justification or correction. You imply that all such criticisms are valid and should not be replied to other than in a positive, supportive manner. I would find that useless as a form of communication. I don't know what I've done to offend you that would cause you to take the time away from what I presume is a busy schedule to write so long and detailed a response, but if I have personally offended you in any way, I apologize. On 4/8/06, Marielle Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are setting up a greater and greater divide between persons who have some valid criticisms to make and persons who refuse to let any single criticism pass without being justified/corrected. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
Lynn There will be several sessions at RevCon West 2006 in Monterey June 16-17 on Rev and the Internet. In fact, it is emerging as one of our primary focal points of the conference. On 4/8/06, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since RevConWest 2006 is coming up, it might be a good topic for discussion as well there. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields. How can I speed it up?
Hi Robert, If I am running a process of 100 loops and my bar is 200 pixels, then I want to update for each step. However, if my process runs 1 loops, then updating for each step is pointless since the bar will not visibly move and updating every 50-100 steps will do. Maybe this is just a morning when I can't get it. But unless your handler is hard-coded to the specific loop or makes a runtime decision on whether to update every 50 steps, every 100 steps, or some number in between, I see no way the position of the progress bar can accurately reflect the percentage of task completion in all circumstances. What I posted was generalized logic that calculates the number of steps required to move the progress bar one pixel, regardless of the width of the bar. That is the minimum steps required before resetting the thumbPosition is visually manifested on the screen. Anything more produces jerkier movements. Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Lynn.. Wow. I was surprised to see your answer that the scripting language Transcript is being renamed Revolution. How then will it be differentiated from the product? Or won't it? Intriguing. Not criticizing, just wondering and a bit bewildered. On 4/8/06, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, Nice. Are the forums intended to replace this list or as an additional service? I hope the latter. http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=209#209 Also, I find the following paragraph in the pr curious: Step up to Revolution scripting. English-like Revolution is the easiest scripting language available - easier than Javascript or Flash ActionScript. Yet Revolution features all the modern language features that any developer would expect. Is Transcript now called Revolution as well or was it just a simplification for the press? The language is now Revolution. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Software at the Speed of Thought
Tim. Thanks for the kind words. I'm sorry you had to pay double and I'll contact you offlist about that but I wanted to thank you for your comments. I have written three new eBooklets, one on CGI, one on Custom Properties and one most recently on Printing. You can buy them all for $5 each through my online store at http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main. And I plan to write several more on targeted topics as well. I'm waiting for the dust from 2.7 to settle and for some clear idea from the community of what subjects are of most current interest before doing any new ones, though. On 4/8/06, thulme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same here. Basically paid double for it. Ended up getting it directly from Dan after ordering thru RunRev. But still very happy with the ebook, in particular the step by step application at the end of the book. It's one of the best tutorials I've read and I've read many. What made it so good in my opinion was that Dan injects a lot of his thought process into the tutorial. Wish he would write a few more. I'd buy them. Tim -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Software-at-the-Speed-of-Thought-t1414706.html#a3820033 Sent from the Revolution - User forum at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Geoff- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 12:21:38 AM, you wrote: So tell me what could go wrong? ;-) In addition to the system date already taken care of, 1. The date is displayed in a modal dialog, which makes further use of the app impossible until it's dismissed. 2. The mouseUp handler is never called. Did you mean to put it into a button instead of an unlocked field? 3. I brought up the answer dialog at 11:59PM. When I went back and checked it five minutes later it still had yesterday's date on it. 4. Displaying the mouseUp handler out of context doesn't guarantee that it will run without problems. What if your mouseUp handler is in the stack script and another mouseUp handler in a button intercepts the message and doesn't pass it? You'll still have some debugging to do in order to figure out why the date isn't displayed. The point of all this is not that I'm nit-picking (I am, of course). The point is that the ambiguities in the requirements can provoke any number of equally valid (and equally wrong) responses. If I had wanted the date displayed in the upper-right corner of the main stack and continually updated, that still would fall under display the date. So would the case where I wanted a stack to function as a cgi app and display the date as a string sent to stdout. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can I read a disk's raw data, like in a hex editor?
We are using a small PIC processor (a cheap, inexpensive device for embedded systems work) to talk directly with the MMC card. We are communicating directly via a serial port to the MMC card, and the data is being written directly to the card in a strange method that only shows up in a hex editor. We are not actually specifying a file on the formatted card with the PIC processor, but rather we are using the PIC processor to tell the MMC which sector we want to write 512 bytes of data. It is very low level and rough, but we seem to be writing some data to the card - and I want to access it in Revolution instead of using somebody else's hex editor software. How does the operating system access the direct bits off a card? And how could Revolution do it? Hopefully this email clarifies my problem some, please ask if you want more clarification. - Karl On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Jim Ault wrote: I am confused. How does the data get written to a hard drive and not in a file of any sort Please explain a little better. I am sure that you will find that Rev can access anything the operating system can access Jim Ault Las Vegas On 4/8/06 10:32 AM, Karl Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a formatted FAT32 or NTFS (I can change the file format) MMC card from which I would like to read data. However, the data stored to the card is not written into a tradition file, but rather directly to the disk and not in a file of any sort. Is there anyway to read the raw contents of a disk with Revolution? Thanks, Karl ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields. How can I speed it up?
