Re: Linux deployment . . .
On 29/01/2010 01:55, Sarah Reichelt wrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time, effort and limited resources continuing development of a Linux version ? Count me among them. In the iPadding around thread, you seemed to be in support of RunRev continuing Linux development. But here you say you think they are wasting their time. Confused. I do not think RunRev are wasting their time developing for Linux; far from it. This is a question that is a real question rather than a rhetorical one. When we look at where Linux is being used I see enormous opportunities for specialized apps, even commercial ones, of the vertical sort Rev is ideally suited for. That's interesting. I have never come across any commercial market for Linux apps of the sort that I thought I could create using Rev. Lest we forget, where would we be without publicly-funded software? OS X is BSD at its core, created at publicly-funded UC Berkeley. And the first web browser, Mosaic, which spawned Navigator and ultimately Mozilla's Firefox, began life at the publicly-funded NCSA. I certainly don't expect Linux to go away, but I just don't think it fits well with RunRev. We can't create a browser or an operating system in revTalk. So I am with Richard's statement above (which may not say what he meant it to say) and you can also count me among the people who think RunRev's resources would be better allocated elsewhere. I also feel that it would be more honest of them to admit that Linux is a second-class citizen in the Rev world and does not have all the features of the other platforms. Apart from one post by Richard, every post that I can remember about Rev on Linux has been negative. This is not good for RunRev and not fair to their customers. Well, I for one, have been deploying EFL content and reinforcement standalones across my Ubuntu boxes in my school without a single problem for 5 years. I have nothing negative to say in this respect about RunRev on Linux. My only 'grunt' (and I am repeating myself) is the difficulty end-users have in installing a font on Linux somewhere where RunRev will 'see' it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPadding around?
On 29/01/2010 02:31, Bob Sneidar wrote: As usual I have managed to offend more than one group of people at a time. I don't suppose you know molecular biology too? That would be a double-dipper! ;-) My grand goal in life is to offend ten distinct groups of people in one sentence! Welcome to the club . . . :) Bob On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Bob, Linux has something very big to offer, freedom and source code. Never underestimate the power of that combination. If apple goes the way of the dodo, we're all lost no matter how many developers we get, we don't have the source to Mac OS X or the freedom to change it to suit our needs. Now, if you ask if joe glee-watcher will use linux for those two advantadges, then, the answer is no, he will not, but as long as linux is alive and kicking and getting better everytime, then he has a choice. Linux is about having a choice. Now, on the BeOS front, check out http://haiku-os.org if you feel inclined download the Alpha 1 to run on VMWare or VirtualBox and check the network panel (preflet), I was the coder for that thing! :D Cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] ListMagic 1.1.4 Maintenance update
Thanks Jim. Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-ListMagic-1-1-4-Maintenance-update-tp1394892p1415177.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux deployment . . .
I really hate myself for what I'm about to say On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote: WinMobile is dead I'm going to seem like I enjoy being cussed. I've hated Microsoft for as long as I can remember (because of their attempts to kill all competition). Since OS X 10.1 I deliberately bought, supported and recommended Apple to all and sundry, just to do my bit to keep the competition alive. Among people I know, that's what they buy and what they recommend to others, so I had my small degree of success. However, when it came to buying a mobile phone a couple of years ago I could not bring myself to buy an iPhone. Instead I bought a Windows Mobile phone. I have been very impressed with it (maybe that's because I had such low expectations from MS). But I've not one OS crash in all those years (wish I could say the same for Vista). I have only had to reset it twice. And I never switch it off. That's pretty impressive. Then there's the range of apps I could get for it - there's nothing I wanted that I couldn't find. It provides tethering out of the box. I used to think the most impressive thing MS ever did was the move from Windows 95 to NT. But Windows Mobile also ranks as one of the few things they've done that impressed me. Compared to the Symbian phones I've used, Windows Mobile is out in front. Admittedly it is a HTC phone, and they do 'skin' it to some degree and add some of their own UI features. I might be a bit less impressed without that tweaking. I'm going to be getting a Maemo phone next though. I expect great things from that too. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows title reduced to a single character