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Geoff, et al: I generally check the ticks and update based on that: How do you know in advance the total ticks to complete the operation? The ticks to complete the operation isn't used for anything. Suppose I have to process the elements in an array, and there can be any number of elements in the array. I might do something like this: set the endValue of scrollbar progress to \ the number of lines of the keys of myArray put ticks() + 10 into tTimer put 0 into tProgress repeat for each element tKey in myArray add 1 to tProgress if ticks() tTimer then put ticks() + 10 into tTimer set the thumbPosition of scrollbar progress to tProgress end if -- process element tKey end repeat This guarantees that the scrollbar will update a maximum of six times per second. If there are 10,000 elements in myArray and they process quickly, this means that the scrollbar is being updated too often unless the scrollbar is 10,000 pixels wide ;-) regards, Geoff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Lynn- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 8:18:17 AM, you wrote: Is Transcript now called Revolution as well or was it just a simplification for the press? The language is now Revolution. !!! -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 31, Issue 20
Dan, Marielle At the risk of really opening the hornets nest, here is my 2 cents. Dan, I've actually known of you for multiple decades now -- way, way back in the dark days of HyperCard 1.0. The thing is this, I know you are a stand-up fellow and have done lots of great work for the community then and now. I also know you'd never discourage anyone from voicing real complaints. At least I didn't until recently when I saw you threaten to (or so it seemed, perception in email/list form is a very delicate and tricky thing) apparently sic the forum police on some fellow who appeared to simply be complaining. I thought that very odd and wasn't sure what it was all about. Didn't seem like your usual very cordial style. Just so you know. But nothing to flip the bozo bit about (for those who do not know the book, read it, very germane to this conversation). Marielle, I too have had some horrific problems with the 2.7 release on WinXP in a multi-monitor environment. Same one I've run 2.6.1 in successfully without any problems. I have been working with the team by reporting what I can, running tests, etc to try to figure this out. Frankly I hope it is something that is a configuration problem. I'd rather it be that than an engine bug. But I would say we won't know that for sometime to come. It could be something subtle and subtle is very, very hard to fix. The team is genuinely interested in keeping its customers, at least judging from the responses. However it likely does not serve the interest of the list in general to keep flogging the issue in public. I did it once, wrote a heart-felt message of displeasure to the team, got the most cordial reply back you could hope for, and vowed to roll up sleeves and keep at it with them. Why? Because anyone who would NOT retaliate against the stones I threw really has customer hearts and minds close to them. They deserve all the support they can get. Had it been other vendors I can assure you (having had the experience) the other end of the email would go dark and I'd never have satisfaction. Proffered with the hope of mending fences. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Had Revolution for over a year and I still can't run a stack file
Recently, Len Morgan wrote: I have had Rev for over a year now (Studio version) and I STILL cannot run a stack file (by double clicking on it OR using Open With...) and have a cursor show up. As soon as the pointer enters anywhere in the stack window, it disappears. I't's still there because if I carefully move it, I can press buttons and enter text and such but I just can't see the cursor. You know, this occurs in the MetaCard IDE as well when a the 'open file' dialog is present and I've never been able to figure out why. With enough jostling of the cursor into and out of the dialog's rect, I can usually get the cursor to reappear again, but I have no formula as of yet. Sorry no solution, just a confirmation of (intermittent) behavior. Chipp Walters and I batted around solution to the stuck cursor issue that arises with text entry fields but I'm not sure this would work in a situation where a modal dialog is present. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
1. The requirements simply say to display the date -- the date is displayed. If non-modality is needed, that should be in the requirements. 2. It is certainly possible to put the code someplace inappropriate, but I think for the purposes of this assignment we can assume that isn't the case. To assume otherwise would be like if I say a car I'm selling runs fine and you say, Not if I drop it out of an airplane. 3. Also a requirements issue. At the time the code is called, it will display the date. If the screen saver activates five minutes later, thus hiding the date, that's not a bug. 4. Dropping the car out of an airplane. The code _as presented_ is bug free, I believe. I think it's important to note that I don't consider this code to be presented out of context. It is the entire program, in one visible, enabled button, on the only card in one stack. It's not very useful, but for the extremely limited functionality that it provides, I think it is bug free. My point is that I think it _is_ possible to write bug-free software. Not that I have ever done so, of course ;-) Writing bug-free software requires two things: First you need a clear and complete set of requirements. Note that there is no equivocation there. The requirements must be totally clear, and absolutely complete. The requirements must be such that any reasonably intelligent person can sit down, read them, and then answer _any_ question about what the software is to do. Furthermore, such requirements, should map cleanly to a set of tests. The mapping should be bi-directional: given the requirements you should be able to produce the tests, and given the tests you should be able to produce the requirements. I have never seen such requirements, nor really anything close to it, and that's okay. Requirements like that would be exceptionally hard to write, and most people are willing to deal with the issues that come with easier-to-write vague specifications. Second, you need time and effort to work against those requirements. There is an article on the Space Shuttle software that I find interesting: http://www.fastcompany.com/online/06/writestuff.html Quoting: Consider these stats : the last three versions of the program -- each 420,000 lines long-had just one error each. The last 11 versions of this software had a total of 17 errors. The part I don't get is: if you have it down to just one bug, how hard is it to find and fix that one bug? regards, Geoff On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Geoff- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 12:21:38 AM, you wrote: So tell me what could go wrong? ;-) In addition to the system date already taken care of, 1. The date is displayed in a modal dialog, which makes further use of the app impossible until it's dismissed. 2. The mouseUp handler is never called. Did you mean to put it into a button instead of an unlocked field? 3. I brought up the answer dialog at 11:59PM. When I went back and checked it five minutes later it still had yesterday's date on it. 4. Displaying the mouseUp handler out of context doesn't guarantee that it will run without problems. What if your mouseUp handler is in the stack script and another mouseUp handler in a button intercepts the message and doesn't pass it? You'll still have some debugging to do in order to figure out why the date isn't displayed. The point of all this is not that I'm nit-picking (I am, of course). The point is that the ambiguities in the requirements can provoke any number of equally valid (and equally wrong) responses. If I had wanted the date displayed in the upper-right corner of the main stack and continually updated, that still would fall under display the date. So would the case where I wanted a stack to function as a cgi app and display the date as a string sent to stdout. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution is very slow to refresh fields. How can I speed it up?
Moi: Maybe this is just a morning when I can't get it. One possibility: My reference is to a thermometer progress bar and you are using barber pole progress bars? Rob Cozens CCW, Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Register at Forums to See Everything
Recently, Lynn Fredricks wrote: There are a couple of forums that require registration in order to see them (many that currently do not, will also change). You are missing a couple of nuggets of goodness if you do not register. It's great to see Rev provide an outlet for communication that has been requested for years. But like others, I hope email access will be provided. Besides missing out on nuggets of goodness, some of us have nuggets we won't be able to contribute simply by virtue of not having the time to wade through the forum format. Thanks for listening Lynn. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Had Revolution for over a year and I still can't run a stack file
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Len Morgan wrote: I have had Rev for over a year now (Studio version) and I STILL cannot run a stack file (by double clicking on it OR using Open With...) and have a cursor show up. As soon as the pointer enters anywhere in the stack window, it disappears. I't's still there because if I carefully move it, I can press buttons and enter text and such but I just can't see the cursor. You know, this occurs in the MetaCard IDE as well when a the 'open file' dialog is present and I've never been able to figure out why. I know the answer to that one, I think. It happens when you use the message box to show a file dialog (or when you have been typing into a field) and hit the return key to execute the command. When typing, the mouse pointer normally is hidden (replaced by the insertion point). If you open a file dialog while the insertion point is present, the mouse pointer doesn't reappear when the file dialog opens. I bugzillaed it some time ago. The workaround for now is to jiggle the mouse before executing the command from the message box. I always forget to do that, of course. This is different from the disappearing Windows cursor, which I thought got fixed before the last release. Does it still happen in 2.7? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Can I read a disk's raw data, like in a hex editor?
Have you looked at the open driver and read from driver commands? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Had Revolution for over a year and I still can't run a stack file
J. Landman Gay wrote: I know the answer to that one, I think. It happens when you use the message box to show a file dialog (or when you have been typing into a field) and hit the return key to execute the command. When typing, the mouse pointer normally is hidden (replaced by the insertion point). If you open a file dialog while the insertion point is present, the mouse pointer doesn't reappear when the file dialog opens. I bugzillaed it some time ago. And just to follow up, it appears to have been fixed in 2.7. Bugzilla pays off. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Register at Forums to See Everything
yes please me too, i third this! jeff reynolds On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lynn Fredricks wrote: Hi all, There are a couple of forums that require registration in order to see them (many that currently do not, will also change). You are missing a couple of nuggets of goodness if you do not register. It is likely that the next step with the forum will be to get up the RSS support so its readable in a reader such as GreatNews. Please, please install the capability to use email with the forums. This will allow you the same degree of control over content that you want, and will not inconvenience those of us who just don't have time to click their way through a zillion web pages several times daily. I do need to read everything that is posted to the mailing list, but using a web interface will double my access time and triple the inconvenience. I am sure there is a happy medium for us all, so that those on slow dialups, or those who just don't have time to visit a separate forum multiple times per day, can proceed in a way that is most helpful to everyone. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Yes, yes, please! Me too want this :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can I read a disk's raw data, like in a hex editor?
The MMC card is hooked up via an internal memory card reader, and shows up an a drive to the computer. Is there a driver for Windows or Mac OS X that allows me to directly access a drive? Where is a place to find all the drivers installed on a system, and to find some documentation about them? The suggestion in the new Revolution documentation, reading the file /dev/tty , did not work on my iBook. On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:52 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: Have you looked at the open driver and read from driver commands? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