Am 29.01.2010 um 00:59 schrieb Sarah Reichelt: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote: ... And yes, I can confirm that the issue definitely still exists in Rev 4.5.0-dp-1 at least under Windows XP. This app that I am working on cannot be released for Windows in it's current state. It may be only cosmetic, but it looks very bad. Cheers, Sarah I can confirm this is still present with Rev 4.5 dp1 on Windows 7! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
I thought, this morning in my bed, at all I had read about the iPad on various forums French and foreign. It appears as a kind of unease, frustration. « Ah! Is that all? », « This already exists », « This is a big iPod Touch », etc. Yet, while basically in agreement with these thoughts, I can not bring myself reduce the subject to an assemblage of technologies already known and some already mastered. In this « thing » I sense something new, I do not know what, I wonder as Gilles Deleuze : « Where is the newness? ». What makes the bicycle a new objet (tool?)? The wheel? No, that existed for a very long time. The saddle? Legacy of the cavalry. The handlebars? The pedals? There is 2 French words for this object: « bicyclette » and « vélo ». The first one addresses the object of a technical (technological?) point of view : is a two-wheeler. The second « vélo » (from « vélocipède ») : go fast with his feet. The « bicyclette » is a technological breakthrough, the result of assembling of technical elements already existing anf already proven as the wheel and the saddle. The « vélo » is a machine (yet the same) that alters our relationship to the territory, which allows us to increase our power (puissance : Nietzschean sense). When the « bicyclette » is an « invention » of more aver the history of mankind, the « vélo » os one of the most amazing inventions of mankind. In the computer world, Apple did not invent the computer, not even the micro-computer while the company was a pioneer in the field. Apple did not invent the technology icons/mouse, nor does the multitouch, but Apple has revolutionized the computer (and not only the micro-computer), inventing some technology but above all by creating new uses in assembling new technologies and linking closely to each other. Macintosh was not the first microcomputer « graphics/mouse », iPod was not the first digital Walkman, iPhone was not the first mobile phone. But, all these devices have radically changed the use to which it had previously. By changing scale, from the iPod Touch to iPad, Apple does, apparently, not a new machine (the same but greater), but create a new use. By removing certain elements : the mouse, the cursor, the distance between the hand and the brain is shortened ; increasing the size of a small fun object (a Walkman after all) our power is increased. The alliance between the hand and the brain is enhanced. The alliance between the hand and the brain is not what characterizes human in the animal kingdom?___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux deployment . . .
Sarah says: Apart from one post by Richard, every post that I can remember about Rev on Linux has been negative. This is not good for RunRev and not fair to their customers. I don't mean to be negative. I like Rev very much, the people have always been very fair and helpful, the list is great. It has its disadvantages for the platform I've chosen to work on, but so does anything, and for what I use it for, its fine, they can be worked around. Its easy to use, and it delivers. For me. But you cannot expect professional developers to tolerate on their main platform what people like us tolerate very cheerfully. The real business strategy issue for Rev in the Linux space is: what about Python? How are we positioned against that? Its not an issue for Windows or Mac. If I were a professional developer on either platform, I'd have no hesitation in choosing Rev over Python. People on this list have sometimes made off-hand negative remarks about WXPython and similar packages - and for Windows or Mac, given the Rev alternatives, they are quite right. When you come to Linux, if you are a professional developer on that platform, well, its not so clear. Is there a market for Linux paid apps? Probably not for the standard desktop type apps, but for very specific ones in industry, may well be. Is there a market for commercial Linux development environments with the host of free ones available? Dunno. I think there may be. You'd have to talk to people who make a living doing development on Linux, for whom Linux is the main platform, not a nice afterthought. Rev has unique advantages. It may be possible for it to become a real contender, with only a bit more polish and feature parity. I may sound harsh sometimes when talking about the feature gap, but am very pleased with Rev in very many ways. And actually grateful to the Rev team for doing as much as they have. Its just that, in terms of business strategy and positioning, I am probably not the one Rev needs to please. Richmond neither. Its the Linux equivalent of Jacque or Daniels Mara, or Trevor DeVore. That's the issue. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Linux-deployment-tp1370414p1415296.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux deployment . . .
I am using it on Linux to do various tasks (check availability of our services, etc, etc, etc...), so I would like RunRev to continue supporting Linux and I (wish to) believe I am not alone with this :-) All the best Viktoras Richmond Mathewson wrote: Here we go again: How many users of this list think that RunRev are wasting their time, effort and limited resources continuing development of a Linux version ? How many people who favour continued Linux development think it might be sensible of RunRev to concentrate their efforts on one 'family' of Linux distros (e.g. Debian derivatives) ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPadding around?
and I hate keyboards, as they tend to get pretty dirty over time and need to be vacuum-cleaned regularly. It is much easier to clean screens as they do not have holes and gaps so inviting for different kinds of stuff to stick in... ;-) Viktoras René Micout wrote: By this point I followed the blog of Sarah : Numbers and Pages will make this a working computer, rather than just a portable communication device. I think that for a working computer the keyboard accessory is necessary (not only accessory ;-) René Le 28 janv. 2010 à 14:26, Thomas McGrath III a écrit : You do not need to add the keyboard dock accessory since it has the almost full size touch keyboard! And trying to push the iPad to be a laptop is not the same thing as either a netbook or a laptop. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPadding around?
The same for me, it is better since I have Mac aluminium keyboard... Le 29 janv. 2010 à 12:41, viktoras d. a écrit : and I hate keyboards, as they tend to get pretty dirty over time and need to be vacuum-cleaned regularly. It is much easier to clean screens as they do not have holes and gaps so inviting for different kinds of stuff to stick in... ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Devawriter
For ALL of you who just cannot stop writing Sanskrit letters home to Mum a new version of Devawriter is available here: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html [Minor update incorporating the defaultFolder stuff discussed in the 'Export Locations' discussion.] sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] tRev video showing greater Rev interoperability
tRev users and watchers, What began as an optimization and bug fix update to tRev ended up with new features. http://reveditor.com/greater-trev-to-rev-interoperability-and-more NEW: - Greater tRev-Rev interoperability: New Mainstack New Substack Open Stack... Open Recent Stack - IDE check box now at top of Stacks column in Object Browser Used for showing Rev IDE and plugin stacks Only shows when Headers, Footers, Tooltips pref is ON Option-click a Browser tab to toggle IDE stacks on or off - When one tab showing, a link to most recent tRev post shows Tooltip indicates date of most recent post or comment to post Prefix to link indicates type of post - Basic tRev API published as a plugin ENHANCED: - tRev Msg Data Broker window in Rev Is now a palette placed at top right top of Rev dock Checking off use me stops using tRev editor/decoder only You can still use all the nice shortcuts, etc. Closing Broker window no longer turns tRev editor/decoder back on - You can no longer open more than one Object Browser - Errors, Definitions, Decoder, var fields Stats fonts now resize FIXED: - Transparent inspection menu shortcut no longer repeats - Handlers in list with handler tags now link properly to handler in code Best, Jerry Daniels The latest Rev Editor Video: http://reveditor.com/write-your-own-plugins-for-trev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPadding around?
no j/k :-) On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Bob, uhuahuaahuhau I am not offended at all!!! Did I sound offended? Sorry, it is 10:40 PM and I am camping at Campus Party IT event with 6.000 geeks who do not take showers and make noise all time, sorry if I sound tired! :D Cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
Hence my statement that the iPad is what the iTouch SHOULD have been from the beginning. But remember back then, it wasn't at all certain if people would adopt a touch only interface en masse. Bob On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:07 AM, René Micout wrote: I thought, this morning in my bed, at all I had read about the iPad on various forums French and foreign. It appears as a kind of unease, frustration. « Ah! Is that all? », « This already exists », « This is a big iPod Touch », etc. Yet, while basically in agreement with these thoughts, I can not bring myself reduce the subject to an assemblage of technologies already known and some already mastered. In this « thing » I sense something new, I do not know what, I wonder as Gilles Deleuze : « Where is the newness? ». What makes the bicycle a new objet (tool?)