Richard Gaskin, Apr 1 16:29:40 2005, wrote: with so much client work here I'm finding it increasingly challenging to spend time on Rev tools Maybe you could free up some time by spending less time correcting any user who makes valid criticisms on the list? For those interested, here is the list of the 100 most frequent posters on the use-revolution list over the last year (April 05 - March 06) (to view with a monospace font or in excel - separated by tabs). name#posts over a year graphical representation (| = 10) Richard Gaskin _ 1032 ||| Xavier Bury _ 1017 ||| ||| Eric Chatonet _ 898 || J. Landman Gay _ 787 ||| Mark Wieder _ 783 || Dan Shafer _ 761 Ken Ray _ 744 || Alex Tweedly_ 555 Chipp Walters _ 536 || Klaus Major _ 527 | Thomas McGrath III _ 526 | Sarah Reichelt _ 516 David Burgun_ 432 ||| Judy Perry _ 395 Lynch, Jonathan _ 390 ||| Jim Ault_ 370 | Dennis Brown_ 357 Stephen Barncard_ 351 ||| Scott Rossi _ 348 ||| Andre Garzia_ 343 || Jon _ 321 Mark Smith _ 316 Charles Hartman _ 309 ||| Scott Kane _ 272 ||| Sivakatirswami _ 255 || Trevor DeVore _ 249 | David Bovill_ 243 Rob Cozens _ 240 Dar Scott _ 226 ||| Marielle Lange _ 219 || Jim Hurley _ 212 | Dave Cragg _ 189 ||| Peter T. Evensen_ 188 ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ 176 || Bob Hartley _ 173 | Timothy Miller _ 150 ||| Mathewson _ 149 ||| Malte Brill _ 146 ||| Geoff Canyon_ 144 || Mark Talluto_ 144 || Jeanne A. E. DeVoto _ 143 || jbv _ 140 || Frank D. Engel, Jr. _ 134 | Pierre Sahores _ 134 | Garrett Hylltun _ 133 | Devin Asay _ 131 | sims_ 131 | Phil Davis _ 128 | Alejandro Tejada_ 125 | Bill Humphrey _ 119 Robert Brenstein_ 117 Brian Yennie_ 117 Bob Warren _ 112 ||| Mark Swindell _ 100 || Jan Schenkel_ 99 || graham samuel _ 99 || Dom _ 98 || Derek Bump _ 97 || FlexibleLearning_ 97 || Thomas McCarthy _ 93 | Erik Hansen _ 93 | Chris Sheffield _ 93 | Wouter _ 93 | Mark Schonewille_ 92 | Bjönke_von_Gierke _ 92 | Troy Rollins_ 91 | Marty Knapp _ 90 | Ban Nguyen _ 89 | Bill Marriott _ 84 Lynn Fredricks _ 83 Todd Geist _ 83 Ruslan Zasukhin _ 83 Jerry Daniels _ 81 Howard Bornstein_ 81 Dick Kriesel_ 79 liamlambert _ 79
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 31, Issue 20
Bryan I appreciate your attempt to mend the fence here. But I am absolutely bewildered by your statement that I threatened to sic forum police on someone. First, I don't think there *are* any forum police! Second, I can't honestly remember threatening to *do* anything to *anyone*. Perhaps I did and have forgotten it and if I did, then I truly apologize. That is, as you say, just not who I am. On 4/8/06, bryan mccormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Marielle I saw you threaten to (or so it seemed, perception in email/list form is a very delicate and tricky thing) apparently sic the forum police on some fellow who appeared to simply be complaining. -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
David Vaughan wrote: So tell me what could go wrong? ;-) I realised while cooking the salmon this evening (crocodile being off the menu) that Geoff had inadvertently provided a wonderful case study on bugs. Any link to Geoff in the following is purely coincidental and nothing to do with him at all :-) Once upon a time, an aspiring programmer wrote: on mouseUp -- display the date answer the date with OK end mouseUp and released it as shareware. The thing is, that is not a bug. The programmer did not make any error in his code at all. The code works as it was intended. You could also claim that if a user in Japan downloaded the program and could not read it because it was in English and not Japanese, that he could say that the program has a bug. Or a Linux user downloaded the Windows version, it would not run, so it must be a bug. Your scenario is lacking completely, and rather a petty attempt to push your belief. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
David Burgun wrote: On 8 Apr 2006, at 02:06, Bob Warren wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: Have you ever dropped a stack of a thousand or so punch cards!? That was the last time I ever dropped a stack. Took me weeks to put the stack back in order before I could run it through the reader. Yes, and worse. On one occasion I was feeding in trays and trays of cards that represented free gifts to the clients. Although I was always very methodical and careful when doing this, somehow, I don't know how, I fed in a tray (or more?) of cards twice. As a result, about 10,000 customers got their rather expensive gifts in duplicate! Needless to say, proper statistical controls were implemented by my department afterwards. It turned out to be quite didactic. Bob That's what the sequencing field was for! If you used it, you could run it thru the sorted and it would put them all back in order! Unfortunately we did not have one. Just a puncher and a reader. :-( -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Can I read a disk's raw data, like in a hex editor?
I want to access it in Revolution instead of using somebody else's hex editor software If a Hex editor can see it, then Revolution can as well. But if the data stored on the card is not entirely printable text you need to specify that the data is binary. (Forgive me if you know all this already) Kurt ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Register at Forums to See Everything
Also note this link: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_id=newposts And this one: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_id=unanswered It's really not necessary to browse trough the whole forum, just to see the newest posts. (These links are almost at the top of the forum index page, to the right) Of course they only work if you sign in... -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Rob Cozens wrote:
[snip]
Must have been a spokesman for the building trades industry.:{`)
There is no house of any size or complexity that is bug free.
After first visiting my parents' new $80K home--which in the 1970s was a
lot of $--my wife and I remarked to each other how shoddy the
workmanship was. Some plumbing fixtures were plumbed hot water to cold
faucet, ill-fitting cabinetry, sloppy painting, etc.
So tell us, did your parents just take up the hind end and accept it as
normal performance? Or did they go after the builder? Take them to
court? Did they win in court? Was the builder held responsible? Did
your parents have to pay to fix the errors?