? The wheel? No, that existed for a very long time. The saddle? Legacy of the cavalry. The handlebars? The pedals? There is 2 French words for this object: « bicyclette » and « vélo ». The first one addresses the object of a technical (technological?) point of view : is a two-wheeler. The second « vélo » (from « vélocipède ») : go fast with his feet. The « bicyclette » is a technological breakthrough, the result of assembling of technical elements already existing anf already proven as the wheel and the saddle. The « vélo » is a machine (yet the same) that alters our relationship to the territory, which allows us to increase our power (puissance : Nietzschean sense). When the « bicyclette » is an « invention » of more aver the history of mankind, the « vélo » os one of the most amazing inventions of mankind. In the computer world, Apple did not invent the computer, not even the micro-computer while the company was a pioneer in the field. Apple did not invent the technology icons/mouse, nor does the multitouch, but Apple has revolutionized the computer (and not only the micro-computer), inventing some technology but above all by creating new uses in assembling new technologies and linking closely to each other. Macintosh was not the first microcomputer « graphics/mouse », iPod was not the first digital Walkman, iPhone was not the first mobile phone. But, all these devices have radically changed the use to which it had previously. By changing scale, from the iPod Touch to iPad, Apple does, apparently, not a new machine (the same but greater), but create a new use. By removing certain elements : the mouse, the cursor, the distance between the hand and the brain is shortened ; increasing the size of a small fun object (a Walkman after all) our power is increased. The alliance between the hand and the brain is enhanced. The alliance between the hand and the brain is not what characterizes human in the animal kingdom?___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hence my statement that the iPad is what the iTouch SHOULD have been from the beginning. But remember back then, it wasn't at all certain if people would adopt a touch only interface en masse. The Apps part of the iPod Touch was a secondary function, that you could pay the extra $20 to get. The main function of the iPod Touch was as a music player, that needed to easily fit into your pocket. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows title reduced to a single character
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Re: Geometry manager
On 20/1/10 22:37, Bob Sneidar wrote: Just to weigh in, the fact that people can write their own scripts to do this should be some indication that a geometry manager CAN work for most things. Off the top of my head, it seems you would want to set and track the following things: My view, when I abandoned the GM (which was admittedly many many many years ago) was that an essential element of any solution is sequence; because element A may need to be positioned relative to element B, which itself depends on element C. While it may be possible to encode this through a pointy-click approach, it is certainly harder to expose (so you might be able to set up a reasonable profile, but you can't subsequently inspect and adjust it). And while the GM might in principle analyse all the settings to calculate the best sequence, I seem to recall observing experimentally that it didn't do so. I also think some of the issues round the GM were due to user error, which I would naturally recast as a failure of documentation and explication: that is, the GM encourages you to think that you could use a pane of the property inspector on an object in a pointy-clicky way, and then you were done; whereas in fact as development progressed you probably needed to type some magic command (revCacheGeometry) into the message box at certain critical moments to avoid misery. But most of all I decided (interestingly this is parallel to the objection many of my colleagues have to HC/Rev generally) that the pointy-clicky GM was too obscure, and it was too hard to find get an overview of what was going on. I make mistakes, and I need to able to go back later, see what I did, and change it. Geometry management isn't really about the individual controls (beyond the simple cases) - so it turns out to be unhelpful to have to set it, and only be able to inspect it, control by control. On 20/1/10 19:51, Richard Gaskin wrote: PS: a real time-saver for me in writing resizeStack handlers has been this SetRect command: My slightly different approach is a couple of ugly commands adjustObjectPosn and adjustObjectRect (below), which allow the layout of a bunch of controls to be described like this: on resizeCard adjustObjectRect grc, TabBacker, this card, , -,-,R+1,- adjustObjectRect fld, Report, this card, , -,-,R-20,B-40 adjustObjectRect fld, FTPlog, this card, , -,-,R-20,B-40 adjustObjectPosn grp, FTPlogCons, fld, Report, L,B+6,-,- adjustObjectPosn btn, ToggleWrap, fld, Report, -,B+6,R,- adjustObjectRect fld, FTPprogFld, btn, ToggleWrap, -,-,L-2,- end resizeCard That is, the commands let you set the position or rectangle of one control, relative to another control or the card, by specifying new values for any/all of the four edges those specifications in the form of expressions which can include the loc (X, Y), dimensions (W, H), or rect (L,T,R,B) of the reference control. I'm sure more thought could make this mechanism a bit less ugly! And the reference control and set of expressions could be stored as properties of the subject control - which of course is approximately what the GM does. In some ways the GM is more flexible (you can use different reference controls for different edges, whereas in my model this requires two lines); in others perhaps less so (only dynamic options is a percentage of the parent dimension). But for me the key thing that makes this better is having an overview of all the