-Garrett
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Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
Lynn Fredricks wrote: A lot of us MC users did. I had occasion to mention this very specifically to Lynn recently, more than once. Not sure why he said he wasn't familiar with it; maybe he just suffers from what Dan and I can call Rev List Subscriber Memory Disorder. ;) The substance of our discussion had to do with what's coming, not the location of a document. My end of the conversation dealt with that's already here: Andre and others have server frameworks that run on a license that's free. I mentioned repeatedly to you that the license for faceless use had historically always been free, for more than a decade before RunRev acquired the engine. At that time you didn't ask me for the location of that document, and didn't even cast any doubts about how I described that license, as you did here yesterday. But if you need it now at least you have it. My only question for you was whether RunRev would continue this tradition. I feel it would be as good an idea today as it was when Dr. Raney first came up with it as a way of introducing the language in an interesting space that doesn't impair sales of the GUI product. I still don't have the answer to that question; it's not addressed in the v2.7 license, so for the moment anyone wishing to evangelize Transcript use for servers has to recommend the older engine. Most of the engine changes since the older version at ftp.metacard.com have been for native appearances and other goodies that have no effect when running in faceless mode. Also, MetaCard Corp. supported far more platforms than RunRev, so if your server runs Solaris, BSD, or one of the other flavors Rev is no longer compiled for you can still enjoy Transcript on your server with the old tried-and-true engine. Not completely forgotten - they have a sub-forum: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=21 I don't understand: I don't see a BSD or Solaris forum there, and I couldn't find either build in the pub/engines/ folder at ftp.runrev.com. I use a host that maintains a server farm preconfigured for using the engine (TierraNet.com), but they use BSD so until I get a new build I have to use the old one. Fortunately the old engine handles the basics well for server use so it's not that critical. I've been using Transcript as my language-of-choice on my servers since before RunRev Ltd. was born. It's nice that the world is finally changing so I no longer feel the need to apologize for that choice (remember the '90s when people wrote web apps in C? E). Now Rich, you arent the sort who gets enraged when he sees Grateful Dead stickers on SUVs, right?:-) That one's lost on me. Writing web apps in C is pretty craptastic given its productivity relative to higher-level languages; note that the current buzz is about Ruby on Rails, not C on Rails. ;) While many of my friends love the Dead I don't have any of their albums, and none of their music was written in a strongly-typed compiled language. I own an SUV but mostly for camping; I drive only about once a week or less, and between the metro train and compact fluorescents and other conservation actions I take my personal BTU consumption is far below that of most sedan owners. And neither SUVs nor sedans can be easily configured for CGI use. :\ -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
On 4/8/06 3:15 PM, Marielle Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you could free up some time by spending less time correcting any user who makes valid criticisms on the list? ??? For those interested, here is the list of the 100 most frequent posters on the use-revolution list over the last year (April 05 - March 06) (to view with a monospace font or in excel - separated by tabs). All I can say, Marielle, is you have *WAY* too much time on your hands... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
Mark Schonewille wrote: Richard, Not so long ago, I experimented with running my stacks as little client apps with the engine in the bin folder of Mac OS X. This allows me to run a stack like an application, without building a standalone. Very much like running a Python applet. Have you noticed that this is no longer possible in Rev 2.7? Do you now a workaround? In the olden days (MetaCard and the first few versions of Rev) you could double-click a file and it would run the engine without the IDE, allowing you to preview it similar to how it would be in a standalone. In v2.7 the dev and runtime engines are separate, and I can't get the dev engine to run without an IDE and I can't get the runtime engine to run at all without being bound to an app. I solved this for myself by building a simple stub app instead. Now I can just drop my files onto that and it works a treat. I even added a file association for a unique file type so I can have some stacks that only open in this stub app when double-clicked, so I can run things like my billing timer separate from the IDE I'm likely to restart often while I'm working. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: creating my own tools palette
Thanks, I'll take your advice and study transcript more deeply. Do you think the Software at the Speed of Thought book would help in this regard? Also, could you give specifics as to how one creates a palette in rev? Is it really like creating any other application? Thanks, Oakes From: Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: creating my own tools palette Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:28:20 +0200 Hello Oakes, I made my own tools palette for in the Rev IDE. It contains many small script that I use every day. Since it is for my own use, I didn't add any fancy graphics. Just a few buttons with cryptic names. If you are a true newbie, I'd just start learning the scripting language before trying to make a tools palette. It is nice if you can build an interface with buttons and graphics, but it is useless if you haven't learnt how to bring it alive, yet. Now, if I haven't convinced you yet... Sure, you can use any graphics programme to create icons for your tools palette. Anything from ColorIt! to PhotoShop will do. First set up your tools palette with the buttons and scripts you need. Then design at least two icons for each tool. Save the icons and import them all into the mainstack of your project. Now you can set the icon of each button. Set the hiliteIcon of each button to a slightly darker version of the icon. If you want you can also set the style of a tool to checkbox and use a different icon for the armed state (set the showName to false). That gives a useful effect. That's it. Mark Xeubie Tsu wrote: Hello, I'm new to rev. Could someone let me know how to create my own tools palette with my own custom tools? I imagine I'd need some graphics program to draw the objects and such. Thanks, Oakes -- Consultant and Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.economy-x-talk.com eHUG coordinator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ehug.info Advertise with us and reach 1000 truely interested internet users every month. See http://economy-x-talk.com/advertise.html for more information. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Lynn What is the thinking behind this? I am a little put off by the change. Hypercard had hypertalk, supercard had supertalk, director had lingo and Revolution had Transcript. I love the name transcript. Thank you, P.S. Congratulations on the Rev Media release. Way to go. Tom On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: The language is now Revolution. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd Thomas J McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lazy River Software™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com Lazy River Metal Art™ - http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/metal.html Meeting Wear™ - http://www.cafepress.com/meetingwear Semantic Compaction Systems - http://www.minspeak.com SCIconics, LLC - http://www.sciconics.com/sciindex.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
On Sat Apr 8, 2006, Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com wrote: Mark Schonewille wrote: Not so long ago, I experimented with running my stacks as little client apps with the engine in the bin folder of Mac OS X. This allows me to run a stack like an application, without building a standalone. Very much like running a Python applet. Have you noticed that this is no longer possible in Rev 2.7? Do you now a workaround? In the olden days (MetaCard and the first few versions of Rev) you could double-click a file and it would run the engine without the IDE, allowing you to preview it similar to how it would be in a standalone. In v2.7 the dev and runtime engines are separate, and I can't get the dev engine to run without an IDE and I can't get the runtime engine to run at all without being bound to an app. I solved this for myself by building a simple stub app instead. Now I can just drop my files onto that and it works a treat. (snip). -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal Richard, with 2.7 I use the standalone file to open stacks without the IDE. A couple of weeks ago -when we were discussing player issues on the Metacard list some weeks ago, I had mentioned that it is possible to rename file standalone, i.e adding an .exe extension and even choosing an arbitrary name for the file. Dropping stacks on that player stub starts them without opening the IDE. Works for Revolution and Metacard stacks. What is your solution like? Something similar or diffferent? Regards, -- Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
Wow. I was surprised to see your answer that the scripting language Transcript is being renamed Revolution. How then will it be differentiated from the product? Or won't it? Intriguing. Not criticizing, just wondering and a bit bewildered. This is one of those situations where the lack of differentiation will reinforce the brand. Most new customers wont have any preconceptions based on the language Transcript, but they would if we decided to change the name a year from now. Name changes can be rough, but, almost anyone who would recognize transcript is engaged enough in the community not to be completely confused by this name change. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Runtime Revolution Ships Revolution Media; Announce Revolution Forums
The language is now Revolution. !!! -- Exclamation would actually be a pretty cool name if you think about it :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: creating my own tools palette
Xeubie Tsu wrote: Thanks, I'll take your advice and study transcript more deeply. Do you think the Software at the Speed of Thought book would help in this regard? Also, could you give specifics as to how one creates a palette in rev? Is it really like creating any other application? Pretty much, yes. You create a stack the size you want your palette to be, and put buttons on it with icons. Then you script the buttons to do whatever tasks you want each one to do. Set the style of the stack to palette, or else when you open it, just use this syntax: palette myStack Then the stack opens as a palette and floats on top of any other stacks. You will have to study a little bit about the defaultstack and the topstack because when a palette button issues commands, usually you want the action to happen in a different stack, not in the palette. These commands will direct the action to the stack that should receive it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
Marielle, My name is on that list. Please do not include my comments or name in any of your emails. I know you don't mean anything derogatory by including my name but I still would prefer if you didn't. Thank you, Tom On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:15 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: Richard Gaskin, Apr 1 16:29:40 2005, wrote: with so much client work here I'm finding it increasingly challenging to spend time on Rev tools Maybe you could free up some time by spending less time correcting any user who makes valid criticisms on the list? For those interested, here is the list of the 100 most frequent posters on the use-revolution list over the last year (April 05 - March 06) (to view with a monospace font or in excel - separated by tabs). name#posts over a year graphical representation (| = 10) Richard Gaskin _ 1032 | || Xavier Bury _ 1017 | | Eric Chatonet _ 898 || J. Landman Gay _ 787 || | Mark Wieder _ 783 || Dan Shafer _ 761 || || Ken Ray _ 744 || Alex Tweedly_ 555 Chipp Walters _ 536 || Klaus Major _ 527 | Thomas McGrath III _ 526 | Sarah Reichelt _ 516 David Burgun_ 432 ||| Judy Perry _ 395 Lynch, Jonathan _ 390 ||| Jim Ault_ 370 | Dennis Brown_ 357 Stephen Barncard_ 351 ||| Scott Rossi _ 348 ||| Andre Garzia_ 343 || Jon _ 321 Mark Smith _ 316 Charles Hartman _ 309 ||| Scott Kane _ 272 ||| Sivakatirswami _ 255 || Trevor DeVore _ 249 | David Bovill_ 243 Rob Cozens _ 240 Dar Scott _ 226 ||| Marielle Lange _ 219 || Jim Hurley _ 212 | Dave Cragg _ 189 ||| Peter T. Evensen_ 188 ||| [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ 176 || Bob Hartley _ 173 | Timothy Miller _ 150 ||| Mathewson _ 149 ||| Malte Brill _ 146 ||| Geoff Canyon_ 144 || Mark Talluto_ 144 || Jeanne A. E. DeVoto _ 143 || jbv _ 140 || Frank D. Engel, Jr. _ 134 | Pierre Sahores _ 134 | Garrett Hylltun _ 133 | Devin Asay _ 131 | sims_ 131 | Phil Davis _ 128 | Alejandro Tejada_ 125 | Bill Humphrey _ 119 Robert Brenstein_ 117 Brian Yennie_ 117 Bob Warren _ 112 ||| Mark Swindell _ 100 || Jan Schenkel_ 99 || graham samuel _ 99 || Dom _ 98 || Derek Bump _ 97 || FlexibleLearning_ 97 || Thomas McCarthy _ 93 | Erik Hansen _ 93 | Chris Sheffield _ 93 | Wouter _ 93 | Mark Schonewille_ 92 | Bjönke_von_Gierke _ 92 | Troy Rollins_ 91 | Marty Knapp _ 90 | Ban Nguyen _ 89 | Bill Marriott _ 84 Lynn
Re: Can I read a disk's raw data, like in a hex editor?