layout decisions in one place - and understanding the sequence of changes. So in the above example, the field Report has its bottom right corner adjusted relative to the card; then the group FTPlogCons and button ToggleWrap are adjusted relative to that field. Perhaps it's possible that there could be a perfect union: the above could obviously be represented purely declaratively. If the Geometry pane of the Property Inspector wrote it's data, not into a property of the object, but of the card, in an inspectable format, which also allowed the sequence to be adjusted, there may be no reason why a single built-in mechanism wouldn't suffice. (But I'm not really sure about how we handle placed groups... which is why at some level you have to say this is a developer product, and developers need to take control of their work.) Ben on adjustObjectPosn tDstType, tDstName, tSrcType, tSrcName, tDeltas local tDim, X, Y, W, H, L, R, T, B, tEdge if tSrcName empty then put space quote tSrcName quote \ after tSrcType -- allow us to use type of this card -- set up the variables X, Y, W, H, L, R, T, B get 0 -- explicit vars parsing error do (get the loc of tSrcType) put item 1 of it into X put item 2 of it into Y repeat for each word tDim in Left Top Right Bottom Width Height do (put the tDim of tSrcType into char 1 of tDim) end repeat repeat with i = 1 to 4 get item i of tDeltas if it - then put word i of left top right bottom into
Re: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
And the video player? That wasn't secondary it was primary. The iTouch was not just about music it was about having an iPhone without the phone part. Otherwise there were cheaper iPods that performed the primary function of playing music just as well. The trouble was, it (and the iPhone IMHO) was just to freaking small to watch anything, never mind watch anything WITH someone else. But this is all my way of seeing the world, and besides me the number of people who agree with me is... crickets ok well I'm the only one. :-) I wonder if there are any plans to put a phone in the iPads? LOL! Bob On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hence my statement that the iPad is what the iTouch SHOULD have been from the beginning. But remember back then, it wasn't at all certain if people would adopt a touch only interface en masse. The Apps part of the iPod Touch was a secondary function, that you could pay the extra $20 to get. The main function of the iPod Touch was as a music player, that needed to easily fit into your pocket. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: And the video player? That wasn't secondary it was primary. I agree with that, and it is a lacking aspect of the iPod Touch, other than the fact that it has a TV out option. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Geometry manager
I think this is why any serious GM needs to have the ability to adjust an objects properties relative to another object. So that in a group, the objects would resize relative to the group as a whole, and the group would adjust relative to the card etc. But I agree to do this right would take an incredible amount of thought, and in the end would still only work for certain situations. It just seems to me that a basic ability to resize a card and have objects grow relative to that (including font sizes) should not be that hard. Perhaps in the future another universal property of objects called scale could be added so that an object would draw to whatever the scale for that object was. Bob On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: (But I'm not really sure about how we handle placed groups... which is why at some level you have to say this is a developer product, and developers need to take control of their work.) Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Geometry manager
Ben Rubinstein wrote: On 20/1/10 19:51, Richard Gaskin wrote: PS: a real time-saver for me in writing resizeStack handlers has been this SetRect command: My slightly different approach is a couple of ugly commands adjustObjectPosn and adjustObjectRect (below), which allow the layout of a bunch of controls to be described like this: on resizeCard adjustObjectRect grc, TabBacker, this card, , -,-,R+1,- adjustObjectRect fld, Report, this card, , -,-,R-20,B-40 adjustObjectRect fld, FTPlog, this card, , -,-,R-20,B-40 adjustObjectPosn grp, FTPlogCons, fld, Report, L,B+6,-,- adjustObjectPosn btn, ToggleWrap, fld, Report, -,B+6,R,- adjustObjectRect fld, FTPprogFld, btn, ToggleWrap, -,-,L-2,- end resizeCard That is, the commands let you set the position or rectangle of one control, relative to another control or the card, by specifying new values for any/all of the four edges those specifications in the form of expressions which can include the loc (X, Y), dimensions (W, H), or rect (L,T,R,B) of the reference control. Nicely done, Ben. Very useful for a great many circumstances. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: The trouble was, it (and the iPhone IMHO) was just to freaking small to watch anything, never mind watch anything WITH someone else. I often watch videos on my iPhone when I'm traveling or hanging around on the couch. It is also great for keeping kids quiet and occupied at restaurants between the time when they finish eating and you are actually ready to leave :-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPadding around?