As far as I can tell, Rev can't communicate directly with the hard disk without some form of external written to do so. On a slightly related note, I created a library that will create dynamically sized disk images that was to be used with Mark Schonewille's Buttefly project but a known bug in the DOS emulator would corrupt the disk image. - the ghost of sean _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Geoff- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 12:24:12 PM, you wrote: 1. The requirements simply say to display the date -- the date is displayed. If non-modality is needed, that should be in the requirements. ...and conversely if a modal display is desired then that should be spelled out... First you need a clear and complete set of requirements. Note that there is no equivocation there. The requirements must be totally clear, and absolutely complete. The requirements must be such that any reasonably intelligent person can sit down, read them, and then answer _any_ question about what the software is to do. Furthermore, ... I have never seen such requirements, nor really anything close to it, and that's okay. Requirements like that would be exceptionally hard to write, and most people are willing to deal with the issues that come with easier-to-write vague specifications. I have. I had the pleasure of working for a year and a half on a project that spent the first 60% of the sdlc hammering out a requirements document. This was the contract between development and QA - they could each build from the same document and refer to it when conflicts came up. We delivered the product more or less on time, more or less bug-free (nothing major, nothing that you didn't have to go way out of your way to find), and received awards for the finished product. And this was a three-tiered java app with a mainframe backend encrypting financial data across the internet. It *can* be done. And done well. Quoting: Consider these stats : the last three versions of the program -- each 420,000 lines long-had just one error each. The last 11 versions of this software had a total of 17 errors. The part I don't get is: if you have it down to just one bug, how hard is it to find and fix that one bug? ROTFL. The article makes a point of pointing out a certain uniqueness: What makes it remarkable is how well the software works. This software never crashes. It never needs to be re-booted. This software is bug-free. I notice, however, that even with one error in the last version of the software Four identical machines, running identical software, pull information from thousands of sensors, make hundreds of milli-second decisions, vote on every decision, check with each other 250 times a second. A fifth computer, with different software, stands by to take control should the other four malfunction. ...and I love the tagline: The sooner you fall behind, the more time you will have to catch up. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Linux Engine Licensing - Please Read
My end of the conversation dealt with that's already here: Andre and others have server frameworks that run on a license that's free. I mentioned repeatedly to you that the license for faceless use had historically always been free, for more than a decade before RunRev acquired the engine. At that time you didn't ask me for the location of that document, and didn't even cast any doubts about how I described that license, as you did here yesterday. But if you need it now at least you have it. I always assume you are telling me the truth Richard :-) My only question for you was whether RunRev would continue this tradition. I feel it would be as good an idea today as it was when Dr. Raney first came up with it as a way of introducing the language in an interesting space that doesn't impair sales of the GUI product. I still don't have the answer to that question; it's not addressed in the v2.7 license, so for the moment anyone wishing to evangelize Transcript use for servers has to recommend the older engine. The 2.7.x license doesn't reiterate the right to freely use the engine for that purpose, right. I don't want to get into a debate on this, but I want to set expectations that server-side scripting is something that's getting taken very seriously and being planned very carefully when it comes to licensing. A yes or no answer spells out a strategy that Runtime isnt prepared yet to articulate right now. I don't understand: I don't see a BSD or Solaris forum there, and I couldn't find either build in the pub/engines/ folder at ftp.runrev.com. Solaris got tossed in with the other 'nixs on the forum. I use a host that maintains a server farm preconfigured for using the engine (TierraNet.com), but they use BSD so until I get a new build I have to use the old one. Fortunately the old engine handles the basics well for server use so it's not that critical. Okay, that's good. I've been using Transcript as my language-of-choice on my servers since before RunRev Ltd. was born. It's nice that the world is finally changing so I no longer feel the need to apologize for that choice (remember the '90s when people wrote web apps in C? E). Now Rich, you arent the sort who gets enraged when he sees Grateful Dead stickers on SUVs, right?:-) That one's lost on me. Writing web apps in C is pretty craptastic given its productivity relative to higher-level languages; note that the current buzz is about Ruby on Rails, not C on Rails. ;) I wouldn't want to do it. While many of my friends love the Dead I don't have any of their albums, and none of their music was written in a strongly-typed compiled language. Well there's a thought - if musicians wrote code, what would they write in? I own an SUV but mostly for camping; I drive only about once a week or less, and between the metro train and compact fluorescents and other conservation actions I take my personal BTU consumption is far below that of most sedan owners. And neither SUVs nor sedans can be easily configured for CGI use. :\ But this has set you thinking, hasn't it? :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Worldwide Business Operations Runtime Revolution, Ltd ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Garrett- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 1:23:55 PM, you wrote: The thing is, that is not a bug. The programmer did not make any error in his code at all. The code works as it was intended. That's just silly. How do *you* know what was intended? The entire requirements for this app seem to be defined in a three word comment placed in the script. What code would you write given the following requirement? -- display the text -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Ticket#: 2006040510000641] Re: [OT] Articles to read