I think RunRev needs to make more of an effort to keep the Linux version in line with the others, or it should be dropped completely. Yes, agreed, this was a well balanced and reasonable approach to the issue. I would take issue a bit with some of the remarks by others on this thread about Linux being in limbo regarding developers. There are 20-30,000 packages available in the Debian repositories. There is no lack of developers. Of course, their problem is, their work is being given away. It is true that Linux is lacking some way of getting cash into the application development process. That said, I have been impressed and touched by the way when you write to a developer of a package, or even the packager, you get instant and very helpful support. It is most impressive. Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/iPadding-around-tp1311945p1421385.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ipad, the hand and the brain (iPadding around suite)
I wonder if being 54 with failing eyesight has anything to do with my perspective? ;-) Bob On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: The trouble was, it (and the iPhone IMHO) was just to freaking small to watch anything, never mind watch anything WITH someone else. I often watch videos on my iPhone when I'm traveling or hanging around on the couch. It is also great for keeping kids quiet and occupied at restaurants between the time when they finish eating and you are actually ready to leave :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows title reduced to a single character
I'd be happy to help. Bernard On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Shao Sean shaos...@wehostmacs.com wrote: Anyone willing to test out an external if I build one? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Setting the blendLevel of BGColor with no color...???
Hi All... I'm guessing you shouldn't be able to do this: on MouseDown if the backgroundcolor of me is then set the backgroundcolor of me to blue set the ink of me to blend set the blendLevel of me to 50 else set the backgroundcolor of me to set the ink of me to blend set the blendLevel of me to 100 end if end mouseDown This works fine with a series of rectangle graphics. Setting the backgroundColor to results in a transparent rectangle but still containing an Opaque qualities. (However still couldn't get them to change while mouse down and dragging...but I digress...) However, when you try to control the blendlevel of colored rectangles with a scrollbar the rectangles with their backgroundColor set to turn white. I was hoping I could still preserve the transparency and keep the rectangle grcs opaque. (I need to the user to be able click on them to either colorize or remove color with a click.) Here's my scrollbar: on mouseStillDown put the number of grcs of group grid - 1 into ModTransparency put 1 into X repeat ModTransparency set the blendLevel of grc (rectangleX) to ThumbPosition of me add 1 to X end repeat put the thumbPosition of me end mouseStillDown Is setting the bgcolor of a grc to not really something that is supposed to result in a transparent grc with an opaque setting of true? Thanks! John Patten ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sqlToga Help
Hi all. Could anyone interested in helping me with sqlYoga contact me off list? I am at the point where I need to start getting information from my database, and not normal information either. I need to get table schemas in the process of copying some of the fields from one table in one database to another in another database. I could do this using the rev commands and functions, but I really want to try to use sqlYoga for everything, and I hate bothering Trevor about how-to's. Bob___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting the blendLevel of BGColor with no color...???
2010/1/29 John Patten johnpat...@mac.com: Hi All... I'm guessing you shouldn't be able to do this: on MouseDown if the backgroundcolor of me is then set the backgroundcolor of me to blue set the ink of me to blend set the blendLevel of me to 50 else set the backgroundcolor of me to set the ink of me to blend set the blendLevel of me to 100 end if end mouseDown This works fine with a series of rectangle graphics. Setting the backgroundColor to results in a transparent rectangle but still containing an Opaque qualities. (However still couldn't get them to change while mouse down and dragging...but I digress...) However, when you try to control the blendlevel of colored rectangles with a scrollbar the rectangles with their backgroundColor set to turn white. I was hoping I could still preserve the transparency and keep the rectangle grcs opaque. (I need to the user to be able click on them to either colorize or remove color with a click.) Here's my scrollbar: on mouseStillDown put the number of grcs of group grid - 1 into ModTransparency put 1 into X repeat ModTransparency set the blendLevel of grc (rectangleX) to ThumbPosition of me add 1 to X end repeat put the thumbPosition of me end mouseStillDown Is setting the bgcolor of a grc to not really something that is supposed to result in a transparent grc with an opaque setting of true? Hi John, If you set the background color of an object to empty it will removes its color, but it will not be transparent. Check your docs: you can also set the background color of an object to transparent. Set an objet to no color is different than set an object to transparent. To check you can put the color define for your rectangle into an answer box: - nothing for empty - or transparent Try to set your rectangles to transparent, it could be solve your problem. HTH -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting the blendLevel of BGColor with no color...???
John, maybe you could describe a bit more what you're trying to accomplish. If you're just trying to change the blendlevel of a bunch of graphics using a scrollbar, this is one way (using a scrollbar whose startValue = 0 and endValue = 100): on scrollbarDrag N lock screen repeat with G = 1 to number of grcs of grp grid set blendLevel of grc G of grp grid to N end repeat unlock screen end scrollbarDrag Note that setting the backgroundColor of something to empty means it will inherit the backgroundColor of the card (which in turn will inherit the backgroundColor of the stack if the card has no color assigned). Please provide some more details if you're trying to do something else. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design Recently, John Patten wrote: Hi All... I'm guessing you shouldn't be able to do this: on MouseDown if the backgroundcolor of me is then set the backgroundcolor of me to blue set the ink of me to blend set the blendLevel of me to 50 else set the backgroundcolor of me to set the ink of me to blend set the blendLevel of me to 100 end if end mouseDown This works fine with a series of rectangle graphics. Setting the backgroundColor to results in a transparent rectangle but still containing an Opaque qualities. (However still couldn't get them to change while mouse down and dragging...but I digress...) However, when you try to control the blendlevel of colored rectangles with a scrollbar the rectangles with their backgroundColor set to turn white. I was hoping I could still preserve the transparency and keep the rectangle grcs opaque. (I need to the user to be able click on them to either colorize or remove color with a click.) Here's my scrollbar: on mouseStillDown put the number of grcs of group grid - 1 into ModTransparency put 1 into X repeat ModTransparency set the blendLevel of grc (rectangleX) to ThumbPosition of me add 1 to X end repeat put the thumbPosition of me end mouseStillDown Is setting the bgcolor of a grc to not really something that is supposed to result in a transparent grc with an opaque setting of true? Thanks! John Patten ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MS Word document export
Maybe I am doing something wrong (but it is so simple, how could I?), but I am not seeing any output. I import a file (e.g. a text file) and I try to export it as a Word file (.doc). Nothing is created! I am on OS X 10.4.11 using Rev 4.0. On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:52 PM, François Chaplais wrote: rev online is back. The stack is Textutil in the Text category. Works really cool I tested Doc (basic text) and webarchive import. The text is there. The links in the webarchive are lost, but h**l, it's a freebie! Le 28 janv. 2010 à 19:11, stephen barncard a écrit : The shell is your friend. Check out textutil in the shell. (man textutil) Mac OSX 10.4. and onward has document conversion routines built into the system. RTF, HTML, DOC, DOCX, WEBARCHIVE, ODT are some of the formats. Someone (please identify one's self in one's demo stacks!) has uploaded to REV ONLINE a very simple stack that demonstrates conversion to- from various text formats using shell calls. However, REV ONLINE, one of the most difficult to navigate and unresponsive parts of the IDE, is completely down today. Contact me offline if you really need the stack, the author has indicated he's giving it freely. However, the calls are so simple and well documented that it could be a good exercise in getting a shell call to work for you, just using the documentation. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 27 January 2010 20:44, dr.alist...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Curry, I'd be interested in having a look at the beta of the word export. I am currently using merge() to create reports for an application that I am working on. A library to do this sort of stuff sounds like a really useful tool. I would like to use OpenOffice, by preference, so I'm interested in that too. Apart from trying it out, will I be bale to look at how you are writing the library. I'm not a very good programmer but if I can help I'd like to. cheers Alistair Campbell dr.alist...@gmail.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
I have an app that uses an InetBrowser stack. It¹s pretty much as it came. Any changes are subtle. I¹ve been using this for a while now, but recently I wanted to use the browser to view a pdf stored in the app¹s directories. A url similar to this is used: file:///Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf file://Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf works too. The problem is that when I quit the app, if there is one of these file:// addresses in the InetBrowser window, I am presented with the Mac Blue Screen of (temporary) Death. If I manually close the browser window or if I go to an http:// address first, the quit happens okay, but this app can have a lot of windows open at once and I don¹t want to require clean up moves from the user. Any ideas? -- Alex Adams hawkVision tools for solving Wicked Problems (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. 831-726-8013 a...@a2tecnology.com www.a2technology.com www.promisstudio.com universalconnector.wordpress.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Help!?! Global GameJam