Thomas McGrath III wrote: Marielle, My name is on that list. Please do not include my comments or name in any of your emails. I know you don't mean anything derogatory by including my name but I still would prefer if you didn't. I know I'm about to probably stir up some real trouble now, but I have to say something to this. Tom, you're saying she can't compliment you? Ask you any questions? Reference anything that you've done that might help another user on the list? Recommend you to someone else on this list as being someone who can help that person? You get my point? Basically, what you said sounds so ignorant that I can't believe you said it. It seems so childish. The thing is that anything and everything you put into a public forum like this no longer is yours to control. You can't ask or tell anyone not to quote you from a public forum , not to mention your name or anything. It's public. Well, you can ask and demand, but nobody has to comply. If you don't want people to even mention you, then remove yourself from the list, turn off your computer, lock your doors, and do not ever communicate with the world again. I'm sure you're right though, I'm sure were not being singled out for something derogatory. It's obvious the intent, which had nothing to do with you. Which adds to your puzzling reply on this. Almost all those names that were listed are the people who are most helpful. Granted, some of them participate in what I call ego-chatter, but even with that, that list represents a lot of good people and I would have assumed that anyone listed would have actually felt complimented by that. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
dogma
Dan- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 11:10:30 AM, you wrote: Wow. I was surprised to see your answer that the scripting language Transcript is being renamed Revolution. How then will it be differentiated from the product? Or won't it? Intriguing. Not criticizing, just wondering and a bit bewildered. Come the Revolution, all handlers and functions must forthwith be named Revolution. All controls must also be named Revolution in order to be recognized by the Revolution language in the Revolution environment. In addition, all custom properties must from now on be named Revolution, i.e., set the Revolution of stack Revolution to Revolution send Revolution to button Revolution put Revolution(Revolution) into field Revolution -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
Mark Wieder wrote: Garrett- Saturday, April 8, 2006, 1:23:55 PM, you wrote: The thing is, that is not a bug. The programmer did not make any error in his code at all. The code works as it was intended. That's just silly. How do *you* know what was intended? The entire requirements for this app seem to be defined in a three word comment [snip] And how do you know? You make assumptions and then layout a plot that in itself is not even related to the code before you, making it more complicated than what it really is, just so you can find a way to back up your stance. But the fact is, there was nothing there to back up your stance. The intent of the code is far too obvious for you or anyone else here to say any different. You can try to deter the attention to the obvious, but that's just not going to cut it. The point was that the program is bug free. And it is. I can understand though that this does not really represent a real world application where there is far more code and more chances of bug getting into the scheme of things, but the fact still remains, the code that was provided is bug free, no if, and, or but about it. You're just upset because your belief that bug free is impossible was shown to be wrong. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
On 09/04/2006, at 6:23, Garrett Hylltun wrote: The thing is, that is not a bug. The programmer did not make any error in his code at all. The code works as it was intended. You could also claim that if a user in Japan downloaded the program and could not read it because it was in English and not Japanese, that he could say that the program has a bug. Or a Linux user downloaded the Windows version, it would not run, so it must be a bug. Your scenario is lacking completely, and rather a petty attempt to push your belief. Garrett Thank you for the ad hominem attack in your last line. Mark has already disposed of your prior argument that there is no bug (programmer's intention) so I will not elaborate on his concise statement. For your further enlightenment here is a set categories of bugs: - Requirements defects - Design defects - Source code defects - User documentation defects - Bad fixes, or secondary defects found in repairs to prior defects [source: Capers-Jones, Applied Software Measurement] Your attempt to dismiss the basis of the single coding example I used seems rather an attempt to avoid the three conclusions I drew. - bugs happen, even when they are sincerely believed not to exist and with the best will in the world, and testing which seemed comprehensive at the time; - money matters in commercial decisions without greed per se being a factor; - the morality of the developer is not questioned by the discovered bug. I will not discuss these further here with you because I see no point to it. I expect that great majority of developers would take these points as self-evident. If you wish to evangelise your position of bug-free heaven where commerce does not exist, write to me privately. Better still, write to someone else. Where you have an actual bug of any category, post it to support or with Revzilla David -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: bugs
On 09/04/2006, at 9:26, Garrett Hylltun wrote: The intent of the code is far too obvious for you or anyone else here to say any different. Ah, the sweetness of certainty; the certainty of not knowing. You're just upset because your belief that bug free is impossible was shown to be wrong. Mark did not put that position so far as I recall. Neither did I. You may recall I have consistently referred to questions of scale. Either attack the correct person, or stop putting up straw men and go back to your contributions to this list. David -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT Comes the Revolution
Comes the revolution! Everything is jake! Comes the revolution- We'll be eating cake! When the streets and rivers run with red, I'll be underneath the bed. And after all their capers Put the foe to rout, I will buy the papers To see how we came out. Comes the revolution- all is jake- And soon we'll be eating cake! -Alexander Throttlebottom, U.S. VP from Let 'Em Eat Cake (1933), by G.S. Kaufman, M. Ryskind and I. Gershwin ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Frequent posters
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Re: Register at Forums to See Everything
Björnke von Gierke wrote: Also note this link: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_id=newposts And this one: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/search.php?search_id=unanswered It's really not necessary to browse trough the whole forum, just to see the newest posts. (These links are almost at the top of the forum index page, to the right) Of course they only work if you sign in... But I never want to see the newest posts. What I *want* is a link that shows me the posts (or at least the forums, and as I enter each individual forum shows me the posts within it) which I haven't read yet.. The link shows posts since last visit - so if I enter the forums, get interrupted by some external event and log out again immediately, then I no longer have any idea which forums/posts I need to go back to. These forum thingies will never take the place of an email list, which provides exactly that functionality so unobtrusively it's easy to forget just how important it is. And, I think the forum doesn't have any way to check for updates (new posts) while you are logged in, unless I've just missed it. Is there a way to do that ? -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release Date: 07/04/2006 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