Hi - I've roped my self into Global Game Jam http://www.globalgamejam.org/- 48 hours to build a game with a group of people you've never met with nearly 140 different physical locations all round the world. Naturally thinking of using Rev - but will need to work with the other team members most of whom are C++ / C# and Flash ActionScript developers. Can someone advise on the latest in terms of Flash / Rev integration - either via QuickTime or embedded browser? How can I get the communication going? AFAIK the interactivity and playback with QuickTime was only with early versions of Flash? With the latest and greatest is there any technique that is easy to implement in this short time scale? Or should I give up on that one and get more sleep :) I'm thinking next year it would be a great place to market RunRev cross platform rapid development capabilities! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen
I see after further investigation that when a pdf is loaded, browser doesn't seem to know when the load is finished. The little process icon never stops. It doesn't matter whether the file is accessed via file:/ or http:/, it behaves the same way. -- Alex Adams hawkVision tools for solving Wicked Problems (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. 831-726-8013 a...@a2tecnology.com www.a2technology.com www.promisstudio.com universalconnector.wordpress.com From: Alex Adams a...@a2technology.com Reply-To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:28:18 -0800 To: Revolution Mail List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: InetBrowser and the Mac Blue Screen I have an app that uses an InetBrowser stack. It¹s pretty much as it came. Any changes are subtle. I¹ve been using this for a while now, but recently I wanted to use the browser to view a pdf stored in the app¹s directories. A url similar to this is used: file:///Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf file://Users/Alex/Desktop/hawkVisionUCSC/CSPDraft-100109.pdf works too. The problem is that when I quit the app, if there is one of these file:// addresses in the InetBrowser window, I am presented with the Mac Blue Screen of (temporary) Death. If I manually close the browser window or if I go to an http:// address first, the quit happens okay, but this app can have a lot of windows open at once and I don¹t want to require clean up moves from the user. Any ideas? -- Alex Adams hawkVision tools for solving Wicked Problems (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc. 831-726-8013 a...@a2tecnology.com www.a2technology.com www.promisstudio.com universalconnector.wordpress.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help!?! Global GameJam
David, About a year and a half ago, Apple removed all support for Flash tracks in QT movies. So a browser is the only way to go. Cheers, Josh On Jan 29, 2010, at 5:52 PM, David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv wrote: Hi - I've roped my self into Global Game Jam http://www.globalgamejam.org/- 48 hours to build a game with a group of people you've never met with nearly 140 different physical locations all round the world. Naturally thinking of using Rev - but will need to work with the other team members most of whom are C++ / C# and Flash ActionScript developers. Can someone advise on the latest in terms of Flash / Rev integration - either via QuickTime or embedded browser? How can I get the communication going? AFAIK the interactivity and playback with QuickTime was only with early versions of Flash? With the latest and greatest is there any technique that is easy to implement in this short time scale? Or should I give up on that one and get more sleep :) I'm thinking next year it would be a great place to market RunRev cross platform rapid development capabilities! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Help!?! Global GameJam
Recently, David Bovill wrote: Can someone advise on the latest in terms of Flash / Rev integration - either via QuickTime or embedded browser? How can I get the communication going? As Josh mentioned, Flash doesn't play with QuickTime anymore; revBrowser is your only option. But then one would have to ask, why use Rev at all? Since Flash is an interactive platform, layering Rev on top of it doesn't add anything. It seems you'd be better off producing something natively in Rev, but I'm guessing you'll be hard pressed to find other game developers using Rev. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Geometry manager
I do. I've found it to be a bit touchy in development but no problems at all in the compiled applications. One thing I noticed is if you have lots of objects on the screen it makes a huge difference what layer the object is if you use relative object positions (i.e. place one object in relation with another). Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:27 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Is anyone using the geometry manager in commercial stacks? Do you find it reliable? I confess that I haven't experimented with it much, I've always written my own resize scripts. But I'm in a position now where I need to make several large stacks with many objects into resizeable windows, and I'm wondering if using the manager would be faster than writing all that code. Any thoughts? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
you want big cursors, we got big cursors (for mac os x)
thanks to malte, trevor and tereza i have managed to get the cocoa-in- carbon stuff to work and am starting to play around with it and here is a quick peek at the second thing i am working on.. http://shaosean.tk/images/rnd_bigcursor.png that big blue arrow cursor is a PNG file with transparency and it does click.. you can use any image on disk as a cursor and set the hot point (the coordinates that do the clicking).. -Sean ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
